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Its pretty much the only thing I'd watch ESPN for.
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OMG THIS IS EPIC get everyone u nkow!
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On October 01 2011 10:31 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:23 jonathan1 wrote:
people are totally missing the point. Sundance is asking IF starcraft was on TV, WOULD YOU WATCH IT?
and the answer for a lot of people is --No. Why would i watch on TV what I can already watch online in a more comfortable setting?
you are missing the point. as a fledgling industry, we need to promote the shit out of esports anywhere we can. motherfucking espn 2? just say yes. thats the point.
No, that's wrong.
Read Seides post, he explains extremely well why that's a bad way to promote Starcraft.
That's just a premature view on the matter, without taking the long term success into consideration.
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Yes, but you'd be best off only showing maybe top 8 and you'd have to cut down on the downtime between matches.
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The problem comes with commercials. Are you going to take a 5 min break in the middle of an hour long game. Sponsors don't like not getting the advertising they paid for.
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On October 01 2011 10:35 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 10:34 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:29 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 10:18 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:10 Seide wrote:On October 01 2011 10:02 Pisko. wrote:On October 01 2011 09:58 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:43 nitdkim wrote:
Internet stream is good enough for me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:44 Seide wrote:
I would love to say "yes" because if it happened it would be a big step forward.
Unfortunately if I did say so, I would be lying as I highly prefer streams and haven't touched actual TV for a few years. This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. Think like what? An honorable person? I simply gave my honest answer as to why I would not watch it. No need to attack me for it. Would I love to see this happen? Yes. Would I personally watch it on ESPN2? No. You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. I do want e-sports to progress into the mainstream. That does not mean I am personally interested in watching it on a television network. I would be happy to see it there, but I would not watch it. I believe the question was: "StarCraft on ESPN2... Would you tune in?" not "Would you like to see StarCraft featured on ESPN2?" As you see these are very different questions. Please stop using the "If you are not with us you are against us" argument and attacking people because you cannot handle their opinion. It doesn't matter if you personally aren't going to watch it, just say yes. Why would you not want to push this as much as possible? This isn't just about you, putting SC2 on TV will attract a whole new crowd and greatly expand the scene. Simple, because Starcraft 2's success on ESPN is not a 100% gurantee. Lets run through this scenario: Ok, so I vote yes. SC2 goes on ESPN2, I don't watch it. SC2 does not do well on ESPN for some reason, eg: many still preferring streams or whatnot, reasons can be many and complicated. Thanks to my lies to for the sake of esports, esports is actually worse off, as a second chance is harder to get. I'd rather vote no, and voice my opinion as to why, so that my reasons can possibly be taken into account. I am not willing to blindly trudge on for esports or anything for that matter, it is not my way as a person. If enough people are interested it will still happen, I am in the minority, but a minority that exists and should be represented. What is the difference between now and whenever you think it should be on TV? I'm not the person to ask this question of, as I have said clearly that I am not interested in watching it on TV. Is the concept of being unwilling to lie for a random cause that difficult to understand and respect?
Not lying is 100% respectable, I never said that was a bad thing. I'm just afraid this could be our only chance and I don't want it to go wrong.
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I appreciate the hard work Sundance is doing but I think MLG should pace themselves a bit. The large tournaments are great, but they still need some work to make them ESPN ready.
If a deal of some sort were to ever go through I would truly believe it would be make or break for ESPORTS on TV (In NA/EU of course)
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On October 01 2011 10:38 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:35 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 10:34 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:29 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 10:18 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:10 Seide wrote:On October 01 2011 10:02 Pisko. wrote:On October 01 2011 09:58 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:43 nitdkim wrote:
Internet stream is good enough for me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:44 Seide wrote:
I would love to say "yes" because if it happened it would be a big step forward.
Unfortunately if I did say so, I would be lying as I highly prefer streams and haven't touched actual TV for a few years. This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. Think like what? An honorable person? I simply gave my honest answer as to why I would not watch it. No need to attack me for it. Would I love to see this happen? Yes. Would I personally watch it on ESPN2? No. You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. I do want e-sports to progress into the mainstream. That does not mean I am personally interested in watching it on a television network. I would be happy to see it there, but I would not watch it. I believe the question was: "StarCraft on ESPN2... Would you tune in?" not "Would you like to see StarCraft featured on ESPN2?" As you see these are very different questions. Please stop using the "If you are not with us you are against us" argument and attacking people because you cannot handle their opinion. It doesn't matter if you personally aren't going to watch it, just say yes. Why would you not want to push this as much as possible? This isn't just about you, putting SC2 on TV will attract a whole new crowd and greatly expand the scene. Simple, because Starcraft 2's success on ESPN is not a 100% gurantee. Lets run through this scenario: Ok, so I vote yes. SC2 goes on ESPN2, I don't watch it. SC2 does not do well on ESPN for some reason, eg: many still preferring streams or whatnot, reasons can be many and complicated. Thanks to my lies to for the sake of esports, esports is actually worse off, as a second chance is harder to get. I'd rather vote no, and voice my opinion as to why, so that my reasons can possibly be taken into account. I am not willing to blindly trudge on for esports or anything for that matter, it is not my way as a person. If enough people are interested it will still happen, I am in the minority, but a minority that exists and should be represented. What is the difference between now and whenever you think it should be on TV? I'm not the person to ask this question of, as I have said clearly that I am not interested in watching it on TV. Is the concept of being unwilling to lie for a random cause that difficult to understand and respect? Not lying is 100% respectable, I never said that was a bad thing. I'm just afraid this could be our only chance and I don't want it to go wrong.
I can respect that, so lets just pocket our differences. We both want what's good for Starcraft.
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i love the completely useless pool on this page lol
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I think yes, but It would have to be with commentators that are more serious I feel, and less nerdy. I mean, if it's in espn, I'd expect professionalism when commentating, and not commentators saying newb and lol, and making random jokes all the time. It would have to be commentating that took the game seriously, like other sports. If the commentators joke around too much, people won't take the game seriously. A few small jokes here and there are okay, again like in other sports, but the game needs to be spoken about SERIOUSLY.
I'd obviously tune in regardless of what they did though.
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I don't think they will do a trial run of sc2 with a whole MLG tournament weekend. Whatever is done is going to be a very calculated and probably not even live. I don't think Sundance is going to just have ESPN start broadcasting MLGs. Thats a whole lot of time for ESPN to be airing anything, especially something brand new.
Think smaller at first.
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I would absolutely watch it on ESPN. In fact I would go to a bar and explain everything to everyone who was interested.
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On October 01 2011 10:31 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:23 jonathan1 wrote:
people are totally missing the point. Sundance is asking IF starcraft was on TV, WOULD YOU WATCH IT?
and the answer for a lot of people is --No. Why would i watch on TV what I can already watch online in a more comfortable setting?
you are missing the point. as a fledgling industry, we need to promote the shit out of esports anywhere we can. motherfucking espn 2? just say yes. thats the point.
wouldn't you want its birth to be healthy? or are you more inclined to agree with quarterly profit-types?
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On October 01 2011 10:48 funcmode wrote:I didn't read all 20 pages so apologies if this was brought up, but do people not remember this awesome piece by Kennigit?
sure, however that is 1 man's opinion out of a legion of fans
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On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:43 nitdkim wrote:
Internet stream is good enough for me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:44 Seide wrote:
I would love to say "yes" because if it happened it would be a big step forward.
Unfortunately if I did say so, I would be lying as I highly prefer streams and haven't touched actual TV for a few years. This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this.
I don't think him being honest is him being selfish lol. Why lie? What if his vote is counted in a ## of expected viewers. If everyone voted yes not intending to watch how would that look?
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I would watch, but I don't have tv stations...if I can stream it though I will support.
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On October 01 2011 10:49 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:31 nath wrote:On October 01 2011 10:23 jonathan1 wrote:
people are totally missing the point. Sundance is asking IF starcraft was on TV, WOULD YOU WATCH IT?
and the answer for a lot of people is --No. Why would i watch on TV what I can already watch online in a more comfortable setting?
you are missing the point. as a fledgling industry, we need to promote the shit out of esports anywhere we can. motherfucking espn 2? just say yes. thats the point. wouldn't you want its birth to be healthy? or are you more inclined to agree with quarterly profit-types?
that's just the way it goes... if you don't advertise your product you'll be forever proud and forever broke. why do you think ESPORTS is all that special, even though it contains the only uppercase letters in this post
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