EPTPrize money in Starcraft 2 - Page 75
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Satiinifi
Finland192 Posts
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Thebbeuttiffulland
Brazil288 Posts
On November 03 2011 19:36 Satiinifi wrote: Sent message to mr Shawn esl admin about wc3 enc 2010 prizes some days ago, no asnwer surprise surprise! Apparently 18months isnt enought time for esl to pay up. lol sending messages after 18 months seriously? | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
ESL is not behaving correctly.. | ||
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JackDragon
525 Posts
On November 03 2011 04:52 mcc wrote: Lol, you are comparing IPL2 which was long time ago and not paid everything yet (though they are still within reasonable time) and ESWC that ended like 10 days ago. Are you surprised that ESWC people are annoyed when they are mentioned in close proximity of organizations that did not pay for multiple months and how it is actually putting them in bad light by guilt by association. Multiple people in this thread were already convinced by ClouD's unintentional (I believe) association. He should have at least been smart enough to format his post so that offenders are separated clearly from others that he just has some unfounded fears about. The whole situation is ridiculous. People are actually surprised that ESWC would consider not inviting ClouD again ? So if my payday at work is 15th of the next month and on the 5th I start publicly naming my previous employers and how they were not paying me months after they were supposed to and in the same sentence I name my current employer that he did not pay me yet and that noone contacted me about my pay this month you would all be surprised if my employer would consider firing me ? Also why would they contact me about my pay when it is due on 15th, there is no trouble with paying me on 15th and they have my contact info if they need something from me ? I do not expect people who have some obligations toward me to contact me and assure me that they are going to pay before the actual due date. If they do not pay at that time then I expect them to contact me with explanations. This thread is perfect example how perfectly good point that ClouD actually had (apart of his unfortunate associations) is misused by an angry uninformed mob. That is a compleatly different thing. the problem for the player is that they don't KNOW or have been told when they will get paid, which is half of the problem. You can't compare a employment to a tournament prize, that is stupid. You have a contract with your employer, but the players do not have one with the tournaments. Most tournaments mentioned don't have "you will be paid on this day", nor do they have your contact info (bank paypal etc.). But they need to get this afterwards to be able to pay out, and you would think that it would be simple to get while they still are at the even. Hell, why not after your last game, if not before the tournament begins? | ||
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Deimos0
Poland277 Posts
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zeru
8156 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
If they dont pay you in 1 week, write a mail. If they dont pay you in 1 month write a mail that you do follow steps in 2 weeks a) get in contact with there main sponsors b) sue them c) public that they dont pay I understand you are afraid to mess with them but if you dont fight they think they get away with it. If i were you guys, i would open a blacklist long time ago. e.g. : green : paid in time , yellow paid late, red never paid if you link them this public list in the first mail i bet you they will pay much faster. | ||
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Serashin
235 Posts
step 2 find some willing to start that step 3 contracts contracts contracts step 4 filter non trustworthy tournaments ( ESL biggest unprofessional organisation of all not just about payments allot of players know what im talking about , note : ESL is the only organisation wich requires premium accounts i/e payment to sign up for events in EU . the only equal in that metter is Dreamhack wich seems to have paid but ESL 1 year + no reason that this organistion should stay alive ) step 5 profit | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
@ contract thing: If they announce price money tournaments with a rule set, you have a contract with them in the second you sign up for the tournament and they list you in the bracket. You agree that you will play in there tournament, they agree that they pay you if you win. So both site made a business offer and both site agreed. That is all you need for a contract no need for a piece of paper. | ||
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Loooui
Sweden348 Posts
As a fellow journalist here in Sweden, I would be all over this. For example interview ESL press contacts and try to talk with the players if it happened here, and investigate it further. Most companies cannot expect to do this kind of thing without being held accountable. But since most of the mainstream press dosn´t know much about e-sports they seem to get away with it. | ||
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Grettin
42416 Posts
On November 03 2011 19:00 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote: no he plays for them for free :D Just FYI, it's not uncommon that teams/players doesn't receive salary at all or nothing fancy. They might just be in the team for the support, i.e flights to tournaments. On November 03 2011 19:49 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote: lol sending messages after 18 months seriously? Common sense would tell you that OF COURSE he has messaged/contacted them already. Why would you even think otherwise? -_- | ||
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Thebbeuttiffulland
Brazil288 Posts
On November 03 2011 21:34 Grettin wrote: Just FYI, it's not uncommon that teams/players doesn't receive salary at all or nothing fancy. They might just be in the team for the support, i.e flights to tournaments. Common sense would tell you that OF COURSE he has messaged/contacted them already. Why would you even think otherwise? -_- what i ment is if someone doesnt pay you for 18 months they are obviously not going to pay now | ||
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Grettin
42416 Posts
On November 03 2011 22:12 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote: what i ment is if someone doesnt pay you for 18 months they are obviously not going to pay now Very likely but i guess it doesn't hurt to message them after years/months. Especially now, when organisations/tournaments like these should be put to a bad spotlight. (sorry that i understood you wrong) | ||
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Grubby
Netherlands318 Posts
On November 03 2011 22:12 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote: what i ment is if someone doesnt pay you for 18 months they are obviously not going to pay now That's not true, I got paid in 2010 for IEM 2007, about 3 years after I got 3rd in it. TT | ||
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naut1c
Austria100 Posts
If you need 2 months to pay, thats another thing, but you should at least contact right after the event, and tell the players how long they have to wait | ||
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Grettin
42416 Posts
On November 03 2011 22:16 Grubby wrote: That's not true, I got paid in 2010 for IEM 2007, about 3 years after I got 3rd in it. TT Thats pretty ridiculous, three years... May i ask what was the reason? They forgot? | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On November 03 2011 20:45 Serashin wrote: ESL is the only organisation wich requires premium accounts i/e payment to sign up for events in EU . the only equal in that metter is Dreamhack wich seems to have paid but ESL 1 year + no reason that this organistion should stay alive All mayor tournaments require for players to buy in.. MLG (player passes - enough to cover regular season price pool ^^  , NASL(open tournament qualifiers), IPL (open torunament qualifiers), ESL (the need of premium - havent check on that), DH (player passes)... and in some non-direct way TL (need to buy stupid NA account to play  jk) | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
On November 03 2011 22:45 Frankon wrote: All mayor tournaments require for players to buy in.. MLG (player passes - enough to cover regular season price pool ^^ , NASL(open tournament qualifiers), IPL (open torunament qualifiers), ESL (the need of premium - havent check on that), DH (player passes)... and in some non-direct way TL (need to buy stupid NA account to play jk)You don't need premium for the large ESL events such as Intel Extreme Masters. | ||
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wideye
United States209 Posts
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