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OH MY FUCK. YES YES YES YES YESS
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IS THIS EVEN A QUESTION??
Of course!!
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Cool, I can finally (and hopefully) put my HD Sports package to use. 
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It'd probably be good for esports... I wouldn't really care that much since I watch enough streams already, not sure if I have ESPN2. Seems like a pretty good idea, though.
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It'd be awesome. They need to promote it in the right places and sites and I think they could potentially get a lot of viewers. I wonder how many people are tuned into the World Series of Poker and if it could/would be comparable.
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On October 01 2011 10:10 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:02 Pisko. wrote:On October 01 2011 09:58 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:43 nitdkim wrote:
Internet stream is good enough for me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:44 Seide wrote:
I would love to say "yes" because if it happened it would be a big step forward.
Unfortunately if I did say so, I would be lying as I highly prefer streams and haven't touched actual TV for a few years. This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. Think like what? An honorable person? I simply gave my honest answer as to why I would not watch it. No need to attack me for it. Would I love to see this happen? Yes. Would I personally watch it on ESPN2? No. You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. I do want e-sports to progress into the mainstream. That does not mean I am personally interested in watching it on a television network. I would be happy to see it there, but I would not watch it. I believe the question was: "StarCraft on ESPN2... Would you tune in?" not "Would you like to see StarCraft featured on ESPN2?" As you see these are very different questions. Please stop using the "If you are not with us you are against us" argument and attacking people because you cannot handle their opinion.
It doesn't matter if you personally aren't going to watch it, just say yes. Why would you not want to push this as much as possible?
This isn't just about you, putting SC2 on TV will attract a whole new crowd and greatly expand the scene.
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On October 01 2011 10:18 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:10 Seide wrote:On October 01 2011 10:02 Pisko. wrote:On October 01 2011 09:58 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:43 nitdkim wrote:
Internet stream is good enough for me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:44 Seide wrote:
I would love to say "yes" because if it happened it would be a big step forward.
Unfortunately if I did say so, I would be lying as I highly prefer streams and haven't touched actual TV for a few years. This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. Think like what? An honorable person? I simply gave my honest answer as to why I would not watch it. No need to attack me for it. Would I love to see this happen? Yes. Would I personally watch it on ESPN2? No. You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. I do want e-sports to progress into the mainstream. That does not mean I am personally interested in watching it on a television network. I would be happy to see it there, but I would not watch it. I believe the question was: "StarCraft on ESPN2... Would you tune in?" not "Would you like to see StarCraft featured on ESPN2?" As you see these are very different questions. Please stop using the "If you are not with us you are against us" argument and attacking people because you cannot handle their opinion. It doesn't matter if you personally aren't going to watch it, just say yes. Why would you not want to push this as much as possible? This isn't just about you, putting SC2 on TV will attract a whole new crowd and greatly expand the scene.
While I partially agree with, exposing a new audience to SCII would be great, the danger is that they try this out and don't get enough viewers, thus canning any future opportunity.
tl;dr ESPN and their advertisers likely have a bottom line related to viewership. While I'm up for the idea, I'd rather not do it prematurely. We want enough people to watch so I think that will require mobilizing many of the diehards.
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Did this get any attention on Reddit? If not, I doubt ESPN would buy airing rights to MLG (which is what I only assume Sundance was talking about. The problem is that MLG takes place on the weekend- when ESPN2 already has tons of great stuff lined up (college football anyone?)
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On October 01 2011 10:18 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:10 Seide wrote:On October 01 2011 10:02 Pisko. wrote:On October 01 2011 09:58 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:43 nitdkim wrote:
Internet stream is good enough for me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:44 Seide wrote:
I would love to say "yes" because if it happened it would be a big step forward.
Unfortunately if I did say so, I would be lying as I highly prefer streams and haven't touched actual TV for a few years. This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. Think like what? An honorable person? I simply gave my honest answer as to why I would not watch it. No need to attack me for it. Would I love to see this happen? Yes. Would I personally watch it on ESPN2? No. You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. I do want e-sports to progress into the mainstream. That does not mean I am personally interested in watching it on a television network. I would be happy to see it there, but I would not watch it. I believe the question was: "StarCraft on ESPN2... Would you tune in?" not "Would you like to see StarCraft featured on ESPN2?" As you see these are very different questions. Please stop using the "If you are not with us you are against us" argument and attacking people because you cannot handle their opinion. It doesn't matter if you personally aren't going to watch it, just say yes. Why would you not want to push this as much as possible? This isn't just about you, putting SC2 on TV will attract a whole new crowd and greatly expand the scene.
You prefer lying to what may be the future promoters or sponsors of esports? You need to realise that you he isn't heliong anyone by lying about a simple question. This is a interest check, not some sort of vote yes even if you aren't going to watch it so when it does happen, few tunes in and promoters are dissapointed and never give it any attention again.
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that would be crazy awesome, but who, aside from us, would watch it?
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people are totally missing the point. Sundance is asking IF starcraft was on TV, WOULD YOU WATCH IT?
and the answer for a lot of people is --No. Why would i watch on TV what I can already watch online in a more comfortable setting?
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I would love this, I usually spend about an hour a day after coming back from classes to just watch tv and frequently I have been watching sports center if its about a game I'm gonna watch over the weekend (football). If starcraft 2 was on, I think I'll be upgrading "frequently" to every fucking day. (well unless I have something that actually needs to get done...)
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ummmm would starcraft fan woudlnt? hell fuckin yea!!!!
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i'm sure the execs are wondering if this will be like the current poker/games stuff(there's freakin backgammon on tv sometimes...) which I don't find very expandable beyond their own niches.
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On October 01 2011 10:18 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:10 Seide wrote:On October 01 2011 10:02 Pisko. wrote:On October 01 2011 09:58 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:43 nitdkim wrote:
Internet stream is good enough for me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:44 Seide wrote:
I would love to say "yes" because if it happened it would be a big step forward.
Unfortunately if I did say so, I would be lying as I highly prefer streams and haven't touched actual TV for a few years. This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. Think like what? An honorable person? I simply gave my honest answer as to why I would not watch it. No need to attack me for it. Would I love to see this happen? Yes. Would I personally watch it on ESPN2? No. You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. I do want e-sports to progress into the mainstream. That does not mean I am personally interested in watching it on a television network. I would be happy to see it there, but I would not watch it. I believe the question was: "StarCraft on ESPN2... Would you tune in?" not "Would you like to see StarCraft featured on ESPN2?" As you see these are very different questions. Please stop using the "If you are not with us you are against us" argument and attacking people because you cannot handle their opinion. It doesn't matter if you personally aren't going to watch it, just say yes. Why would you not want to push this as much as possible? This isn't just about you, putting SC2 on TV will attract a whole new crowd and greatly expand the scene.
Simple, because Starcraft 2's success on ESPN is not a 100% gurantee.
I'd rather vote no, and voice my opinion as to why, so that my reasons can possibly be taken into account. Even though it is unpopular, I am not willing to blindly trudge on for esports or anything for that matter, it is not my way as a person.
If enough people are interested it will happen, I am in the minority, but a minority that exists and should be represented.
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On October 01 2011 10:23 jonathan1 wrote:
people are totally missing the point. Sundance is asking IF starcraft was on TV, WOULD YOU WATCH IT?
and the answer for a lot of people is --No. Why would i watch on TV what I can already watch online in a more comfortable setting?
you are missing the point.
as a fledgling industry, we need to promote the shit out of esports anywhere we can. motherfucking espn 2? just say yes. thats the point.
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On October 01 2011 10:29 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:18 Pisko. wrote:On October 01 2011 10:10 Seide wrote:On October 01 2011 10:02 Pisko. wrote:On October 01 2011 09:58 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:43 nitdkim wrote:
Internet stream is good enough for me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:44 Seide wrote:
I would love to say "yes" because if it happened it would be a big step forward.
Unfortunately if I did say so, I would be lying as I highly prefer streams and haven't touched actual TV for a few years. This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. Think like what? An honorable person? I simply gave my honest answer as to why I would not watch it. No need to attack me for it. Would I love to see this happen? Yes. Would I personally watch it on ESPN2? No. You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. I do want e-sports to progress into the mainstream. That does not mean I am personally interested in watching it on a television network. I would be happy to see it there, but I would not watch it. I believe the question was: "StarCraft on ESPN2... Would you tune in?" not "Would you like to see StarCraft featured on ESPN2?" As you see these are very different questions. Please stop using the "If you are not with us you are against us" argument and attacking people because you cannot handle their opinion. It doesn't matter if you personally aren't going to watch it, just say yes. Why would you not want to push this as much as possible? This isn't just about you, putting SC2 on TV will attract a whole new crowd and greatly expand the scene. Simple, because Starcraft 2's success on ESPN is not a 100% gurantee. Lets run through this scenario: Ok, so I vote yes. SC2 goes on ESPN2, I don't watch it. SC2 does not do well on ESPN for some reason, eg: many still preferring streams or whatnot, reasons can be many and complicated. Thanks to my lies to for the sake of esports, esports is actually worse off, as a second chance is harder to get. I'd rather vote no, and voice my opinion as to why, so that my reasons can possibly be taken into account. Even though it is unpopular, I am not willing to blindly trudge on for esports or anything for that matter, it is not my way as a person. If enough people are interested it will still happen, I am in the minority, but a minority that exists and should be represented.
fear of failure holds us back more than anything.
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On October 01 2011 10:32 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:29 Seide wrote:On October 01 2011 10:18 Pisko. wrote:On October 01 2011 10:10 Seide wrote:On October 01 2011 10:02 Pisko. wrote:On October 01 2011 09:58 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:43 nitdkim wrote:
Internet stream is good enough for me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:44 Seide wrote:
I would love to say "yes" because if it happened it would be a big step forward.
Unfortunately if I did say so, I would be lying as I highly prefer streams and haven't touched actual TV for a few years. This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. Think like what? An honorable person? I simply gave my honest answer as to why I would not watch it. No need to attack me for it. Would I love to see this happen? Yes. Would I personally watch it on ESPN2? No. You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. I do want e-sports to progress into the mainstream. That does not mean I am personally interested in watching it on a television network. I would be happy to see it there, but I would not watch it. I believe the question was: "StarCraft on ESPN2... Would you tune in?" not "Would you like to see StarCraft featured on ESPN2?" As you see these are very different questions. Please stop using the "If you are not with us you are against us" argument and attacking people because you cannot handle their opinion. It doesn't matter if you personally aren't going to watch it, just say yes. Why would you not want to push this as much as possible? This isn't just about you, putting SC2 on TV will attract a whole new crowd and greatly expand the scene. Simple, because Starcraft 2's success on ESPN is not a 100% gurantee. Lets run through this scenario: Ok, so I vote yes. SC2 goes on ESPN2, I don't watch it. SC2 does not do well on ESPN for some reason, eg: many still preferring streams or whatnot, reasons can be many and complicated. Thanks to my lies to for the sake of esports, esports is actually worse off, as a second chance is harder to get. I'd rather vote no, and voice my opinion as to why, so that my reasons can possibly be taken into account. Even though it is unpopular, I am not willing to blindly trudge on for esports or anything for that matter, it is not my way as a person. If enough people are interested it will still happen, I am in the minority, but a minority that exists and should be represented. fear of failure holds us back more than anything.
Actual failure holds us back too.
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On October 01 2011 10:29 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 10:18 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:10 Seide wrote:On October 01 2011 10:02 Pisko. wrote:On October 01 2011 09:58 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:43 nitdkim wrote:
Internet stream is good enough for me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:44 Seide wrote:
I would love to say "yes" because if it happened it would be a big step forward.
Unfortunately if I did say so, I would be lying as I highly prefer streams and haven't touched actual TV for a few years. This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. Think like what? An honorable person? I simply gave my honest answer as to why I would not watch it. No need to attack me for it. Would I love to see this happen? Yes. Would I personally watch it on ESPN2? No. You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. I do want e-sports to progress into the mainstream. That does not mean I am personally interested in watching it on a television network. I would be happy to see it there, but I would not watch it. I believe the question was: "StarCraft on ESPN2... Would you tune in?" not "Would you like to see StarCraft featured on ESPN2?" As you see these are very different questions. Please stop using the "If you are not with us you are against us" argument and attacking people because you cannot handle their opinion. It doesn't matter if you personally aren't going to watch it, just say yes. Why would you not want to push this as much as possible? This isn't just about you, putting SC2 on TV will attract a whole new crowd and greatly expand the scene. Simple, because Starcraft 2's success on ESPN is not a 100% gurantee. Lets run through this scenario: Ok, so I vote yes. SC2 goes on ESPN2, I don't watch it. SC2 does not do well on ESPN for some reason, eg: many still preferring streams or whatnot, reasons can be many and complicated. Thanks to my lies to for the sake of esports, esports is actually worse off, as a second chance is harder to get. I'd rather vote no, and voice my opinion as to why, so that my reasons can possibly be taken into account. I am not willing to blindly trudge on for esports or anything for that matter, it is not my way as a person. If enough people are interested it will still happen, I am in the minority, but a minority that exists and should be represented.
What is the difference between now and whenever you think it should be on TV?
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On October 01 2011 10:34 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:29 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 10:18 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 10:10 Seide wrote:On October 01 2011 10:02 Pisko. wrote:On October 01 2011 09:58 Seide wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 09:57 Pisko. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:43 nitdkim wrote:
Internet stream is good enough for me. Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 09:44 Seide wrote:
I would love to say "yes" because if it happened it would be a big step forward.
Unfortunately if I did say so, I would be lying as I highly prefer streams and haven't touched actual TV for a few years. This isn't just about you, this is for the players and the progression of the game. Saying garbage like this is extremely selfish. Being on TV makes the game more popular. It attracts people who normally wouldn't even know what a Zealot or Marauder even is. This brings in sponsors. Sponsors = money. Players start getting paid more as the game gets taken more seriously. There is literally nothing bad that can happen. If it fails we go back to streaming like we always do, oh well at least we tried. You don't even want to try, which I just can't understand why. It's almost depressing to see people actually think like this. Think like what? An honorable person? I simply gave my honest answer as to why I would not watch it. No need to attack me for it. Would I love to see this happen? Yes. Would I personally watch it on ESPN2? No. You think you're honorable because you don't want eSports to progress further into mainstream? And no it wasn't just you, I don't feel like quoting every negative post. I do want e-sports to progress into the mainstream. That does not mean I am personally interested in watching it on a television network. I would be happy to see it there, but I would not watch it. I believe the question was: "StarCraft on ESPN2... Would you tune in?" not "Would you like to see StarCraft featured on ESPN2?" As you see these are very different questions. Please stop using the "If you are not with us you are against us" argument and attacking people because you cannot handle their opinion. It doesn't matter if you personally aren't going to watch it, just say yes. Why would you not want to push this as much as possible? This isn't just about you, putting SC2 on TV will attract a whole new crowd and greatly expand the scene. Simple, because Starcraft 2's success on ESPN is not a 100% gurantee. Lets run through this scenario: Ok, so I vote yes. SC2 goes on ESPN2, I don't watch it. SC2 does not do well on ESPN for some reason, eg: many still preferring streams or whatnot, reasons can be many and complicated. Thanks to my lies to for the sake of esports, esports is actually worse off, as a second chance is harder to get. I'd rather vote no, and voice my opinion as to why, so that my reasons can possibly be taken into account. I am not willing to blindly trudge on for esports or anything for that matter, it is not my way as a person. If enough people are interested it will still happen, I am in the minority, but a minority that exists and should be represented. What is the difference between now and whenever you think it should be on TV?
I'm not the person to ask this question of, as I have said clearly that I am not interested in watching it on TV.
Is the concept of being unwilling to lie for a random cause that difficult to understand and respect?
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