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we ll see how this patch works out, hopefully protoss can stop complaining after this (looking at you SOTG). I wonder how the emp nerf will affect TvZ though.
btw can zergs please shut the hell up about ghosts. Ghosts are problematic vs protoss cause of EMP. I dont understand why zerg complain about ghost. What else outside of ghosts beats broodlord infestor, tell me? the answer is nothing. Ghost counters zerg T3 true, so what? thats the onyl unit that does.
The only evidence vs ghosts is one game vs july wehre july thought a million ultras vs an army of ghosts with no support was a good idea. and one where MVP lost super slow to darkforce until darkforce decided to make... *gasp* lings and a moved to victory.
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The EMP change is a step in the right direction but it doesn't stop the carpet EMP you just have to have like 1 more ghost.
What they really need to do is make it so you can't get EMP'd multiple times in a row. The EMP is the only spellcaster AOE that "stacks" because it happens instantly. They need to give an EMP'd unit an immunity to EMP buff when they get hit that wears off after a short time.
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On October 26 2011 10:29 theaxis12 wrote:
The EMP change is a step in the right direction but it doesn't stop the carpet EMP you just have to have like 1 more ghost.
What they really need to do is make it so you can't get EMP'd multiple times in a row. The EMP is the only spellcaster AOE that "stacks" because it happens instantly. They need to give an EMP'd unit an immunity to EMP buff when they get hit that wears off after a short time.
QFT.
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On October 26 2011 10:29 theaxis12 wrote:
The EMP change is a step in the right direction but it doesn't stop the carpet EMP you just have to have like 1 more ghost.
What they really need to do is make it so you can't get EMP'd multiple times in a row. The EMP is the only spellcaster AOE that "stacks" because it happens instantly. They need to give an EMP'd unit an immunity to EMP buff when they get hit that wears off after a short time.
Don't think it matters. Any units that get hit by the EMP are dead "after a short time".
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On October 26 2011 10:16 lariat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 10:15 Link_Drako wrote:On October 26 2011 10:10 Cloud9157 wrote:On October 26 2011 10:06 Link_Drako wrote:
This is going to destroy PvZ. Now what will happen in most match ups is this: Toss will one base a 2/2/0 or 2/0/2 or if your really unlucky 3/3/3 and this will happen by mid-game. Zerg already can do nothing to them for the first 6mins of a game. Now your basically saying when they do decided to come out, they will have out done Zerg in upgrades, which was the only thing keeping us afloat.
This is by far the worst patch to Toss I have seen. I am astounded that they worry about PvT when it's plain as day that ZvP is unbalanced in favor of Toss. Toss had methods of dealing with Terran. Zerg is the one who is hurting the most, yet not a single patch has fixed the issues. No real help has come to them at all.
This patch won't last. Mark my words, Toss will be unbalanced now for sure. (Like they weren't before). LOLOLOLOLOL You must be trolling. One basing 2/2? So what does Zerg do if they scout that? Oh thats right. Expand. Get 3 bases and just mass produce units. Protoss will not have the ability to beat you when they have so few units, no matter how powerful they are. How do scout it without an Overlord? Oh.. And less we forget that Zerg CANNOT scout early game against toss once the sentry is down. But what do we do if we can scout? NOTHING. Toss is the only race in the game that can SPEED UP upgrade research. BTW, I do know about the "Push Through Worker" scouting method. Doesn't matter on a Pro level, why would it matter anywhere else? Zerg has the worst W/L ratio against all races, and this is by MLG/GSL/TSL standards. Before you call me a Troll, do some research. No, in korea, most specifically gsl zvt is 50% and zvp is like 60-70%. Quit making baseless complaints. Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 10:16 XRaDiiX wrote:On October 26 2011 10:06 Link_Drako wrote:
This is going to destroy PvZ. Now what will happen in most match ups is this: Toss will one base a 2/2/0 or 2/0/2 or if your really unlucky 3/3/3 and this will happen by mid-game. Zerg already can do nothing to them for the first 6mins of a game. Now your basically saying when they do decided to come out, they will have out done Zerg in upgrades, which was the only thing keeping us afloat.
This is by far the worst patch to Toss I have seen. I am astounded that they worry about PvT when it's plain as day that ZvP is unbalanced in favor of Toss. Toss had methods of dealing with Terran. Zerg is the one who is hurting the most, yet not a single patch has fixed the issues. No real help has come to them at all.
And by the way, Toss has such a low win rate in Korea due to their being so few Toss. Of course the win ratio will be bad.
This patch won't last. Mark my words, Toss will be unbalanced now for sure. (Like they weren't before). 100% true if anything this is going to encourage two base timing pushes with double/triple forge not to mention how powerful this already is seeing Protoss use it consistently with like 80% win rate in esv matches which was a PvP finals btw Wow can't believe this path add this onto how difficult forcefields are to de with forcing Zerg to lose a good chunk of their army and I'm gonna guess 70% win rate vs Zerg in protoss favor. I'm in masters and Ive already got a 30% win rate vs toss . Meanwhile I crush high masters terran not sure how bliss gonna allow this one through. Sorry for grammar on phone  This is just your fault. If you can hold a 2 base 2 forge timing attack, you can hold it off after 1.4.2 when protoss pushes with an extra half of a sentry.
There is nothing baseless about it. The most recent graphs DID NOT show those win rates. I cannot find the post on TL, but your wrong. Dead wrong in fact. Nestea/Idra/Losira/etc.. all say that there are some imbalances to ZvP. If you are going to jump in, do it with some real statistics. Not ones you pull off the top of your head.
And as far as what you said to
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this is unbelievable, do they really think that this is balancing?
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i expect some cool timing attacks for protoss!!
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these changes wont change the imbalance that Z = T > P
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Good, anything to fix the T imbaness is a plus
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On October 26 2011 10:33 renaissanceMAN wrote:
this is unbelievable, do they really think that this is balancing?
Guess you play terran.
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On October 26 2011 10:17 DeepElemBlues wrote:
i play zerg i dont think this makes protoss OP
brotosses already upgrade like mad if theyre good anyway, i mean you have a spell that can increase research time no one good is going to pass up on that
the difference in time/money is so small that its not going to have much of an effect
Exactly. I am a zerg player as well but don't see how this going to make that drastic of a change. Going 3 forge off of just 2 base shouldn't be a big deal considering how many less units the P will have.
The EMP radius decrease seems like a good change but like every other patch we'll just have to see how it plays out.
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On October 26 2011 10:32 ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 10:29 theaxis12 wrote:
The EMP change is a step in the right direction but it doesn't stop the carpet EMP you just have to have like 1 more ghost.
What they really need to do is make it so you can't get EMP'd multiple times in a row. The EMP is the only spellcaster AOE that "stacks" because it happens instantly. They need to give an EMP'd unit an immunity to EMP buff when they get hit that wears off after a short time. Don't think it matters. Any units that get hit by the EMP are dead "after a short time".
It matters for Archons and guarantees that a full energy HT will get a storm off.
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On October 26 2011 10:35 theaxis12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 10:32 ayaz2810 wrote:On October 26 2011 10:29 theaxis12 wrote:
The EMP change is a step in the right direction but it doesn't stop the carpet EMP you just have to have like 1 more ghost.
What they really need to do is make it so you can't get EMP'd multiple times in a row. The EMP is the only spellcaster AOE that "stacks" because it happens instantly. They need to give an EMP'd unit an immunity to EMP buff when they get hit that wears off after a short time. Don't think it matters. Any units that get hit by the EMP are dead "after a short time". It matters for Archons and guarantees that a full energy HT will get a storm off.
Ah okay I see what was meant now. I misunderstood.
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I'm going to die so hard to mass chargelot/archon every game if this patch goes through. Looks like it's time to start working on different 1/1/1 variations.
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Why haven't we seen any fast +1 attack +1 shield armor for blink stalker timings? Makes more sense than armor upgrades..
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On October 26 2011 10:38 phiinix wrote:
Why haven't we seen any fast +1 attack +1 shield armor for blink stalker timings? Makes more sense than armor upgrades..
There's more HP than shields for zealots (which you'll build anyway), and armor upgrades are cheaper. Sure, it's cute when protoss buildings have +3 shields, but +2 terran building armor is rarely researched anyway. In addition, armor starts at 1 for most units, while shields start at 0.
Shields are really only worth it if you want to transition to air, since the upgrades keep. Or if you have archons.
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It's amazing how this community automatically assumes anyone still arguing about P or T automatically has to playing the opposite race. Please realize that a lot of people are saying their OWN race is the one that needs more fixing sometimes, like stephano did today when speaking of burrowed moving banelings. Some P's are saying there own upgrade buff seem like a bit much and some T's are saying there own ghost are still a bit too powerful.
Stop assuming everyone is the opposite race because you assume everything to be QQ or because they have a little outdated icon next to there alias. It downgrades the whole community and reduces the real mature balance discussion from progressing.
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Wow I just got on PTR. Emp is the size of a supply depot.
What a fucking joke.
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On October 26 2011 10:43 SolidMoose wrote:
Wow I just got on PTR. Emp is the size of psionic storm.
What a fucking joke.
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About the change on Ghosts.
The EMP radius reduction was to nerf the effectiveness of the early EMP builds that many, many terrans have adapted recently on ladder.
With a 2 radius, you could EMP about 6 stalkers if clumped, now you probably can hit 3-4. Big difference when it's an early game fight
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