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hoor3x
Profile Joined September 2010
United States100 Posts
September 22 2011 13:08 GMT
#261
If I recall Jason Lake is a lawyer, I wouldn't have tried any funny business like that under his watch. On the other side, that's what coL gets for hiring a frenchman.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45049 Posts
September 22 2011 13:14 GMT
#262
On September 22 2011 21:58 DertoQq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 21:46 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On September 22 2011 21:26 freewareplayer wrote:
So he will mainly only play french events, has to pay own money as fine, and likely wont reach his full potential at millenium...

shouldve stayed with complexity..


I'm so tired with the "millenium will send stephano only in French event" -_-


That's pretty much what the guy from Millenium said if I remember correctly.


I thought he just said that Stephano would not be going to Korea... although I could have missed something explaining that Stephano's prospects would be even more exclusive.

How about we just quote some stuff? ^^
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
BoBiNoU
Profile Joined March 2011
France181 Posts
September 22 2011 13:23 GMT
#263
Positive thing out of this is that France gets its first SC2 programer with Stephano
go m00
momonami5
Profile Joined July 2011
United States109 Posts
September 22 2011 13:25 GMT
#264
On September 22 2011 20:14 Kerm wrote:
Did Destiny get a fine back when he left coL ?

Just saying ....

I'm happy this gets to an end though


why would you get fined for getting fired?
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
September 22 2011 13:27 GMT
#265
EG to the rescue! Happy things turned out for the best!
A time to live.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 13:31:02
September 22 2011 13:29 GMT
#266
On September 22 2011 22:23 BoBiNoU wrote:
Positive thing out of this is that France gets its first SC2 programer with Stephano


moman, adel scott, SarenS, and ToD don't count?

EDIT: Forgot about AureS.... I mean team millenium is like an all french team right?

EDIT 2: Nope, Millen is not an all french team, but if you look it up there're actually quite a few french pro teams!
A time to live.
Darkthur
Profile Joined May 2010
France18 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 13:38:11
September 22 2011 13:35 GMT
#267
Stephano is ofc not the first to get paid, but he is the first to actually have a real working contract by french law, with minimun wage, social protection, etc.

Edit: well moman had a real contract with his previous team cybernation, but he was officially working in the cybercafe, and was not playing full time.
aut vincere aut mori
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
September 22 2011 13:37 GMT
#268
On September 22 2011 22:29 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 22:23 BoBiNoU wrote:
Positive thing out of this is that France gets its first SC2 programer with Stephano


moman, adel scott, SarenS, and ToD don't count?

EDIT: Forgot about AureS.... I mean team millenium is like an all french team right?

EDIT 2: Nope, Millen is not an all french team, but if you look it up there're actually quite a few french pro teams!

I don't know how to explain this very well, but he is the first one who got a worker contract, so some of the money goes to his pension fund, health insurance etc.
Favorite players: Stephano, Mana, Polt, Lucifron, Nerchio
Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
September 22 2011 13:38 GMT
#269
Alex Garfield did a good thing for EG's PR, now I have seen it all! On a more serious note, I'm glad we avoided legal actions. Stephano paying a fine will still send a message to players without all the added drama of litigation.
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
September 22 2011 13:55 GMT
#270
Stephano, why you be trippin?
Hope he does well in the future.
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
Dandy_Moustachu
Profile Joined July 2010
France422 Posts
September 22 2011 13:58 GMT
#271
On September 22 2011 21:58 DertoQq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 21:46 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On September 22 2011 21:26 freewareplayer wrote:
So he will mainly only play french events, has to pay own money as fine, and likely wont reach his full potential at millenium...

shouldve stayed with complexity..


I'm so tired with the "millenium will send stephano only in French event" -_-


That's pretty much what the guy from Millenium said if I remember correctly.


They send they'll not drop the french E-sport scene and send Stephano to these french event, UNLESS there is some EU/world event where Stephano is invited/qualified/interested to go.

Talking about EU event, i'd like if someone remember what Llewellys said about dreamhack Valencia :
- Stephano wasn't invited ?
- Stephano/Mill wasn't interested to go ?
They said something about it, but I don't remember
Pif Paf Pouf
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 22 2011 14:01 GMT
#272
On September 22 2011 21:58 DertoQq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 21:46 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On September 22 2011 21:26 freewareplayer wrote:
So he will mainly only play french events, has to pay own money as fine, and likely wont reach his full potential at millenium...

shouldve stayed with complexity..


I'm so tired with the "millenium will send stephano only in French event" -_-


That's pretty much what the guy from Millenium said if I remember correctly.



That's exactly what the Millenium SC2 manager said on stream. However, it seems like a lot of things he said on that stream have been pulled back by the organization as a whole. For example, he also said that they were just going to purposefully ignore coL's emails, whereas the current M statement says that it was "time differences" that made them delay talking to coL. He also said the "disorienting" thing.

I think what happened is probably that the Millenium sc2 guy was awake when the overall boss(es) of the team were asleep or offline, and he was being blusterey and nationalistic on stream, but that he wasn't actually pronouncing team policy or talking based on any long term plans they actually made.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 22 2011 14:07 GMT
#273
On September 22 2011 22:35 Darkthur wrote:
Stephano is ofc not the first to get paid, but he is the first to actually have a real working contract by french law, with minimun wage, social protection, etc.

Edit: well moman had a real contract with his previous team cybernation, but he was officially working in the cybercafe, and was not playing full time.


What about ToD when he was playing Warcraft three? Wasn't he like the second best western player?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
ploo
Profile Joined September 2011
France2 Posts
September 22 2011 14:10 GMT
#274
On September 22 2011 23:01 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 21:58 DertoQq wrote:
On September 22 2011 21:46 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On September 22 2011 21:26 freewareplayer wrote:
So he will mainly only play french events, has to pay own money as fine, and likely wont reach his full potential at millenium...

shouldve stayed with complexity..


I'm so tired with the "millenium will send stephano only in French event" -_-


That's pretty much what the guy from Millenium said if I remember correctly.



That's exactly what the Millenium SC2 manager said on stream. However, it seems like a lot of things he said on that stream have been pulled back by the organization as a whole. For example, he also said that they were just going to purposefully ignore coL's emails, whereas the current M statement says that it was "time differences" that made them delay talking to coL. He also said the "disorienting" thing.

I think what happened is probably that the Millenium sc2 guy was awake when the overall boss(es) of the team were asleep or offline, and he was being blusterey and nationalistic on stream, but that he wasn't actually pronouncing team policy or talking based on any long term plans they actually made.


Did you listen the stream or did you read something because this not what he said on his stream ....
He never said he won't answer the mails, he had a programed showmatch to stream with players not involved in the "drama" so they deserved to be streamed before, and coL mails could wait. It's also not him who talked about a "disorienting" thing, contrary he said it was a bit too much to say that !!

hYrasD
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany164 Posts
September 22 2011 14:14 GMT
#275
fair solution and alle parties keep their face
IMMVP || coLMVPDRG || SlayerSMMA || EG DeMusliM || Hwaiting!
DertoQq
Profile Joined October 2010
France906 Posts
September 22 2011 14:16 GMT
#276
On September 22 2011 22:29 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 22:23 BoBiNoU wrote:
Positive thing out of this is that France gets its first SC2 programer with Stephano


moman, adel scott, SarenS, and ToD don't count?

EDIT: Forgot about AureS.... I mean team millenium is like an all french team right?

EDIT 2: Nope, Millen is not an all french team, but if you look it up there're actually quite a few french pro teams!


I think Millenium said he was the first french SC2 progamer as in he is the only one with a real working contract (with taxes, social security and all that stuff...)
"i've made some empty promises in my life, but hands down that was the most generous" - Michael Scott
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
September 22 2011 14:36 GMT
#277
I didn't see this solution but I must say it sounds like this turned out about as best it could.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
cerka
Profile Joined February 2011
United States39 Posts
September 22 2011 14:56 GMT
#278
At least there isn't a major lawsuit surrounding ESPORTS drama.

I still don't like this resolution, but complexity seemed very determined to prove that their contract was legitimate and that millenium was indebted to coL. I guess it is the best that we could have hoped for.
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
September 22 2011 15:06 GMT
#279
nice good news
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
September 22 2011 15:19 GMT
#280
On September 22 2011 23:01 strongandbig wrote:
That's exactly what the Millenium SC2 manager said on stream. However, it seems like a lot of things he said on that stream have been pulled back by the organization as a whole. For example, he also said that they were just going to purposefully ignore coL's emails, whereas the current M statement says that it was "time differences" that made them delay talking to coL. He also said the "disorienting" thing.

I think what happened is probably that the Millenium sc2 guy was awake when the overall boss(es) of the team were asleep or offline, and he was being blusterey and nationalistic on stream, but that he wasn't actually pronouncing team policy or talking based on any long term plans they actually made.

So you speak french right ? If you don't, then you can't possibly know for sure, and based on personal experience, I would say that Americans speaking french are very uncommon even on the internet. They said they had other things to do (aka casting a Showmatch between 2 players who had nothing to do with the story) and they wanted to think about the proper action before answering which is better than most of the TLers have done on the subject.

Also I'd like you to show some respect for a team manager that has done more for his team and competitive gaming in France than you ever will in your country.
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