As IGN Pro League 3 at Caesars Atlantic City draws closer, we are excited to announce more about the event, both for our live attendees and for the stream viewers at home! Read on for more information on our free streams, additional Prime streams, the bracket challenge, live autograph sessions and panels, the addition of a $20,000 League of Legends tournament, and more!
Free Streams
With the help of Justin.TV and IPL TV (IGN's own proprietary stream viewing webpage), absolutely everyone will be able to enjoy two free streams throughout the entire event! Both streams will be shown in 720p high-definition resolution.
The Main Stage stream will be showing games from Pool Play on Thursday and Friday, and Championship Bracket games on Saturday and Sunday! We intend to show every single game from the Championship Bracket!
The second stream will feature games from the live open bracket games on Thursday and Friday, and will be showing the League of Legends tournament all day Saturday and Sunday!
Prime Streams
We are happy to announce a partnership with IGN Prime and are thrilled to be able to provide four additional streams to members of IGN Prime live from the tournament floor! The additional streams available to Prime members include:
Player Vision - Main Stage - This stream will be a split screen feed showing the first-person view of each player in the current main stage game. You could turn on the free stream with our commentators and watch each player demonstrating their professional APM and never miss a thing!
Player Vision - Qualifier Stage - This stream will be a split screen feed showing the first-person view of each player in the current qualifier stage game!
LiveU Roaming Backpack Camera at Caesars - This camera will be wandering around the main stage area interviewing players, behind the scenes in the player lounge, and throughout the crowd.
LiveU Roaming Backpack Camera at Bally's - This camera will be out and about in the Bally's area, streaming the open bracket competitor area, interviewing players, behind the scenes footage, and talking with spectators.
Bug note: This is a work in progress, for example if you click on a Prime stream then you will be locked into that and need to refresh. We are also working on split screen!
IGN Prime is a service that offers discounts on games, exclusive access to video game beta tests, VIP access at events (like IPL 3!), strategy guides, tutorial videos made by professional gamers, and more! The service is $6.95 per month, $49.95 per year ($4.16 / month), or $79.95 for 2 years ($3.33 / month). The more games you play, the more valuable the service becomes!
IGN Prime Championship Online Bracket Challenge
IGN Prime members will be able to participate in an online bracket challenge, similar to March Madness pools. After the live open bracket concludes on Friday and our Championship Bracket is fully seeded, you'll be able to log in and fill out a bracket of your very own! There will be prizes for the top 15 brackets, and you can earn up to $1,000 cash for your picks!
Autographs and Panels
We will be running panels each night (except Sunday) on the Qualifier stage at Bally's! Here is an example of what we will be doing:
Gordon Hayward Autograph Signing
Pro Player Autograph Signings
Live on 3 Live!
Business of eSports Panel
Pro Player Panel
Game Developer Panels
Other Stuff! - TBA
These panels will be streamed as well!
IGN Prime Booth
Live attendees will be able to play the following games on Thursday and Friday at our sponsor booth!
We are super excited to announce our second game at IGN Pro League 3 at Caesars in Atlantic City: League of Legends from Riot Games! We know that StarCraft 2 and League of Legends have a lot of crossover, as evidenced by TeamLiquid's own League of Legends forum and the option to stream LoL instead of SC2 on their stream tracker. Here are some details about our LoL tournament:
A best of 3, single-elimination bracket will begin on Saturday, October 8th and conclude on Sunday, October 9th.
$20,000 prize pool!
Games will be cast on one of our free streams throughout the tournament!
Where:
Caesar's and Bally's, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States To book your hotel stay at the cheapest possible rate, use our special discount with Bally’s!
Circus Maximus
Bally's (will be set up differently)
When:
October 6th-9th with games starting at 11 a.m. EDT each day!
Who:
Invited Players: Player 1: dignitas.SeleCT Player 2: EG.IdrA Player 3: Liquid`Ret Player 4: mouz.ThorZaIN Player 5: Tt.WhiteRa Player 6: SlayerS`Boxer Player 7: EG.HuK Player 8: oGs.SK.MC
Qualified Players: Player 1: SlayerS`_Sleep Player 2: Liquid`HerO Player 3: SlayerS`_Ryung Player 4: TSL.aLive Player 5: Mill.Stephano Player 6: SlayerS`_MMA Player 7: imbaFXO.Strelok Player 8: oGs.TheSTC
Casters: CatsPajamas HDStarCraft PainUser dApollo djWheat Doa TotalBiscuit (if visa issues get resolved)
Don’t forget if you buy a pass online (silver package and above) you get a swag bag! This swag bag will contain:
IPL Limited Edition T-Shirt - Will not be reprinted again! IPL Tote Bag/Backpack IPL Dogtag DC Comics The New 52 Issue 1 Magic the Gathering Cards
Plus more!
Sponsors
We would like to thank our sponsors and partners for making this a possibility!
AMD Mountain Dew IGN Prime Visine Harrah’s Astro Gaming Razer Playhem Riot Wizards of the Coast Team Liquid
And to the community, since you're the reason we can do this in the first place! We hope to see you there in Atlantic City in a couple weeks! Some passes are getting close to being sold out, so buy your tickets soon!
UPDATE: IGN Prime has purchased a limited amount of spectator and player passes and are giving them away for FREE to their members! http://login.ign.com/prime/promos/ipl3/ You will be asked to log in to receive directions on how to claim your free tickets!
Those groups are insane I got no idea who gonna make it true
Group 1 seems to be the group of death, However Stephano beat Huk last time they meet and he is very strong in ZvT I think Stephano and Alive gonna take the top 2 spots
MC should take group 2 unless his confidence have been shattered in GSL
Group 3 is between Thorzain and Hero I think.
Group 4 the state of TvP is strongly Terran favored so I dont think white-ra can beat Stc and MMA However, I do think he can take out idra. Stc and MMA to win the group White-ra third and Idra 4th
On September 22 2011 03:19 Olinim wrote: Just to clarify groups are for seeding like MLG right? Looked through the threads but I'm not sure how it works.
Yes group play determines their seed in the championship bracket.
On September 22 2011 03:19 Olinim wrote: Just to clarify groups are for seeding like MLG right? Looked through the threads but I'm not sure how it works.
Yes group play determines their seed in the championship bracket.
Damn those are some ridiculous groups. I feel bad for idra. Pretty good chance he's going to go 0-3. I hope MC bounces back this tournament. It's sad to see someone who was so big in the scene so recently just start to slump so hard.
On September 22 2011 03:30 Shellshock1122 wrote: Damn those are some ridiculous groups. I feel bad for idra. Pretty good chance he's going to go 0-3. I hope MC bounces back this tournament. It's sad to see someone who was so big in the scene so recently just start to slump so hard.
Totally agree with you I just hope his confidence haven't been completely destroyed
Its for seeding only and in setups like this some Koreans tend to play other strategies to not reveal their new ones. So I guess almost any outcome is possible, except maybe WhiteRa or Idra winning group D.
I really do not get this. The 8 invites and 8 online qualifiers will be put in 4 groups of 4, and out of them everyone will be seeded into the championship braket? So the pool play results do not matter at all? Or are the 24 Bo3s played just for placements in the champinship bracket? Seems reallly pointless to me.
I really do not get this. The 8 invites and 8 online qualifiers will be put in 4 groups of 4, and out of them everyone will be seeded into the championship braket? So the pool play results do not matter at all? Or are the 24 Bo3s played just for placements in the champinship bracket? Seems reallly pointless to me.
Can someone explain what the point of the group play is? Everyone will get through to the playoffs no matter how they do in their group, and I'm presuming that all the players from the groups will face players from the open bracket in their first round.
edit: looks like someone beat me to this question already
I really do not get this. The 8 invites and 8 online qualifiers will be put in 4 groups of 4, and out of them everyone will be seeded into the championship braket? So the pool play results do not matter at all? Or are the 24 Bo3s played just for placements in the champinship bracket? Seems reallly pointless to me.
Seeding is not pointless.
Well no matter do you get first or last in your group you will still face a random player from the open tournament anyway. Also loosing games on purpose could become viable for some players if they dont want to get placed near a player that got off from an already decided group.
I really do not get this. The 8 invites and 8 online qualifiers will be put in 4 groups of 4, and out of them everyone will be seeded into the championship braket? So the pool play results do not matter at all? Or are the 24 Bo3s played just for placements in the champinship bracket? Seems reallly pointless to me.
Seeding is not pointless.
In this case it is since you're only seeded in relation to the other players in your group and you won't be playing anyone from the other groups right away anyway. The seeding won't make more of a difference than the group draw, which is probably arbitrary.
If you win your group you probably get to play the winner of another group one round later instead. It's not a big difference considering the quality of players, and it seems weird to play so many Bo3s just for such little gain.
Gotta say IGN, the first person streams are fuckin' sexy! Been missing them since BW, and I never liked the replay first person view cause it doesn't have the cursor bouncing in and out everywhere.
Yeah! IPL3 is going to be so awesome!!! Really looking forward to it.
On September 22 2011 03:21 Kira__ wrote: Wizards of the Coast? How are they involved :o
My thoughts exactly. Maybe they try to pull some SC players that are frustrated with there low APM to play their strategy card game. Maybe something completely different, because i haven't followed what they are doing since i stopped playing Magic 5...6 years ago. Are they still owned by Hasbro?
EDIT> Awesome that the panels will be streamed as well. I'm actually really interested in those panels.
I really do not get this. The 8 invites and 8 online qualifiers will be put in 4 groups of 4, and out of them everyone will be seeded into the championship braket? So the pool play results do not matter at all? Or are the 24 Bo3s played just for placements in the champinship bracket? Seems reallly pointless to me.
If this is true, that's pretty retarded. Why not have double elim or something that makes sense instead?
Seeding is important since there will be many top foreign pros (such as Kiwikaki and Sheth) and top Korean pros in the open bracket, and you'd want to get matched up against lesser players. If you win your group, you won't have to play another group winner until quite far in the bracket. If you finish last in your group, you could play a group winner or open bracket winner in the first or second round.
If you were invited to come play in a 32-man single elimination event, would you be comfortable playing someone out of the open bracket for your tournament life? I feel that the group play will at least give them a sense that they came and showed some good games.
Consider the NASL live event where players flew around the world just to come lose a single best of 3 and be done for the weekend. At least with group play, these players will have a chance to play against some of the world's best players and know that they are totally in control of where they will end up in the championship bracket. Winning your group ensures that you will not face the other three "best group players" until far later in the championship bracket.
I think it's better for the players, not to mention the viewers who get to enjoy these insanely awesome matchups. =)
I really do not get this. The 8 invites and 8 online qualifiers will be put in 4 groups of 4, and out of them everyone will be seeded into the championship braket? So the pool play results do not matter at all? Or are the 24 Bo3s played just for placements in the champinship bracket? Seems reallly pointless to me.
Seeding is not pointless.
In this case it is since you're only seeded in relation to the other players in your group and you won't be playing anyone from the other groups right away anyway. The seeding won't make more of a difference than the group draw, which is probably arbitrary.
If you win your group you probably get to play the winner of another group one round later instead. It's not a big difference considering the quality of players, and it seems weird to play so many Bo3s just for such little gain.
Yeah, it's not as HYPED as the potential of being eliminated, but you can't say pointless. It helps players have a higher chance of advancing farther and a higher chance the finals will have the best two players in the tournament. Advancing farther for players = more money. It would be dumb if the two best players face off in the first round. Double elimination solves this too, but this is a single elimination tournament.
I really do not get this. The 8 invites and 8 online qualifiers will be put in 4 groups of 4, and out of them everyone will be seeded into the championship braket? So the pool play results do not matter at all? Or are the 24 Bo3s played just for placements in the champinship bracket? Seems reallly pointless to me.
Seeding is not pointless.
Well no matter do you get first or last in your group you will still face a random player from the open tournament anyway. Also loosing games on purpose could become viable for some players if they dont want to get placed near a player that got off from an already decided group.
The pic would hint that open bracket players are seeded at the other end of the bracket. An open player will likely not face any players from groups until the finals. The open bracket players are likely seeded based on their finish too.
If you follow any real life sports, you will know seeding means a lot and yes people do lose on purpose to get a different seed (but of course they will hide this fact and mostly just finger pointing by fans).
On September 22 2011 03:59 Ownos wrote: The pic would hint that open bracket players are seeded at the other end of the bracket. An open player will likely not face any invitees until the finals. The open bracket players are likely seeded based on their finish too.
If you follow any real life sports, you will know seeding means a lot and yes people do lose on purpose to get a different seed (but of course they will hide this fact and mostly just finger pointing by fans).
This is all correct. The open bracket winner (aka the STRONGEST open player) will be facing one of the four LOWEST group players. The group winners will be facing the 13, 14, 15, 16 seeds from the open bracket, which could easily be mid-tier players.
On September 22 2011 03:58 Joshy.IGN wrote: My personal opinion on the groups for seeding.
If you were invited to come play in a 32-man single elimination event, would you be comfortable playing someone out of the open bracket for your tournament life? I feel that the group play will at least give them a sense that they came and showed some good games.
Consider the NASL live event where players flew around the world just to come lose a single best of 3 and be done for the weekend. At least with group play, these players will have a chance to play against some of the world's best players and know that they are totally in control of where they will end up in the championship bracket. Winning your group ensures that you will not face the other three "best group players" until far later in the championship bracket.
I think it's better for the players, not to mention the viewers who get to enjoy these insanely awesome matchups. =)
Well its still feels very meh, that I am guranteed to have acses to watch the top 16 players play atleast 4 best of 3s each, out of them 3 are bacicly pointless. I really think that if you wanted to avoid the NASLs "I flied 20hours here to play total of 10minutes", you should have still made group play that actually matters.
Example: You could have invited 10 + 10 from qualifiers and made 4 groups of 5, out of which top 4 continue.
On September 22 2011 03:59 Ownos wrote: If you follow any real life sports, you will know seeding means a lot and yes people do lose on purpose to get a different seed (but of course they will hide this fact and mostly just finger pointing by fans).
I follow a lot of real sports and other competive stuff, and I have never seen this everyone out of every group advances into same round of final bracket.
This event looks amazing! I hope thee are no technical difficulties, because if all goes well I think this should end up being one of the best tournaments to date!
Have you guys thought about offering a package for just the subscriber streams for the event and the goody bag? A bit of something for people who cannot make it either do to religious reasons (You scheduled it on Yom Kipper) or cause of costs/distance?
I agree that the formatting is a little bit weird. I wish the players in groups had a little bit more to play for than a somewhat arbitrary seeding. It may produce good games, but (IMO) they'd be even better games if more was on the line!
Probably the best run and organized SC2 tournament to date - and by some stretch too. I only wish I had the spare change laying around to visit the U.S. around this time, I would definitely go.
Thumbs up to IGN and their IPL, all the crew involved and everyone playing. Since IPL I've been a fan of your production value, IPL 2 demonstrated that you could even draw the talent, and now with the massive amount of amazing games from the IPL 3 qualifiers, I'm positive this can't go wrong. So thank you, to Alex and all the other IGN crew members who visit this board, for putting all of this together.
I might even stay up late as all hell just to watch all of these games. VODs just don't give the same excitement, and man am I ever hyped for this.
Please excuse me as I pick up my jaw form the floor and clean up all the drool... This is going to be so crazy!!! Groups look soooo good and really hard to call.
On September 22 2011 03:59 Ownos wrote: The pic would hint that open bracket players are seeded at the other end of the bracket. An open player will likely not face any invitees until the finals. The open bracket players are likely seeded based on their finish too.
If you follow any real life sports, you will know seeding means a lot and yes people do lose on purpose to get a different seed (but of course they will hide this fact and mostly just finger pointing by fans).
This is all correct. The open bracket winner (aka the STRONGEST open player) will be facing one of the four LOWEST group players. The group winners will be facing the 13, 14, 15, 16 seeds from the open bracket, which could easily be mid-tier players.
But wait how will that work then afterwards? Using bracket knowledge I know that what you just said makes things 1000 times worse. You either have to make the open bracket winner potentially face a group play winner in the Ro16, OR you will have to place the group play 4th placers far away from the group play winners.
You either have to make open bracket winner get a much worse spot to reach Ro8 of championship bracket, than players that got spots 5-12 from open bracket. Or you have to give players who finish last in their group play better spot to reach Ro8 than players that got 2nd or 3rd from their group.
Incredible groups and incredible players. So happy I'm going to be there in person helping out! Very excited because there are no SlayerS teamkills in the groups!
On September 22 2011 03:58 Joshy.IGN wrote: My personal opinion on the groups for seeding.
If you were invited to come play in a 32-man single elimination event, would you be comfortable playing someone out of the open bracket for your tournament life? I feel that the group play will at least give them a sense that they came and showed some good games.
Consider the NASL live event where players flew around the world just to come lose a single best of 3 and be done for the weekend. At least with group play, these players will have a chance to play against some of the world's best players and know that they are totally in control of where they will end up in the championship bracket. Winning your group ensures that you will not face the other three "best group players" until far later in the championship bracket.
I think it's better for the players, not to mention the viewers who get to enjoy these insanely awesome matchups. =)
Well its still feels very meh, that I am guranteed to have acses to watch the top 16 players play atleast 4 best of 3s each, out of them 3 are bacicly pointless. I really think that if you wanted to avoid the NASLs "I flied 20hours here to play total of 10minutes", you should have still made group play that actually matters.
Example: You could have invited 10 + 10 from qualifiers and made 4 groups of 5, out of which top 4 continue.
On September 22 2011 03:59 Ownos wrote: If you follow any real life sports, you will know seeding means a lot and yes people do lose on purpose to get a different seed (but of course they will hide this fact and mostly just finger pointing by fans).
I follow a lot of real sports and other competive stuff, and I have never seen this everyone out of every group advances into same round of final bracket.
It doesn't really matter the # advancing. Group play to determine seeding is not uncommon. The regular season in the NBA determines seed, but not all advance of course to the playoffs. Like I said, because of the lack of elimination factor, it's not as exciting, but definitely not pointless.
The atmosphere is going to be absolutely insane there. This is shaping up to be the best Western event yet. Congratulations to all those working at IGN, and I am looking forward to October 6th.
On September 22 2011 04:21 BoomNasty wrote: Just curious, is there a specific reason that can be said as to why day9 wont be a commentator?
Cause... why does every event have to hire Day[9]? It's not like it's a travesty when he doesn't cast a tournament, I think we'll be more than entertained by the casters (who have been casting for IPL for quite a while now and deserve the chance not to be overshadowed by Day[9]'s presence).
Plus, MLG, IPL, and Blizzcon are within weekends of each other so there's that.
On September 22 2011 03:59 Ownos wrote: The pic would hint that open bracket players are seeded at the other end of the bracket. An open player will likely not face any invitees until the finals. The open bracket players are likely seeded based on their finish too.
If you follow any real life sports, you will know seeding means a lot and yes people do lose on purpose to get a different seed (but of course they will hide this fact and mostly just finger pointing by fans).
This is all correct. The open bracket winner (aka the STRONGEST open player) will be facing one of the four LOWEST group players. The group winners will be facing the 13, 14, 15, 16 seeds from the open bracket, which could easily be mid-tier players.
But wait how will that work then afterwards? Using bracket knowledge I know that what you just said makes things 1000 times worse. You either have to make the open bracket winner potentially face a group play winner in the Ro16, OR you will have to place the group play 4th placers far away from the group play winners.
You either have to make open bracket winner get a much worse spot to reach Ro8 of championship bracket, than players that got spots 5-12 from open bracket. Or you have to give players who finish last in their group play better spot to reach Ro8 than players that got 2nd or 3rd from their group.
Draw yourself a picture, because you seem to be missing it. They're doing it quite well, and despite all of your credentials in running tournaments and making them large successes, I'm positive they'll do well without your input.
On September 22 2011 04:21 BoomNasty wrote: Just curious, is there a specific reason that can be said as to why day9 wont be a commentator?
Cause... why does every event have to hire Day[9]? It's not like it's a travesty when he doesn't cast a tournament, I think we'll be more than entertained by the casters (who have been casting for IPL for quite a while now and deserve the chance not to be overshadowed by Day[9]'s presence).
Plus, MLG, IPL, and Blizzcon are within weekends of each other so there's that.
I think you are taking more out of what I said than you should. I never said I was happy/unhappy he wouldn't be there. I was just curious if they asked him or something of that nature.
edit: also i dont think any of those casters are very entertaining, but thats not the point here
On September 22 2011 04:21 BoomNasty wrote: Just curious, is there a specific reason that can be said as to why day9 wont be a commentator?
Cause... why does every event have to hire Day[9]? It's not like it's a travesty when he doesn't cast a tournament, I think we'll be more than entertained by the casters (who have been casting for IPL for quite a while now and deserve the chance not to be overshadowed by Day[9]'s presence).
Plus, MLG, IPL, and Blizzcon are within weekends of each other so there's that.
I think you are taking more out of what I said than you should. I never said I was happy/unhappy he wouldn't be there. I was just curious if they asked him or something of that nature.
Well to answer some of them... probably just cos they had PU, HD, CP from the start and they've done a really good job to be honest, bit lame to just get Day9/Tastosis in now who would inevitably steal the limelight.
Disclaimer: I am a big fan of all casters mentioned above .
On September 22 2011 04:21 BoomNasty wrote: Just curious, is there a specific reason that can be said as to why day9 wont be a commentator?
Cause... why does every event have to hire Day[9]? It's not like it's a travesty when he doesn't cast a tournament, I think we'll be more than entertained by the casters (who have been casting for IPL for quite a while now and deserve the chance not to be overshadowed by Day[9]'s presence).
Plus, MLG, IPL, and Blizzcon are within weekends of each other so there's that.
I think you are taking more out of what I said than you should. I never said I was happy/unhappy he wouldn't be there. I was just curious if they asked him or something of that nature.
Well to answer some of them... probably just cos they had PU, HD, CP from the start and they've done a really good job to be honest, bit lame to just get Day9/Tastosis in now who would inevitably steal the limelight.
Disclaimer: I am a big fan of all casters mentioned above .
well in contrast to you, i dont think any of them are very good. and im not really upset of the 3 who actually do the IPL stuff cuz that only makes sense, Im just curious why the others. Doa is the only person I like out of that list. add djwheat to a favorite for me, didnt see him there the first glance
Happy that there is another large tournament by due to constant rebroadcasts by the IPL. Showing up as "ON AIR" in the side bar despite not even being live, confusing you to which round it is and if it is even live, I've lost all respect and interest in the IPL.
On September 22 2011 04:21 BoomNasty wrote: Just curious, is there a specific reason that can be said as to why day9 wont be a commentator?
Cause... why does every event have to hire Day[9]? It's not like it's a travesty when he doesn't cast a tournament, I think we'll be more than entertained by the casters (who have been casting for IPL for quite a while now and deserve the chance not to be overshadowed by Day[9]'s presence).
Plus, MLG, IPL, and Blizzcon are within weekends of each other so there's that.
It's kind of like NASL where where Gretorp and Incontrol closed out the first season together by casting the finals, but people were whining for Day9. -_- That's totally inappropriate. Of course casters who've been with it from day 1 should cast the last game.
On September 22 2011 04:21 BoomNasty wrote: Just curious, is there a specific reason that can be said as to why day9 wont be a commentator?
Cause... why does every event have to hire Day[9]? It's not like it's a travesty when he doesn't cast a tournament, I think we'll be more than entertained by the casters (who have been casting for IPL for quite a while now and deserve the chance not to be overshadowed by Day[9]'s presence).
Plus, MLG, IPL, and Blizzcon are within weekends of each other so there's that.
I think you are taking more out of what I said than you should. I never said I was happy/unhappy he wouldn't be there. I was just curious if they asked him or something of that nature.
Well to answer some of them... probably just cos they had PU, HD, CP from the start and they've done a really good job to be honest, bit lame to just get Day9/Tastosis in now who would inevitably steal the limelight.
Disclaimer: I am a big fan of all casters mentioned above .
well in contrast to you, i dont think any of them are very good. and im not really upset of the 3 who actually do the IPL stuff cuz that only makes sense, Im just curious why the others. Doa is the only person I like out of that list
I have a "feeling" TB and dApollo cast a load of games in IPL 1 and 2, the online events, don't quote me on that, so they're probably better linked as well. I would say the general consensus is they're a pretty good duo too.
On September 22 2011 04:21 BoomNasty wrote: Just curious, is there a specific reason that can be said as to why day9 wont be a commentator?
Cause... why does every event have to hire Day[9]? It's not like it's a travesty when he doesn't cast a tournament, I think we'll be more than entertained by the casters (who have been casting for IPL for quite a while now and deserve the chance not to be overshadowed by Day[9]'s presence).
Plus, MLG, IPL, and Blizzcon are within weekends of each other so there's that.
It's kind of like NASL where where Gretorp and Incontrol closed out the first season together by casting the finals, but people were whining for Day9. -_- That's totally inappropriate. Of course casters who've been with it from day 1 should cast the last game.
Plus Day9 is a very busy guy.
Yeah man, NASL Season One they got so much shit thrown at them by the community, that they deserved to cast those awesome finals for all the pain they had to go through.
On September 22 2011 04:21 BoomNasty wrote: Just curious, is there a specific reason that can be said as to why day9 wont be a commentator?
Cause... why does every event have to hire Day[9]? It's not like it's a travesty when he doesn't cast a tournament, I think we'll be more than entertained by the casters (who have been casting for IPL for quite a while now and deserve the chance not to be overshadowed by Day[9]'s presence).
Plus, MLG, IPL, and Blizzcon are within weekends of each other so there's that.
I think you are taking more out of what I said than you should. I never said I was happy/unhappy he wouldn't be there. I was just curious if they asked him or something of that nature.
Well to answer some of them... probably just cos they had PU, HD, CP from the start and they've done a really good job to be honest, bit lame to just get Day9/Tastosis in now who would inevitably steal the limelight.
Disclaimer: I am a big fan of all casters mentioned above .
well in contrast to you, i dont think any of them are very good. and im not really upset of the 3 who actually do the IPL stuff cuz that only makes sense, Im just curious why the others. Doa is the only person I like out of that list
I have a "feeling" TB and dApollo cast a load of games in IPL 1 and 2, the online events, don't quote me on that, so they're probably better linked as well. I would say the general consensus is they're a pretty good duo too.
i just feel like a vast majority of these casters lack the emotion for the game that other casters have. it just wont have the same feel for me.
These are really good groups, the only player who may not be that competitive is White-Ra, but he's such a fan favorite that I really can't have a problem with it. Maybe he'll surprise me though. Boxer could either win his group or come in last, such a hard group to call. But I haven't seen TSL_Alive play too often.
On September 22 2011 04:18 Benjef wrote: Wait so how dAppolo get a Visa but not Tbiscuit O.O?
So stoked for this event sick players gonna be there. Hope you get a big crowd show up too!
Tzain and Pokerface terran wwwhhhaaiiting! (Ryung)
I hope he gets the visa. Total Apollo is the best casting duo ever.
how can you say that when you are from the US when we have tastosis and daywheat?
It's always a big plus for me when Day9 and Tastosis are casting, but I think total biscuit and d.Apollo did a really great job at DH Valencia. You should check out those vods (they're free and HQ), especially the finals.
On September 22 2011 04:18 Benjef wrote: Wait so how dAppolo get a Visa but not Tbiscuit O.O?
So stoked for this event sick players gonna be there. Hope you get a big crowd show up too!
Tzain and Pokerface terran wwwhhhaaiiting! (Ryung)
I hope he gets the visa. Total Apollo is the best casting duo ever.
how can you say that when you are from the US when we have tastosis and daywheat?
It's always a big plus for me when Day9 and Tastosis are casting, but I think total biscuit and d.Apollo did a really great job at DH Valencia. You should check out those vods (they're free and HQ), especially the finals.
i dont like the way total biscuit casts games. i feel like people love him because of his voice, i dont. apollo is fine, he did great with day9 at DH summer. im just not a fan of biscuit at all.
Please, for the love of god, don't include maps like Dual Sight. So many tournaments nowadays do when it is complete garbage, makes for really bad games. But this looks absolutely sick.
Perfect dicision with the streams, instead of removing something from the free version you add something to the Premium. IPL3 ist currently the tournament i am looking forward the most. Hopefully the Open Tournament will be as good as the already qualified players and invites.
On September 22 2011 03:58 Joshy.IGN wrote: My personal opinion on the groups for seeding.
If you were invited to come play in a 32-man single elimination event, would you be comfortable playing someone out of the open bracket for your tournament life? I feel that the group play will at least give them a sense that they came and showed some good games.
Consider the NASL live event where players flew around the world just to come lose a single best of 3 and be done for the weekend. At least with group play, these players will have a chance to play against some of the world's best players and know that they are totally in control of where they will end up in the championship bracket. Winning your group ensures that you will not face the other three "best group players" until far later in the championship bracket.
I think it's better for the players, not to mention the viewers who get to enjoy these insanely awesome matchups. =)
This is a very good point. Sounds like the tournament is going to produce a lot of very good games. Can't wait
On September 22 2011 04:36 Vul wrote: These are really good groups, the only player who may not be that competitive is White-Ra, but he's such a fan favorite that I really can't have a problem with it. Maybe he'll surprise me though. Boxer could either win his group or come in last, such a hard group to call. But I haven't seen TSL_Alive play too often.
I do think MLG has the best casters though
What do you base that statement on? Because White-ra did win IGN season 2 not that long ago and always qualify out of groups in pretty much all tournaments
If there is anyone that isn't competitive then its Idra
Yeah i m not a fan of total biscuit neither, doesn't like his accent and his casting, the guy is shouting all the time and getting impressed for nothing. I like d.apollo though
Oh and LOL to the guy who said group 4 is the group of death, nice joke bro
I think, right now ign/ipl is out doing nasl, seeing all these nice arrangement for a first live event. That said, I believe there is market for both leagues, ipl vs nasl fight!!!
Who is Doa going to be casting with? Him and wolf are like my favourite caster combo ever :D aah this event just gets better and better.
Ryung has such a good group, easily first place :D MC has dropped off, and Ryungs TvT is ungodly. Hope STC does well too, haven't seen him around much recently.
On September 22 2011 04:50 Fermats_last wrote: Who is Doa going to be casting with? Him and wolf are like my favourite caster combo ever :D aah this event just gets better and better.
Ryung has such a good group, easily first place :D MC has dropped off, and Ryungs TvT is ungodly. Hope STC does well too, haven't seen him around much recently.
Nah MC will beat ryung he's like 4-0 against him and his teamleague win was pretty recent too. Ryung not that great vP.
I'm trying to find more info about the open bracket
The main event will be a 32 player Single Elimination championship tournament. The 32 spots for the main tournament will be determined as follows:
8 spots from 4 Global Online Qualifiers through Playhem. 16 spots decided by a 256 person Double Elimination Qualifiers on the venue. 8 spots reserved for invited players. Four groups of 4 (each group consisting of 2 invitees and 2 from online qualifiers) will battle it out. This will determine the seeds into the Championship Bracket.
This is what I get from Liquipedia. Playing out groups just for seeding seems a bit over the top. Am I missing something here?
On September 22 2011 03:59 Ownos wrote: The pic would hint that open bracket players are seeded at the other end of the bracket. An open player will likely not face any invitees until the finals. The open bracket players are likely seeded based on their finish too.
If you follow any real life sports, you will know seeding means a lot and yes people do lose on purpose to get a different seed (but of course they will hide this fact and mostly just finger pointing by fans).
This is all correct. The open bracket winner (aka the STRONGEST open player) will be facing one of the four LOWEST group players. The group winners will be facing the 13, 14, 15, 16 seeds from the open bracket, which could easily be mid-tier players.
But wait how will that work then afterwards? Using bracket knowledge I know that what you just said makes things 1000 times worse. You either have to make the open bracket winner potentially face a group play winner in the Ro16, OR you will have to place the group play 4th placers far away from the group play winners.
You either have to make open bracket winner get a much worse spot to reach Ro8 of championship bracket, than players that got spots 5-12 from open bracket. Or you have to give players who finish last in their group play better spot to reach Ro8 than players that got 2nd or 3rd from their group.
Draw yourself a picture, because you seem to be missing it. They're doing it quite well, and despite all of your credentials in running tournaments and making them large successes, I'm positive they'll do well without your input.
Man, first I was just explaining how I think that a part of the format was silly. But with current infromation we know that the format is just stupid and will favor players that got lower seed from where ever they qualified, than players who got higher seed from the same place. Now I have never ran a turnament or even made a backet but I know, and so should peolple who run a 100k turment know that you cannot mix 2seeds of players from the beginning and make a brcket that doesnt screw some players hard. Whats even more retarded that IGN could have easily avoided this issue by for example, not giving seeds to players from open bracket.
On September 22 2011 04:50 Fermats_last wrote: Who is Doa going to be casting with? Him and wolf are like my favourite caster combo ever :D aah this event just gets better and better.
Ryung has such a good group, easily first place :D MC has dropped off, and Ryungs TvT is ungodly. Hope STC does well too, haven't seen him around much recently.
Nah MC will beat ryung he's like 4-0 against him and his teamleague win was pretty recent too. Ryung not that great vP.
Which GSTL week was that? Gonna go and watch it now haha. I was just basing it off MC's recent lack of form and Ryungs win vs Puzzle last Code S season
The premium stuff looks freaking awesome, will definitely be purchasing for this event to see the first person and roaming cameras to get the full experience of their first live event. Looks absolutely sick, needs more hype.
now THIS is a tournament, one that has players who deserve to be in pool play, unlike incontrol, dont know what he's still doing around in nasl and mlg.
On September 22 2011 03:59 Ownos wrote: The pic would hint that open bracket players are seeded at the other end of the bracket. An open player will likely not face any invitees until the finals. The open bracket players are likely seeded based on their finish too.
If you follow any real life sports, you will know seeding means a lot and yes people do lose on purpose to get a different seed (but of course they will hide this fact and mostly just finger pointing by fans).
This is all correct. The open bracket winner (aka the STRONGEST open player) will be facing one of the four LOWEST group players. The group winners will be facing the 13, 14, 15, 16 seeds from the open bracket, which could easily be mid-tier players.
But wait how will that work then afterwards? Using bracket knowledge I know that what you just said makes things 1000 times worse. You either have to make the open bracket winner potentially face a group play winner in the Ro16, OR you will have to place the group play 4th placers far away from the group play winners.
You either have to make open bracket winner get a much worse spot to reach Ro8 of championship bracket, than players that got spots 5-12 from open bracket. Or you have to give players who finish last in their group play better spot to reach Ro8 than players that got 2nd or 3rd from their group.
Draw yourself a picture, because you seem to be missing it. They're doing it quite well, and despite all of your credentials in running tournaments and making them large successes, I'm positive they'll do well without your input.
Man, first I was just explaining how I think that a part of the format was silly. But with current infromation we know that the format is just stupid and will favor players that got lower seed from where ever they qualified, than players who got higher seed from the same place. Now I have never ran a turnament or even made a backet but I know, and so should peolple who run a 100k turment know that you cannot mix 2seeds of players from the beginning and make a brcket that doesnt screw some players hard. Whats even more retarded that IGN could have easily avoided this issue by for example, not giving seeds to players from open bracket.
I can't even being to explain the seeding algorithm we used to even it out, but players with higher seeds from Open Bracket and higher seeds from the Group Play have significantly easier brackets than do the lower seeds (as it should be).
On September 22 2011 04:50 Fermats_last wrote: Who is Doa going to be casting with? Him and wolf are like my favourite caster combo ever :D aah this event just gets better and better.
Ryung has such a good group, easily first place :D MC has dropped off, and Ryungs TvT is ungodly. Hope STC does well too, haven't seen him around much recently.
Nah MC will beat ryung he's like 4-0 against him and his teamleague win was pretty recent too. Ryung not that great vP.
Which GSTL week was that? Gonna go and watch it now haha. I was just basing it off MC's recent lack of form and Ryungs win vs Puzzle last Code S season
The main event will be a 32 player Single Elimination championship tournament. The 32 spots for the main tournament will be determined as follows:
8 spots from 4 Global Online Qualifiers through Playhem. 16 spots decided by a 256 person Double Elimination Qualifiers on the venue. 8 spots reserved for invited players. Four groups of 4 (each group consisting of 2 invitees and 2 from online qualifiers) will battle it out. This will determine the seeds into the Championship Bracket.
This is what I get from Liquipedia. Playing out groups just for seeding seems a bit over the top. Am I missing something here?
Maybe they want to use a system similar to MLG's and the "seeding" is actually very important?
Wow....... after reading this all put down together this looks like a fantastic event. I mayhave to go out to Atlantic City and attend my first esports event.
lol Visine sponsoring the event? wouldn't necessarily have expected that one.
On the other hand, I feel like we could really benefit from having Degree or Old Spice sponsor some events! They could have a little booth where they hand out mini sticks of deodorant to everyone - I've never been to a live SC2 event but I hear the collective stench of so many nerds can be pretty overwhelming!
Regarding the event, the brackets look sick! I can't wait for the tournament. So sad I wasn't able to get off work to actually attend.
The main event will be a 32 player Single Elimination championship tournament. The 32 spots for the main tournament will be determined as follows:
8 spots from 4 Global Online Qualifiers through Playhem. 16 spots decided by a 256 person Double Elimination Qualifiers on the venue. 8 spots reserved for invited players. Four groups of 4 (each group consisting of 2 invitees and 2 from online qualifiers) will battle it out. This will determine the seeds into the Championship Bracket.
This is what I get from Liquipedia. Playing out groups just for seeding seems a bit over the top. Am I missing something here?
By over the top what do you mean? It's only 3 games. The open bracket top finishers play the group players with the worst record. I'd be happy to discuss this further with you at your convenience.
The main event will be a 32 player Single Elimination championship tournament. The 32 spots for the main tournament will be determined as follows:
8 spots from 4 Global Online Qualifiers through Playhem. 16 spots decided by a 256 person Double Elimination Qualifiers on the venue. 8 spots reserved for invited players. Four groups of 4 (each group consisting of 2 invitees and 2 from online qualifiers) will battle it out. This will determine the seeds into the Championship Bracket.
This is what I get from Liquipedia. Playing out groups just for seeding seems a bit over the top. Am I missing something here?
What's the concern? Fatigue won't be an issue because it's only three Bo3 over the course of a day.
The final bracket is single elimination, so players will want to get the best possible seed (which should eliminate throwing games).
Any information about the players participating in the open bracket? Should be a good opportunity to get into the tournament since there are 16 available slots and it's double elimination. I'd love to see someone like MorroW or MaNa there but I doubt it .
On September 22 2011 04:54 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I'm trying to find more info about the open bracket
The main event will be a 32 player Single Elimination championship tournament. The 32 spots for the main tournament will be determined as follows:
8 spots from 4 Global Online Qualifiers through Playhem. 16 spots decided by a 256 person Double Elimination Qualifiers on the venue. 8 spots reserved for invited players. Four groups of 4 (each group consisting of 2 invitees and 2 from online qualifiers) will battle it out. This will determine the seeds into the Championship Bracket.
This is what I get from Liquipedia. Playing out groups just for seeding seems a bit over the top. Am I missing something here?
What's the concern? Fatigue won't be an issue because it's only three Bo3 over the course of a day.
The final bracket is single elimination, so players will want to get the best possible seed (which should eliminate throwing games).
Sounds fine to me.
If the players don't believe they have enough to play for, they have very little incentive to try their absolute best in the group stages. It may be beneficial for them to hold back BOs/styles for later, more important matches.
Not sure if it will actually play out this way, but I am interested to see what ends up happening.
On September 22 2011 04:54 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I'm trying to find more info about the open bracket
The main event will be a 32 player Single Elimination championship tournament. The 32 spots for the main tournament will be determined as follows:
8 spots from 4 Global Online Qualifiers through Playhem. 16 spots decided by a 256 person Double Elimination Qualifiers on the venue. 8 spots reserved for invited players. Four groups of 4 (each group consisting of 2 invitees and 2 from online qualifiers) will battle it out. This will determine the seeds into the Championship Bracket.
This is what I get from Liquipedia. Playing out groups just for seeding seems a bit over the top. Am I missing something here?
What's the concern? Fatigue won't be an issue because it's only three Bo3 over the course of a day.
The final bracket is single elimination, so players will want to get the best possible seed (which should eliminate throwing games).
Sounds fine to me.
If the players don't believe they have enough to play for, they have very little incentive to try their absolute best in the group stages. It may be beneficial for them to hold back BOs/styles for later, more important matches.
Not sure if it will actually play out this way, but I am interested to see what ends up happening.
I assume you mean "seeding" as in MLG style, as in Bottom plays OB winner plays a 3rd plays a 2nd plays a 1st place finisher? I suppose it could be interpreted as a tennis type seeding system too though, which would mean it was a little arbitrary and could cause people to want to lose etc. bit confused on the use of the word myself. The word seems to be used kinda interchangeably around SC2.
On September 22 2011 04:54 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I'm trying to find more info about the open bracket
The main event will be a 32 player Single Elimination championship tournament. The 32 spots for the main tournament will be determined as follows:
8 spots from 4 Global Online Qualifiers through Playhem. 16 spots decided by a 256 person Double Elimination Qualifiers on the venue. 8 spots reserved for invited players. Four groups of 4 (each group consisting of 2 invitees and 2 from online qualifiers) will battle it out. This will determine the seeds into the Championship Bracket.
This is what I get from Liquipedia. Playing out groups just for seeding seems a bit over the top. Am I missing something here?
What's the concern? Fatigue won't be an issue because it's only three Bo3 over the course of a day.
The final bracket is single elimination, so players will want to get the best possible seed (which should eliminate throwing games).
Sounds fine to me.
If the players don't believe they have enough to play for, they have very little incentive to try their absolute best in the group stages. It may be beneficial for them to hold back BOs/styles for later, more important matches.
Not sure if it will actually play out this way, but I am interested to see what ends up happening.
Well, that's part of a tournament dynamic. If a player is confident enough to beat anyone and everyone anyway, he might not care about his group results. Then again, that holds true for any non-elimination group play.
I suppose you could have the last-placed player eliminated from the groups to increase the stakes - but that would raise other issues (such as having Open Bracket players go farther in the final bracket than invitees/qualified after only having to beat (supposedly) weaker players).
To provide some historical reference: of course always playing your best is an unspoken rule of competition, but I as a German can never honestly argue against strategical moves like this since withholding our true strength in the group stage to beat Hungary in the finals is what won us the Football World Cup '54. :lol :lol
hope you guys wont die like CGS because the venue looks expensive. Hoping you won't because the tournament is looking awesome. And only two eu players qualified from the qualifiers.
On September 22 2011 05:41 DiaBoLuS wrote: Group 1 1 - Stephano
Group 2 1 - Ryung
Group 3 2 - ThorZaiN
Group 4 1 - MMA 4 - IdrA
That's the part of your predictions I agree with.
Everything else is wrong. :p
On September 22 2011 05:46 Fabozi wrote: hope you guys wont die like CGS because the venue looks expensive. Hoping you won't because the tournament is looking awesome. And only two eu players qualified from the qualifiers.
6 Koreans, 2 EU players, 0 NA players, 0 SEA players.
Holy shit, sounds great! I just got instantly pumped for this. Looks like MLG has some competition now, since this seems to be the same kind of venue and format. I definitely like these live events more than online tournaments.
Also disappointed about no day9 casting. I know people say he's a busy guy which is true, but besides the daily, casting big tournaments like this is what he does for a living, so I don't see what would be more important for him to do during IPL 3.
This will be MC's rebirth when he wins this tournament, before reclaiming his code s spot at MLG the following week!
On September 22 2011 05:46 Fabozi wrote: hope you guys wont die like CGS because the venue looks expensive. Hoping you won't because the tournament is looking awesome. And only two eu players qualified from the qualifiers.
6 Koreans, 2 EU players, 0 NA players, 0 SEA players.
Goddamnit, Korea!
Why do people think Ryung will beat MC? 4-0 overall record for MC and he beat him in a recent meeting too. Ryung is just mediocre in vP, and if MC can't beat him even sadder for protoss. MC also 3-0ed select and beat taeja who are better TvP players.
On September 22 2011 05:46 Fabozi wrote: hope you guys wont die like CGS because the venue looks expensive. Hoping you won't because the tournament is looking awesome. And only two eu players qualified from the qualifiers.
Harrahs is our partner and sponsor in this! Also we actually have someone on the team who worked for CGS and we are going to be sure not to repeat their mistakes as much as we can avoid it!
Awesome! I'm gonna give SlayerSRyung the title of the favourite for the tournament. He looks proper beastly right now in all 3 matchups. Oh and I hope TB gets that ridiculous visa issue sorted out!
I feel 16 players advance from the onsite venue is a bit overkill, im not saying the local talent is bad, but I think pokebunny is the only one who lives in tristate who is a GM here, or u can call it metro new york area. I feel there should be more invites than just 8.
This is just my option. I know a lot NA master players near here. But we all know how they will stack against the kr masters
On September 22 2011 04:54 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I'm trying to find more info about the open bracket
The main event will be a 32 player Single Elimination championship tournament. The 32 spots for the main tournament will be determined as follows:
8 spots from 4 Global Online Qualifiers through Playhem. 16 spots decided by a 256 person Double Elimination Qualifiers on the venue. 8 spots reserved for invited players. Four groups of 4 (each group consisting of 2 invitees and 2 from online qualifiers) will battle it out. This will determine the seeds into the Championship Bracket.
This is what I get from Liquipedia. Playing out groups just for seeding seems a bit over the top. Am I missing something here?
What's the concern? Fatigue won't be an issue because it's only three Bo3 over the course of a day.
The final bracket is single elimination, so players will want to get the best possible seed (which should eliminate throwing games).
Sounds fine to me.
If the players don't believe they have enough to play for, they have very little incentive to try their absolute best in the group stages. It may be beneficial for them to hold back BOs/styles for later, more important matches.
Not sure if it will actually play out this way, but I am interested to see what ends up happening.
Well, that's part of a tournament dynamic. If a player is confident enough to beat anyone and everyone anyway, he might not care about his group results. Then again, that holds true for any non-elimination group play.
I suppose you could have the last-placed player eliminated from the groups to increase the stakes - but that would raise other issues (such as having Open Bracket players go farther in the final bracket than invitees/qualified after only having to beat (supposedly) weaker players).
To provide some historical reference: of course always playing your best is an unspoken rule of competition, but I as a German can never honestly argue against strategical moves like this since withholding our true strength in the group stage to beat Hungary in the finals is what won us the Football World Cup '54. :lol :lol
I would prefer that there is some form of elimination/other incentive. MLG's system as flawed as it is, does create plenty of incentives in the group stage to do well. I'm not sure what my suggested viable alternative would be, but within the current system, I can forsee plenty of situations (more so than most tournament formats) where it's beneficial for players to not play their best in the group stages.
I think people are underestimating Boxer. Although he is in code B right now, he is still very very good. His TvT and TvZ is good enough to take out alive and Stephano. I could see him having problems with HuK but it's a coin flip.
On September 22 2011 06:02 bucckevin wrote: I think people are underestimating Boxer. Although he is in code B right now, he is still very very good. His TvT and TvZ is good enough to take out alive and Stephano. I could see him having problems with HuK but it's a coin flip.
actually zvt is stephano's best matchup, i think boxer will loose
So awesome, I can't wait to watch this tournament! It removes my only previous issue with the IPL, which was the lack of excitement since the videos were released a while after the games were played, lowering the excitement for me at least
On September 22 2011 06:00 duckTemplar wrote: I feel 16 players advance from the onsite venue is a bit overkill, im not saying the local talent is bad, but I think pokebunny is the only one who lives in tristate who is a GM here, or u can call it metro new york area. I feel there should be more invites than just 8.
This is just my option. I know a lot NA master players near here. But we all know how they will stack against the kr masters
Not to get on the bandwagon of hating NA grandmasters, but I don't even they could take a few games off these 16
Player Vision - Main Stage - This stream will be a split screen feed showing the first-person view of each player in the current main stage game. You could turn on the free stream with our commentators and watch each player demonstrating their professional APM and never miss a thing!
i love you so much for that...and all the other stuff of course! you guys are amazing ! i hope after this event the daily viewers of the ipls will increase rapidly...because the ipl team gives nerdgasms nearly everyday ! keep it up!
WhiteRa versus MMA is one matchup I have never ever really considered happening. More exciting is if WhiteRa and Boxer face off in the championship bracket.
The main event will be a 32 player Single Elimination championship tournament. The 32 spots for the main tournament will be determined as follows:
8 spots from 4 Global Online Qualifiers through Playhem. 16 spots decided by a 256 person Double Elimination Qualifiers on the venue. 8 spots reserved for invited players. Four groups of 4 (each group consisting of 2 invitees and 2 from online qualifiers) will battle it out. This will determine the seeds into the Championship Bracket.
This is what I get from Liquipedia. Playing out groups just for seeding seems a bit over the top. Am I missing something here?
Over the top, maybe but... I think they have the tournament format this way so that the spectators get to see games many games from the pros over the course of the whole tournament, and not just when they happen by coincidence. It also removes the randomness of things like... Remember in MLG anaheim where slayers_alicia got knocked out of the open bracket fairly early? I'm sure a lot of spectators were disappointed with that, because they probably didn't get to see too much play from him. However, for a tournament organizer they can put him into the pool play to avoid something like that.
On September 22 2011 06:00 duckTemplar wrote: I feel 16 players advance from the onsite venue is a bit overkill, im not saying the local talent is bad, but I think pokebunny is the only one who lives in tristate who is a GM here, or u can call it metro new york area. I feel there should be more invites than just 8.
This is just my option. I know a lot NA master players near here. But we all know how they will stack against the kr masters
On September 22 2011 06:00 duckTemplar wrote: I feel 16 players advance from the onsite venue is a bit overkill, im not saying the local talent is bad, but I think pokebunny is the only one who lives in tristate who is a GM here, or u can call it metro new york area. I feel there should be more invites than just 8.
This is just my option. I know a lot NA master players near here. But we all know how they will stack against the kr masters
Why do you expect no other pro is gonna go there (sponsored by the team)? Pros go to MLGs for a 15k price pool. This one has 100k. They could also stay in the US for IEM or MLG.
Laughing at people who think ryung is not gonna win this tournament. Whos gonna stop him when hes close to the top of his game. Maybe stephano, hes been impressing me lately. Other than that the only thing stopping this kid would be his nerves.
On September 22 2011 06:31 Goshdarnit wrote: Laughing at people who think ryung is not gonna win this tournament. Whos gonna stop him when hes close to the top of his game. Maybe stephano, hes been impressing me lately. Other than that the only thing stopping this kid would be his nerves.
Maybe the protoss who beat him a couple weeks in ago in teamleague and is 4-0 alltime vs him? Just a theory though.
On September 22 2011 06:36 Lunas wrote: Gom TV could award a code S sport or code A spot for the winner. Beucase then im sure it will motivate MC and others even more:D
Better just keep it with MLG. Motivates him even more, since then there is lesser chances to get that spot.
What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
On September 22 2011 06:36 Lunas wrote: Gom TV could award a code S sport or code A spot for the winner. Beucase then im sure it will motivate MC and others even more:D
No reward could add incentive to the 30.000 dollars for the winner.
Because if you're not motivated enough to give everything you got for that amount of money, you don't deserve to win in the first place. :p
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ratio on the EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
On September 22 2011 05:41 DiaBoLuS wrote: Group 1 1 - Stephano
Group 2 1 - Ryung
Group 3 2 - ThorZaiN
Group 4 1 - MMA 4 - IdrA
That's the part of your predictions I agree with.
Everything else is wrong. :p
On September 22 2011 05:46 Fabozi wrote: hope you guys wont die like CGS because the venue looks expensive. Hoping you won't because the tournament is looking awesome. And only two eu players qualified from the qualifiers.
6 Koreans, 2 EU players, 0 NA players, 0 SEA players.
Goddamnit, Korea!
Why do people think Ryung will beat MC? 4-0 overall record for MC and he beat him in a recent meeting too. Ryung is just mediocre in vP, and if MC can't beat him even sadder for protoss. MC also 3-0ed select and beat taeja who are better TvP players.
All Korean Terran's are great vs Protoss right now.
On September 22 2011 05:41 DiaBoLuS wrote: Group 1 1 - Stephano
Group 2 1 - Ryung
Group 3 2 - ThorZaiN
Group 4 1 - MMA 4 - IdrA
That's the part of your predictions I agree with.
Everything else is wrong. :p
On September 22 2011 05:46 Fabozi wrote: hope you guys wont die like CGS because the venue looks expensive. Hoping you won't because the tournament is looking awesome. And only two eu players qualified from the qualifiers.
6 Koreans, 2 EU players, 0 NA players, 0 SEA players.
Goddamnit, Korea!
Why do people think Ryung will beat MC? 4-0 overall record for MC and he beat him in a recent meeting too. Ryung is just mediocre in vP, and if MC can't beat him even sadder for protoss. MC also 3-0ed select and beat taeja who are better TvP players.
All Korean Terran's are great vs Protoss right now.
Yeah but they were 3 weeks ago when ryung lost to him too. Anyway with decent maps MC should win that series.
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
On September 22 2011 05:41 DiaBoLuS wrote: Group 1 1 - Stephano
Group 2 1 - Ryung
Group 3 2 - ThorZaiN
Group 4 1 - MMA 4 - IdrA
That's the part of your predictions I agree with.
Everything else is wrong. :p
On September 22 2011 05:46 Fabozi wrote: hope you guys wont die like CGS because the venue looks expensive. Hoping you won't because the tournament is looking awesome. And only two eu players qualified from the qualifiers.
6 Koreans, 2 EU players, 0 NA players, 0 SEA players.
Goddamnit, Korea!
Why do people think Ryung will beat MC? 4-0 overall record for MC and he beat him in a recent meeting too. Ryung is just mediocre in vP, and if MC can't beat him even sadder for protoss. MC also 3-0ed select and beat taeja who are better TvP players.
All Korean Terran's are great vs Protoss right now.
Unless MC confidence has been completely shattered I wont be suprice if he win the hole thing
On September 22 2011 05:41 DiaBoLuS wrote: Group 1 1 - Stephano
Group 2 1 - Ryung
Group 3 2 - ThorZaiN
Group 4 1 - MMA 4 - IdrA
That's the part of your predictions I agree with.
Everything else is wrong. :p
On September 22 2011 05:46 Fabozi wrote: hope you guys wont die like CGS because the venue looks expensive. Hoping you won't because the tournament is looking awesome. And only two eu players qualified from the qualifiers.
6 Koreans, 2 EU players, 0 NA players, 0 SEA players.
Goddamnit, Korea!
Why do people think Ryung will beat MC? 4-0 overall record for MC and he beat him in a recent meeting too. Ryung is just mediocre in vP, and if MC can't beat him even sadder for protoss. MC also 3-0ed select and beat taeja who are better TvP players.
All Korean Terran's are great vs Protoss right now.
Yeah but they were 3 weeks ago when ryung lost to him too. Anyway with decent maps MC should win that series.
Was that the team league game where Ryung did some all in?
I agree that in a balanced match up MC takes him, but betting on any Protoss to beat a Code S Terran (and a really good Terran at that) is a bad bet imo.
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
That's because the people earnestly predicting also take his level of play into account not only the results.
If we only go by past results, no one would ever predict an outsider/dark horse to win anything. But people do, and they do win. As a part-time player, Stephano is one of the best Zergs in the world - now he's going full-time and we're all expecting big things.
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
On September 22 2011 05:41 DiaBoLuS wrote: Group 1 1 - Stephano
Group 2 1 - Ryung
Group 3 2 - ThorZaiN
Group 4 1 - MMA 4 - IdrA
That's the part of your predictions I agree with.
Everything else is wrong. :p
On September 22 2011 05:46 Fabozi wrote: hope you guys wont die like CGS because the venue looks expensive. Hoping you won't because the tournament is looking awesome. And only two eu players qualified from the qualifiers.
6 Koreans, 2 EU players, 0 NA players, 0 SEA players.
Goddamnit, Korea!
Why do people think Ryung will beat MC? 4-0 overall record for MC and he beat him in a recent meeting too. Ryung is just mediocre in vP, and if MC can't beat him even sadder for protoss. MC also 3-0ed select and beat taeja who are better TvP players.
All Korean Terran's are great vs Protoss right now.
Yeah but they were 3 weeks ago when ryung lost to him too. Anyway with decent maps MC should win that series.
Was that the team league game where Ryung did some all in?
I agree that in a balanced match up MC takes him, but betting on any Protoss to beat a Code S Terran (and a really good Terran at that) is a bad bet imo.
It was a macro game :D. Anyway MC still beats really good terrans(ryung taeja 3-0 select) so I don't know why people write him off in this group, his vZ failed him in GSL though.
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
Blasphemi, do you have to hate on stephano/nerchio and other eu players in every thread. Take a break dude. Here is an idea, when people make these predictions they don't only pick people that already won something several months ago, they look at their current form :OO shocker
Wow check out those sponsors, that is some serious big name sponsors. They even have harrah's as a sponsor!!!! I will seriously support these sponsors as much as i possibly can, this is awesome.
sick, sick games... boxer v stephano? boxer v huk? ryung v strelok? MMA v WhiteRa? this could definitely be the best tourney in quite a long time, hope it is double elimination.
I wish i hadn't spent most of my money going to two MLG's this summer so I could attend this. Not that I didn't like MLG, but this tournament just looks so sick!
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
results aint all. huk and ret are on a top level for a much longer time and played like 5 times more tournaments offline. its natural that stephano cannot have the achievements yet. but... watch this kid play! thats all i can say
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
You should definitly check his stream, this guy is completly insane, he's 1 EU GM and at the moment he s losing like 1 game for 20 wins, playing funny strats that his streamers are asking him to do.
I m not a zerg fan but putting aside all the drama etc he's really talented. If you are still not conviced check his qualifier matches, beating mma, puzzle, revival, socke isn't something everyone can pull off
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
No, this was actually the purpose of the EU Inv: To gather the strongest players of the continent. They had with Ret, Nani and Tzain the strongest player of each race, plus the two leading players in EU in terms of won price money (White-Ra + Socke). Any of these five players would have had a decent shot of winning Assembly, not only based on their skill, but also because there are the most accomplished players in EU.
On September 22 2011 06:28 00Visor wrote:
Why do you expect no other pro is gonna go there (sponsored by the team)? Pros go to MLGs for a 15k price pool. This one has 100k. They could also stay in the US for IEM or MLG.
Exactly. It is for example pretty certain, that Socke will attend the open event, because he cancelled his participation in the german qualifier for the ISEF, which is the same weekend as IPL III.
Unlucky for HerO, worst possible group for him :[.. should be an exciting tournament though! Don't know if MC is really deserving of that invite right now, but we'll see!
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
On September 22 2011 08:59 bokchoi wrote: Unlucky for HerO, worst possible group for him :[.. should be an exciting tournament though! Don't know if MC is really deserving of that invite right now, but we'll see!
Even recently MC has accomplished more than everyone in this tournament except maybe Huk, what are you talking about lol? He placed second in IEM just recently and is in the top 10 Korean ladder despite having almost 50 less games played than everyone else. He's hardly the first person to lose to ling runbys and garbage maps. He's easily one of the favorites for this tournament and has a winning record versus almost all of them.
Awesome event. I am so excited. It's fantastic to hear that the best NA LoL teams will be playing as well. If only they could invite some of the best EU teams like SK, Fnatic and Millenium.
On September 22 2011 08:59 bokchoi wrote: Unlucky for HerO, worst possible group for him :[.. should be an exciting tournament though! Don't know if MC is really deserving of that invite right now, but we'll see!
We'll see, the one thing about this tournament is the map pool is huge, 11 maps, so I'm really curious about how vetoes will work and I think this will actually really benefit non-terran players.
On September 22 2011 10:24 Snorkle wrote: Wizards of the Coast is sponsoring??? please tell me there will be magic drafts etc. to be played at the venue??
I will totally do a Magic Draft with you at the tournament. Just catch up with me. :D
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
On September 22 2011 11:43 Xaerkar wrote: Free streams with first person stage views? I don't even know what to say :O IPL FOREVER!
Thanks for your support, and I just want to make sure this is clear to you: the free high def screens are of the main stage and qualifier stage with your normal tournament experience, casters talking over the game and all that kind of good stuff.
The first person views for the qualifier and main stage come with the 6 dollar subscription to IGN Prime!
On September 22 2011 11:43 Xaerkar wrote: Free streams with first person stage views? I don't even know what to say :O IPL FOREVER!
Thanks for your support, and I just want to make sure this is clear to you: the free high def screens are of the main stage and qualifier stage with your normal tournament experience, casters talking over the game and all that kind of good stuff.
The first person views for the qualifier and main stage come with the 6 dollar subscription to IGN Prime!
I would like to clarify the clarification in saying that if you attend the event in person, you get the normal tournament experience with the caster view and also get the player views, one on each screen. Yes. That's THREE projection screens in the main stage Circus-Maximus.
On September 22 2011 11:43 Xaerkar wrote: Free streams with first person stage views? I don't even know what to say :O IPL FOREVER!
Thanks for your support, and I just want to make sure this is clear to you: the free high def screens are of the main stage and qualifier stage with your normal tournament experience, casters talking over the game and all that kind of good stuff.
The first person views for the qualifier and main stage come with the 6 dollar subscription to IGN Prime!
I would like to clarify the clarification in saying that if you attend the event in person, you get the normal tournament experience with the caster view and also get the player views, one on each screen. Yes. That's THREE projection screens in the main stage Circus-Maximus.
This! The in-person experience is far better than at home!
Is there going to be a deal on IGN prime for people that just want it for the 4 days of IPL 3? You guys did coupon codes for other things, you should do a coupon code for IGN prime for people that just want it for IPL 3 only.
On September 22 2011 12:46 Canucklehead wrote: Is there going to be a deal on IGN prime for people that just want it for the 4 days of IPL 3? You guys did coupon codes for other things, you should do a coupon code for IGN prime for people that just want it for IPL 3 only.
We feel like the price point is pretty low even if you only use it for 4 days. 6 bucks for 4 extra streams for 4 days, and it's not just throwaway content, we want to make it so those who can't attend feel like they are there through our player vision streams and LiveU cameras!
On September 22 2011 12:46 Canucklehead wrote: Is there going to be a deal on IGN prime for people that just want it for the 4 days of IPL 3? You guys did coupon codes for other things, you should do a coupon code for IGN prime for people that just want it for IPL 3 only.
We feel like the price point is pretty low even if you only use it for 4 days. 6 bucks for 4 extra streams for 4 days, and it's not just throwaway content, we want to make it so those who can't attend feel like they are there through our player vision streams and LiveU cameras!
Ok fair enough, but how easy is it to cancel after the one month is up? Like is it going to try to autorenew itself at the end of the month? You don't have to jump through a bunch of hoops like ms makes you with xbox live right when you want to cancel?
wait i just saw we could watch fp view. Wholy shit yes thank you god I always find that entertaining :D. Reading that got me about 500 times more excited. this tournament is going to fucking rock go ign! will definitely pay the 7$ just for this event and for fp view :D
I really hope FPView becomes a common this in tournaments. Even if they just cut to it on the normal stream for a few seconds sometimes, it's a really sweet feature.
On September 22 2011 12:46 Canucklehead wrote: Is there going to be a deal on IGN prime for people that just want it for the 4 days of IPL 3? You guys did coupon codes for other things, you should do a coupon code for IGN prime for people that just want it for IPL 3 only.
We feel like the price point is pretty low even if you only use it for 4 days. 6 bucks for 4 extra streams for 4 days, and it's not just throwaway content, we want to make it so those who can't attend feel like they are there through our player vision streams and LiveU cameras!
Ok fair enough, but how easy is it to cancel after the one month is up? Like is it going to try to autorenew itself at the end of the month? You don't have to jump through a bunch of hoops like ms makes you with xbox live right when you want to cancel?
I will personally ask the head of IGN Prime these questions tomorrow and let you know! As far as I know it's easy yes. Incidentally, IGN Prime does offer a lot of cool stuff like early beta access and other cool giveaways. Take a look at their features before you decide to cancel!
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
On September 22 2011 19:00 Ganseng wrote: totalbiscuit's visa issues? what, there are visas between usa and uk???
Don't quote me on this but he was mistakenly placed on a "Possible Terrorist" list and is having a lot of issues with the US State Department trying to reverse that.
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2. If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;(
On September 22 2011 19:28 Nadarath wrote: Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2. If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;(
yeah mana+nerchio is the 2 of the best Euros atm. Really which foreign toss (that is not living in korea ) is better than mana atm? And nerchio, well judging from his latest triumphs, he's looks totally unstoppable.
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
GoOdy beat Nestea , i think IdrA SeleCT nAni or White-ra hasnt done that right?
On September 22 2011 19:28 Nadarath wrote: Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2. If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;(
Yeah, I don't get why they didn't invite top3 of IPL2. And Mana and Nerchio are among top foreigners. They should have taken the place of Select and Ret.
On September 22 2011 19:28 Nadarath wrote: Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2. If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;(
Yeah, I don't get why they didn't invite top3 of IPL2. And Mana and Nerchio are among top foreigners. They should have taken the place of Select and Ret.
Well dont get me wrong - i think all of the players that got invited are top world class SC2 so i wouldnt swap anyone. Still would be nice if IGN gave some info on that matter.
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to be better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
On September 22 2011 06:49 TERRANLOL wrote: What makes people think Stephano is so good? I'm not asking this implying anything about Stephano, but I actually haven't seen him compete with anyone :/ Where has Stephano been posting results?
Ignorance is bliss.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
1. First of all he actually qualified beating alot of good koreans, unlike some others that just get invited because they got alot of fans
2nd. He placed 3rd at Assembly Summer 2011 beating Sen, and many others. 1st place Sennheiser Cup. 1st place Master Series Finals. 3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy all good lans with tough opposition.
At IEM he all-most knocked Puma out of the tournament was a really good serie TvZ. Showed that Stephano can compete with the best of the best
at HSC 3 he beat Huk 2-0 quite easy and Huk went l8t on to win that tournament.
He also got the highest win/lose ration EU ladder atm. Rank 1
There is a reason why his nickname is Wrecking Ball!
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to be better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
Goody is just goody, he's on an over universe ! You can compare him to any-one, he doesn't play the same game as us
Btw i'm a big stephano's fan and i really think he doesn't deserve all this hipe, the guy is incredibly good, he beat puzzle, marineking, mma, revival and Alicia in bo3 but they played at 6am with massive lag from korea ! We put so much pressure on him, he seems the favorite of his group for everyone in the thread but the 3 others are group S. He has hard time vs top tosses and zergs these times and Huk can really beat him i'd give 70% for huk vs Stephano. And the corean terrans seem to be on fire nowodays ! He will certainly be 2nd or 3th of his group i guess, behind alive wich seems the best of group1.
On September 22 2011 07:02 Blasphemi wrote: [quote]
But that's nothing compared to say Huk who won Dreamhack, Homestory and an MLG.
Or Ret who won Assembly and EU Blizzcon
Or Naniwa 2nd in TSL, 1st MLG.
Thorzain 1st TSL, 2nd Dreamhack.
and so on...
No one thinks Stephano isn't good, it's just his hype extends well beyond his achievements right now.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
yeah mana+nerchio is the 2 of the best Euros atm. Really which foreign toss (that is not living in korea ) is better than mana atm?
Depends on the matchup:
His PvT is undoubtly the best in EU atm. PvP is a matchup, that is extremely hard to judge, because it is so unforgiving. One small mistake can cost you a match. However, Mana´s PvP is surely good enough to take games off other Top EU Protoss palyers like White-Ra, Socke or Hasuobs. It really depends on the daily form. In PvZ I see Socke stronger. Not only is he statitically way better than Mana (over 60% winrate to 50%), Socke had also some really strong results against Zerg lately.
Regarding the other topic on the last pages, I can not believe how far some people here go to make Stephano´s 3rd place at Assembly look as best as possible. Blaming his loss on the nature of ZvZ rather than giving Dimaga (the guy, that won the tourney eventually) the respect he deserves or shitting on major NA events like the Battlenet Inv. NA. This tourney featured powerhouses like Huk, Sheth, Kiwikaki, Select and (an performing) Idra. While EU as a whole is better than NA, the few absolute top players they have can compete with any top player in europe.
Stephanos 3rd place was undoubtly a very strong result as was his run in the qualifier for IPL III, but it can also not be argured, that there are some zergs and a good number of foreigners in general, who are more accomplished than him, partly due to the fact that those people play on the highest foreign level for far longer than Stephano (which is in itself proof for their skill).
I just get the feeling, that some people want to force him into the role of the best foreign zerg or even best foreign player. For them anything short of advancing to the finals would be probably a dissapointment. As far as the hype around him goes, he is still not unbeatable. For that I only need to look a few days back, when Hasuobs defeated him convincingly.
Yes it is Assemply summer is much bigger then blisscon invitational where only 8 players get invited and where is more about getting lucky with the brackets then anything els. You could also say not the best players in EU where there.
Yes Huk has won Dreamhack and mlg like 4 months and allmost 1 year ago alot can happened. Stephano is on the top of his game atm and Huk lost last time to Stephano . Huk is an amasing player and he is still rank 1 on my pound4pound list on best foreign player. Im not saying Huk cant beat Stephano but its not gonna be easy
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
On September 22 2011 19:28 Nadarath wrote: Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2. If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;(
We had to make very difficult decisions and we wanted to invite one of each race from NA and EU. This isn't a slight on any players that didn't get picked, there were too many players that deserve it. A lot of heated debates in the office about it also!
I"m late to the format debate but I just want to say only taking 12 players from the open bracket and giving the top of each pool a bye first round might have been something to consider giving the pool players something to fight for.
On September 22 2011 07:25 Blasphemi wrote: [quote]
I'm fairly sure there was more money for Blizzcon EU and the quality of players was higher are at least the same. No to mention Ret actually won, rather than coming third.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
On September 22 2011 19:28 Nadarath wrote: Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2. If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;(
We had to make very difficult decisions and we wanted to invite one of each race from NA and EU. This isn't a slight on any players that didn't get picked, there were too many players that deserve it. A lot of heated debates in the office about it also!
Yeah but how do you justify inviting Ret over the 2nd place finisher in your previous IPL? I mean nothing against Ret, he's a great player and deserves an Invite, I just feel that in the umbrella of IPL, Nerchio deserves it more based on performance.
Edit: I feel like casters and players should already have visa's, rather than waiting until they need to fly somewhere to get them, but I mean that's just me I guess.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
You are right. MLG is much more worse. Because MLG pool spots are inherited. Its inbreed. However, if you think you can see the best games and skilled players @ offline events like MLG "you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be."
On September 22 2011 19:28 Nadarath wrote: Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2. If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;(
We had to make very difficult decisions and we wanted to invite one of each race from NA and EU. This isn't a slight on any players that didn't get picked, there were too many players that deserve it. A lot of heated debates in the office about it also!
Yeah but how do you justify inviting Ret over the 2nd place finisher in your previous IPL? I mean nothing against Ret, he's a great player and deserves an Invite, I just feel that in the umbrella of IPL, Nerchio deserves it more based on performance.
Edit: I feel like casters and players should already have visa's, rather than waiting until they need to fly somewhere to get them, but I mean that's just me I guess.
I agree with you I got no idea how they would invite Ret over Nerchio. Ret didnt do very well in IPL season 2 Nerchio took 3rd.
It really smells like there decision was more based on popularity then actually skills. How cna new players actually evolve if they do well wont even get an invite to lans. Maybe thats why Nerchio didnt attend any qualifiers becuase he was pissed?
I would actually like a respond from Josh about why Ret over nerchio?
I agree that players make names for themselves at big LAN events but you also have to recognize that the level of competition has risen dramatically since events like MLG DC and Dallas. The winners of those events are not necessarily still the best players. Stephano has looked very impressive for a fair amount of time now and I certainly think he is a better player then for example Ret or Idra.
On September 22 2011 19:28 Nadarath wrote: Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2. If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;(
We had to make very difficult decisions and we wanted to invite one of each race from NA and EU. This isn't a slight on any players that didn't get picked, there were too many players that deserve it. A lot of heated debates in the office about it also!
Yeah but how do you justify inviting Ret over the 2nd place finisher in your previous IPL? I mean nothing against Ret, he's a great player and deserves an Invite, I just feel that in the umbrella of IPL, Nerchio deserves it more based on performance.
Edit: I feel like casters and players should already have visa's, rather than waiting until they need to fly somewhere to get them, but I mean that's just me I guess.
I agree with you I got no idea how they would invite Ret over Nerchio. Ret didnt do very well in IPL season 2 Nerchio took 3rd.
It really smells like there decision was more based on popularity then actually skills. How cna new players actually evolve if they do well wont even get an invite to lans. Maybe thats why Nerchio didnt attend any qualifiers becuase he was pissed?
I would actually like a respond from Josh about why Ret over nerchio?
If the invites were based purely on skill it would be all Koreans. Also it's a matter of opinion whether Nerchio is actually better than Ret or not, especially since the only LAN they were both at Ret won. It's not like they're inviting Destiny over him or something so what's the big deal?
On September 22 2011 19:28 Nadarath wrote: Im kind of sad that i dont see in players list neither Nerchio or Mana. Would be much better if IPL try harder to invite players who did well in IPL2. If it was refuse on players side then its ok but since i dont have such info im sad ;(
We had to make very difficult decisions and we wanted to invite one of each race from NA and EU. This isn't a slight on any players that didn't get picked, there were too many players that deserve it. A lot of heated debates in the office about it also!
Yeah but how do you justify inviting Ret over the 2nd place finisher in your previous IPL? I mean nothing against Ret, he's a great player and deserves an Invite, I just feel that in the umbrella of IPL, Nerchio deserves it more based on performance.
Edit: I feel like casters and players should already have visa's, rather than waiting until they need to fly somewhere to get them, but I mean that's just me I guess.
I agree with you I got no idea how they would invite Ret over Nerchio. Ret didnt do very well in IPL season 2 Nerchio took 3rd.
It really smells like there decision was more based on popularity then actually skills. How cna new players actually evolve if they do well wont even get an invite to lans. Maybe thats why Nerchio didnt attend any qualifiers becuase he was pissed?
I would actually like a respond from Josh about why Ret over nerchio?
If the invites were based purely on skill it would be all Koreans. Also it's a matter of opinion whether Nerchio is actually better than Ret or not, especially since the only LAN they were both at Ret won. It's not like they're inviting Destiny over him or something so what's the big deal?
IMO it doesn't really have to do with "skill" so much as performance UNDER THE IPL UMBRELLA.
Yeah Ret won the LAN they were both at but it wasn't IPL. In the IPL they were both in Nerchio performed FAR better. He took 2nd for cryin out loud. My beef is that Nerchio performed better than Ret in IPL, so he deserves an invite FROM IPL more than Ret.
If this were NASL or something then I can see inviting Ret over Nerchio, but not IPL.
I personally was very impressed by Ret's performance here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_European_Battle.net_Invitational defeating Naniwa 2-1, ThorZaIN 2-0, and Naniwa again 2-0 in the grand finals. No one person at IGN eSports decided to invite Ret over Nerchio, just the evidence at the time and Ret's consistently good showing at live events seemed like a player we could not refuse.
What are you talking about all-most the same players at Blizzon was at Assemply summer + the top of EU and others "Nada, Sen"
You cant even compare it Assemply together with Dreamhack and ESL is the biggest lan in Europe you preatty clueless if you think otherwise
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
LoL is getting really big O>O so happy its going to be in IPL :D but i personally have trouble watching DotA type games :\ but thats just me still love the game and excited for MC, Ret, and all the other players in IPL
On September 22 2011 11:29 Blasphemi wrote: [quote]
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
Well my question is how do we foster new players then? Because what should new players do? if it isn't enough to place 3rd in IGN season 2 to get an invite. What should up and coming players do?
Where is EU and US DRG? if we go back 6months ago. No one knew who DRG was but he got a shot and is now a huge star. Our young talents don't get any chance to come out and show them self.
The Korean scene foster new talents all the time Puma,DRG,Ryung,Bomber. no1 had heard about these players 6 months ago.
Where is the foreign scene talents?
I´ll tell you where they are they sitting and winning on-line cups because that's all they can do but apparently that's not enough.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
Well my question is how do we foster new players then? Because what should new players do? if it isn't enough to place 3rd in IGN season 2 to get an invite. What should up and coming players do?
Where is EU and US DRG? if we go back 6months ago. No one knew who DRG was but he got a shot and is now a huge star. Our young talents don't get any chance to come out and show them self.
The Korean scene foster new talents all the time Puma,DRG,Ryung,Bomber. no1 had heard about these players 6 months ago.
Where is the foreign scene talents?
I´ll tell you where they are they sitting and winning on-line cups because that's all they can do but apparently that's not enough.
I think you're blowing this a little out of proportion. It isn't that getting 3rd isn't enough to get an invite, it definitely does. It was just that there are other great options out there as well. We are also giving people a chance to prove themselves through our online and live qualifiers as well, in terms of new talent.
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
Well my question is how do we foster new players then? Because what should new players do? if it isn't enough to place 3rd in IGN season 2 to get an invite. What should up and coming players do?
Where is EU and US DRG? if we go back 6months ago. No one knew who DRG was but he got a shot and is now a huge star. Our young talents don't get any chance to come out and show them self.
The Korean scene foster new talents all the time Puma,DRG,Ryung,Bomber. no1 had heard about these players 6 months ago.
Where is the foreign scene talents?
I´ll tell you where they are they sitting and winning on-line cups because that's all they can do but apparently that's not enough.
I think you're blowing this a little out of proportion. It isn't that getting 3rd isn't enough to get an invite, it definitely does. It was just that there are other great options out there as well. We are also giving people a chance to prove themselves through our online and live qualifiers as well, in terms of new talent.
Maybe its a little out of proportion but the question had to be asked. I find it all-most impossible for new players in the foreign scene to get a shot because organisations always go with players that is well-known. It makes sense for a business aspect but its destroying the talent development.
And this is not just IGN its the entire scene. Dreamhack,NASL,ESL etc..
Don´t get me wrong I love IGN and think you doing an amazing job. I just wish the foreign scene would also focus about showcasing up and coming players.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
Well my question is how do we foster new players then? Because what should new players do? if it isn't enough to place 3rd in IGN season 2 to get an invite. What should up and coming players do?
Where is EU and US DRG? if we go back 6months ago. No one knew who DRG was but he got a shot and is now a huge star. Our young talents don't get any chance to come out and show them self.
The Korean scene foster new talents all the time Puma,DRG,Ryung,Bomber. no1 had heard about these players 6 months ago.
Where is the foreign scene talents?
I´ll tell you where they are they sitting and winning on-line cups because that's all they can do but apparently that's not enough.
I think you're blowing this a little out of proportion. It isn't that getting 3rd isn't enough to get an invite, it definitely does. It was just that there are other great options out there as well. We are also giving people a chance to prove themselves through our online and live qualifiers as well, in terms of new talent.
Maybe its a little out of proportion but the question had to be asked. I find it all-most impossible for new players in the foreign scene to get a shot because organisations always go with players that is well-known. It makes sense for a business aspect but its destroying the talent development.
And this is not just IGN its the entire scene. Dreamhack,NASL,ESL etc..
Don´t get me wrong I love IGN and think you doing an amazing job. I just wish the foreign scene would also focus about showcasing up and coming players.
Here's the thing and I may be wrong, but nericho didn't sign up for 1 IPL 3 qualifier, while stephano did obviously so he gets props for that. Also, a ton of euros didn't sign up for any qualifiers, which I didn't understand. This was their shot to win a qualifier and get a free trip to IPL 3, yet the majority of the euro pros, and NA pros chose to stay on the sidelines. So, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them, when they chose not to compete in the qualifiers.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
Well my question is how do we foster new players then? Because what should new players do? if it isn't enough to place 3rd in IGN season 2 to get an invite. What should up and coming players do?
Where is EU and US DRG? if we go back 6months ago. No one knew who DRG was but he got a shot and is now a huge star. Our young talents don't get any chance to come out and show them self.
The Korean scene foster new talents all the time Puma,DRG,Ryung,Bomber. no1 had heard about these players 6 months ago.
Where is the foreign scene talents?
I´ll tell you where they are they sitting and winning on-line cups because that's all they can do but apparently that's not enough.
I think you're blowing this a little out of proportion. It isn't that getting 3rd isn't enough to get an invite, it definitely does. It was just that there are other great options out there as well. We are also giving people a chance to prove themselves through our online and live qualifiers as well, in terms of new talent.
Maybe its a little out of proportion but the question had to be asked. I find it all-most impossible for new players in the foreign scene to get a shot because organisations always go with players that is well-known. It makes sense for a business aspect but its destroying the talent development.
And this is not just IGN its the entire scene. Dreamhack,NASL,ESL etc..
Don´t get me wrong I love IGN and think you doing an amazing job. I just wish the foreign scene would also focus about showcasing up and coming players.
Here's the thing and I may be wrong, but nericho didn't sign up for 1 IPL 3 qualifier, while stephano did obviously so he gets props for that. Also, a ton of euros didn't sign up for any qualifiers, which I didn't understand. This was their shot to win a qualifier and get a free trip to IPL 3, yet the majority of the euro pros chose to stay on the sidelines. So, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them, when they chose not to compete in the qualifiers.
I'm not talking about Euro´s players im talking about young and promising talents in the foreign scene. NA,EU etc
Lets talk about north America where are you up and coming players? The only one I know is actually DDE. And I am sure there is alot others but its so hard for them to get showcased.
Anyway enough of my rant looking forward to the tournament I am sure it´s going to rock
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
Well my question is how do we foster new players then? Because what should new players do? if it isn't enough to place 3rd in IGN season 2 to get an invite. What should up and coming players do?
Where is EU and US DRG? if we go back 6months ago. No one knew who DRG was but he got a shot and is now a huge star. Our young talents don't get any chance to come out and show them self.
The Korean scene foster new talents all the time Puma,DRG,Ryung,Bomber. no1 had heard about these players 6 months ago.
Where is the foreign scene talents?
I´ll tell you where they are they sitting and winning on-line cups because that's all they can do but apparently that's not enough.
I think you're blowing this a little out of proportion. It isn't that getting 3rd isn't enough to get an invite, it definitely does. It was just that there are other great options out there as well. We are also giving people a chance to prove themselves through our online and live qualifiers as well, in terms of new talent.
Maybe its a little out of proportion but the question had to be asked. I find it all-most impossible for new players in the foreign scene to get a shot because organisations always go with players that is well-known. It makes sense for a business aspect but its destroying the talent development.
And this is not just IGN its the entire scene. Dreamhack,NASL,ESL etc..
Don´t get me wrong I love IGN and think you doing an amazing job. I just wish the foreign scene would also focus about showcasing up and coming players.
Here's the thing and I may be wrong, but nericho didn't sign up for 1 IPL 3 qualifier, while stephano did obviously so he gets props for that. Also, a ton of euros didn't sign up for any qualifiers, which I didn't understand. This was their shot to win a qualifier and get a free trip to IPL 3, yet the majority of the euro pros chose to stay on the sidelines. So, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them, when they chose not to compete in the qualifiers.
I'm not talking about Euro´s players im talking about young and promising talents in the foreign scene. NA,EU etc
Lets talk about north America where are you up and coming players? The only one I know is actually DDE. And I am sure there is alot others but its so hard for them to get showcased.
Well I don't think there are many up/coming players or very few because it's a chicken/egg scenario. Mr. Joe ladder can't get great without being on a team because he can't afford to play sc 2 24/7. A team won't recruit Mr. Joe ladder until he gets great though, which is hard because he can't dedicate his time to sc2 full time without a team's financial backing.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
Well my question is how do we foster new players then? Because what should new players do? if it isn't enough to place 3rd in IGN season 2 to get an invite. What should up and coming players do?
Where is EU and US DRG? if we go back 6months ago. No one knew who DRG was but he got a shot and is now a huge star. Our young talents don't get any chance to come out and show them self.
The Korean scene foster new talents all the time Puma,DRG,Ryung,Bomber. no1 had heard about these players 6 months ago.
Where is the foreign scene talents?
I´ll tell you where they are they sitting and winning on-line cups because that's all they can do but apparently that's not enough.
I think you're blowing this a little out of proportion. It isn't that getting 3rd isn't enough to get an invite, it definitely does. It was just that there are other great options out there as well. We are also giving people a chance to prove themselves through our online and live qualifiers as well, in terms of new talent.
Maybe its a little out of proportion but the question had to be asked. I find it all-most impossible for new players in the foreign scene to get a shot because organisations always go with players that is well-known. It makes sense for a business aspect but its destroying the talent development.
And this is not just IGN its the entire scene. Dreamhack,NASL,ESL etc..
Don´t get me wrong I love IGN and think you doing an amazing job. I just wish the foreign scene would also focus about showcasing up and coming players.
Here's the thing and I may be wrong, but nericho didn't sign up for 1 IPL 3 qualifier, while stephano did obviously so he gets props for that. Also, a ton of euros didn't sign up for any qualifiers, which I didn't understand. This was their shot to win a qualifier and get a free trip to IPL 3, yet the majority of the euro pros chose to stay on the sidelines. So, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them, when they chose not to compete in the qualifiers.
I'm not talking about Euro´s players im talking about young and promising talents in the foreign scene. NA,EU etc
Lets talk about north America where are you up and coming players? The only one I know is actually DDE. And I am sure there is alot others but its so hard for them to get showcased.
Anyway enough of my rant looking forward to the tournament I am sure it´s going to rock
It's not hard to get showcased. Join the qualifiers and impress in them. IGN gave the perfect opportunity to up and comers. Doing well in these is how you get noticed. VPchance got noticed for his epic run in qualifier 4. Posting good results is how you get noticef. They aren't just going to jand out spots to people who haven't shown they are worthy of them.
Did DRG, MMA, or Bombet get preferential treatment before posting results? No. Why would it b ed any different in EU or NA.
Take notes from Stephano if you want to see how you prove yourself.
On September 22 2011 11:29 Blasphemi wrote: [quote]
So you ignore the fact Stephano didn't actually win, he came third. Which was my original point, that winning Blizzcon EU is better than coming third at Assembly, and when you factor in Ret's own Assembly win (yes win, not third place) there's really no reason to rate Stephano above Ret right now. Kas, Happy and Goody have proven that online cups don't mean anything. Stephano needs to get himself a big LAN (or IPL/TSL level online tourny) win before I will consider him alongside top foreigners like Dimaga, Idra, White Ra, Select, Ret, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain. Results do matter and they're much more important than how nice his play looked on his stream or how many Craft Cup's he won vs Elfi.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
So you are saying that Thorzain is a nobody because TSL3 is an online tournament ?(having 1 serie not online, doesn't make it a lan event).
What matters the most is not whether it's lan or online. What matters is the level of players who joins the tournament.
Stephano won IPL3 qualifier 3, a tournament with a dozen of recently code-S players, that's way more impressive than a lan with no high level korean.
First, Stephano only came third because he lost ZvZ gambling vs Dimaga. That was more luck then skill. I dont know why playing under horrible conditions in offline events like @ Assembly should have more value then online cups. I also don't know which offline event was won by Idra, White-Ra, Naniwa or Select that makes them top foreigners in your eyes, while Happy, Kas or Goody are not in your list (all by far better then Idra).
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
What matters the most is not whether it's lan or online. What matters is the level of players who joins the tournament.
Stephano won IPL3 qualifier 3, a tournament with a dozen of recently code-S players, that's way more impressive than a lan with no high level korean.
Well I never said a lan with no high level koreans was impressive because any event with no koreans in it isn't impressive. I was mainly talking about how winning a MLG with koreans in it is way harder and more impressive than winning euro online cups.
As for stephano, yeah his ipl win was impressive in a sense, but also not because the koreans were playing with massive lag and the tourney started at 3am for them. If he beats them at a lan with no lag and while they're awake, then I will give him props. Until then, I'll put him in the kas/happy category.
I don't think it's unfair to ask someone to prove it at a lan, otherwise adelscott is better than mvp because he beat him in tsl 3 or goody because he beat nestea. There's a reason nestea refuses to play any foreign online events now, because he's a prideful guy who hates to lose and losing online to players worse than himself because of lag tarnishes his rep.
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
What matters the most is not whether it's lan or online. What matters is the level of players who joins the tournament.
Stephano won IPL3 qualifier 3, a tournament with a dozen of recently code-S players, that's way more impressive than a lan with no high level korean.
Well I never said a lan with no high level koreans was impressive because any event with no koreans in it isn't impressive. I was mainly talking about how winning a MLG with koreans in it is way harder and more impressive than winning euro online cups.
As for stephano, yeah his ipl win was impressive in a sense, but also not because the koreans were playing with massive lag and the tourney started at 3am for them. If he beats them at a lan with no lag and while they're awake, then I will give him props. Until then, I'll put him in the kas/happy category.
I don't think it's unfair to ask someone to prove it at a lan, otherwise adelscott is better than mvp because he beat him in tsl 3 or goody because he beat nestea. There's a reason nestea refuses to play any foreign online events now, because he's a prideful guy who hates to lose and losing online to players worse than himself because of lag tarnishes his rep.
If it isn't a lan, it doesnt matter. If there is no high level koreans, it isn't impressive.
So basically, to prove yourself, you have to win a lan with high level koreans... So I guess there is Huk, and all the other foreigners are on the same lower level.
And about your remark with goody & adelscot, you can't compare winning a BO3 with winning a tournament.
If just winning a BO3 in a lan setting is enough, Stephano has beaten Huk, Jinro, Whitera at the HSC3, and back then he wasn't nearly as strong as he is now.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
What matters the most is not whether it's lan or online. What matters is the level of players who joins the tournament.
Stephano won IPL3 qualifier 3, a tournament with a dozen of recently code-S players, that's way more impressive than a lan with no high level korean.
Well I never said a lan with no high level koreans was impressive because any event with no koreans in it isn't impressive. I was mainly talking about how winning a MLG with koreans in it is way harder and more impressive than winning euro online cups.
As for stephano, yeah his ipl win was impressive in a sense, but also not because the koreans were playing with massive lag and the tourney started at 3am for them. If he beats them at a lan with no lag and while they're awake, then I will give him props. Until then, I'll put him in the kas/happy category.
I don't think it's unfair to ask someone to prove it at a lan, otherwise adelscott is better than mvp because he beat him in tsl 3 or goody because he beat nestea. There's a reason nestea refuses to play any foreign online events now, because he's a prideful guy who hates to lose and losing online to players worse than himself because of lag tarnishes his rep.
If it isn't a lan, it doesnt matter. If there is no high level koreans, it isn't impressive.
So basically, to prove yourself, you have to win a lan with high level koreans... So I guess there is Huk, and all the other foreigners are on the same lower level.
If you place highly at some LANs with high level Koreans you have proven that you can compete with the best and if you place highly at some LANs without high level Koreans but with top foreigners you have proven that you can compete with the best outside of Korea. It´s common sense.
Honestly i dont expect any of the 8 invitees to come even close to winning this tournament, its probably be some korean that qualified online (mma/ryung/alive)
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
What matters the most is not whether it's lan or online. What matters is the level of players who joins the tournament.
Stephano won IPL3 qualifier 3, a tournament with a dozen of recently code-S players, that's way more impressive than a lan with no high level korean.
Well I never said a lan with no high level koreans was impressive because any event with no koreans in it isn't impressive. I was mainly talking about how winning a MLG with koreans in it is way harder and more impressive than winning euro online cups.
As for stephano, yeah his ipl win was impressive in a sense, but also not because the koreans were playing with massive lag and the tourney started at 3am for them. If he beats them at a lan with no lag and while they're awake, then I will give him props. Until then, I'll put him in the kas/happy category.
I don't think it's unfair to ask someone to prove it at a lan, otherwise adelscott is better than mvp because he beat him in tsl 3 or goody because he beat nestea. There's a reason nestea refuses to play any foreign online events now, because he's a prideful guy who hates to lose and losing online to players worse than himself because of lag tarnishes his rep.
If it isn't a lan, it doesnt matter. If there is no high level koreans, it isn't impressive.
So basically, to prove yourself, you have to win a lan with high level koreans... So I guess there is Huk, and all the other foreigners are on the same lower level.
If you place highly at some LANs with high level Koreans you have proven that you can compete with the best and if you place highly at some LANs without high level Koreans but with top foreigners you have proven that you can compete with the best outside of Korea. It´s common sense.
Look at MLG Raleigh, exclude the korean players and you have only 3 or 4 good players in this event. It means nothing placing behind the top 6 koreans there. In my eyes its more worth to win the Grubby invitational online event today with the best 64 EU players then placing 7 or 8 at any MLG event.
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
What matters the most is not whether it's lan or online. What matters is the level of players who joins the tournament.
Stephano won IPL3 qualifier 3, a tournament with a dozen of recently code-S players, that's way more impressive than a lan with no high level korean.
Well I never said a lan with no high level koreans was impressive because any event with no koreans in it isn't impressive. I was mainly talking about how winning a MLG with koreans in it is way harder and more impressive than winning euro online cups.
As for stephano, yeah his ipl win was impressive in a sense, but also not because the koreans were playing with massive lag and the tourney started at 3am for them. If he beats them at a lan with no lag and while they're awake, then I will give him props. Until then, I'll put him in the kas/happy category.
I don't think it's unfair to ask someone to prove it at a lan, otherwise adelscott is better than mvp because he beat him in tsl 3 or goody because he beat nestea. There's a reason nestea refuses to play any foreign online events now, because he's a prideful guy who hates to lose and losing online to players worse than himself because of lag tarnishes his rep.
Nestea didn't lose to GoOdy because of lag, thats totaly stupid. He wasn't prepared for GoOdys style. Look at the vods. No micro battles, GoOdy simply outplayed him.
In my eyes: Idra: MLG DC and Ro8 GSL. White Ra: HSC 2 and 2nd in DH inv and IEM. Naniwa: MLG Dallas and 2nd in HSC 2 and 3 and Blizz EU inv. Select: Blizz NA inv and 2nd MLG DC.
They´re all better than Happy, Kas and Goody who don´t really have comparable results.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz Na means nothing. Every EU online cup is harder to win then these. Its also about how often you play in offline events. Happy or Kas only played @ very few big offline events, while Naniwa shows up nearly everywhere and has also not a big list of wins. Its hard to make a list of the best EU players (not counting Naniwa or Thorzain EU). There are around 30 players nearly at the same level and I wouldn't put White-Ra or Dimaga @ the top of them.
They mean more than smaller online cups because a LAN tournament is the premier way to show skill. And if you don´t prove yourself on LAN tournaments you shouldn´t be considered to better than someone who has. So, unless you win an online tournament that has like a 50 000$ prize pool and some of the best players from all over the world, like IPL 2(White Ra won btw) it won´t matter nearly as much as if you´d win a big offline event, like Assembly(that Dimaga won).
@ KinQuh Goody managed to beat Nestea online when Nestea played from Korea?Ever heard of lag, delay or maybe not caring because you´re busy winning GSLs?
Maybe you guys watched SotG and you´re just trolling, I´m not sure.
MLG DC, MLG Dallas and Blizz NA are a joke. Most of the players in the later rounds of IPL2 you will find in every EU online cup too. The quality in EU online cups is very high and I don't know if you play under horrobile conditions like at Assembly the winner is always the best player.
@GoOdy vs Nestea We all love GoOdy. You know why? Because loosing to GoOdy forces always some very strange excuse by his opponent. GoOdy has one of the biggest fanbase in EU because its so funny to see him winning against people thinking that they are by far the superior players.
You don´t understand. Even if every single player in grandmaster on the KR, NA and EU servers would compete in the online cups they still wouldn´t matter as much as offline events do because the prize pool is relatively small, lag is always a factor and people do not take it as seriously.
Goody is awesome but if he would play Nestea at an MLG or GSL he would probably lose.
I agree that EU > NA but you must understand that LAN events > online cups.
On the other hand, in offline cups you will always have a limited number of good players. Most of the time the reason to get invited is more the team u are on then the skilllevel. Look at MLG. To be the best online needs much more skill then win an offline event.
LAN events are where you gain legitimacy as a player, if you can´t see that then you don´t understand how competitive gaming works. And MLG only invite Koreans to their events and if you think their skill level isn´t high enough you´re probably even dumber than you seem to be.
Agreed. No one cares who wins euro kraft cup #37 no matter how much the euros want to hype those online cups. You either do something at a lan event or you're just an online cup/ladder warrior that no one cares about. It's just a totally different environment and feeling playing in the comforts of your own home, compared to playing live in front of a crowd.
What matters the most is not whether it's lan or online. What matters is the level of players who joins the tournament.
Stephano won IPL3 qualifier 3, a tournament with a dozen of recently code-S players, that's way more impressive than a lan with no high level korean.
Well I never said a lan with no high level koreans was impressive because any event with no koreans in it isn't impressive. I was mainly talking about how winning a MLG with koreans in it is way harder and more impressive than winning euro online cups.
As for stephano, yeah his ipl win was impressive in a sense, but also not because the koreans were playing with massive lag and the tourney started at 3am for them. If he beats them at a lan with no lag and while they're awake, then I will give him props. Until then, I'll put him in the kas/happy category.
I don't think it's unfair to ask someone to prove it at a lan, otherwise adelscott is better than mvp because he beat him in tsl 3 or goody because he beat nestea. There's a reason nestea refuses to play any foreign online events now, because he's a prideful guy who hates to lose and losing online to players worse than himself because of lag tarnishes his rep.
You dont think the Europeans are playing with massive lag also?
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On September 28 2011 05:25 Joshy.IGN wrote: Some very skilled and popular players have signed up for the open qualifier, including a name or two you might not expect!
On September 28 2011 05:25 Joshy.IGN wrote: Some very skilled and popular players have signed up for the open qualifier, including a name or two you might not expect!
dont know if its already been written but... apparently Leenock is not going since he is to young and some law in the US prohibits his appereance since the competition is held at a casino ?..
im so sad.. really look forward to seeing leenock at a foreign event...
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