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GoonFFS
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark323 Posts
September 24 2011 09:12 GMT
#241
NA ladder is pretty bad in comparison to the other ladders. However this isn't really the way to start a team imo. You contact people in private, behind closed doors.

if this team really has the financial backing, required for a top team though - i guess it doesn't really matter
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Brunaland
Profile Joined February 2011
Iceland36 Posts
September 24 2011 09:20 GMT
#242
They just won a million dollars, they can do what they want and these are the rules if it since it is top 100 aren´t they shitting on someone who is in 101th place?...
Just wanna be better
kellymilkies
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore1393 Posts
September 24 2011 09:24 GMT
#243
Really impressed with Navi throughout the years. A lot of really great results. Any player that joins them will be an insanely lucky one plus its a good team to join. GOod luck
Be the change you wish to see in the world ^-^V //
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
September 24 2011 09:32 GMT
#244
lol @ shitting on the NA ladder. I can understand it being worse than the KR ladder, but is it really THAT much easier than the EU ladder? Anyways good luck to the team!
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 24 2011 09:36 GMT
#245
Na'Vi should try and pool all the best Ukrainians together.

WhiteRa, Kas, Happy, Strelok, Dimaga, Bly... Would be a pretty sick lineup for a Ukrainian team ^_^

/way too optimistic.

Kinda surprised some people haven't even heard of them too. This team is one of the best ever in e-sports history. They deserve some respect. Arguably have the greatest CS 1.6 team of all time.
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
September 24 2011 09:36 GMT
#246
I don't know who they think they're going to get. Those requirements are pretty arbitrary, even if Na'vi is a larger organization, there's plenty of large organizations that are already established in SC2. I can't imagine they'll poach anyone half decent.

That leaves the ladder heroes, who would be pretty put off by that post I think.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 24 2011 09:38 GMT
#247
On September 24 2011 18:32 Fishriot wrote:
lol @ shitting on the NA ladder. I can understand it being worse than the KR ladder, but is it really THAT much easier than the EU ladder? Anyways good luck to the team!


As a player who plays both EU and NA at a high masters level. NA is definitely wayyyyy cheesier and easier. I kinda gave up playing on it because i learnt nothing and had some latency issues too.
minhbq299
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 10:03:37
September 24 2011 09:39 GMT
#248
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.

NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.

Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.


So they should try to poach TSL house and steal someone as good as Puma huh?.
I think Na'vi should take all good eastern european players to make a sick team, combined with some Koreans. (White-ra, Dimaga, Nerchio, Mana,.... hmm)
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Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 09:43:13
September 24 2011 09:42 GMT
#249
On September 24 2011 06:16 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 05:32 Longshank wrote:
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.

NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.

Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.


Boxer put up a ladder requirement when he started recruiting for Slayers. It worked out rather nicely for them wouldn't you say?

Fact is you know shit about who or how NaVi will recruit so why even bitch about it at this time?

That's not bitching. He just gave a comment about how he thinks it'd be best for them to recruit. It's pretty much the most appropriate comment possible in this topic. The information he knows, and we all know, about their recruitment is in the OP. The only good thing that comes out of a ladder requirement is discovering and developing new talent. If Na'Vi weren't looking to do that, then they wouldn't be willing to look at the application of every ladder hero that applies. So either they partially want to discover new talent or their ladder requirement is accomplishing nothing for them. But, as incontrol said, Na'Vi is prestigious, so it would seem that they'd want to use their history and money to build a top team ASAP. To do that, they must look at players who are dominating now, or about to dominate, not people who are at the very start of the career. Almost all such people are already on teams so it's about finding the players who would be happier on Na'Vi than on their current teams.

It's an insightful comment that actually contributes to a discussion that could be happening here. But because it's a criticism and because incontrol authored it, there's always gotta be someone who has to act like a jackass.

You could at least give a brief analysis of the similarities and differences between Slayers and Na'Vi and then argue why a recruitment process with one thing in common between them will show similar results. I can tell you one big difference: Boxer has a proven history of spotting and developing talent in SC1. Na'Vi has no one comparable.


Well I disagree, coming calling their recruitment process 'insanely dumb' without knowing their intentions of recruiting or how they'll go about doing that isn't very contructive or insightful. Especially when the same model of initial requirements evidently has worked out for another team.

Does NaVi have the same nack for discovering and evolving talents as Boxer do? Doubtful, but I'd commend them for trying if that's what they aim for. I would certainly not call them insanely dumb for doing so.
TheTrueAmerican
Profile Joined April 2011
United States132 Posts
September 24 2011 09:42 GMT
#250
NA<EU<KR deal with it guys.
Pisko.
Profile Joined August 2011
United States214 Posts
September 24 2011 09:44 GMT
#251
Is this thread really 13 pages of bitching about a Euro team favoring EU players over NA? Only on TL...
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AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
September 24 2011 09:45 GMT
#252
Good luck Na'Vi, but I'm not sure you'll have great success. The top player in Korean ladder was like, 50th or worse IRL. ELO is a much better test of strength IMO.
An apple a day keeps the Protoss away | TLHF
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
September 24 2011 09:50 GMT
#253
On September 24 2011 04:41 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 04:38 Sina92 wrote:
On September 24 2011 04:35 iNcontroL wrote:
On September 24 2011 04:16 hifriend wrote:
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.

NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.

Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.

Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.


Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.



I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.


Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?

When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.

Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.


Incontrol's general posting mentality summed up: "me me me me! It's all about meeee!"
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
September 24 2011 09:58 GMT
#254
On September 24 2011 18:50 Quotidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 04:41 iNcontroL wrote:
On September 24 2011 04:38 Sina92 wrote:
On September 24 2011 04:35 iNcontroL wrote:
On September 24 2011 04:16 hifriend wrote:
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.

NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.

Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.

Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.


Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.



I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.


Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?

When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.

Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.


Incontrol's general posting mentality summed up: "me me me me! It's all about meeee!"


its more like "youre an idiot so stfu"

the "me me me" part comes from the fact that hes better than 99% of people on the forums
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
September 24 2011 09:59 GMT
#255
GL to Na'Vi, hopefully they pick up some strong Ukrainians.
/commercial
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 24 2011 10:00 GMT
#256
On September 24 2011 04:41 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 04:38 Sina92 wrote:
On September 24 2011 04:35 iNcontroL wrote:
On September 24 2011 04:16 hifriend wrote:
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.

NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.

Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.

Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.


Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.



I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.


Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?

When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.

Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.


I don't really understand this post. You comment on people who are better than you all the time :S and say that you should be able to and whether they are worse or better than you is irrelevant. But then criticise the guy for commenting on your results when he's not as good as you.

resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
September 24 2011 10:01 GMT
#257
On September 24 2011 18:50 Quotidian wrote:


Incontrol's general posting mentality summed up: "me me me me! It's all about meeee!"


Its actually insane that a spokesperson (self-declared through actions or official I am not sure) for the richest team in Esports (?) gets in petty childish ad hom arguments on internet forums.

Although he is more famous as a personality than a player, it really isn't the best image to cultivate as an indiviual or team.

As regards the NA requirements, maybe a Ukrainian team simply wants a european or korean based roster? It isnt so difficult to understand that having players in the US is less desirable when your fan base and headquarters are in Europe - and Korean performances speaks for themselves .
Socke Fighting!!!!
Holykitty
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands246 Posts
September 24 2011 10:07 GMT
#258
On September 24 2011 18:20 Brunaland wrote:
They just won a million dollars, they can do what they want and these are the rules if it since it is top 100 aren´t they shitting on someone who is in 101th place?...


yes, im sure that when they say top 100, 99th is instant contract and 101th is told to fuck off

they are probably just trying to stop people who clearly have no hope from bothering to apply
Where there's smoke, there's me
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
September 24 2011 10:07 GMT
#259
Before firing off that release, they could have spent say... 5 seconds thinking of better wording. The way they slapped that together reminds me of the instructions on many foreign food packages when I go to the grocery store - sure they may not have butchered the grammar, but they really could have presented their intentions better. Then again, maybe that's just how they wanted to come off.
Less money for casters, more money for players.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9037 Posts
September 24 2011 10:08 GMT
#260
Go 3aby_Knight!
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