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Thrillhouse
Profile Joined December 2010
United States27 Posts
October 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#821
Whew, needed a break so I thought I'd hop over here to the Team Liquid forums. Seems like everywhere else in my life, people are overreacting to whatever's going on, based on zero information.

So, any news around here?
You want excitement?! Shove THIS up your stocking!!
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
October 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#822
I'm a bit sceptical of the cloning and especially the pulling. The pulling especially seems like Blizzard doing their biggest mistake all over again, limiting micro, rather than promoting it.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
October 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#823
On October 22 2011 01:52 Ventil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 01:48 Jedclark wrote:
Warhound = Goliath.
Battlehellion = Firebat

Viper = Defiler

I am pretty psyched for these. The Protoss ones seem a bit weird, though.

This is what strikes me odd.
Instead of doing this, why not just add Goliaths, Firebats and Defilers (and Lurkers <3)? The community wants 'em, and obviously Blizzard sees the potential of such unit within the SC2 unit arsenal (given that those new units basically behaves just as their BW counterparts), so why dance around the matter like this?


I think the issue is that the SC2 team is not the same as the BW one, and they don't wanna just copy BW because it was good, they wanna try and create their own thing so they can be like "look we made this!"

The issue, is I don't think they will ever make anything as balanced as BW was and will keep refusing to take things from it and will try and make SC2 "their own"
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Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
October 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#824
On October 22 2011 01:51 bonifaceviii wrote:
Finally terran gets goliaths back.

Seriously blizzard, just call it a goliath.


Haha true that.

Am i stupid to not wanting T units removed?! I just love diversity.
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#825
Now we can speculate as to which units/abilities will be removed/tweaked.

Zerg: Not sure yet. Both new units have their own niche and don't really overlap that much with existing ones. I guess the detection property in the Viper might overlap with Overseers, but since the former is likely going to be a hive/late lair unit, and the latter is important for early/mid game scouting, I doubt they'll replace one for the other. As for the Swarm Host, it's a siege unit that probably morphs from the hydralisk. Zerg already has Broodlords for siege, but I don't really see the need for one to go for the other to exist. They might remove the latter just because Blizzard themselves have expressed that Broodlord/Infestor was a little too powerful. We'll see.

Protoss: Carriers will most likely be replaced with the Tempest. Don't really see the point of having both in the game. The Replicant sounds like it'll replace Hallucination so that'll probably go. The Oracle is an interesting one. Not sure if it will be a stargate unit or a robo unit to be honest. I have a sneaking suspicion that it might be an ungraded form of the observer, but that's just my thought.

Terran: The Warhound most likely will replace the Thor. I don't really see a place for the latter with this new unit being introduced. Battle Hellion will obviously act as Firebats, but will its introduction change anything else? Not entirely sure tbh. The Shredder is a strange one. By its description it sounds like a mobile mini-Planetary Fortress that doesn't work with nearby friendly units. I guess it'll be mainly used to fortify your expansions and other locations together with turrets and sensor towers. It might also be useful to take when attacking, but will be harder to deploy effectively. I don't really see a unit being removed for this to come in.
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kcbgoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland156 Posts
October 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#826
On October 22 2011 01:50 Novalisk wrote:
I like the Viper, Shredder, and the Tempest.

Rest of the units seem out of place...


Exactly.
Hellion transformation I can survive. But seriously, look at warhound - wth is that thing...

I don't know how swarm host is going to function but for now I don't rly like it.

Oracle and replicant seem little weird but we will see.
Unkie
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark47 Posts
October 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#827
Gonna be exciting to hear some more detail about these new units. As a toss player I'm feeling somewhat ambivalent about the new units.
The Tempest seems cool, because mutas are frikin' hard to deal with, if you haven't scouted them early enough, however i would like for it to be a replacement for the colossus - hopefully it's not another hero unit like the mothership (which I wouldn't be sad to see dissapear. But with the description it seems to replace the carrier, and might be somewhat of a niche unit.
The Oracle is certainly interesting if its harassing capabilities are powerful enough. I don't think it being able to reveal what a structure is making is a big deal, because you should be able to have a good idea about this from scouting the build - maybe in pvz you can see if the zerg player is about to do some insane tech switch all of a sudden.
The replicator I have no idea about whether it's going to be awesome, it seems to depend alot on its cost and range. I'm guessing it won't be worth it to replicate most units, but it might be worth to replicate some tier 2 & 3 units.

Terran units seem a bit unimaginative, while Zerg units look powerful as hell, as if lings weren't nasty already, now they get dark swarm as well XD
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#828
Zerg gets new versions of old BW units (let's be honest) and gets the highest approval %, this isn't a coincidence. The "new" Terran units are terrible until the diffrence between a thor and a hellhound is clarified, even if the thor is being replaced, is this a cosmetic change? hellion transform is probly useful but if they just removed hellions from the game and replaced them with vultures I think you'd see happiness closer to what you see from the Zergs in this thread.

tl;dr
Zerg got essentially BW units, I am filled with envy
Carrilord has arrived.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
October 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#829
brb switching to zerg :>
terran units look sooo boring

ps: i didnt expect a leak thread to keep open :D
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#830
On October 22 2011 01:53 Fionn wrote:
Poll: Will the Thor be removed?

Yes (74)
 
96%

No (3)
 
4%

77 total votes

Your vote: Will the Thor be removed?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Poll: Will the Marauder be removed?

No (55)
 
73%

Yes (20)
 
27%

75 total votes

Your vote: Will the Marauder be removed?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Poll: Will the Void Ray be removed?

No (58)
 
82%

Yes (13)
 
18%

71 total votes

Your vote: Will the Void Ray be removed?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Poll: Will Carriers be removed?

Yes (50)
 
70%

No (21)
 
30%

71 total votes

Your vote: Will Carriers be removed?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No





Goodbye, sweet, sweet Thor.

Hello to Warhoundzain.

Makes him sound German.
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Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
October 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#831
Terribly dissapointed with no addition of flying terran units :s
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
October 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#832
On October 22 2011 01:54 ElusoryX wrote:
the whole game will change man :/



that's a good thing.
Versioned
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom73 Posts
October 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#833
So if the warhound replaces the thor, what happens to people who have the collectors edition of the thor with their wings of liberty copy?
There is a theory which states, that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly dissapear and be replaced by something even more inexplicable. There is another theory that this has already happened.
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
October 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#834
These units look very microable, especially the one where you can move enemy units
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 16:56:32
October 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#835
On October 22 2011 01:54 Quotidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 01:42 Alpina wrote:
Both P and T got strong AoE AA unit so looks like mutas will be worthless..


because zerg players will suddenly forget how to magic box, right?


And its not like viper might help against that? It can fly with the muta.
SlimeBagly
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
356 Posts
October 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#836
I'm happy as long as the Viper shouts "GETOVERHERE" when it uses its ability
mutalisks are awesome!
potmilk
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada87 Posts
October 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#837
Why would Carriers get removed? they were like an iconic unit in SC:BW... Im Zerg, but id be pretty pissed if carriers got scrapped
Diab
Profile Joined October 2011
Denmark320 Posts
October 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#838
Marauder won't be removed unless they add a new rax unit I'd imagien.. We'll see Zerg unit seems amazing compared to the rest tho
"He who laughs most, learns best." - John Cleese
tmtx
Profile Joined April 2010
71 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 16:57:41
October 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#839
I wonder what tier will replicant be.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
October 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#840
On October 22 2011 01:48 Bagi wrote:
The tempest is a CAPITAL SHIP, its clearly there to replace the useless carrier.


Agreed. Loving the Tempest in looks and function, I think the Oracle replaces the Observer and is built from the Robo, can fly and is meant to fulfill the Protoss lack of early-midgame harassment. I'm loving that! The Replicant seems REALLY gimmicky to me - it's just like "hey, we nerfed Neural Parasite to the ground - let's give it to Protoss but make it the primary ability and have the caster fly!" Sure, it might have some EPIC micro moments (a gaggle of Ghosts, clone one and EMP them all - WIN!), but I don't see it as a core unit but more of a fringe one like the Dark Archon.

I reckon the Replicant will be replaced before HotS launches, or else it will just be unused in most games, or maybe used vs specific strategies (mech -> clone seige tanks, depending whether the new Zerg units are massive, maybe the Shredder? Turning Terran's AoE against them - nice!). I guess we'll find out

Overall, very please. I especially like the Viper (re-cast Defiler FTW!) and the Swarm Host design, but it's the execution that matters.

And I want that Tempest in a wall-paper for my desktop
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