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babo213
Profile Joined January 2011
United States266 Posts
October 24 2011 00:34 GMT
#1561
On October 24 2011 09:25 PopcornColonel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 08:39 Jamial wrote:
I wish people would stop referring to SelecT as a foreigner. He's Korean, is he not?

He is of korean ethnicity, but lives and plays in America.

Then Huk should count as Korean?

On October 24 2011 09:17 Ace.Xile wrote:
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On October 24 2011 09:13 aksfjh wrote:
On October 24 2011 09:07 gorgoino 18 wrote:
Why doesn't Idra deserve to be on the list? He plays pretty good D:


His results are mixed. He generally does well at events where the competition is thin, but crumbles when things heat up slightly. It's such a drastic swing that I don't think he's stable enough to be considered a great player. What's more, he gives up a lot, which I think is something that the best don't do. Part of being great is the ability to correct your mistakes, big and small, within the confines of the competition you're in. He's shown time and time again to just quit when the going gets tough.


I feel like his results are overexaggerated, he's finished 4th in both columbus and orlando, losing to koreans (and huk), and he finished first at IEM. If you look at his results, literally MC is the worlds biggest cockblock to him ever. Mc finished his run at both MLGs and Dreamhack. Which is why i feel that Idra is an amazing player, but he just can't beat MC really.


To add to this if people are going to say Idra does well when competition is thin, you have to say the same thing about Stephano. I'm more impressed by Idra beating bomber and others at the last mlg than Stephano winning eswc


On October 24 2011 09:26 TBone- wrote:
X player wins X tournament, he is now the best... Next week Y player wins Y tournament, he is now the best?


Pretty much.
cbueno
Profile Joined November 2008
Ireland76 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 00:42:33
October 24 2011 00:36 GMT
#1562
white ra should be in the top ten....Idra maybe in the last ten,,,most defenetly not in 3rd place..
white-ra is a better player hands down. He even has more archievements than Idra.

Also there are alot of names in that are better in the top 10 that somehow are at very low level compard to Idra. Names like naniwa, thorzain, select are much better players hands down. Anyone that negates this, just plain kidding themselves...

i think people voted for who they LIKE more INSTEAD of who is the BEST FOREIGNERS!
Also you must put your most wanted race aside if they are not the BEST PLAYER.
Hantak
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile59 Posts
October 24 2011 00:39 GMT
#1563
As i read through this thread it's obvious how much influence has the recent results on the opinion of people who voted, i just stick with the overall results of each player, not just tourney related but also considering the matches i see over streams and such.

I would have to say that the best foreign players are Sen, Select, Sase and Idra. (oh yeah i said it :D)
It's getting too hot.
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
October 24 2011 00:42 GMT
#1564
On October 24 2011 09:13 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 09:07 gorgoino18 wrote:
Why doesn't Idra deserve to be on the list? He plays pretty good D:


His results are mixed. He generally does well at events where the competition is thin, but crumbles when things heat up slightly. It's such a drastic swing that I don't think he's stable enough to be considered a great player. What's more, he gives up a lot, which I think is something that the best don't do. Part of being great is the ability to correct your mistakes, big and small, within the confines of the competition you're in. He's shown time and time again to just quit when the going gets tough.

The same could be said about any player..
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
October 24 2011 00:56 GMT
#1565
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Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 01:01:22
October 24 2011 00:58 GMT
#1566
On October 24 2011 09:39 Hantak wrote:
As i read through this thread it's obvious how much influence has the recent results on the opinion of people who voted, i just stick with the overall results of each player, not just tourney related but also considering the matches i see over streams and such.

I would have to say that the best foreign players are Sen, Select, Sase and Idra. (oh yeah i said it :D)


Agree. Sure, Stephano has been tearing up recently, and it's impressive considering his age and the relatively small amount of time he has dedicated to the game... But I don't think he has been around for long enough to be sure that he isn't just another flavour of the month player who will vanish off the scene quickly. If the question was "Which foreigner has the most potential?" then I could understand a vote for Stephano, but voting for him as the current best seems a little silly.

Personally I think that IdrA, Sen, HuK and Select have been by far the most consistent from that list, and they're also the only three players who have really proven themselves to be on a similar level to the Koreans. Other players like Dimaga and Naniwa are close behind. I just don't feel like they have had the greatest opportunity to demonstrate their skill versus the very best, whereas the four I named have.

If I had to pick just one though, it would be between HuK and IdrA. It's hard though. I think IdrA has the better RTS mind, but his attitude is pretty lacking (to put it lightly), whereas HuK has the perfect attitude but is perhaps a little less sharp than IdrA (though that may simply be related to the difference in pro-gaming experience). If it were possible to combine the two of them then that's who I'd pick
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
October 24 2011 01:07 GMT
#1567
i voted idra didnt deserve to be on there, i take it back now, hes roared out of his slump
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 24 2011 14:15 GMT
#1568
On October 24 2011 09:42 SovSov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 09:13 aksfjh wrote:
On October 24 2011 09:07 gorgoino18 wrote:
Why doesn't Idra deserve to be on the list? He plays pretty good D:


His results are mixed. He generally does well at events where the competition is thin, but crumbles when things heat up slightly. It's such a drastic swing that I don't think he's stable enough to be considered a great player. What's more, he gives up a lot, which I think is something that the best don't do. Part of being great is the ability to correct your mistakes, big and small, within the confines of the competition you're in. He's shown time and time again to just quit when the going gets tough.

The same could be said about any player..

Or you could read beyond the first 3 sentences. You don't see Nestea and MVP GG when they lose a base. You don't see White-Ra, Stephano, or HuK GG when they lose their army. Idra plays like every game is a practice game and writes off failure on others. That's not what I imagine the best foreigner would be like.
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
October 24 2011 14:23 GMT
#1569
On October 24 2011 09:36 cbueno wrote:
white ra should be in the top ten....Idra maybe in the last ten,,,most defenetly not in 3rd place..
white-ra is a better player hands down. He even has more archievements than Idra.

Also there are alot of names in that are better in the top 10 that somehow are at very low level compard to Idra. Names like naniwa, thorzain, select are much better players hands down. Anyone that negates this, just plain kidding themselves...

i think people voted for who they LIKE more INSTEAD of who is the BEST FOREIGNERS!
Also you must put your most wanted race aside if they are not the BEST PLAYER.


I'd have to disagree..... White Ra isn't a top 10 foreigner right now. Idra is top 2 or 3 ... White-Ra cant compare to players like Sen,Naniwa,Thorzain,Huk,or Idra.
ThisGS
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany255 Posts
October 24 2011 14:28 GMT
#1570
On October 24 2011 23:23 ToguRo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 09:36 cbueno wrote:
white ra should be in the top ten....Idra maybe in the last ten,,,most defenetly not in 3rd place..
white-ra is a better player hands down. He even has more archievements than Idra.

Also there are alot of names in that are better in the top 10 that somehow are at very low level compard to Idra. Names like naniwa, thorzain, select are much better players hands down. Anyone that negates this, just plain kidding themselves...

i think people voted for who they LIKE more INSTEAD of who is the BEST FOREIGNERS!
Also you must put your most wanted race aside if they are not the BEST PLAYER.


I'd have to disagree..... White Ra isn't a top 10 foreigner right now. Idra is top 2 or 3 ... White-Ra cant compare to players like Sen,Naniwa,Thorzain,Huk,or Idra.


agree.

im my opinion, its
1 - HuK
2 - Stephano
3 - IdrA (cause of weaker ZvP)
4 - Sen
And after that a pool of players like Naniwa, Sase, Thorzain, Select, Ret, MaNa right now.
no White-Ra
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 14:34:05
October 24 2011 14:33 GMT
#1571
On October 24 2011 23:23 ToguRo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 09:36 cbueno wrote:
white ra should be in the top ten....Idra maybe in the last ten,,,most defenetly not in 3rd place..
white-ra is a better player hands down. He even has more archievements than Idra.

Also there are alot of names in that are better in the top 10 that somehow are at very low level compard to Idra. Names like naniwa, thorzain, select are much better players hands down. Anyone that negates this, just plain kidding themselves...

i think people voted for who they LIKE more INSTEAD of who is the BEST FOREIGNERS!
Also you must put your most wanted race aside if they are not the BEST PLAYER.


I'd have to disagree..... White Ra isn't a top 10 foreigner right now. Idra is top 2 or 3 ... White-Ra cant compare to players like Sen,Naniwa,Thorzain,Huk,or Idra.

Whitera is better then idra for sure... both are not top 5 foreigner tho.

1. Dimaga
2. Stephano
3. Mana
4. Huk
5. Sen
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
OzVelas
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria516 Posts
October 24 2011 14:37 GMT
#1572
For me its :

1 Stephano and Huk
3 Idra
4 Mana
5 Sen
6 Naniwa
7 Thorzain
8 Dimaga
9 Sase
10 Ret

I love white-ra but he isnt in top 20 right now
ThisGS
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany255 Posts
October 24 2011 14:41 GMT
#1573
On October 24 2011 23:33 Technique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 23:23 ToguRo wrote:
On October 24 2011 09:36 cbueno wrote:
white ra should be in the top ten....Idra maybe in the last ten,,,most defenetly not in 3rd place..
white-ra is a better player hands down. He even has more archievements than Idra.

Also there are alot of names in that are better in the top 10 that somehow are at very low level compard to Idra. Names like naniwa, thorzain, select are much better players hands down. Anyone that negates this, just plain kidding themselves...

i think people voted for who they LIKE more INSTEAD of who is the BEST FOREIGNERS!
Also you must put your most wanted race aside if they are not the BEST PLAYER.


I'd have to disagree..... White Ra isn't a top 10 foreigner right now. Idra is top 2 or 3 ... White-Ra cant compare to players like Sen,Naniwa,Thorzain,Huk,or Idra.

Whitera is better then idra for sure... both are not top 5 foreigner tho.

1. Dimaga
2. Stephano
3. Mana
4. Huk
5. Sen


lol, thats pure fanboyism :D
you like dimaga and dislike idra right?
look at the results of both, idra is far ahead oO
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
October 24 2011 14:47 GMT
#1574
My vote goes to Stephano definitely. No weak matchups, has proven himself against koreans in BoX series. I feel there are quite a few foreigners that are easily on par with koreans in their strongest matchups, but those who can take games off koreans consistently are those with the 'baller' mentality. You don't feel any differences in their play level no matter who they are playing against. Examples are stephano, sen, diamaga, whitera, partly huk as he is used to playing against them.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6185 Posts
October 24 2011 14:49 GMT
#1575
On October 24 2011 23:41 ThisGS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 23:33 Technique wrote:
On October 24 2011 23:23 ToguRo wrote:
On October 24 2011 09:36 cbueno wrote:
white ra should be in the top ten....Idra maybe in the last ten,,,most defenetly not in 3rd place..
white-ra is a better player hands down. He even has more archievements than Idra.

Also there are alot of names in that are better in the top 10 that somehow are at very low level compard to Idra. Names like naniwa, thorzain, select are much better players hands down. Anyone that negates this, just plain kidding themselves...

i think people voted for who they LIKE more INSTEAD of who is the BEST FOREIGNERS!
Also you must put your most wanted race aside if they are not the BEST PLAYER.


I'd have to disagree..... White Ra isn't a top 10 foreigner right now. Idra is top 2 or 3 ... White-Ra cant compare to players like Sen,Naniwa,Thorzain,Huk,or Idra.

Whitera is better then idra for sure... both are not top 5 foreigner tho.

1. Dimaga
2. Stephano
3. Mana
4. Huk
5. Sen


lol, thats pure fanboyism :D
you like dimaga and dislike idra right?
look at the results of both, idra is far ahead oO


I don't like Idra but GS tell the true, you CANT put Dimaga #1 and I really doubt you can put him ahead of Idra.
n_n
xi Tempest x
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland340 Posts
October 24 2011 14:51 GMT
#1576
Best 5 of all time:
5.Sen
4.Dimaga
3.idrA
2.Huk
1. Jinro

Best 5 at the moment (in my opinion)
5.IdrA
4.Naniwa
3. maNa
2. Huk
1. Stephano

Nearon impossible to choose between top two, chose stephano because he has won more. but i it was dificult
warcralft
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore609 Posts
October 24 2011 15:00 GMT
#1577
Kas and Ret shouldnt be in this list IMO. This list is too big!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46506 Posts
October 24 2011 15:04 GMT
#1578
HuK is undeniably number one.

Look at his results outside of Korea and in Korea. Together, they're unparalleled. And he's been consistent too.

As far as second place goes, sure you've got a few in the running (Stephano, IdrA, even Thorzain), but HuK is untouched at the moment. No one's even close.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
theAsakura
Profile Joined September 2011
United States33 Posts
October 24 2011 15:17 GMT
#1579
I really can't even consider anyone other than HuK. He dominated at MLG Orlando against some crazy Korean opponents. He's been dominating lately.
thenerazim
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway12 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 17:34:23
October 24 2011 17:31 GMT
#1580
Idra is still fucking good Huk is the best but if Idra is in a good mood when he wants to win he will win

did you guys see Idra in MLG Orlando? he had the toughest opponents he is awesome
I dont care if it ruins the mood, bring the midgets in! -Day9
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