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Seide
United States831 Posts
On October 01 2011 09:17 feanor1 wrote: Soccer is a sport with very little downtime, and they make it work. Soccer is also the #1 sport in the world. Starcraft is a spec of dust compared to it. Soccer's play time is also standardized(excluding some cup finals), not random 5-50 minute matches, so your point about soccer is a bit moot. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
Also asking this on a Starcraft board - Don't you think that the results would be a little biased? xd | ||
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DKo
United States187 Posts
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Sith Inquisitor
Germany113 Posts
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PeachTea
United States149 Posts
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
i will NOT give my seal of approval on that, because i've been an MMA fan since the 90's as well as other sports and i have seen what TV production does and can do to your lovechild of a niche sport. because of my experience having seen things grow massively in some ways and die painfully in others, i am not so hasty to give my blind support. i've seen the leeches that came out of the woodwork after The Ultimate Fighter season 1 finale, where everyone got big eyes full of dollar signs. i love the grass roots small business feel that esports still has, and if i have to sacrifice it for additional fame, or convenience, or higher costs which i have to pay for simply because of supply and demand, i don't want it. if sundance can keep his balls from getting snipped and not compromise the things that the community loves about esports and MLG, and let ESPN do what it is good at without essentially buying the product out, i will become cautiously optimistic. anything less than that and this entire community is incredibly naive as to what both the positive and negative consequences will be. i understand that something like this can potentially make esports mainstream, but i question every day as to whether that is actually what matters and what sacrifices i am comfortable making to see that happen. edit: having also seen MLG's dealings with Halo 2, that was an overall good thing in my opinion. should just throw that out there. ESPN respected that they didn't quite know how to run it, MLG tried to show them the strings in the live events while they created an excellent TV production from MLG reruns. i feel like this project is much more ambitious, though, and it kind of scares me. | ||
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Baker75
United States8 Posts
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Pisko.
United States214 Posts
On October 01 2011 09:43 nitdkim wrote: Internet stream is good enough for me. On October 01 2011 09:44 Seide wrote: I would love to say "yes" because if it happened it would be a big step forward. Unfortunately if I did say so, I would be lying as I highly prefer streams and haven't touched actual TV for a few years. This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote: This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. To think like what? An honest person? I simply gave my honest answer as to why I would not watch it. No need to try attack me for it. Would I love to see this happen? Yes. Would I personally watch it on ESPN2? No. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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Cyrak
Canada536 Posts
On many days of the week I've got better things to do than sit on my ass during prime time and watch Starcraft games. I am really dubious about the 96% figure. I think it would have been better to have a qualified answer option like "depends". That is the category I'd fit into because I'd be willing to tune in if it was on at a convenient time and I had nothing better to do. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
Is anyone here part of the Nielsen family, and if you are make sure you set your box to say that 5 people are watching when you are watching it , that can make a huge difference as Nielsen extrapolates the numbers from 50,000 households that are part of the "Nielsen Family" to the number of tv's in north america (households with tv's rather) | ||
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Pisko.
United States214 Posts
On October 01 2011 09:58 Seide wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote: This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. Think like what? An honorable person? I simply gave my honest answer as to why I would not watch it. No need to attack me for it. Would I love to see this happen? Yes. Would I personally watch it on ESPN2? No. You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On October 01 2011 10:02 Pisko. wrote: You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. Everyone would love this to happen, but the question was "would you watch it?" and not "do you want it to happen?". He just answered honestly. | ||
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Seravasi
United States1 Post
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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stormchaser
Canada1009 Posts
On October 01 2011 10:04 Zephirdd wrote: Everyone would love this to happen, but the question was "would you watch it?" and not "do you want it to happen?". He just answered honestly. I'm gonna step in here and say yes he did answer it honestly, but its obvious that the question implies much more than ''Would YOU watch it?'' | ||
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nohbrows
United States653 Posts
Television does not have the same experience an internet stream can give you, nor the freedom that it gives you either. If this is about wanting to make SC2 mainstream, then I think that SC2 must attempt to make watching internet streams, and internet television in general more mainstream. Make people see how much of a benefit it is to watch things on the internet than over cable. And its bloody expensive to get cable. Why pay more when the internet can do what TV can do, and better?? | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On October 01 2011 10:02 Pisko. wrote: You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. I do want e-sports to progress into the mainstream. That does not mean I am personally interested in watching it on a television network. I would be happy to see it there, but I would not watch it. I believe the question was: "StarCraft on ESPN2... Would you tune in?" not "Would you like to see StarCraft featured on ESPN2?" As you see these are very different questions. Please stop using the "If you are not with us you are against us" argument and attacking people because you cannot handle their opinion. | ||
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