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Ganseng
Profile Joined July 2011
Russian Federation473 Posts
September 27 2011 08:38 GMT
#621
On September 27 2011 17:30 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 17:13 Lunas wrote:
On September 27 2011 16:55 Zooper31 wrote:
On September 27 2011 07:31 Eee wrote:
On September 27 2011 07:02 Zooper31 wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:42 tuho12345 wrote:
Go watch Ruyng vs Stephano BO 5 series and tell me this kid is one of the best Zerg in the world? I call it BS. Terrible from micro to macro to decision making lol. He's not stand out of all the foreigners at all to me



Yeah, I hate to bash on players, but I can't help but feel stephano is only being spotlighted at all just merely because of the coL and Mill. controversy.

I think he still needs to prove himself as a player, and until he starts placing super high in some big tourneys, I'm still gunna be skeptical.


Agreed. I've never heard of him till the whole coL and Mill. controversy started. Now it's all about Stephano and how good he is and how he's gonna own everyone.

Maybe for Americans, but he's been pretty hyped since pre-hsc3 in the European scene.


What does me being american have anything to do with it? Not like I get my information from some american only site that only showcases Idra/Huk/QXC etc. I go to teamliquid for all my SC info and I pay attention to all the major LANS. He's yet to make any kinda of name for himself at a major tournament and I'll gladly bite my tongue if he stomps through people offline as good as he does online.


I dont know why people keep saying Stephano haven't proved himself at Lans

He placed 5th in HSC 3 beatign Huk 2-0 Lost to Thorzain and MC

His group:

1. Stephano 3-0
2. HuK 2-1
3. iNSoLeNCE 1-2
4. NarutO 0-3

Then he lost to Thorzain 2-0 got into losers bracket and did this:


Jinro 0
Stephano 2

Stephano 2
XlorD 0

White-Ra 1
Stephano 2

MC 2
Stephano 0

He placed 5th together with Idra. This was his first Lan ever and he did all this being an amateur player.

Then he travelled to Assemply summer.

His group:

1. Stephano 3-0
2. Brat_OK 2-1
3. biGs 1-2
4. Satiini 0-3

Round of 16:

Stephano 2
Sen 1

Quaterfinal:

Stephano 2
Seiplo 1

Semifinal:

DIMAGA 3
Stephano 2

Then beat Brat_OK 3-0 to get 3rd..

These are some of the biggest Lans in Europe. If this isn't proving himself at Lans then 90% of all pro sc2 players haven't proved them self either

So plz stop with this sillyness


Ok I'll give in he did good. But some of the players he beat I wouldn't put too much faith in. A slumping Jinro, some no names, and Brat_OK is very overrated imo.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3065149/1/imbaBratOK/
sure, currently Nr. 13 in US GML with a score of 110-12.
Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
September 27 2011 08:41 GMT
#622
On September 27 2011 17:38 Ganseng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 17:30 Zooper31 wrote:
On September 27 2011 17:13 Lunas wrote:
On September 27 2011 16:55 Zooper31 wrote:
On September 27 2011 07:31 Eee wrote:
On September 27 2011 07:02 Zooper31 wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:42 tuho12345 wrote:
Go watch Ruyng vs Stephano BO 5 series and tell me this kid is one of the best Zerg in the world? I call it BS. Terrible from micro to macro to decision making lol. He's not stand out of all the foreigners at all to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_2BShJqDSI&feature=feedu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvSJK2UiKeM&feature=feedu

Yeah, I hate to bash on players, but I can't help but feel stephano is only being spotlighted at all just merely because of the coL and Mill. controversy.

I think he still needs to prove himself as a player, and until he starts placing super high in some big tourneys, I'm still gunna be skeptical.


Agreed. I've never heard of him till the whole coL and Mill. controversy started. Now it's all about Stephano and how good he is and how he's gonna own everyone.

Maybe for Americans, but he's been pretty hyped since pre-hsc3 in the European scene.


What does me being american have anything to do with it? Not like I get my information from some american only site that only showcases Idra/Huk/QXC etc. I go to teamliquid for all my SC info and I pay attention to all the major LANS. He's yet to make any kinda of name for himself at a major tournament and I'll gladly bite my tongue if he stomps through people offline as good as he does online.


I dont know why people keep saying Stephano haven't proved himself at Lans

He placed 5th in HSC 3 beatign Huk 2-0 Lost to Thorzain and MC

His group:

1. Stephano 3-0
2. HuK 2-1
3. iNSoLeNCE 1-2
4. NarutO 0-3

Then he lost to Thorzain 2-0 got into losers bracket and did this:


Jinro 0
Stephano 2

Stephano 2
XlorD 0

White-Ra 1
Stephano 2

MC 2
Stephano 0

He placed 5th together with Idra. This was his first Lan ever and he did all this being an amateur player.

Then he travelled to Assemply summer.

His group:

1. Stephano 3-0
2. Brat_OK 2-1
3. biGs 1-2
4. Satiini 0-3

Round of 16:

Stephano 2
Sen 1

Quaterfinal:

Stephano 2
Seiplo 1

Semifinal:

DIMAGA 3
Stephano 2

Then beat Brat_OK 3-0 to get 3rd..

These are some of the biggest Lans in Europe. If this isn't proving himself at Lans then 90% of all pro sc2 players haven't proved them self either

So plz stop with this sillyness


Ok I'll give in he did good. But some of the players he beat I wouldn't put too much faith in. A slumping Jinro, some no names, and Brat_OK is very overrated imo.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3065149/1/imbaBratOK/
sure, currently Nr. 13 in US GML with a score of 110-12.


heh, pretty sick actually
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
September 27 2011 08:46 GMT
#623
On September 27 2011 17:30 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 17:13 Lunas wrote:
On September 27 2011 16:55 Zooper31 wrote:
On September 27 2011 07:31 Eee wrote:
On September 27 2011 07:02 Zooper31 wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 27 2011 06:42 tuho12345 wrote:
Go watch Ruyng vs Stephano BO 5 series and tell me this kid is one of the best Zerg in the world? I call it BS. Terrible from micro to macro to decision making lol. He's not stand out of all the foreigners at all to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_2BShJqDSI&feature=feedu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvSJK2UiKeM&feature=feedu

Yeah, I hate to bash on players, but I can't help but feel stephano is only being spotlighted at all just merely because of the coL and Mill. controversy.

I think he still needs to prove himself as a player, and until he starts placing super high in some big tourneys, I'm still gunna be skeptical.


Agreed. I've never heard of him till the whole coL and Mill. controversy started. Now it's all about Stephano and how good he is and how he's gonna own everyone.

Maybe for Americans, but he's been pretty hyped since pre-hsc3 in the European scene.


What does me being american have anything to do with it? Not like I get my information from some american only site that only showcases Idra/Huk/QXC etc. I go to teamliquid for all my SC info and I pay attention to all the major LANS. He's yet to make any kinda of name for himself at a major tournament and I'll gladly bite my tongue if he stomps through people offline as good as he does online.


I dont know why people keep saying Stephano haven't proved himself at Lans

He placed 5th in HSC 3 beatign Huk 2-0 Lost to Thorzain and MC

His group:

1. Stephano 3-0
2. HuK 2-1
3. iNSoLeNCE 1-2
4. NarutO 0-3

Then he lost to Thorzain 2-0 got into losers bracket and did this:


Jinro 0
Stephano 2

Stephano 2
XlorD 0

White-Ra 1
Stephano 2

MC 2
Stephano 0

He placed 5th together with Idra. This was his first Lan ever and he did all this being an amateur player.

Then he travelled to Assemply summer.

His group:

1. Stephano 3-0
2. Brat_OK 2-1
3. biGs 1-2
4. Satiini 0-3

Round of 16:

Stephano 2
Sen 1

Quaterfinal:

Stephano 2
Seiplo 1

Semifinal:

DIMAGA 3
Stephano 2

Then beat Brat_OK 3-0 to get 3rd..

These are some of the biggest Lans in Europe. If this isn't proving himself at Lans then 90% of all pro sc2 players haven't proved them self either

So plz stop with this sillyness


Ok I'll give in he did good. But some of the players he beat I wouldn't put too much faith in. A slumping Jinro, some no names, and Brat_OK is very overrated imo.


I mean why people keep arguing with this kind of guy, so the no names you are talking about are White Ra ? Sen ? Satinii ? HuK maybe, because comparing to the list of players I just gave why do you even care of the other players he did beat ?

And Brat_ok very overrated, right ok.....You're just fooling yourself with your non sense.

You're just like the guys saying he is hyped because of Col vs Mill story, in europe he is hyped since HSC 3 feel free to check the dates of that event on the liquipedia.
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Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
September 27 2011 08:49 GMT
#624
I am going to laugh so hard if he doesn't make it out of the open bracket in Orlando.
Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 08:52:11
September 27 2011 08:51 GMT
#625
On September 27 2011 17:49 Zalithian wrote:
I am going to laugh so hard if he doesn't make it out of the open bracket in Orlando.


Yea because that's really bad right?. SlayersAlicia must be really fekcing bad
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
September 27 2011 08:52 GMT
#626
On September 27 2011 17:51 Lunas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 17:49 Zalithian wrote:
I am going to laugh so hard if he doesn't make it out of the open bracket in Orlando.


Yea because that's really bad right?. SlayersAlicia must be really fekcing bad


No, because there's 30 pages of people saying how amazing he is and now that's he's a "pro" he's going to roflstomp everyone.
Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
September 27 2011 08:54 GMT
#627
On September 27 2011 17:52 Zalithian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 17:51 Lunas wrote:
On September 27 2011 17:49 Zalithian wrote:
I am going to laugh so hard if he doesn't make it out of the open bracket in Orlando.


Yea because that's really bad right?. SlayersAlicia must be really fekcing bad


No, because there's 30 pages of people saying how amazing he is and now that's he's a "pro" he's going to roflstomp everyone.


He is amazing in foreign standard and my point is if a world class player as SlayersAlicia can get knocked out in the open bracket then its really really hard
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
September 27 2011 08:56 GMT
#628
Not exactly the same, considering Alicia was on his downfall in that period, while Stephano is performing well. I don't think many will argue Alicia hasn't been doing well for quite a while.
Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 08:59:39
September 27 2011 08:58 GMT
#629
On September 27 2011 17:56 Zalithian wrote:
Not exactly the same, considering Alicia was on his downfall in that period, while Stephano is performing well. I don't think many will argue Alicia hasn't been doing well for quite a while.


Im pretty sure if SlayersAlicia haven't been knocked out in the open bracket he would have gone 5-0 in his pool group
Geeji
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany27 Posts
September 27 2011 08:59 GMT
#630
haters gonna hate

Im still waiting for the moment when Stephano beats the shit out of everyone @ tourneys and then laugh about this lol thread.
You got a dream... You gotta protect it. People can't do somethin' themselves, they wanna tell you you can't do it. If you want somethin', go get it. Period.
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 09:03:54
September 27 2011 09:03 GMT
#631
On September 27 2011 17:58 Lunas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 17:56 Zalithian wrote:
Not exactly the same, considering Alicia was on his downfall in that period, while Stephano is performing well. I don't think many will argue Alicia hasn't been doing well for quite a while.


Im pretty sure if SlayersAlicia haven't been knocked out in the open bracket he would have gone 5-0 in his pool group


Not much use to speculate. Orlando will come soon enough.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
September 27 2011 09:05 GMT
#632
On September 27 2011 17:49 Zalithian wrote:
I am going to laugh so hard if he doesn't make it out of the open bracket in Orlando.


Me too. I'll post picks of me burning my fav hat if he makes it out though.
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Vira
Profile Joined November 2010
573 Posts
September 27 2011 09:08 GMT
#633
On September 27 2011 17:49 Zalithian wrote:
I am going to laugh so hard if he doesn't make it out of the open bracket in Orlando.


Yes, we care about MLG ( oups, not at all with this open bracket, and groupstage made for newbie american rewarded by just being here)
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
September 27 2011 09:09 GMT
#634
Players have been hyped up before. Kas was supposedly the greatest terran ever due to his online success and did he ever deliver real results? No. Now nobody thinks hes much more than a good terran. Same goes for Demuslim. Rather spectacular ladder record but did he ever deliver either? Nope. Here I must remind that both of them have of cours done good. But with the words used to describe these players at certain points in time, one would expect them to do much better. Not that considering points like this ever stopped people from jumping in the hypetrain. Sadly, eventually these people will of course end up being right because you can only be wrong so many times I guess, and then they'll think that they showed everyone. Oh well, whether Stephano does good or bad doesn't matter much to me. I know that I am the rational one taking this position that so far there is no reason to hype him up as much as people in this thread do.
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
BigLighthouse
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom424 Posts
September 27 2011 09:12 GMT
#635
On September 27 2011 18:09 Squeegy wrote:
Players have been hyped up before. Kas was supposedly the greatest terran ever due to his online success and did he ever deliver real results? No. Now nobody thinks hes much more than a good terran. Same goes for Demuslim. Rather spectacular ladder record but did he ever deliver either? Nope. Here I must remind that both of them have of cours done good. But with the words used to describe these players at certain points in time, one would expect them to do much better. Not that considering points like this ever stopped people from jumping in the hypetrain. Sadly, eventually these people will of course end up being right because you can only be wrong so many times I guess, and then they'll think that they showed everyone. Oh well, whether Stephano does good or bad doesn't matter much to me. I know that I am the rational one taking this position that so far there is no reason to hype him up as much as people in this thread do.


Well Kas DID kind of get 3rd at TSL and 2nd at CPH (I think that was the one) when he was playing at what you might call the peak of his hype and demuslim DID kind of fuck his arm up so stopped playing.. but im sure your point is still bang on
bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
September 27 2011 09:14 GMT
#636
We will know soon. IPL is coming....

The MLG Open Bracket is scary. MLG sucks in that so many players that are better than some of the people that get their spot automatically. At least this ladder run proves that he can play consistenly again very different kinds of players. Ladder does simulate the Open Bracket quite wel...
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Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
September 27 2011 09:15 GMT
#637
On September 27 2011 18:08 Vira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 17:49 Zalithian wrote:
I am going to laugh so hard if he doesn't make it out of the open bracket in Orlando.


Yes, we care about MLG ( oups, not at all with this open bracket, and groupstage made for newbie american rewarded by just being here)


Yeah, Stephano obbiously doesn't care. Guess that's why he's going...
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 09:17:20
September 27 2011 09:15 GMT
#638

Why did this double post. QQ.
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
September 27 2011 09:16 GMT
#639
He's good, no doubt, but I think a lot of us can tone it down with all the "He's the best player in the world/ever/of all time/ (insert measurement)". Regardless, can't wait to see him perform.

Reading what other skeptics have to say though it seems like unless you've actually won a tournament with a bunch of Koreans in it, you're only "good" not great. Come on people...

Does that mean only HuK is worth his salt? How exciting for the foreign scene. -_-
ZorBa.G
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia279 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 09:24:34
September 27 2011 09:20 GMT
#640
What gets me here is "if" Stepahno wasn't to get through the open brackets, everyone would just get up on their high horse and say "yeh I said he wouldn't do well."

Everyone needs to remember, it's just one tourney. You could be the best player in the world, but if your not in the right mindset or just having a bad day (which we all have) that can cost you the tournament. Not because your a "bad" player. Personally, I think Stephano is going to rip shit up (although I freaking hate zerg!) and good luck to him.

Fact is, wether anyone likes it or not... his ladder stats are quiet a feat! It already says that hes a formiddable opponent.

He had already proved that he has skills (ladder). But ladder and tournament are two very different things!

EDIT: Also, how many pro actually stream and practice the same strats on ladder? If I was pro, I would probably only use my tourney strats with practice partners and only run it maybe once or twice on ladder.

So either;

1. Is stephano hiding anything new from anyone that we will see in upcoming tournaments? In this case, this guy is going to be one insane player to watch.

2. Does stephano unload all of his ammo on ladder where the rest of the pro hide it until tourney time? In this case, he could just flunk out in tourneys.

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