On October 10 2011 23:33 Gamegene wrote: “Look at the foreigners cheering for Stephano lol, they’re cheering as if they’ve found their savior”
So fuckin true.
And equally as sad, rofl.
We want to desperately believe!!!
I am afraid for zergs, they humiliated the crap out of Papa Slayer, Favorite Son, and Neglected Second son. Mavangence is going home and there will be a meeting of the terran minds, hope they are not coming to MLG, if so, hide yo drones and hide yo mutas.
It's gonna involve 3 medivacs, no 4 medivacs with hellions dropping in your main. Everyone will shit their pants.
hmm, finals were pretty bad honestly... lucky's zvz control was really bad. i can think of many foreigners zergs with much better zvz much less korean zergs. it was really frustrating to me because his other match ups didn't make me do a double take asking myself "really?" so many times the way lucky did.
i was just glad to see stephano win though, he deserved it, his road was incredible
“Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best. (Stephano vs stC)”
You can't really judge from that match, as StC is kind of bad by Korean standard :s Idra rolled him just as hard, and Idra has(imho) a better late game than Stephano, but Stephano plays a much safer early game. Stephano has the potential to be the best zerg, but as of now it is still Nestea...by pretty far too
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
Yeah I didn't understand it at all either, stephano did very heavy ling/bane pressure which failed completely cause lucky had roaches out.
His response -> take a 3rd.
Then he somehow held off a ridiculous amount of roaches and steamrolled lucky with a counter. I just didn't get it at all, just godlike play.
All I can see was his successful bling bust on roaches. He did soften the most of Lucky's roaches, and spine absorbed a lot of damages from roaches, too. He had very few roaches and he barely lost them. All he used was two spines and a lot of lings, which can be replenished from his 3 hatches.
Anyway, THAT IS FREAKING HARD TO DO. I really want to say that Stephano understand Zerg as much as Nestea, and he can be better than him later on!
When stephano has 90% wins against pro zergs (not ladder) you can start saying his zvz is close by Nestea's.
Yeah I don't think we can say from one tournament that Stephano's ZvZ and ZvP are better than NesTea's...but NesTea's ZvT has been suspect for a long time. I think Stephano's got him beat there.
How is NesTea's ZvT "suspect"? Granted, it is arguably his weakest matchup but to say it is "suspect for a long time"? NesTea is almost flawless in ZvP and ZvZ, so of course his ZvT is going to seem weaker. Seriously, I can hardly stand TL forums anymore with so many uninformed posters. Stephano took down TheSTC, a player who has just recently completed his military service (obviously hasn't been practicing rigorously). When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
I think the best quote was the one saying he plays unlike IdrA. I feel like alot of IdrA's games he would get to 4-5 bases and then start banking cash while Stephano really does macro hard all game. I see that as his biggest strength.
On October 11 2011 00:46 SupLilSon wrote: When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
ok then. stephano is a top 5 zerg in the world, discuss
On October 11 2011 00:46 SupLilSon wrote: When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
ok then. stephano is a top 5 zerg in the world, discuss
Why say anything about top in the world? Yes, he is DEFINITELY a top 5 FOREIGN zerg but until he goes to Korea and "tries" to compete in the GSL can we stop with all this best in the world talk? We can't make these broad assertions because honestly, we probably haven't even seen the extent to Stephano's ability and potential. Yea, he definitely shows the promise of being competitive in the GSL environment but don't forget, almost every hyped up foreigner who has gone to Korea has been humbled.
Think about Thorzain, after TSL people were heralding him as the best foreigner and the best foreign hope in the GSL. People were making the same ridiculous claims like, "ThorZain is surely code S material, get him to Korea now!". He is a great player but what happened to him when he went to korea? As always, the foreign community getting WAYYY too over hyped. Remember guys, the most important quality in an athlete is consistency. Let's see some more big results (which I hope we will see) from Stephano before making comparisons to a multiple time GSL winner..
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
Yeah I didn't understand it at all either, stephano did very heavy ling/bane pressure which failed completely cause lucky had roaches out.
His response -> take a 3rd.
Then he somehow held off a ridiculous amount of roaches and steamrolled lucky with a counter. I just didn't get it at all, just godlike play.
All I can see was his successful bling bust on roaches. He did soften the most of Lucky's roaches, and spine absorbed a lot of damages from roaches, too. He had very few roaches and he barely lost them. All he used was two spines and a lot of lings, which can be replenished from his 3 hatches.
Anyway, THAT IS FREAKING HARD TO DO. I really want to say that Stephano understand Zerg as much as Nestea, and he can be better than him later on!
When stephano has 90% wins against pro zergs (not ladder) you can start saying his zvz is close by Nestea's.
Yeah I don't think we can say from one tournament that Stephano's ZvZ and ZvP are better than NesTea's...but NesTea's ZvT has been suspect for a long time. I think Stephano's got him beat there.
How is NesTea's ZvT "suspect"? Granted, it is arguably his weakest matchup but to say it is "suspect for a long time"? NesTea is almost flawless in ZvP and ZvZ, so of course his ZvT is going to seem weaker. Seriously, I can hardly stand TL forums anymore with so many uninformed posters. Stephano took down TheSTC, a player who has just recently completed his military service (obviously hasn't been practicing rigorously). When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
I think the best quote was the one saying he plays unlike IdrA. I feel like alot of IdrA's games he would get to 4-5 bases and then start banking cash while Stephano really does macro hard all game. I see that as his biggest strength.
Stephano beat mma, mma beat nestea. He is definitly capable of taking game of mvp. also Stephano is not comparable to Nestea but he can beat code S players and thats ofcourse sign of top top top player
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
Yeah I didn't understand it at all either, stephano did very heavy ling/bane pressure which failed completely cause lucky had roaches out.
His response -> take a 3rd.
Then he somehow held off a ridiculous amount of roaches and steamrolled lucky with a counter. I just didn't get it at all, just godlike play.
All I can see was his successful bling bust on roaches. He did soften the most of Lucky's roaches, and spine absorbed a lot of damages from roaches, too. He had very few roaches and he barely lost them. All he used was two spines and a lot of lings, which can be replenished from his 3 hatches.
Anyway, THAT IS FREAKING HARD TO DO. I really want to say that Stephano understand Zerg as much as Nestea, and he can be better than him later on!
When stephano has 90% wins against pro zergs (not ladder) you can start saying his zvz is close by Nestea's.
Yeah I don't think we can say from one tournament that Stephano's ZvZ and ZvP are better than NesTea's...but NesTea's ZvT has been suspect for a long time. I think Stephano's got him beat there.
How is NesTea's ZvT "suspect"? Granted, it is arguably his weakest matchup but to say it is "suspect for a long time"? NesTea is almost flawless in ZvP and ZvZ, so of course his ZvT is going to seem weaker. Seriously, I can hardly stand TL forums anymore with so many uninformed posters. Stephano took down TheSTC, a player who has just recently completed his military service (obviously hasn't been practicing rigorously). When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
I think the best quote was the one saying he plays unlike IdrA. I feel like alot of IdrA's games he would get to 4-5 bases and then start banking cash while Stephano really does macro hard all game. I see that as his biggest strength.
Stephano beat mma, mma beat nestea. He is definitly capable of taking game of mvp. also Stephano is not comparable to Nestea but he can beat code S players and thats ofcourse sign of top top top player
Oh god don't pull the same A>B>C so A>C logic please.
And of course, anyone can take games off anyone, but there's no argument here that Stephano is better than Nestea. And he'd lose every BoX series he would play against MVP. StC and MMA = / = MVP.
On October 11 2011 00:46 SupLilSon wrote: How is NesTea's ZvT "suspect"? Granted, it is arguably his weakest matchup but to say it is "suspect for a long time"? NesTea is almost flawless in ZvP and ZvZ, so of course his ZvT is going to seem weaker. Seriously, I can hardly stand TL forums anymore with so many uninformed posters. Stephano took down TheSTC, a player who has just recently completed his military service (obviously hasn't been practicing rigorously). When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
Thing is, NesTea also loses games to players like Virus (wtf?) in silly ways, and just doesn't look AS solid in ZvT. Sure, he's amazing in it, because he is Professor Tea, but he's far from being outstanding in that match-up. Now that DRG's ZvT style seems to have been figured out - fast 2base Lair then Mutas - (along with MMA's, incidentally, from the look of things), there is no out and out winner on the ZvT front.
It's too early yet to say whether Stephano really is THAT good, but his ZvT is pretty much unique in high level play, he doesn't have any real flaws (MAYBE he plays too safe with the number of expansions?) in his play and he looks just really solid. I would indeed like to see Stephano vs MVP, and indeed Stephano vs Nestea, but until then it can't be judged objectively at all.
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
Yeah I didn't understand it at all either, stephano did very heavy ling/bane pressure which failed completely cause lucky had roaches out.
His response -> take a 3rd.
Then he somehow held off a ridiculous amount of roaches and steamrolled lucky with a counter. I just didn't get it at all, just godlike play.
All I can see was his successful bling bust on roaches. He did soften the most of Lucky's roaches, and spine absorbed a lot of damages from roaches, too. He had very few roaches and he barely lost them. All he used was two spines and a lot of lings, which can be replenished from his 3 hatches.
Anyway, THAT IS FREAKING HARD TO DO. I really want to say that Stephano understand Zerg as much as Nestea, and he can be better than him later on!
When stephano has 90% wins against pro zergs (not ladder) you can start saying his zvz is close by Nestea's.
Yeah I don't think we can say from one tournament that Stephano's ZvZ and ZvP are better than NesTea's...but NesTea's ZvT has been suspect for a long time. I think Stephano's got him beat there.
How is NesTea's ZvT "suspect"? Granted, it is arguably his weakest matchup but to say it is "suspect for a long time"? NesTea is almost flawless in ZvP and ZvZ, so of course his ZvT is going to seem weaker. Seriously, I can hardly stand TL forums anymore with so many uninformed posters. Stephano took down TheSTC, a player who has just recently completed his military service (obviously hasn't been practicing rigorously). When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
I think the best quote was the one saying he plays unlike IdrA. I feel like alot of IdrA's games he would get to 4-5 bases and then start banking cash while Stephano really does macro hard all game. I see that as his biggest strength.
Stephano beat mma, mma beat nestea. He is definitly capable of taking game of mvp. also Stephano is not comparable to Nestea but he can beat code S players and thats ofcourse sign of top top top player
Stephano took games over MMA in an online qulifier, in a shitty time for him, with delay. That delay is even worse for him because he plays such an aggressive style. That's not proof of him being Code S
On October 11 2011 00:46 SupLilSon wrote: When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
ok then. stephano is a top 5 zerg in the world, discuss
Why say anything about top in the world? Yes, he is DEFINITELY a top 5 FOREIGN zerg but until he goes to Korea and "tries" to compete in the GSL can we stop with all this best in the world talk?
but civilised discussion about theoreticals is interesting. he was definitely a top 5 foreign zerg even before ipl (personally i had it as between him and sen for the best, now it's not close), but how many really dominant korean zergs are there? nestea obv, losira also obviously highly rated, same with DRG (although imo he's the most overrated player in the world right now), then who else? july? leenock? curious? check? zenio?
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