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<3 for having boxer invited, hopefully he can survive his group, although it will be very tough. I'll always believe in you!!!
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hoping Protoss do well, Group A looks hardest really want Stephano to do well as well so would lvoe both HuK and Stephano to get out of Group A!!!
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Sick sick line-up, can't wait !
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On September 22 2011 11:29 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 09:16 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:25 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 07:06 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:02 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 06:58 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote:
What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/
Where has Stephano been posting results? Ignorance is bliss. 1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans 2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition. At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament. He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1 There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball! But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG. Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG. Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack. and so on... No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now. Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there. Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third. What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen" You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
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totalbiscuit's visa issues?
what, there are visas between usa and uk???
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On September 22 2011 19:00 Ganseng wrote:
totalbiscuit's visa issues?
what, there are visas between usa and uk???
Don't quote me on this but he was mistakenly placed on a "Possible Terrorist" list and is having a lot of issues with the US State Department trying to reverse that.
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On September 22 2011 18:46 Atrimex wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 11:29 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 09:16 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:25 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 07:06 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:02 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 06:58 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote:
What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/
Where has Stephano been posting results? Ignorance is bliss. 1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans 2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition. At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament. He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1 There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball! But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG. Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG. Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack. and so on... No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now. Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there. Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third. What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen" You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi. First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes:
Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL.
White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM.
Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv.
Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
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Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2.
If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;(
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On September 22 2011 19:28 Nadarath wrote:
Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2.
If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;(
yeah mana+nerchio is the 2 of the best Euros atm. Really which foreign toss (that is not living in korea  ) is better than mana atm? And nerchio, well judging from his latest triumphs, he's looks totally unstoppable.
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On September 22 2011 19:19 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 18:46 Atrimex wrote:On September 22 2011 11:29 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 09:16 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:25 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 07:06 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:02 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 06:58 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote:
What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/
Where has Stephano been posting results? Ignorance is bliss. 1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans 2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition. At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament. He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1 There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball! But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG. Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG. Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack. and so on... No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now. Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there. Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third. What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen" You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi. First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra). In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC. They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
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IPL > MLG & NASL
Free 720 stream, Awesome production quality. IGN U RUULE!
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On September 22 2011 19:19 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 18:46 Atrimex wrote:On September 22 2011 11:29 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 09:16 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:25 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 07:06 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:02 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 06:58 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote:
What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/
Where has Stephano been posting results? Ignorance is bliss. 1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans 2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition. At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament. He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1 There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball! But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG. Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG. Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack. and so on... No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now. Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there. Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third. What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen" You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi. First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra). In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC. They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
GoOdy beat Nestea , i think IdrA SeleCT nAni or White-ra hasnt done that right?
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On September 22 2011 19:28 Nadarath wrote:
Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2.
If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;(
Yeah, I don't get why they didn't invite top3 of IPL2.
And Mana and Nerchio are among top foreigners.
They should have taken the place of Select and Ret.
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On September 22 2011 20:50 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 19:28 Nadarath wrote:
Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2.
If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;( Yeah, I don't get why they didn't invite top3 of IPL2. And Mana and Nerchio are among top foreigners. They should have taken the place of Select and Ret.
Well dont get me wrong - i think all of the players that got invited are top world class SC2 so i wouldnt swap anyone. Still would be nice if IGN gave some info on that matter.
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On September 22 2011 20:15 Atrimex wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 19:19 Kevan wrote:On September 22 2011 18:46 Atrimex wrote:On September 22 2011 11:29 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 09:16 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:25 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 07:06 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:02 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 06:58 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote:
What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/
Where has Stephano been posting results? Ignorance is bliss. 1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans 2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition. At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament. He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1 There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball! But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG. Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG. Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack. and so on... No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now. Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there. Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third. What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen" You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi. First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra). In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC. They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results. MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to be better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh
Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
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On September 22 2011 20:15 Atrimex wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 19:19 Kevan wrote:On September 22 2011 18:46 Atrimex wrote:On September 22 2011 11:29 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 09:16 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:25 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 07:06 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:02 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 06:58 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote:
What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/
Where has Stephano been posting results? Ignorance is bliss. 1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans 2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition. At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament. He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1 There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball! But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG. Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG. Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack. and so on... No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now. Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there. Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third. What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen" You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi. First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra). In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC. They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results. MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these.
What the fuck, are you serious?
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hes right there were no koreans.
look at for instance the msi procup lineup
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On September 22 2011 21:13 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 20:15 Atrimex wrote:On September 22 2011 19:19 Kevan wrote:On September 22 2011 18:46 Atrimex wrote:On September 22 2011 11:29 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 09:16 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:25 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 07:06 Lunas wrote:On September 22 2011 07:02 Blasphemi wrote:On September 22 2011 06:58 Lunas wrote:
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Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball! But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG. Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG. Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack. and so on... No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now. Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there. Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third. What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen" You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi. First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra). In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC. They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results. MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them. They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won). @ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs? Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea
We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
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On September 22 2011 22:00 JohnMatrix wrote:
hes right there were no koreans.
look at for instance the msi procup lineup
and nealy no EU players.
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