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[Poll] Best Foreigner? - Page 5

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Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 16:16:44
September 24 2011 16:15 GMT
#81
On September 25 2011 01:12 LionKiNG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 01:04 Hazuc wrote:
Thorzain for T
Huk for P
IdrA for Z

Can't believe people voted for Stephano. He hasn't prove himself yet.


Proof? He is classes above IdrA, he is roflstomping best korean TvZ players, so seriously...u can have opinion that IdrA is best but saying something like that for such a talent and person that PROVEN himself in last 2 months is stupid.


For real? Online?

When will people get it in their head that playing against Koreans online holds little to no truth what so ever? Take TSL for an example. How many people beat Koreans in there? Then using your logic those Foreigners > Koreans

Look at the past 3 / 4 months, how many foreigners have beat Koreans at Lans? Not as many as the TSL results would have you thinking.

I have nothing against Stephano I think though that people give him too much credit, he will be the future of Zerg but he isn't just yet for a reason because he's not ready for it.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
September 24 2011 16:17 GMT
#82
Jinro not on there -.-
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Glon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States569 Posts
September 24 2011 16:17 GMT
#83
Sen closely followed by thorzain
@QuanticGlon https://twitter.com/QuanticGlon
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
September 24 2011 16:17 GMT
#84
ThorZaIN for T and overall.
NaNiwa for P.
Sen for Z, likely Stephano very soon though.
#freeshauni
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 16:20:03
September 24 2011 16:18 GMT
#85
On September 25 2011 01:14 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 01:12 LionKiNG wrote:
On September 25 2011 01:04 Hazuc wrote:
Thorzain for T
Huk for P
IdrA for Z

Can't believe people voted for Stephano. He hasn't prove himself yet.


Proof? He is classes above IdrA, he is roflstomping best korean TvZ players, so seriously...u can have opinion that IdrA is best but saying something like that for such a talent and person that PROVEN himself in last 2 months is stupid.


In online tournaments. All sorts of weird and wonderful things happen in online tournaments which don't happen at LAN's.

Stephano still needs to prove himself at a Dreamhack or MLG like Huk did.


Well, to be honest in the last two offline tournaments both of them attended, Stephano placed higher than HuK, plus he beat him at Homestory Cup.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
September 24 2011 16:18 GMT
#86
Ahahah the idra hate is pretty funny.
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
September 24 2011 16:18 GMT
#87
On September 25 2011 01:06 TheBanana wrote:

ZvZ: Nerchio
ZvT: Stephano
ZvP: Nerchio
TvP: Thorzain
TvT: SjoW (It used to be, not sure now)
TvZ: Thorzain
PvP: Huk/Naniwa
PvT: Mana
PvZ: Huk

Mana's PvZ and PvP > Huk bro
SaSe fan club manager
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
September 24 2011 16:18 GMT
#88
On September 25 2011 01:14 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 01:06 TheBanana wrote:

ZvZ: Nerchio
ZvT: Stephano
ZvP: Nerchio
TvP: Thorzain
TvT: SjoW (It used to be, not sure now)
TvZ: Thorzain
PvP: Huk/Naniwa
PvT: Mana
PvZ: Huk


Agree, the only matchups I'm not that sure about are TvT and PvZ, it's really hard to say who's the best there.

As for the poll, I voted Thorzain as best, IdrA as not belonging on the list and Nerchio as most deserving to be on the list, as evidenced by the fact that I'd give him the title of best Zerg in two of three matchups.


I agree, the TvT and PvZ I'm not sure about.
I have some doubts about the ZvP as well, the other 6 I feel strongly about.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
September 24 2011 16:18 GMT
#89
Major should definitely be on the list.

He may not be a likable or respectable person but hes hands down the best NA Terran and has a 63% overall win ratio (78% in TvT).

Also, hes only lost 3 sets the past 2 months.
Hazuc
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada471 Posts
September 24 2011 16:19 GMT
#90
On September 25 2011 01:06 Lunas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 01:04 Hazuc wrote:
Thorzain for T
Huk for P
IdrA for Z

Can't believe people voted for Stephano. He hasn't prove himself yet.


Idra over Sen,Stephano and Dimaga? plz provide some evidence to backup that claim?


- Qualified for every GSL Open Season and made it to the round of 8 during GSL January
- Won IPL Season 1
- Won MLG D.C.
- He's the only foreigner that managed to make a top 4 to a MLG since the koreans started to compete there
- etc.
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
September 24 2011 16:19 GMT
#91
Uuuh, SelecT is not American.
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
September 24 2011 16:20 GMT
#92
Does Sen even play on the KR ladder anymore now that he is full time Taiwan?

If he doesn't, then he is NOT the best foriegn anymore and will slowly slip off the radar like every other non-kr training foreigner.
LeibSaiLeib
Profile Joined October 2010
173 Posts
September 24 2011 16:20 GMT
#93
On September 25 2011 01:19 MrMercuG wrote:
Uuuh, SelecT is not American.


and americans are europeans
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 24 2011 16:20 GMT
#94
On September 25 2011 01:19 Hazuc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 01:06 Lunas wrote:
On September 25 2011 01:04 Hazuc wrote:
Thorzain for T
Huk for P
IdrA for Z

Can't believe people voted for Stephano. He hasn't prove himself yet.


Idra over Sen,Stephano and Dimaga? plz provide some evidence to backup that claim?


- Qualified for every GSL Open Season and made it to the round of 8 during GSL January
- Won IPL Season 1
- Won MLG D.C.
- He's the only foreigner that managed to make a top 4 to a MLG since the koreans started to compete there
- etc.


What has he done for us lately.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
September 24 2011 16:22 GMT
#95
On September 25 2011 01:19 Hazuc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 01:06 Lunas wrote:
On September 25 2011 01:04 Hazuc wrote:
Thorzain for T
Huk for P
IdrA for Z

Can't believe people voted for Stephano. He hasn't prove himself yet.


Idra over Sen,Stephano and Dimaga? plz provide some evidence to backup that claim?


- Qualified for every GSL Open Season and made it to the round of 8 during GSL January
- Won IPL Season 1
- Won MLG D.C.
- He's the only foreigner that managed to make a top 4 to a MLG since the koreans started to compete there
- etc.



IdrA's results have been dipping massively recently, and right now hes nowhere near the top foreign Zerg.

Those results were from a year ago, except IPL Season 1 which was played ~6 months ago.

Its undeniable that hes not doing well recently, he hasn't placed decently In a MLG since Columbus either.
Hazuc
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada471 Posts
September 24 2011 16:22 GMT
#96
On September 25 2011 01:20 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 01:19 Hazuc wrote:
On September 25 2011 01:06 Lunas wrote:
On September 25 2011 01:04 Hazuc wrote:
Thorzain for T
Huk for P
IdrA for Z

Can't believe people voted for Stephano. He hasn't prove himself yet.


Idra over Sen,Stephano and Dimaga? plz provide some evidence to backup that claim?


- Qualified for every GSL Open Season and made it to the round of 8 during GSL January
- Won IPL Season 1
- Won MLG D.C.
- He's the only foreigner that managed to make a top 4 to a MLG since the koreans started to compete there
- etc.


What has he done for us lately.


What has any foreigner done for us lately?
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
September 24 2011 16:22 GMT
#97
On September 25 2011 01:19 MrMercuG wrote:
Uuuh, SelecT is not American.

His ethnicity is Korean, but he practices with foreigners and has a U.S. citizenship.

He's very much a foreigner.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
September 24 2011 16:22 GMT
#98
On September 25 2011 01:15 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 01:12 LionKiNG wrote:
On September 25 2011 01:04 Hazuc wrote:
Thorzain for T
Huk for P
IdrA for Z

Can't believe people voted for Stephano. He hasn't prove himself yet.


Proof? He is classes above IdrA, he is roflstomping best korean TvZ players, so seriously...u can have opinion that IdrA is best but saying something like that for such a talent and person that PROVEN himself in last 2 months is stupid.


For real? Online?

When will people get it in their head that playing against Koreans online holds little to no truth what so ever? Take TSL for an example. How many people beat Koreans in there? Then using your logic those Foreigners > Koreans

Look at the past 3 / 4 months, how many foreigners have beat Koreans at Lans? Not as many as the TSL results would have you thinking.

I have nothing against Stephano I think though that people give him too much credit, he will be the future of Zerg but he isn't just yet for a reason because he's not ready for it.


The last 2 major lans in EU Stephano placed higher then Huk took 3rd in Assemply summer how is that not proving himself??
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
September 24 2011 16:22 GMT
#99
ThorZain/Sen/HuK for each race. Idra shouldn't be on that list
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
September 24 2011 16:23 GMT
#100
On September 25 2011 01:22 Toppp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 01:19 Hazuc wrote:
On September 25 2011 01:06 Lunas wrote:
On September 25 2011 01:04 Hazuc wrote:
Thorzain for T
Huk for P
IdrA for Z

Can't believe people voted for Stephano. He hasn't prove himself yet.


Idra over Sen,Stephano and Dimaga? plz provide some evidence to backup that claim?


- Qualified for every GSL Open Season and made it to the round of 8 during GSL January
- Won IPL Season 1
- Won MLG D.C.
- He's the only foreigner that managed to make a top 4 to a MLG since the koreans started to compete there
- etc.



IdrA's results have been dipping massively recently, and right now hes nowhere near the top foreign Zerg.

Those results were from a year ago, except IPL Season 1 which was played ~6 months ago.

Its undeniable that hes not doing well recently, he hasn't placed decently In a MLG since Columbus either.

Ofc it is, but the same is true for other players on that list (offline results).
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