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Kefka.dancingmad
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada262 Posts
November 02 2011 21:37 GMT
#1461
this is ridiculous, even i encounter this, it's all too common...what a shame.
xi Tempest x
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland340 Posts
November 02 2011 21:49 GMT
#1462
On November 03 2011 04:08 Socke wrote:
im still waiting for more than 15600€ in total at the moment. im quite sure ill get the prizemoney
with the exception of these 3 tournaments though.
DSRACK Lan 400€ im quite sure by now not to ever see the money.

for DH Cointoss Tournament 10.000 SEK ~1100€ and ESL Torneo Campus Party 2000€ i think its not too unlikely that ill get it.

so if anyone has an idea on how to get payment from these events, feel free to pm me :D




Do you get a salary from aTn? 15600 is a lot of money :O
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 22:58:41
November 02 2011 22:57 GMT
#1463
I, like many others here, have the same opinion, in that a tournament organizer needs to show integrity and transparity regarding payments to players and rules, respectively. If a TO fails to do so, their reputation as a reputable league or series is tarnished, and eventually, players will simply blacklist that specific Tournament, even if privately. The consequences are clear, and the solution is clear. Why any TO would withhold payment, or run a tournament without previously securing funding, is simply beyond me, other than they have cash flow problems (excess spending, awaiting future sponsorship cheques, etc) in which case the Organizer should not be considering a tournament, but more should be considering bankruptcy or closure.
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 02 2011 22:59 GMT
#1464
On November 03 2011 06:49 xi Tempest x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 04:08 Socke wrote:
im still waiting for more than 15600€ in total at the moment. im quite sure ill get the prizemoney
with the exception of these 3 tournaments though.
DSRACK Lan 400€ im quite sure by now not to ever see the money.

for DH Cointoss Tournament 10.000 SEK ~1100€ and ESL Torneo Campus Party 2000€ i think its not too unlikely that ill get it.

so if anyone has an idea on how to get payment from these events, feel free to pm me :D




Do you get a salary from aTn? 15600 is a lot of money :O



DSRACK LAN never paid out the CoD4 people, so i doubt you'll ever get your money unfortunatly
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
November 02 2011 23:26 GMT
#1465
On November 02 2011 03:19 ThaZenith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 03:15 Larryx wrote:


And about sotg, dont get me wrong. I love the show, its freaking hilarious but sometimes my ears are hurt when artosis claims that he is never wrong and gsl is from another planet and nobody can beat a code s player. Also statements that u can't be big unless u spend in korea long amount of time is bullshit too.


Pretty sure near 100% of the top foreigners that win events have spent time in Korea.

And yes, it's BM.


It's a bit off topic, but the last IPL and ESWC champion didn't spend any time in Korea. I think "spending time in Korea" is a bit overrated even if it is still mostly a good way to improve...
[uci] Fizik
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States263 Posts
November 02 2011 23:32 GMT
#1466
I have 3.00$ on playhem from scoring 2nd place in a plat tournament. Imma be so mad if they dont pay out! (lol not really) but serious issues with these tournaments not paying out promptly, I can understand requiring the paperwork time but seriously don't ruin esports by not paying out ASAP.
Liquid'HerO fan for LIFE.
xilaratu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States233 Posts
November 02 2011 23:37 GMT
#1467
On November 03 2011 08:32 [uci] Fizik wrote:
I have 3.00$ on playhem from scoring 2nd place in a plat tournament. Imma be so mad if they dont pay out! (lol not really) but serious issues with these tournaments not paying out promptly, I can understand requiring the paperwork time but seriously don't ruin esports by not paying out ASAP.


I think we played in a playhem once. Don't remember who won but hey xD
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 03:22:32
November 03 2011 02:13 GMT
#1468
The sad about it is, that this is known so fucking long. And Cloud has the balls that all others dont had. This makes me really sad, cause all other ProGamers just didnt want to say something. And so you help active to let this System alive. I hope ProGamers take their Power and just say "NO" to tournaments that do not pay.

I followed cloud and i didnt enjoy his play, i thought he is just overrated as demuslim in his german times. You have now a big fan cloud cause you are the only one who had the balls.

ps: Props to all ProGamers who said here something but many still dont say anything in public. So i think most are fine with it. And btw, ESL say always they pay late. So just bagging them for paying late is one point but they still pay. And they do more then just SC2. So keep this in mind please. And they have to work with the money the have. Its not like MLG
"Well we are out of money"
"What to do?"
"New Venture Capital!"
"Yeah good idea!"
"What if we cant find sb?"
"Well we are out"

...and i hope most people know what venture capital means. People spend money in an idea to get later money out of it. How long does mlg exist? And how long are they just alive cause of venture money? And i hope the investors will not take the usual way. Stopping moneylof and just sell everything out what they control of MLG and try to get some money back.

I know where i am so myb not all will understand my point. But well...



SKinuh
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany91 Posts
November 03 2011 02:32 GMT
#1469
waiting for about 900euro from the esl too :D
Team Acer // @inuh_ on twitter
DeMusliM
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom401 Posts
November 03 2011 09:10 GMT
#1470
Still waiting for quite alot from ESL too :S - Even from before i broke my arm.
Tabula`Rasa
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore81 Posts
November 03 2011 09:17 GMT
#1471
There needs to be a players' union, not KeSPA, but a players' union, comprised of and managed by player elected representatives. Then less of this will happen, imo.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
November 03 2011 09:28 GMT
#1472
KESPA started off as a player's union if the historiography I been reading is correct.
Thank God and gunrun.
Titio
Profile Joined August 2010
France237 Posts
November 03 2011 09:57 GMT
#1473

ps: Props to all ProGamers who said here something but many still dont say anything in public. So i think most are fine with it. And btw, ESL say always they pay late. So just bagging them for paying late is one point but they still pay. And they do more then just SC2. So keep this in mind please. And they have to work with the money the have. Its not like MLG
"Well we are out of money"
"What to do?"
"New Venture Capital!"
"Yeah good idea!"
"What if we cant find sb?"
"Well we are out"

...and i hope most people know what venture capital means. People spend money in an idea to get later money out of it. How long does mlg exist? And how long are they just alive cause of venture money? And i hope the investors will not take the usual way. Stopping moneylof and just sell everything out what they control of MLG and try to get some money back.

I know where i am so myb not all will understand my point. But well...




MLG has raised a lot of money over the past years, but I believe they already are cash-flow positive (or not far from it at least). They generate a lot of cash with the huge venues and sponsorship/clientship they attract. ; they've managed to sell the images as well for a while now (something not all events achieve).

Venture money is not a bad thing. The fact that investors plan on a successful exit (i.e, getting more money than they invested) is logical and a good point: it boosts the company in the right way, so they get higher revenues. In this case, e-sports cash prizes are just a very small amount of the events MLG organizes, I'd be surprised they don't pay them in time.

...And FYI, ESL also raised venture money twice, a little less than MLG, but still over $10m.
Thebbeuttiffulland
Profile Joined October 2011
Brazil288 Posts
November 03 2011 10:00 GMT
#1474
On November 03 2011 06:49 xi Tempest x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 04:08 Socke wrote:
im still waiting for more than 15600€ in total at the moment. im quite sure ill get the prizemoney
with the exception of these 3 tournaments though.
DSRACK Lan 400€ im quite sure by now not to ever see the money.

for DH Cointoss Tournament 10.000 SEK ~1100€ and ESL Torneo Campus Party 2000€ i think its not too unlikely that ill get it.

so if anyone has an idea on how to get payment from these events, feel free to pm me :D




Do you get a salary from aTn? 15600 is a lot of money :O

no he plays for them for free :D
truth is out there
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 03 2011 10:02 GMT
#1475
On November 03 2011 04:08 Socke wrote:
im still waiting for more than 15600€ in total at the moment. im quite sure ill get the prizemoney
with the exception of these 3 tournaments though.
DSRACK Lan 400€ im quite sure by now not to ever see the money.

for DH Cointoss Tournament 10.000 SEK ~1100€ and ESL Torneo Campus Party 2000€ i think its not too unlikely that ill get it.

so if anyone has an idea on how to get payment from these events, feel free to pm me :D



I am surprised to see Dreamhack's name up there, considering that they are supposed to be the premier tournament organiser in europe, and the european hope for stepping up to MLG! (even though I think Europe has the better players, I admit that NA still has the best tournaments by far)
Loooui
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden348 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 10:11:30
November 03 2011 10:10 GMT
#1476
On November 03 2011 19:02 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 04:08 Socke wrote:
im still waiting for more than 15600€ in total at the moment. im quite sure ill get the prizemoney
with the exception of these 3 tournaments though.
DSRACK Lan 400€ im quite sure by now not to ever see the money.

for DH Cointoss Tournament 10.000 SEK ~1100€ and ESL Torneo Campus Party 2000€ i think its not too unlikely that ill get it.

so if anyone has an idea on how to get payment from these events, feel free to pm me :D



I am surprised to see Dreamhack's name up there, considering that they are supposed to be the premier tournament organiser in europe, and the european hope for stepping up to MLG! (even though I think Europe has the better players, I admit that NA still has the best tournaments by far)


Did you read the response about the Dreamhack prize money? From the response that Dreamhack already paid the money long ago to aTn, it seems that aTn is sitting on the money, and correct me if I am wrong, but aren´t Cloud, Socke and Darkforce all players from aTn?

Might be a double edged problem with tournaments not paying out in time, and that the clan dosnt pay out in time (or at all sometimes?) to the players.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
November 03 2011 10:11 GMT
#1477
On November 03 2011 19:02 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 04:08 Socke wrote:
im still waiting for more than 15600€ in total at the moment. im quite sure ill get the prizemoney
with the exception of these 3 tournaments though.
DSRACK Lan 400€ im quite sure by now not to ever see the money.

for DH Cointoss Tournament 10.000 SEK ~1100€ and ESL Torneo Campus Party 2000€ i think its not too unlikely that ill get it.

so if anyone has an idea on how to get payment from these events, feel free to pm me :D



I am surprised to see Dreamhack's name up there, considering that they are supposed to be the premier tournament organiser in europe, and the european hope for stepping up to MLG! (even though I think Europe has the better players, I admit that NA still has the best tournaments by far)


Socke edited that comment and aknowledge there might have been some miscommunication since it seems it was allready payed out to his team!

This is not about DH, ESWC, IPL and MLG! It's more about ESL being to late and other smaller leagues simply not paying like:
the gathering - norway
UGC - italy
DSRACK - denmark
ESL - pays but takes to long, sometimes more then a year!
etc..
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 03 2011 10:18 GMT
#1478
On November 03 2011 19:11 shell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 19:02 JustPassingBy wrote:
On November 03 2011 04:08 Socke wrote:
im still waiting for more than 15600€ in total at the moment. im quite sure ill get the prizemoney
with the exception of these 3 tournaments though.
DSRACK Lan 400€ im quite sure by now not to ever see the money.

for DH Cointoss Tournament 10.000 SEK ~1100€ and ESL Torneo Campus Party 2000€ i think its not too unlikely that ill get it.

so if anyone has an idea on how to get payment from these events, feel free to pm me :D



I am surprised to see Dreamhack's name up there, considering that they are supposed to be the premier tournament organiser in europe, and the european hope for stepping up to MLG! (even though I think Europe has the better players, I admit that NA still has the best tournaments by far)


Socke edited that comment and aknowledge there might have been some miscommunication since it seems it was allready payed out to his team!

This is not about DH, ESWC, IPL and MLG! It's more about ESL being to late and other smaller leagues simply not paying like:
the gathering - norway
UGC - italy
DSRACK - denmark
ESL - pays but takes to long, sometimes more then a year!
etc..


okay, nvm. so they are the chosen one!
Thebbeuttiffulland
Profile Joined October 2011
Brazil288 Posts
November 03 2011 10:22 GMT
#1479
im still waiting for 2600 euros from ESL too
truth is out there
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
November 03 2011 10:29 GMT
#1480
On November 03 2011 04:08 Socke wrote:
DH Cointoss Tournament 10.000 SEK ~1100€


I think the accountant department went like this. Cointoss tournament??? 1100 € ???? Must be a error...

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