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Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
September 24 2011 16:30 GMT
#121
On September 25 2011 01:26 Xpace wrote:
Wow, a poll that actually surprised me. Huk not being on top makes me think that people are voting based on who they support/favor, not "who is the best foreigner" as the question asks.
Has any foreigner gotten as far as Huk (RO8) in Code S since Jinro's (RO4) and IdrA's (RO8) performance 9 months ago? If I'm wrong I'd be glad to be corrected by someone.


I agree Huk should be number 1. But I understand why people voting Thorzain he did beat huk,Hero and had an epic final vs DRG at Dreamhack Valancia.

The only problem with Huk is he is so inconsistent l8tly
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
September 24 2011 16:30 GMT
#122
On September 25 2011 00:51 Denzil wrote:
I haven't been up to date with Stephano lately but what has he done against Koreans? The only thing I think I can remember is him getting crushed by MC at HSC


and him getting raped by PuMa in IEM
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
September 24 2011 16:30 GMT
#123
On September 25 2011 01:26 Xpace wrote:
Wow, a poll that actually surprised me. Huk not being on top makes me think that people are voting based on who they support/favor, not "who is the best foreigner" as the question asks.
Has any foreigner gotten as far as Huk (RO8) in Code S since Jinro's (RO4) and IdrA's (RO8) performance 9 months ago? If I'm wrong I'd be glad to be corrected by someone.


you acutally said it: 9 months ago.

thorzain recently stomped huk pretty hard...
its not about overall results, its about recent strengh. Not saying huk isnt top 3 - he is, but what makes you believe he is #1 by far, when his results in foreign tours were not that impressive at all. Not talking about idra, when did he acutally come far into any tournament recently?
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Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 16:32:16
September 24 2011 16:31 GMT
#124
Althought I wouldnt pick White-ra, I am kinda surprised he isnt on there.
Atm I would have to say Thorzain ... maybe stephano after IPL.

edit: typo
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Schmexi
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden341 Posts
September 24 2011 16:31 GMT
#125
On September 25 2011 01:18 Roggay wrote:
Ahahah the idra hate is pretty funny.


He's the worst player on that list, what's the problem?
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
September 24 2011 16:31 GMT
#126
WHITE-RA

This list is worthless without him.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
September 24 2011 16:31 GMT
#127
On September 25 2011 01:26 Xpace wrote:
Wow, a poll that actually surprised me. Huk not being on top makes me think that people are voting based on who they support/favor, not "who is the best foreigner" as the question asks.
Has any foreigner gotten as far as Huk (RO8) in Code S since Jinro's (RO4) and IdrA's (RO8) performance 9 months ago? If I'm wrong I'd be glad to be corrected by someone.


Your criterias are pretty bad, if skill is only based on how far you'e made it in the GSL.
Not to mention not worthy of a discussion at all, as it's already decided by definiton.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
September 24 2011 16:31 GMT
#128
On September 25 2011 01:30 ReaperX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 00:51 Denzil wrote:
I haven't been up to date with Stephano lately but what has he done against Koreans? The only thing I think I can remember is him getting crushed by MC at HSC


and him getting raped by PuMa in IEM



ehm... getting raped? he lost 1-2 and game 1 was the only true macro game which stephano won oO he def. deserves to be on that list...
At hsc, he lost to MC, but 2-0d huk - and thats pretty long ago as well - stephano improved since then, idra the other way around
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ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
September 24 2011 16:31 GMT
#129
Why do these threads keep popping up?

Nobody on TL is going to give accurate results. They are going to vote for their favorite players and ignore actual skill. Thats why alot of posts are just 'why is whitera not on top, why is idra not on top, etc'.

My unbiased pov (naniwa fanboi and hero fanboi, dont care about many others):

If you look at results. Its going to go to Huk then Thorzain. If you want to somehow try and 'gauge' raw talent. Stephano/Ret/Idra/Sase/Fenix, they all show or have showed a very large amount of skill/potential that seems to be greater than alot of other players we have seen FPV of when they perform correctly. The problem is performing correctly and consistently.

I really feel that if the players i listed all had a 'naniwa' point of view on the game/life/getting better. That we could surpass Koreans.
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Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
September 24 2011 16:31 GMT
#130
On September 25 2011 01:30 Lunas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 01:26 Xpace wrote:
Wow, a poll that actually surprised me. Huk not being on top makes me think that people are voting based on who they support/favor, not "who is the best foreigner" as the question asks.
Has any foreigner gotten as far as Huk (RO8) in Code S since Jinro's (RO4) and IdrA's (RO8) performance 9 months ago? If I'm wrong I'd be glad to be corrected by someone.


I agree Huk should be number 1. But I understand why people voting Thorzain he did beat huk,Hero and had an epic final vs DRG at Dreamhack Valancia.

The only problem with Huk is he is so inconsistent l8tly

He's always been pretty inconsistent, really. He has tournaments where he has flashes of absolute brilliance and simply dominates, and then you have him trying 11 sentry timing attacks vZ.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
501TFX
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria345 Posts
September 24 2011 16:32 GMT
#131
On September 25 2011 01:31 Uncultured wrote:
WHITE-RA

This list is worthless without him.


It would be interesting how many people would vote for him, just because he is White-Ra ^_^
Never let your dreams fade, run after them, run until you get them !
Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
September 24 2011 16:32 GMT
#132
Select, idra and kiwikaki are the answers to your 3 questions.
TSM
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
September 24 2011 16:32 GMT
#133
On September 25 2011 01:30 ReaperX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 00:51 Denzil wrote:
I haven't been up to date with Stephano lately but what has he done against Koreans? The only thing I think I can remember is him getting crushed by MC at HSC


and him getting raped by PuMa in IEM


He did crush Puma dominantly in one of their 3 games, and lost one because of a misclick.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Savern101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom859 Posts
September 24 2011 16:32 GMT
#134
No big tourney wins but Demuslim is definately pushing to be all over this list. All 3 of his matchups are now really strong (his TvZ has turned from horrific to very scary). At last MLG he took out Spanishiwa, Kawairice, Cruncher, TLO, Ret, Trickster and took a game off Nada. 2-0 in NASL now, taking out Sheth and Lowly 2-0.

Thorzain is still a favourite of mine as is Select. They should definately be there. Huk is the most succesful foreigner in GSL. Easy choice. Idra, right now, in his current form is very questionable. Compared to Stephano, Ret and Dimaga he's not looked on the same level recently. Hopeing he changes, Idra playing well is great to watch.

Kas? What? O.o

Mana has had some great results, Naniwa is full of potential. Sase still has to convince me.

Think Fenix might be creeping onto this list before too long. He's improved so much already and being on IM is only going to make him better.


EG.DeMusliM/d.BlinG/UK Fighting!
Soulish
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1403 Posts
September 24 2011 16:32 GMT
#135
Sen is definitely the best foreigner, guy is super sick.
me all in, he drone drone drone, me win
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
September 24 2011 16:33 GMT
#136
If it was "Who is your favorite progamer" maybe my answer would be different, but since its "Who is the best progamer" i don't know how anyone else could even be CONSIDERED other than Huk. Still the only foreigner to win lan events with koreans there right? Still the only foreigner to maintain a spot in Code S, something that a number of great Koreans can't do. Hes the clear and only choice.
Jieun <3
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
September 24 2011 16:33 GMT
#137
On September 25 2011 01:32 FeelTHeBluEZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 01:31 Uncultured wrote:
WHITE-RA

This list is worthless without him.


It would be interesting how many people would vote for him, just because he is White-Ra ^_^



This is exactly why these threads mean abosultely nothing.
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
September 24 2011 16:35 GMT
#138
Overall Thorzain imo. (And Idra + White Ra)

It's hard to vote tho, Mana for example did not have many opportunities to showcase his skill, but he delivered when he had the chance. Huk is the most accomplished one but he doesn't always play well, Stephano is extremely promising but lacks results and so on. Naniwa is amazing aswell.

Thorzain, Huk, Stephano, Mana and Naniwa are really close imo. Sen should be up there aswell, but the last time I've seen him was NASL finals so I can't judge him atm. Thorzain is overall really solid, so my vote goes to him.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 16:35:58
September 24 2011 16:35 GMT
#139
On September 25 2011 01:30 ReaperX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 00:51 Denzil wrote:
I haven't been up to date with Stephano lately but what has he done against Koreans? The only thing I think I can remember is him getting crushed by MC at HSC


and him getting raped by PuMa in IEM


Stephano has achieved significantly less that 60% of people on that list, I have no idea how he has grabbed so many votes.

The fact that Ret is ranked so low is not only a travesty but a sign of how pointless best foreigner discussion is.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 16:52:29
September 24 2011 16:36 GMT
#140
Voted HuK just because he has been by far the most notable foreigner in GSL for a fair while now. Ro8 in Code S and knocked out by MVP himself is quite respectable result.

Would like to see Sen in major tournaments more often.
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