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Kerm
Profile Joined April 2010
France467 Posts
September 22 2011 11:14 GMT
#241
Did Destiny get a fine back when he left coL ?

Just saying ....

I'm happy this gets to an end though
What i know is that I know nothing - [http://twitter.com/UncleKerm]
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
September 22 2011 11:21 GMT
#242
On September 22 2011 20:14 Kerm wrote:
Did Destiny get a fine back when he left coL ?

Just saying ....

I'm happy this gets to an end though


Didn't Destiny leave coL on mutual agreement, even though no party was really happy?
neo_sporin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States516 Posts
September 22 2011 11:35 GMT
#243
On September 22 2011 08:17 Deathmanbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 08:16 youngminii wrote:
Sucks that Complexity comes out on the bottom end.



There was no good coming of this from the Col side, they lost a great player in a horrible fashion that cause a lot of drama. At the end of the day you can only get money because you cant force a player to play for you if he clearly does not want to


QFT--if a player doesnt want to play for you they just wont try, otherwise you can
a) punish the player/other team financially and get money
b) punish the player/other team and if the contract has some non-competition agreement for some period of time, disallow him from competing for another team.

either way they lose the player.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 22 2011 11:40 GMT
#244
On September 22 2011 20:14 Kerm wrote:
Did Destiny get a fine back when he left coL ?

Just saying ....

I'm happy this gets to an end though


That's not at all the same thing...

Just saying.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44271 Posts
September 22 2011 11:40 GMT
#245
On September 22 2011 20:08 SamsLiST wrote:
hah, I knew eG had their fingers in that stuff -.-


....................What?

They helped resolve the issue. Nothing more.

EG = Helpful, in this whole Stephano/ Millenium/ Complexity mess.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44271 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 11:42:05
September 22 2011 11:41 GMT
#246
On September 22 2011 20:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 20:14 Kerm wrote:
Did Destiny get a fine back when he left coL ?

Just saying ....

I'm happy this gets to an end though


Didn't Destiny leave coL on mutual agreement, even though no party was really happy?


Yeah. It was a completely different scenario.

Both parties agreed to end the contract early. No hard feelings there, and no scandal.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
September 22 2011 11:41 GMT
#247
glad they finished the drama in a civilized "real-world" fashion - I would've been dissatisfied if col had just dropped it completely; this is good for esports as in the future, hopefully, nobody will sign a contract light-hearted
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
September 22 2011 11:48 GMT
#248
so basically stephano got f*d it's a real life lesson for him.
anyway I think he would've probably been better off with complexity for they're a bigger team
Cobbbler
Profile Joined July 2010
United States60 Posts
September 22 2011 11:59 GMT
#249
It kind of irks me that Stephano was the one who got screwed at the end of the day. While I realize it sets a president to contracted players, it still seemed like the whole controversy was Complexity and Millenium convincing him to stay with their teams.

So now that he listened to both of them, he gets screwed. That really sucks. And of course there's nothing he can do about it, he's just an 18 year old kid. He's essentially taking the blame for what both companies did.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 12:04:40
September 22 2011 12:03 GMT
#250
On September 22 2011 20:59 Cobbbler wrote:
He's essentially taking the blame for what both companies did.


wut? how could anyone possibly bring the "bad big companies screwing the small, innocent boy" into this?

in the middle-ages, people were considered "mature" and went to war at the age of 15 for crying out loud. If you don't know what to do and what not to do at the age of 18, you have bigger problems than buying yourself out of a contract. I'd even consider this as a pretty big insult to stephano...to say, he's just a kid who has no idea how reallife works.

He made a mistake, should face it, learn from it, grow from it. No long-term-harm done. But seeing how many people blame col/Mill for that just makes me mad.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
September 22 2011 12:20 GMT
#251
So with shitty logic from me, col had a contract. Would have been impossible to enforce due to France laws where you can possibly break a contract within a certain time frame if you didn't make use of it, or due to the fact that it would be legal to leave a certain length job for indeterminate length one. At most they could have made life hard for Stephano in the US, but spending a lot of money and not getting their player.

Mill's counteroffer was high enough, they didn't break any laws to get him back just a bit of their image due to col not taking into account the full extent of French laws that, like most socialist countries, defend the weaker partner in a contract (I can, in Romania, break a loan contract with a bank within 15 days of signing, without any reason, as long as I didn't make use of the money).

Stephano was indecisive and I think someone posted here he's a bit distracted. For a young man that does lead to a lot of issues. All part of growing up. No doubt he will learn something from this, he seems smart enough.
starmeat_
Profile Joined May 2011
105 Posts
September 22 2011 12:24 GMT
#252
Looks like Stephano got effed over for the incompetence of Complexity to approach Millenium when they were showing interest in Stephano.

Teams need to deal with teams. Teams should not approach players behind other teams backs.
freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
September 22 2011 12:26 GMT
#253
So he will mainly only play french events, has to pay own money as fine, and likely wont reach his full potential at millenium...

shouldve stayed with complexity..
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44271 Posts
September 22 2011 12:40 GMT
#254
On September 22 2011 21:24 starmeat_ wrote:
Looks like Stephano got effed over for the incompetence of Complexity to approach Millenium when they were showing interest in Stephano.

Teams need to deal with teams. Teams should not approach players behind other teams backs.


Oh my gosh...

Seriously?

No, it doesn't look like that at all. Not if you read through any of the threads about this.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
September 22 2011 12:45 GMT
#255
On September 22 2011 21:24 starmeat_ wrote:
Looks like Stephano got effed over for the incompetence of Complexity to approach Millenium when they were showing interest in Stephano.

Teams need to deal with teams. Teams should not approach players behind other teams backs.


Teams need to deal with teams when players are contracted to them, otherwise they have no claim to them.

This was established during the EG/TSL incident, and back then the only reason to be negative about EG's approach was because of the cultural difference and Koreans by and large avoiding contracting their players, it was scene as taking advantage of a cultural difference. However, with the resolved, it was established for TSL and every team(that was and should have been paying attention) that if your players are not contracted, other teams do not have to contact you.
Dandy_Moustachu
Profile Joined July 2010
France422 Posts
September 22 2011 12:46 GMT
#256
On September 22 2011 21:26 freewareplayer wrote:
So he will mainly only play french events, has to pay own money as fine, and likely wont reach his full potential at millenium...

shouldve stayed with complexity..


I'm so tired with the "millenium will send stephano only in French event" -_-
Pif Paf Pouf
ploo
Profile Joined September 2011
France2 Posts
September 22 2011 12:57 GMT
#257
On September 22 2011 21:26 freewareplayer wrote:
So he will mainly only play french events, has to pay own money as fine, and likely wont reach his full potential at millenium...

shouldve stayed with complexity..


Please guys, stop saying that Stephano will only play french events with Millenium this is not true, he is certainly going to the next MLG.

I've also read a few time that he lost his chances to go to korea by not going to col, which is not true neither!! It has been clearly said on Millenium's stream that Stephano doesn't want to go to Korea for a long period but only for a couple of months which he will be able to do with Millenium. The difference with ToD is that he wanted to go to Korea for a longer period, and this wasn't in the plans of M, because of the low visibilty in France/EU for a player living in KR compare to the investment.



DertoQq
Profile Joined October 2010
France906 Posts
September 22 2011 12:58 GMT
#258
On September 22 2011 21:46 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 21:26 freewareplayer wrote:
So he will mainly only play french events, has to pay own money as fine, and likely wont reach his full potential at millenium...

shouldve stayed with complexity..


I'm so tired with the "millenium will send stephano only in French event" -_-


That's pretty much what the guy from Millenium said if I remember correctly.
"i've made some empty promises in my life, but hands down that was the most generous" - Michael Scott
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
September 22 2011 13:03 GMT
#259
On September 22 2011 21:26 freewareplayer wrote:
So he will mainly only play french events, has to pay own money as fine, and likely wont reach his full potential at millenium...

shouldve stayed with complexity..

Because IPL3 , MLG orlando and dreamhack winter are french events.
He wont focus only on french scene, that was misinformation that was spread few days ago
Favorite players: Stephano, Mana, Polt, Lucifron, Nerchio
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
September 22 2011 13:03 GMT
#260
Should have been 'coL and Millenium', never seen 'Mill' before, think they go by [M] for abbreviate purposes.
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