EPTand if you say "it's a weird time" then i submit to you east coast and gsl.
Is the « spoiler fear » hurting E-sports ? - Page 19
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We are currently talking about this issue in the mod forum. We take this issue very seriously, and want to find the best way to serve those who want faster results, and those that don't wish to be spoiled. | ||
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JACCUZISPLAT
Uzbekistan76 Posts
and if you say "it's a weird time" then i submit to you east coast and gsl. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On October 13 2011 07:43 Shichibukai wrote: But that's what it all about. You cannot "facilitate integration of newcomers" without alienating old-timers with this proposal. There are many ways to get newcomers into SC2, I'd start with pointing them to some famous Youtube casters. If they then want to take the step from watching individual disconnected games to watching an ongoing league/LAN, I'm sure they too would prefer not to know the results in advance. From this thread, it's become apparent that a great deal of you don't mind if you know the results in advance, you just want to watch a good game. I respect that. On the other hand, it seems a lot of people don't respect the fact that for some of us, the whole point of watching SC2 is void if you know who will win. Simplified (in a rude way) it's just "me me me, I want this, I don't care if it's ruined for the rest of you". Why not? He might want to read the LR thread while he watches. What if the tourney is not GSL? What if he wants to use the TL thread for the link to the stream/VOD page? And most of all, what's wrong with TL as it is now? I never said anything was wrong with TL as it is. I'm refuting the logic that people who who want to see results should dig for them while OCD spoiler people can't simply watch the videos before they next check out TL. edit: also, spoiler option on forums to hide news or something | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:03 Bobster wrote: Well, if the fanbase were split 50/50 on the issue, I'd agree with you on this. But there's a point when it doesn't really make sense to appease to the 15% and a site is better off to start appeasing the 85%. We might soon be at such a point. The only thing we can all be sure about is that Nazgul and the TL admins will handle this with care, like when they made the changes to the right sidebar, moving the BW content and giving SC2 the focus the numbers and userbase demanded. There isn't a point when its so easy to check results (Liquidpedia/LR threads anyone?) and this 'spoiler tl' would ruin it for people that would rather not know that + Show Spoiler + Stephano owned On October 13 2011 07:53 vasatko2 wrote: the one who invented spoilers must had PhD. (Pernament head DAMAGE) the biggest stupid thing ever Hope thats sarcasm | ||
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vasatko2
Czech Republic28 Posts
On October 13 2011 09:01 Ixirawr wrote: Didn't read the whole thread, but, I just want to chime in: There have been studies done that show that spoilers DO NOT ruin the viewing experience. http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/08/spoilers-dont-spoil-anything.ars ^just one example. There are plenty more if you use Google. These studies are made by scientists(AKA PhD., AKA people who write cool looking statistical shit to make a money) | ||
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
Also, for what it's worth, I personally don't really care if the event is live or if I've seen the results. It's the journey not the destination. Think of it in porn terms, is there really a difference if it's live or not? | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On October 13 2011 09:13 Tyrant0 wrote: I never said anything was wrong with TL as it is. I'm refuting the logic that people who who want to see results should dig for them while OCD spoiler people can't simply watch the videos before they next check out TL. edit: also, spoiler option on forums to hide news or something You really don't have to dig for them. IEM Guangzhou > http://www.teamliquid.net/ > http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Main_Page > right side you have ALL the major tournaments. | ||
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
For real sports, you probably watch the game on TV or something (usually live), then go to the website to read more in depth about the game, the interviews/reactions etc. But for Starcraft, for most people (myself included), you come to teamliquid just to discover the results (whether it be live or looking for the VODs) since there is no other way to find the results short of bookmarking the sites that show the tournaments. You wouldn't want the results to be there in your face when you were just there to find discussion about something else. Also, there's more than one tournament happening at the same time, it's not like the Superbowl or Stanley cup finals where everyone focuses on one thing | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On October 13 2011 09:15 SpoR wrote: I've always shared the idea that having spoilers for bw/sc2 (or anything related to esports) is pretty stupid on this website. I mean, if you come here knowing full well you may be spoiled, then don't come until you've seen whatever it is. Just like you don't go to the wikipedia page about a movie you are about to go see. Also, for what it's worth, I personally don't really care if the event is live or if I've seen the results. It's the journey not the destination. Think of it in porn terms, is there really a difference if it's live or not? Think of it in sports terms, it really makes a difference if the first thing you see is DRAMATIC COMEBACK IN 59' MIN. Also most people who come to this site don't just come to check results of tournaments, so implying they shouldn't use TL until they watch every single game they haven't caught up on is silly. | ||
R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
On October 13 2011 09:15 SpoR wrote: I've always shared the idea that having spoilers for bw/sc2 (or anything related to esports) is pretty stupid on this website. I mean, if you come here knowing full well you may be spoiled, then don't come until you've seen whatever it is. Just like you don't go to the wikipedia page about a movie you are about to go see. Also, for what it's worth, I personally don't really care if the event is live or if I've seen the results. It's the journey not the destination. Think of it in porn terms, is there really a difference if it's live or not? Yeah except what if the movie you wanted to see was only on wikipedia.. When I want to view vods I come to TL because I can find everything here. I also come here for other things because this isn't exclusively a SC2 website. There's literally no point to spoilers.. All the information is still here under the spoiler tags and spoiler threads, all the vods and results of a tournament are in their designated thread.. Why is this such a big deal? Some people don't want spoilers and for the people that don't care it doesn't matter one way or another.. The information is still there.. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:37 red4ce wrote: Uh, what? Since when is news a part of the celebration? I fail to see what Teamliquid (the site) has to do with your enjoyment of SC2. Shouldn't, you know, watching the games be what gives you excitement? The tournament is over, you know who won, but you are still pumped and want to keep having that mood for a while. At the moment when the tournament is over and you go to TL, it's a bit of a downer. I want to read news then, about the things I noticed and the things I missed. At that time, when I'm totally hyped and 100% in SC2 mood, not days after. I want to share the celebration mood I'm in then with fellow community members in the comments and discuss the news articles and anything tournament related in a thread that doesn't look like spoiler spoiler spoiler. Instead have a whole spoiler news section which is 1 big spoiler, making spoiler tag there not needed and big headlines on the homepages with "Tournament X just ended, read everything about it here!!! Be warned, this is a high spoiler section" I'd love to have as much information available about the tournament I just saw. Read interviews with the players. Read lots of background info I missed while watching the tournament. Have an overview, read about drama, have links to the replays, vods etc, all in 1 spoiler news forum. | ||
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SwitchAUS
Australia106 Posts
Personally there is games that I really want to watch without spoilers, and others that I wouldn't be too fussed about. For example I would've hated to see spoilers before watching the Nestea/MVP Ro8 match (I saw it live, but whatever :D) But I would't be too fussed if say a major event was spoiled - eg i didn't watch the last MLG, but I wouldn't have cared if someone told me the winner anyway - it's a major event, so bad luck to me for not watching it live. | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
I think people just like complaining. | ||
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Handuke
Sweden48 Posts
TL is the one site I can visit without getting spoiled and that's a great thing. Don't change that! | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
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joseramirez
Mexico18 Posts
As for the spoilers per se, i don´t mind, because, unless is a live event the hype and excitement of a vod is, for me, equal if I know the results or not; and the quallity of the games themselves holds up unaltered, so I want my + Show Spoiler + Stephano JRE. | ||
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XenoX101
Australia729 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
On October 13 2011 09:26 Zandar wrote: The tournament is over, you know who won, but you are still pumped and want to keep having that mood for a while. At the moment when the tournament is over and you go to TL, it's a bit of a downer. I want to read news then, about the things I noticed and the things I missed. At that time, when I'm totally hyped and 100% in SC2 mood, not days after. I want to share the celebration mood I'm in then with fellow community members in the comments and discuss the news articles and anything tournament related in a thread that doesn't look like spoiler spoiler spoiler. Instead have a whole spoiler news section which is 1 big spoiler, making spoiler tag there not needed and big headlines on the homepages with "Tournament X just ended, read everything about it here!!! Be warned, this is a high spoiler section" I'd love to have as much information available about the tournament I just saw. Read interviews with the players. Read lots of background info I missed while watching the tournament. Have an overview, read about drama, have links to the replays, vods etc, all in 1 spoiler news forum. Chatrooms? The LR thread? TL's news coverage is a very minor part of the website's function. Despite the relatively large size of the community there are not many people with the willingness and talent to write | ||
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Shichibukai
Sweden355 Posts
On October 13 2011 09:26 Zandar wrote: The tournament is over, you know who won, but you are still pumped and want to keep having that mood for a while. At the moment when the tournament is over and you go to TL, it's a bit of a downer. I want to read news then, about the things I noticed and the things I missed. At that time, when I'm totally hyped and 100% in SC2 mood, not days after. I want to share the celebration mood I'm in then with fellow community members in the comments and discuss the news articles and anything tournament related in a thread that doesn't look like spoiler spoiler spoiler. Instead have a whole spoiler news section which is 1 big spoiler, making spoiler tag there not needed and big headlines on the homepages with "Tournament X just ended, read everything about it here!!! Be warned, this is a high spoiler section" I'd love to have as much information available about the tournament I just saw. Read interviews with the players. Read lots of background info I missed while watching the tournament. Have an overview, read about drama, have links to the replays, vods etc, all in 1 spoiler news forum. Thank you. A thread, or a subforum, where (very) recent tournaments can be discussed, everything goes. | ||
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