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XeLou
Profile Joined September 2011
Spain5 Posts
September 22 2011 08:05 GMT
#221
People will learn form their errors, whoever the "people" here may be.
To play or not to play, that is the question.
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
September 22 2011 08:11 GMT
#222
great to see things got sorted, hoepfully both teams move on forward from this and Complexity sign someone instead of Stephano!!! Seeing that theyw ere singing Nani anyway!!!
Live and Let Die!
Yomi-no-Kuni
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany333 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 08:22:28
September 22 2011 08:21 GMT
#223
so whats in it for evil genius? they must have a masterplan to do something this kind! :D

awesome job, nice to see something like this can be settled!

i don't understand though why in e-sports nobody ever comes out with any numbers...
what is "a strong penalty" in form of a fine?
does Stephano pay it by himself or is he supported by Millenium? would be nice to know... investive journalism in starcraft ftw.
motiust
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia97 Posts
September 22 2011 08:25 GMT
#224
And I'm sure Stephano didn't get any fine, as this is all but a save-face statement for coL and Mill
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
September 22 2011 08:26 GMT
#225
On September 22 2011 17:25 motiust wrote:
And I'm sure Stephano didn't get any fine, as this is all but a save-face statement for coL and Mill

and im sure you have no clue what you are talking about
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Postman
Profile Joined July 2010
United States269 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 08:30:46
September 22 2011 08:29 GMT
#226
On September 22 2011 17:21 Yomi-no-Kuni wrote:
so whats in it for evil genius? they must have a masterplan to do something this kind! :D

awesome job, nice to see something like this can be settled!

i don't understand though why in e-sports nobody ever comes out with any numbers...
what is "a strong penalty" in form of a fine?
does Stephano pay it by himself or is he supported by Millenium? would be nice to know... investive journalism in starcraft ftw.

Honestly I think it's best that we don't know all that yet. The amount isn't important anyway, what's important is that a correct precedent was set here. This was a bad situation, highlighting the many issues possible between players and teams. Complexity and Mill handled it the best they could, and set a proper precedent.

With all the possibilities for errors and legal issues with contracts between international parties (especially when teams are to young to have any dedicated legal council much less one with experience in that particular country's law) the scene can't afford to have perfect legalities, but a set of community guidelines is something that is needed. Contracts NEED to matter for the scene to have a healthy existence. You take away contract legitimacy and sponsorships will go down the drain because no one wants to invest in a scene where their star player can suddenly switch to another team with no repercussions.

A few years from now, I'd absolutely love to know all of those details. But right now I think we should all just be happy this was solved in a way that sets a good precedent for the future (regardless of any possible vagueness of the specific situation).
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
September 22 2011 08:34 GMT
#227
Think this was the best solution... not counting if this had never happened
Elden
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada22 Posts
September 22 2011 08:34 GMT
#228
Good to see this resolved. I'm also happier that stephano got fined. I know its harsh but it has to be a harsh penalty to walk away from a signed contract.

We don't expect any less from other professional athletes. E-sports should be the same in my opinion.
You cannot always get what you want. But if you try real hard you can get what you need.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
September 22 2011 08:49 GMT
#229
What?? Alex Garfield was involved in this? I knew EG had something to do with this.. hehe

I'm glad they worked it out.. it's like regular sports, if a team forces a player both parties will lose in the end because a angry/unhappy player won't deserve the support of the team and the team would be better off spending on another player..

For me this situation is resolved in the best way possible, Stephano stays with the team he wants, Col gets some money off this situation and cleans their image and Millenium gets the player and also cleans their image..

I'm fine with this!
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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
September 22 2011 08:50 GMT
#230
On September 22 2011 13:51 wei2coolman wrote:
Man, this whole debacle got me all "disoriented".

I hope you didn't sign any contracts in the meantime.
Tryxtira
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden572 Posts
September 22 2011 08:53 GMT
#231
So the story is over, but Stephano's part seems to be what really fucked it all up to start with, he's definitely lost some good will in all this, so Millenium got their player, now with less good will, and he also has to pay coL. I just really think it seems like Stephano acted like an arse in all of this...
Surili
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1141 Posts
September 22 2011 08:56 GMT
#232
On September 22 2011 17:25 motiust wrote:
And I'm sure Stephano didn't get any fine, as this is all but a save-face statement for coL and Mill

Don't even say shit like that. Why do people constantly think that their opinion requires posting when it is in contrary to all information?

I for one think this is the best outcome that we could have had, it set a precedent for not screwing teams over, and no-one had to go to litigation, which i think would have weakened the image of both teams.

Good job Col, Alex Garfield and millennium. And i wish you luck in the future stephano.

PS by the openness that Col dealt with this, i have become a huge CoL fan.

The world is ending what should we do about it?
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
September 22 2011 09:00 GMT
#233
On September 22 2011 17:25 motiust wrote:
And I'm sure Stephano didn't get any fine, as this is all but a save-face statement for coL and Mill


What would Col have to gain by agreeing to such misinformation?
Banelings are too cute to blow up
nicksson
Profile Joined April 2004
Sweden110 Posts
September 22 2011 09:18 GMT
#234
On September 22 2011 08:08 Deathmanbob wrote:
Damn, sorry i put this in the wrong section, sorry can a MOD move it please?


you fucked up good
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
September 22 2011 09:19 GMT
#235
Well good news I guess

In the end who does Stephano end up playing for? Millenium? or neither of the two teams?
Romanes eunt domus
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 22 2011 09:22 GMT
#236
On September 22 2011 18:19 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Well good news I guess

In the end who does Stephano end up playing for? Millenium? or neither of the two teams?

Millenium.

And to the post asking what does EG have to do with this, on Lo3 Jason Bass mentioned that Alex Garfield has been talking with major teams about forming something like the G7, but better, which is badly needed to help prevent something like this from happening again among other things.
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ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
September 22 2011 09:40 GMT
#237
Am glad it's over and done with. Glad all parties came to a settlement!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
September 22 2011 10:31 GMT
#238
dunno, somehow it feels to me that Stephano took part of the blame for Mill, considering how Mill. badmouthed compLexity in their first public statement. But maybe that's just what Stephano told them and they only believed their players (which is a good thing).
R3N
Profile Joined March 2011
740 Posts
September 22 2011 11:05 GMT
#239
They (CoL) say they didn't contacted Millennium directly yet at first they said they'd been negotiating for weeks?!

Yeah, glad this is over...
SamsLiST
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany184 Posts
September 22 2011 11:08 GMT
#240
hah, I knew eG had their fingers in that stuff -.-
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