On November 04 2011 20:20 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 20:15 zaii wrote:On November 04 2011 13:52 TBone- wrote:On November 04 2011 06:54 LovE-z33k wrote:
So basically, you're saying it will be paid. Cool...
Why is it that MLG pays out right away, and ESL doesn't. The whole 90 day thing is BS, and nothing stops you from going over that time period anyways.
Keep in mind, MLG doesn't host nearly as many tournaments as ESL does.
How many does ESL hosts?
MLG hosts 6 live events and a couple online tournament/show matches.
Lets see.... 6 IEM live events..
3 live EPS finals
Gazillion online tournaments and show matches ^^ Ok maybe not gazillionbut at least 12-15 a month.
EN is not my native language so sry but it should be understandble?
We cauld just start a list cause he is obvious not able to google, right? Lets see what ESL provides for his Players and then lets compare the pure number of Games with the other leagues. Because its a lot of Work i will simply not also "GOOGLE FOR YOU YOU SIR!" i will post them here for free. I know how hard it is to google for yourself and try to get an own oponion based on facts, especialy in america where Bush won illiagal but they let him be President ROFL. Basicly - if enouph play it ESL always hosts a tournament with some prize for every game. The List is ofc not complete.
Just Listed games, so there are competitions and in some way a prize. You can google it for your self, ofc you can google with binks or whatever you enjoy the most. I will not because its even more work for nothing. I follow this forum and in this section (Money/ESL) i see people writing something true but people just ignore it. FlyingDJ is just one of them who gets completly ignored and he is so long in eSport.
Remember, ESL gives every game kind of a chance, they open a Portal for a game and if the community is active they get powerd up with cups and stuff and ofc prizes. If a title becomes EAS (ESL Amateur Series) they have or are close to become a EPS title if they are not still a EPS title, but they are really active and get "sponsored" and watched more. Google yourself for EAS but its like the step to ProGaming playing there. Compared to USA - playing MLG OpenBracket but it has a other shadul ofc. Not the stupid one of MLG where its a real wonder if you make it through it and win a mlg.
Consoles:
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XboX:
Cod 4
Cod BlackOps
CoD MW2
Fifa 10
Fifa 11
Gears of War2
Halo Reach
PES 2011
Playstation3
Assassins Creed: Brotherhoodd
CoD 4
CoD BlackOps
CoD MW2
Fifa 10
Fifa 11
PES 2010
PES 2011
SuperStreetFighter 4
PS3/PSP
BF 3
Brink
CoD 4
CoD Black Ops
CoD MW2
CoD MW3
Crysis
CS:GO
Dirt 3
DukeNukem Forever
F1 2011
Fifa 11
Fifa 12
Magic: TG . DotP
PES 2012
Shift 2
TopSpin 4
Wii/NDS
CoD 4
Fifa 10
Mario Kart Wii
Pokemon Diamant / Perl / Platin
SuperSmashBros Brawl
Xbox:
Backshoots Billards 2
BF3
CoD 4
CoD BlackOps
CoD MW2
CoD MW3
Crysis 2
CS:GO
Dirt 3
Doritos Crash Course
DukeNukem Forever
F1 2011
Fifa 10
Fifa 11
Fifa 12
Forza Motorsport 4
Full House Poker
Gears of War 3
Guitar Hero: WoR
Halo Reach
Kinect Sports
Magic: TG DotP 2012
Magic: The Gathering
PES 2012
Shift 2 Unleashed
Thexas Hold em
Top Spin 4
Uno
YuGiOh 5Ds Decade Duels
Xbox:
CoD 4
CoD BlackOps
CoD MW2
F1 2011
Fifa 12
Forza Motorsport 4
Gears of War 3
Halo Reach
Naruto Shippuden Storm 2
PES 2012
Red Dead Redemption
Super Street Fighter 4
Top Spion 4
PS3
BF3
CoD Black Ops
CoD MW2
CoD MW3
F1 2011
Fifa 12
Naruto Shippuden Storm 2
PES 2011
Super Street Figher 4
Top Spin 4
Wii/NDS
Fifa 12
Mario Kart Wii
PES 2011
Arcade:
Bankshot Billiards 2
Bomberman Live
Doritos Crash Course
Full House Poker
Uno
They have their Own Language Part But ofc for all others there is the EU Part, so lets take a look:
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Playstation 3
BF3
Brink
Cod 4
Cod Black Ops
CoD MW2
CoD MW3
CS:Go
F1 2011
F1 2011
Fifa 11
Fifa 12
PES 2012
Xbox
Bf3
Brink
CoD 4
Cod Black Ops
Cod MW2
CoD MW3
CS:GO
F1 2011
Fifa 11
Fifa 12
Forza Motorsport
Gears of War 3
Halo Reach
PES 2012
Uno
So now you count the number of games and compare them to for example MLG. Now you cauld start to check out what games get a cup or something. just check out if there is any prize you can with with the title and then think of that sb has to manage all that too. so it takes time? OFC not, YOU can handle all of this games in 2 Hours right?
So this is a big bunch, interesting that this three diffrent countrys have also some difference in games. But lets go to tha part that matters right? Away from this kidshit aka console gamers to men sports aka PC !
Lets Start
Germany
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EPS:
CS 1.6,
CS:S,
Fifa11,
SC2,
Trackmania,
LoL,
World of Tanks
LigaPokal:
CS 1.6,
CS:S,
Fifa11,
SC2
There is a EAS too and more like CityChampoinchips and stuff wont list them, google for yourself. They need ofc time and get some kind of prizes too. Myb i will explain EAS later on. Now i am not interested
Female:
CS1.6,
CS:S
Top Games:
BF3
CoD4
CoD BlackOps
CoD MW2
CoD MW3
CS 1.6
CS:S
Fifa 12
Haxball
LoL
SC2
Trackmania 2 Canyon
World of Tanks
But ofc they offer more so lets take a look of the German complete List:
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Alliance of Valiant Arms
Americas Army: Operations
Assult Cube
BF2
BF3
BF BadCompany
Blackshot
BloodlineChampions
BlubGame
Brink
CoD
CoD 2
CoD 4
CoD BlackOps
CoD MW2
CoD MW 3
Carom 3D
CollinMcRace: Dirt 2
Combat Arms
CS
CS Condition Zero
CS:S
Counterstrike Manager
CrossFire
Darkspore
DawnOfWar 2: Retribution
Day of Defeat Source
DotA
Duke Nukem Forever
Enemy Territory
FEAR
F1 2010
F1 2011
FanatasyMasters
Fifa 12
Football Manager 2011
Football Manager 2012
Haxball
HoN
Homefront
ICQ Games
JediKnight: Jedi Academy
LoL
L4D 2
Level R
Live for Speed
Magic: The Gathering
Medal of Honor
MSN Games
N4Speed Hot Persuit
N4Speed Most Wanted
N4Speed Shift
OFP: Red River
Operations 7
Playforia
PlayOK
PokerTH
PES 2011
PES 2012
Quake Live
Race 07
RaceDriver Grid
rFactor
S4 League
Shift 2 Unleashed
Starcraft 2
Storm of the Imperial Sanctum
Team Fortress 2
Teeworlds
Trackmania 2
Trackmania Nations Forvever
Unreal 3
Unreal 2004
Vietcong
WC3
War Rock
World of Tanks
Worms Reloaded
All this Games have their german Part. Some are active some are close to death but as long as ESL provides it there is a chance for the players to be active and get prizes. I will just now go one with the Top Games for countrys.
United Kingdom
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ProSeries: CS:S, SC2, Trackmaina
BF3
CS 1.6
CS:S
CoD 4
Fifa 11
Haxball
MSN Games
QuakeLive
SC2
TeamFortress 2
Ukraine
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BF3
BlubGame
CS 1.6
CS:S
CoD 4
DotA
Fifa Online
Fifa 11
CoD MW2
Poker Th
PES 2011
Quake Live
Skype Games
Stalker COP
SC2
Trackmania Nations Forever
WC3
Chess
Turkey
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CoD 2
CoD 4
CS 1.6
Crysis 2
SC2
WC3
Fifa 10
Fifa 11
HaxBall
Trackmania Nations Forever
Swiss/Austria aka Alpen
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EPS: CS 1.6, CSSS, Fifa11, SC2, Trackmania, LoL, World of Tanks
Cause of changes they are again a part of EPS Germany. And ofc they just suck and play no real part in it. Sry but its true
CoD Black Ops
Fifa 11
SC2
Well they are basicly part of the German ESL so take their a look. They have some things germans dont really play like Skiing and stuff. Thats it basicly
Nordic: Nordic Parts of EU like Sweden/Finnland/Sweden and and duno. Basicly 5 Countrys
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EPS Nordic was a big desaster, Teams just not coming, problems. They are LanActive in the end. Nordic EPS not found so they stoped it?
Americas Army 3
Americas Army Operations
Armed Assault 2
Assault Cube
BF2
BF 1942
BF 2142
BF Viatnam
CoD 2
CoD 4
CoD World at War
Combat Arms
CS
CS:S
CS Condition Zero
Cross Fire
Crysis Wars
Cube 2
Day of Defeat
Day of Defeat Sourcve
Digital Paint: Painbtall 2
ET: Quake Wars
FarCry 2
GTA IV
HL2
Insurgency
JediKnight 2
Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
L4D
Operaiton 7
Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising
Quake 3
Rainbow Six: Raven Shield
S4 League
Soldat
Star Wars Battlefront
Star Wars Battlefront 2
SWAT 4
Tactical Ops Assault on Terror
Team Fortress 2
Unreal 3
Unreal 2004
Urban Terror
Vietcong
War Rock
Warsow
Battleforge
C&C Red Alert 3
Company of Heroes
Dawn Of War
Demigod
DotA
Empire Total War
LotR Battle for middle earth 1
LotR Battle for middle earth 2
SC:BW
SC 2
WC3
World in Conflict
Carom 3D
Fifa 9
Football Manager 2009
Power Soccer
PES 2009
Project Powder
Guild Wras
World of Warcraft
L 2 Sturmovik
KartRider
Live for Speed
Race Driver Grid
Trackmania Nations Forever
Blub Game
CounterStrike Manager
Fanatasy Master
ICQ Games
JamLegend
MSN Games
PagYa
Playray
PokerTH
SnowBound online
Teeworlds
Balkan
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CS 1.6
CS Female
Fifa 10
DoTa
Kind of nothing happend so i dont know if they will come more but they tried
they basicly play the EU part and all the Games listed cauld be possibel to play
Spain
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CS
CS:S
LoL
SC2
CoD 4
Poker TH
Other Games are played too ofc but i am kind of bored and i dont want to type more.
Benelux Belgion Netherlands Luxenburg
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EPS:
CoD 4
CS 1.6
CS:S
SC2
Provincial Championchips
CS 1.6
CS:S
EAS:
CoDD 4
CS 1.6
Trackmania Nations Forever
Quake Live
Haxball
LoL
CoD 4
CoD BlackOps
CS
CS:S
Fifa 12
Poker TH
SC2
Trackmania
War Rocks
France
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EPS:
SC2
CS:S
Naruto Suns 2
CoD BlackOps
Ragional Equipe Championship:
CS
CS Condition Zero
PES 2011
Sports:
PES
Female Gaming
CS
CS:S
EAS:
CS
CS:S
CS Condition Zero
PokerTH
CoD Black Ops
COD MW2
CoD MW3
CS
CS:S
CS Condition Zero
Fifa 12
HaxBall
LoL
MSN Games
OMGPOP
PokerStars.fr
Poker TH
SC2
Trackmanina2
Italy
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EPS:
CS
CS:S
CoD 4
LoL
EAS
CoD Black Ops
CoD 4
Combat Arms
Poker TH
Haxball
CS:S
Point Blank
Lo Scontro Continua
Point Black
regional Championchips:
CoD 4
CoD Black Ops
Combat Arms
CS:S
haxball
Warrock
BF Bad Company 2
LoL
I am now kind of bored doing this. What i wanted to Show is what the ESL provides for his Members. Basicly every Game gets his chance and basicly every Game has his chance to be a part of pro Gaming. And every year their are big discussions going on when a game drops out of EPS and a new title comes in. World of Tanks was the last title with drama going on. And you see that countries have diffrent "most loved games". What is interesting. Italy simple does not Play CS 1.6 and years ago they played AgeOfEmpires and not Wc3 or SC:BW. In the end there are a bunch of games.
And i say it again: Every Community Gets His Chance To Push Their Title To A Pro Title!
Something that MLG / IGN and all others dont do. They announce their title and if you dont like it what to do? There is no chance to get a pro competition for your game. And as you see this company has a lot to do. They have not just ONE TOURNAMENT where they have a prizepool that is just a joke (hi MLG) or one Game with a big prize pool.
I forgot a lot but you can just google for yourself. Just keep in Mind this German Company provides a lot of tournaments in diffrent countrys and then they have ofc the bit cross country tournaments
International:
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IntelExtremeMasterS:
CS1.6,
SC2,
LoL
ESLMajorSeson:
CS:S,
CoD4,
Fifa11,
HoN,
LoL,
Q Live,
Trackmania,
World of tanks
Asus ENC:
CS1.6,
WC3,
Fifa,
CS:S,
CS1.6
Female,
QuakeLive
ESL Female EU:
CS 1.6
And now its up to you to compare. MLG drives their stuff with trucks to diffrent locations but still its the same country. They pay a prizepool that does just say: Hey i go there and i will loose money anyway. Even if i win its a minus buissnes for each player. and for the teams too. Thx sponsors are paying it but if you look the matches they play its just an incredibal joke. And then we compare the number of games...the joke gets bigger and bigger. ESL has problems. My first problem is their joke of a streamquality. So i try to go to live events as often as i possibly can. And they release their replays instant. Not like MLG. Showing basicly 20% of all Games and then you have to wait for the replays. And the funy thing, the OpenBracket players, the new / young growing ProGaming generation gets zero attention. The ESL does it the other way around. There are so many competitions where clans are able to check out the maybe upcoming stars, small clans that can make a name and ofc players can grow to stars. MLG? dont see them at all. And there are a lot ot other facts that speak in my eyes for the ESL. But hey they pay out more BUT FUCKING LATE WTF Oo and thats ofc not good but the people dont see the complete structure of the ESL
They pay out PrizeMoney! Late but they pay prizemoney out that is far away from MLG. If they wouldnt have the deal with GSL the tournament would be a joke. Not to talk about protecting players in PoolPlay that just feed their groups and its so hard to kick them out. The good thing about MLG, its like the Warcraft 3 Championsleague. A prestige team league. To win it was more woth then the money you get from it. But in the end not like it. Its the easiest way to get a Code S/A spot in the world and that makes it so fucking attractive. But as a Fan of SC2 its a joke till they release their replays and give me a chance to see the not top dogs.
And do not forget the PlayerDivas. Not able to show good behavior and professionalism. There are big examples like Naniwa. Basicly a bad manner player in WC3. EPS Nordic, no online tournament at all, then they get their chance and it becomes a joke in the end. DoTa/LoL where you see Teams droping out. Even in the EAS you see so many penaltyPoints and players dropping cause they dont show up, cant read rules or just act like the rules want them. Keeping this in mind makes it so easy to believe players are not able to give the ESL their bankdates? Yes? I mean ok USA is known worldwide for stupid stuff like the guy in his campingmobile activating his tempomat and, stand up, make a coffe, crash, and win on court cause nobody said he has to stay in cockpit while tempomat is on Oo.
Still: Yes ESL pays out late but they have so much stuff going on and not just one tournament. So please keep this in mind. And keep in mind its a bit diffrent in EU then in USA. For example the Cologne tournament. Its basicly a joke. Yes the GamesCom is not a pure tournament. All publisher come there to show up their Games but the organisation is a joke. I have been there, Saturday they have not been able to get the logistic done. People cant go in cause they forgot to caunt a Daypass, the weeklypass and the people who just bought a online ticket for saturday. Its a joke and then the GamesCom itself. The ESL stage was dobbel as big as last time and the ESL cauld easy fill up a whole Part and the people will pay to enter the GC but just check out the ESl. But Gamescom dont give them a place. Complete Parts where closed for no reaseon...enouph of it. I hopefully made my point. Cybersports is still not there where it cauld be but the ESL did more then any other organisation.
Still paying out late is bad, but paying out! So dont make it to a big deal. And if you dont like it, then dont play there. FXO is doing it and missing in my eyes a way of showing them selves and sponsors in esport. ESL is also in TV - Eurosport. But haters gona hate. Its the Internet right?
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