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zergftwftw
Profile Joined September 2011
4 Posts
September 25 2011 07:52 GMT
#741
Stephano!!
KnowMe
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany228 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 07:56:46
September 25 2011 07:56 GMT
#742
im a bit surprised to find not one german player
socke
hasuobs
goody
darkforce
anyone?
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Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
September 25 2011 08:00 GMT
#743
On September 25 2011 16:56 ToT)KnowMe( wrote:
im a bit surprised to find not one german player
socke
hasuobs
goody
darkforce
anyone?


They are good, but they aren't close to "the best" atm.
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
September 25 2011 08:01 GMT
#744
surprised whitera isnt under consideration
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
September 25 2011 08:02 GMT
#745
Let's be real here. You don't become the best foreigner by having your only achievement as bronze in Assembly Summber. You have to consistently be the favourite to win tournaments and you actually have to win them. Just winning a few games at a qualifier vs Koreans with a unique style does not make you the best of NA and EU. Destiny has taken games off Koreans as well, doesn't mean he is one of the best foreigners.

Stephano is really talented and may potentially be a very good player, but to call him the best is like saying that Cliiiiiiiide is the best player in the world.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
September 25 2011 08:09 GMT
#746
I think it would be better if we had a "top tier" multiple choice poll, where one could select something like 5-10 players. It's hard to narrow it down to the best.

We need a sc2-power rank. Actually we need two, one for koreans and one for foreigners.

It doesn't have to be the final-say-end-all-discussion type of power rank. Just a place for people to keep up with the scene, follow trends and discuss up and coming players etc.
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
September 25 2011 08:10 GMT
#747
I don't know enough to say who the best player is. I miss Mana's PvT before KA was axed. It used to be a beauty..
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
September 25 2011 08:12 GMT
#748
HuK got my vote, he's been really solid recently, and of course, he is in code s. I think if he stopped traveling around as much his results would begin to improve even more.
=)=
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
September 25 2011 08:18 GMT
#749
On September 25 2011 17:00 Hierarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 16:56 ToT)KnowMe( wrote:
im a bit surprised to find not one german player
socke
hasuobs
goody
darkforce
anyone?


They are good, but they aren't close to "the best" atm.

You have no clue. They beat 1/2 of these in the list like 90% of the time. Hasu recently won over Stephano,Thorzain and Seth (And those are even the better ones in the list).
For Darkforce just watch this http://playoffs.cevo.com/view/bracket.php?id=1417.
Coud go on, but i think they're pretty easily better than players like Kas rofl.
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
September 25 2011 08:19 GMT
#750
On September 25 2011 17:02 Micket wrote:
Let's be real here. You don't become the best foreigner by having your only achievement as bronze in Assembly Summber. You have to consistently be the favourite to win tournaments and you actually have to win them. Just winning a few games at a qualifier vs Koreans with a unique style does not make you the best of NA and EU. Destiny has taken games off Koreans as well, doesn't mean he is one of the best foreigners.

Stephano is really talented and may potentially be a very good player, but to call him the best is like saying that Cliiiiiiiide is the best player in the world.


I dont know what planet you are on but TSLClide is the best player in the world, its just that he has had bad luck. He only loses because the opposing team unscrews the bolts in his chair, making him fall over whenever he plays.
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Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 08:27:37
September 25 2011 08:26 GMT
#751
On September 25 2011 17:18 Tigi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 17:00 Hierarch wrote:
On September 25 2011 16:56 ToT)KnowMe( wrote:
im a bit surprised to find not one german player
socke
hasuobs
goody
darkforce
anyone?


They are good, but they aren't close to "the best" atm.

You have no clue. They beat 1/2 of these in the list like 90% of the time. Hasu recently won over Stephano,Thorzain and Seth (And those are even the better ones in the list).
For Darkforce just watch this http://playoffs.cevo.com/view/bracket.php?id=1417.
Coud go on, but i think they're pretty easily better than players like Kas rofl.


They have had very little success vs koreans, Hasu is very good but he doesn't have a marquee tournament win or a very high win rate vs koreans. Most of the players you listed are probably better than kas but I never considered him close to "the best" either so I don't know why you're bringing up kas.

Darkforce is very good also, but isn't the most consistent of players either to be fair, some times he plays out of his mind and other times he falls flat.
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 08:30:09
September 25 2011 08:27 GMT
#752
On September 25 2011 17:26 Hierarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 17:18 Tigi wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:00 Hierarch wrote:
On September 25 2011 16:56 ToT)KnowMe( wrote:
im a bit surprised to find not one german player
socke
hasuobs
goody
darkforce
anyone?


They are good, but they aren't close to "the best" atm.

You have no clue. They beat 1/2 of these in the list like 90% of the time. Hasu recently won over Stephano,Thorzain and Seth (And those are even the better ones in the list).
For Darkforce just watch this http://playoffs.cevo.com/view/bracket.php?id=1417.
Coud go on, but i think they're pretty easily better than players like Kas rofl.


They have had very little to no success vs koreans, Hasu is very good but he doesn't have a marquee tournament win or a very high win rate vs koreans. Most of the players you listed are probably better than kas but I never considered him close to "the best" either so I don't know why you're bringing up kas.

Did you actually click on the link ?
And like 95% in this list had little to no success vs koreans in the past month.
edit: I mentioned kas as an example of a weaker player in this list of the op. I could have also taken idra or whoever.
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 08:31:22
September 25 2011 08:29 GMT
#753
On September 25 2011 17:27 Tigi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 17:26 Hierarch wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:18 Tigi wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:00 Hierarch wrote:
On September 25 2011 16:56 ToT)KnowMe( wrote:
im a bit surprised to find not one german player
socke
hasuobs
goody
darkforce
anyone?


They are good, but they aren't close to "the best" atm.

You have no clue. They beat 1/2 of these in the list like 90% of the time. Hasu recently won over Stephano,Thorzain and Seth (And those are even the better ones in the list).
For Darkforce just watch this http://playoffs.cevo.com/view/bracket.php?id=1417.
Coud go on, but i think they're pretty easily better than players like Kas rofl.


They have had very little to no success vs koreans, Hasu is very good but he doesn't have a marquee tournament win or a very high win rate vs koreans. Most of the players you listed are probably better than kas but I never considered him close to "the best" either so I don't know why you're bringing up kas.

Did you actually click on the link ?
And like 95% in this list had little to no success vs koreans in the past month.


But we're discussing the other 5% (more like 2% but w/e). I edited my post. Online tournaments vs koreans hold a little less water than LANS due to the latency, but I don't discount them entirely.

edit: He had a 3-0 vs someone I've never heard of, a walkover vs Ret and beat ace and then lost 0-3 to MMA? Beating ace now puts you in discussion of best foreigner?
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
September 25 2011 08:31 GMT
#754
On September 25 2011 17:29 Hierarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 17:27 Tigi wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:26 Hierarch wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:18 Tigi wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:00 Hierarch wrote:
On September 25 2011 16:56 ToT)KnowMe( wrote:
im a bit surprised to find not one german player
socke
hasuobs
goody
darkforce
anyone?


They are good, but they aren't close to "the best" atm.

You have no clue. They beat 1/2 of these in the list like 90% of the time. Hasu recently won over Stephano,Thorzain and Seth (And those are even the better ones in the list).
For Darkforce just watch this http://playoffs.cevo.com/view/bracket.php?id=1417.
Coud go on, but i think they're pretty easily better than players like Kas rofl.


They have had very little to no success vs koreans, Hasu is very good but he doesn't have a marquee tournament win or a very high win rate vs koreans. Most of the players you listed are probably better than kas but I never considered him close to "the best" either so I don't know why you're bringing up kas.

Did you actually click on the link ?
And like 95% in this list had little to no success vs koreans in the past month.


But we're discussing the other 5% (more like 2% but w/e). I edited my post. Online tournaments vs koreans hold a little less water than LANS due to the latency, but I don't discount them entirely.

edit: He had a walkover vs Ret and beat ace and then lost 0-3 to MMA?

I agree, but the origianal post was knowme asking why there were no germans in the list and whatch over the list again.
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
JimPanzer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany339 Posts
September 25 2011 08:31 GMT
#755
Nerchio?
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
September 25 2011 08:32 GMT
#756
On September 25 2011 17:31 Tigi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 17:29 Hierarch wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:27 Tigi wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:26 Hierarch wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:18 Tigi wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:00 Hierarch wrote:
On September 25 2011 16:56 ToT)KnowMe( wrote:
im a bit surprised to find not one german player
socke
hasuobs
goody
darkforce
anyone?


They are good, but they aren't close to "the best" atm.

You have no clue. They beat 1/2 of these in the list like 90% of the time. Hasu recently won over Stephano,Thorzain and Seth (And those are even the better ones in the list).
For Darkforce just watch this http://playoffs.cevo.com/view/bracket.php?id=1417.
Coud go on, but i think they're pretty easily better than players like Kas rofl.


They have had very little to no success vs koreans, Hasu is very good but he doesn't have a marquee tournament win or a very high win rate vs koreans. Most of the players you listed are probably better than kas but I never considered him close to "the best" either so I don't know why you're bringing up kas.

Did you actually click on the link ?
And like 95% in this list had little to no success vs koreans in the past month.


But we're discussing the other 5% (more like 2% but w/e). I edited my post. Online tournaments vs koreans hold a little less water than LANS due to the latency, but I don't discount them entirely.

edit: He had a walkover vs Ret and beat ace and then lost 0-3 to MMA?

I agree, but the origianal post was knowme asking why there were no germans in the list and whatch over the list again.


There's a poll for who got missed, and it says to voice them in the thread, which you did
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MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
September 25 2011 08:46 GMT
#757
It's a fight between Thorzain, Sen and HuK for #1.

But no Sheth?.. I mean come on. Why the fuck have you got Stephano on there when Sheth isn't? It just racks my brain. I'm sorry but doing well on the EU ladder and owning some Koreans, all online, doesn't mean jack shit. Only lans should be counted in terms of owning Koreans or we'll get Destiny Fanboys in here saying Destiny owned Bomber in the GSPA. Sheth owned his fair share of Koreans in the GSL alone to warrant a place over the little kid, Stephano.
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3DGlaDOS
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany607 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 09:00:50
September 25 2011 08:58 GMT
#758
On September 25 2011 16:56 ToT)KnowMe( wrote:
im a bit surprised to find not one german player
socke
hasuobs
goody
darkforce
anyone?

indeed, all of them are at least as good as most of the players in the poll.
Socke underrated as always.

But in my opinion you can't say "best foreigner", it always depends on matchups, etc.
A better poll would be who are top 5 foreigners or top 10.
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tutsicockroach
Profile Joined March 2011
United States57 Posts
September 25 2011 09:06 GMT
#759
I think HuK is the best. He had some great results after his training in Korea, winning HSC and DH.

He seems to be slumping a little now though, hopefully he can get back on track and show us some more amazing games and unit control.
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ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
September 25 2011 09:44 GMT
#760
On September 25 2011 00:49 PirateEd wrote:
I think Whitera and Morrow definitely deserve to be on this list more than Mana, Kas, or Sase


Agreed. White Ra not even listed? WTF?
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