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Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
October 24 2011 22:22 GMT
#221
Are Hydras after upgrade really as fast off creep as they are on creep?? That makes them faster than Ultras or Roaches off creep!
That seems really huge to me, with range 6, anti air and much higher dps, I can see zerg transitioning from max roach to max hydra armies late game versus toss.
Bow before the Dongjwa.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
October 24 2011 22:25 GMT
#222
I mostly wish the Zerg siege unit was something more to the tune of a DIRECT lurker reference, say instead of shooting a line of spines, throwing spines up in one AoE area in slightly different patterns each time (Zerg like, you know? And so it's not a tank copy) with a broader spread than a tank but less damage and not as broad as a bw lurker's spread. Also have much less range than a tank but be able to slowly move while burrowed. Maybe give them almost colossus range. But swarm host is far from useless looking, I'm just nostalgic.
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pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
October 24 2011 22:26 GMT
#223
I just hate the idea of the "pull" capacity of the viper, it's one of those anti-micro things like fungal where you can't do anything
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
October 24 2011 22:27 GMT
#224
I wish they would keep the overseer. I really started to embrace that unit (esp. after the resource buff.) I feel like changelings are one of the coolest scouting tools.. even if you opponent sees them right away, you have an opportunity to see unit compositions, tech buildings, etc.

Maybe they can consider taking the detection abilities away from the viper and just keep the overseer.
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FroZen(-_-)
Profile Joined December 2010
United States183 Posts
October 24 2011 22:39 GMT
#225
Soooo maybe mass armies of swarm host could cause a weird metagame with having an infinitely spawning army to endlessly harass an army that can exhaust, seems to me a little, how do i say this, unsafe?
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ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 22:45:43
October 24 2011 22:44 GMT
#226
On October 25 2011 07:26 pPingu wrote:
I just hate the idea of the "pull" capacity of the viper, it's one of those anti-micro things like fungal where you can't do anything


With replicants the Protoss could Pull the Colossi back xDDD Colossus Tug O' War~!
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pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
October 24 2011 22:45 GMT
#227
On October 25 2011 07:39 FroZen(-_-) wrote:
Soooo maybe mass armies of swarm host could cause a weird metagame with having an infinitely spawning army to endlessly harass an army that can exhaust, seems to me a little, how do i say this, unsafe?


Just like broodlords?

For the moment they spawn slower than broodlings though.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
October 24 2011 22:47 GMT
#228
On October 24 2011 09:07 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 08:44 Fishgle wrote:
Why do people dislike Viper's Hook? It's great for killing colossus or help attack into siege lines.

1. It looks like Looney Tunes
2. It removes actual compensatory micro and army splitting an army has to do, which is one of the main reasons BW or any RTS is exciting.
3. It looks stupid
4. It looks stupid
5. It's another ability where a spell replaces actual micro.

It should be ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE to break a good siege line. In a nutshell, that's what made BW popular for 10 years. Siege lines being ridiculously OP, and people finding ways to overcome that. For once, please forget your amateur ladder ambitions and think about what's best for watching the game.


Then how about we make it cost 50 more energy and call it "Spawn Broodling" -.-
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ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
October 24 2011 22:50 GMT
#229
On October 24 2011 12:10 Fluttershy wrote:
I LOVE the hellion and warhound.

Warhound is terran's only beefy unit(240hp) which has good anti-mech and anti-air, hellion transforms make them not complete garbage after the initial cheesing phase of the game.


Terran with beefy units... what in the FUCK is this world coming to....

Terran was always the Nuclear Fucking PUNCH with the backbone of glass... I mean seriously, get a fully upgraded Zealot in Broodwar and have it go up against ANY Terran ground unit... Terran with beefy units mean Protoss with DPS and Zerg without Zergling runby's.... Oh... wait... LOL I didn't even meant to do that.. xDD
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
October 24 2011 22:57 GMT
#230
On October 25 2011 07:26 pPingu wrote:
I just hate the idea of the "pull" capacity of the viper, it's one of those anti-micro things like fungal where you can't do anything

They should make it just like the Pudge's meathook works, where it's an attack that pulls the first unit it comes into contact with.
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Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
October 24 2011 23:06 GMT
#231
Not sure I buy the anti-micro arguments, BW had lockdown, stasis field and maelstrom. SC2 only has fungal, and it lasts a shorter amount of time.

The split second it takes the viper to pull something is more like the forcefield ability, controlling the battlefield rather than something that prevents micro. (My ramp is blocked! I can't micro half my units that should be in the battle!)
Bow before the Dongjwa.
TSL-Lore
Profile Joined January 2009
United States412 Posts
October 24 2011 23:23 GMT
#232
On October 25 2011 07:47 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 09:07 0neder wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:44 Fishgle wrote:
Why do people dislike Viper's Hook? It's great for killing colossus or help attack into siege lines.

1. It looks like Looney Tunes
2. It removes actual compensatory micro and army splitting an army has to do, which is one of the main reasons BW or any RTS is exciting.
3. It looks stupid
4. It looks stupid
5. It's another ability where a spell replaces actual micro.

It should be ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE to break a good siege line. In a nutshell, that's what made BW popular for 10 years. Siege lines being ridiculously OP, and people finding ways to overcome that. For once, please forget your amateur ladder ambitions and think about what's best for watching the game.


Then how about we make it cost 50 more energy and call it "Spawn Broodling" -.-


Yeah, that was my thoughts exactly as well. I hate things that don't really make sense in the realm of physical possibility. How can an organic flying creature pull a massive (probably like 500 tons in weight) Protoss Colossus over a great distance so suddenly? It doesn't look right.

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TSL-Lore
Profile Joined January 2009
United States412 Posts
October 24 2011 23:24 GMT
#233
On October 25 2011 07:50 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 12:10 Fluttershy wrote:
I LOVE the hellion and warhound.

Warhound is terran's only beefy unit(240hp) which has good anti-mech and anti-air, hellion transforms make them not complete garbage after the initial cheesing phase of the game.


Terran with beefy units... what in the FUCK is this world coming to....

Terran was always the Nuclear Fucking PUNCH with the backbone of glass... I mean seriously, get a fully upgraded Zealot in Broodwar and have it go up against ANY Terran ground unit... Terran with beefy units mean Protoss with DPS and Zerg without Zergling runby's.... Oh... wait... LOL I didn't even meant to do that.. xDD


This I also agree with. With the Marauder, the extra HP on the marines, and now the beefy Warhounds, they're really getting rid of that glass cannon feel that made Terrans so awesome in BW. Sigh.. im pretty sure anytime blizzard comes out with anything for SC2, a ton of BW nostalgia will come back and haunt us all, and for good reason. There was just so much genius in the development of that game.
I want to become stronger. -Shindou Hikaru
apriores
Profile Joined March 2010
Romania41 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 14:12:08
October 28 2011 12:49 GMT
#234
Fungal Growth + Dark Swarm + Banelings does not have a counter. You can only stay and watch your marines dying without backfiring. So, they could add a dispell (in mass) on Medivac which can dispell fungal or at least the roots effect from it.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
October 28 2011 13:33 GMT
#235
sooo who expected other votes then 66/33 in a 3 race game ? People think its imba 66% are against it. People think its bad 33% against it .

And no they already get rid of terran bw style with the range reduce on marines and the damage ultra nerf on tanks, while the units in general started to move faster. So without the killer damage terran has they need something better to tank then vultures.
And well the reason bw worked out was because there was no chance to attack midgame. Highground = end of attack wait for arbiters and vessels to conter arbiters in the right moment to destroy the toss army or get your army destroyed to have to retreat to the next high ground/choke.
Just realize the sc2 mechanics don't allow a way back to looking like bw. The defender advantage is not 60% better units anymore.
The ambition in sc2 is that you have to make your units be 60% more effective and it works in most places.
And saying force fields and other spells block micro is funny, only blocks micro if you let it happen which is a good punishment really.
I like the hook atleast better then spawn broodling. Wonder if they make the energy needed x supply . So the stonger the unit the more energy you need hehe. (probably to good against casters). It will be atleast easier for the toss to feedback not needing a dark archon, and not so bad as the unit doesn't instant die.

Anyway i love complains that start like broodwar was better ... most stuff in sc2 was just taken out of bw remodeled to fit into another race and made less unforgiving.
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
October 28 2011 15:12 GMT
#236
On October 28 2011 22:33 FeyFey wrote:
sooo who expected other votes then 66/33 in a 3 race game ? People think its imba 66% are against it. People think its bad 33% against it .

And no they already get rid of terran bw style with the range reduce on marines and the damage ultra nerf on tanks, while the units in general started to move faster. So without the killer damage terran has they need something better to tank then vultures.
And well the reason bw worked out was because there was no chance to attack midgame. Highground = end of attack wait for arbiters and vessels to conter arbiters in the right moment to destroy the toss army or get your army destroyed to have to retreat to the next high ground/choke.
Just realize the sc2 mechanics don't allow a way back to looking like bw. The defender advantage is not 60% better units anymore.
The ambition in sc2 is that you have to make your units be 60% more effective and it works in most places.
And saying force fields and other spells block micro is funny, only blocks micro if you let it happen which is a good punishment really.
I like the hook atleast better then spawn broodling. Wonder if they make the energy needed x supply . So the stonger the unit the more energy you need hehe. (probably to good against casters). It will be atleast easier for the toss to feedback not needing a dark archon, and not so bad as the unit doesn't instant die.

Anyway i love complains that start like broodwar was better ... most stuff in sc2 was just taken out of bw remodeled to fit into another race and made less unforgiving.

Please, enlighten me how you stop forcefields before massive units come out. Baiting works only if the protoss takes the bait and makes the mistake of wasting ff, just in case you want to go in that direction. Other than that, a good protoss WILL cut your army in half.
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