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Lomak
Profile Joined June 2010
United States311 Posts
September 19 2011 17:53 GMT
#21
So exactly how old is stephano? Did he even understand what he was signing when Complexity put the contract in front of him?

Not looking good.
Some see the glass half full, others half empty. I think the glass is just too big.
AA.spoon
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium331 Posts
September 19 2011 17:53 GMT
#22
On September 20 2011 02:51 itsjustatank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 02:44 Jtom wrote:
The means by which to recruit Complexity Stephano was disorienting enough to influence our young player to a bad decision.


Can this be translated with more finesse? It's a critical part of the story but is pretty confusing in its current form.

That is the literal translation out of french. Tbh, the french sentence isn't a totally correct one either.
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
September 19 2011 17:53 GMT
#23
lol?? few days in new team, before back to old... eh -.-
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Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
September 19 2011 17:53 GMT
#24
So now we have to question the validity of a team signing a player or jumping the gun and announcing it early to build hype about their team? Either way this is confusing news. Good luck to Stephano on whichever team he is on.
Brood War forever!
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
September 19 2011 17:55 GMT
#25
Is it possible to close this topic and mod edit the Mill statement into the first topic's OP? I don't want to have to follow discussion of two threads.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42394 Posts
September 19 2011 17:55 GMT
#26
On September 20 2011 02:53 Lomak wrote:
So exactly how old is stephano? Did he even understand what he was signing when Complexity put the contract in front of him?

Not looking good.


Born '94. This is pretty interesting, personally i would've wanted to see him in coL.
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
September 19 2011 17:56 GMT
#27
On September 20 2011 02:53 AA.spoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 02:51 itsjustatank wrote:
On September 20 2011 02:44 Jtom wrote:
The means by which to recruit Complexity Stephano was disorienting enough to influence our young player to a bad decision.


Can this be translated with more finesse? It's a critical part of the story but is pretty confusing in its current form.

That is the literal translation out of french. Tbh, the french sentence isn't a totally correct one either.


It's the translating you get when you use a translate tool. He was more after the meaning of the sentence. If that is the meaning we see, it's still a strangely worded sentence.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
September 19 2011 17:56 GMT
#28
Respect for Stephano went 1 notch up if true.
maliceee
Profile Joined August 2010
United States634 Posts
September 19 2011 17:56 GMT
#29
awkward translation...

this sucks for both teams, and stephano's in a horrible spot. sad situation.
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
September 19 2011 17:57 GMT
#30
This statement is so poorly drafted, I don't even know what to take apart from it. The press release needs to be properly phrased, with grammar and wording that is generally accepted by the English-speaking community.

As far as I can interpret, it seems that Stephano signed a contract with compLexity, and was going to compLexity. Now, it seems that Millennium and himself both felt bad, and wanted to stay back with each other once again.

If that is all correct, then I don't believe Stephano can legally do that, without breaking contractual agreements with compLexity.

This seems like ROOTDestiny going to compLexity, and leaving 5 days after, all again. But this time, way more serious, and way sooner.

I'll retain judgment until I see an official press release that is properly worded from both Millennium and compLexity, but as it stands, this is beyond unprofessional.
C r u m b l i n g
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
September 19 2011 17:57 GMT
#31
Oh shit

Shits about to hit the fan..
Koorb
Profile Joined March 2011
France266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 18:00:28
September 19 2011 17:58 GMT
#32
On September 20 2011 02:51 itsjustatank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 02:44 Jtom wrote:
The means by which to recruit Complexity Stephano was disorienting enough to influence our young player to a bad decision.


Can this be translated with more finesse? It's a critical part of the story but is pretty confusing in its current form.


"Les moyens employés par Complexity pour recruter Stephano ont été assez désorientants pour influencer notre jeune joueur vers une mauvaise décision. Après discussion, Stephano a compris son erreur, et a décidé de rester définitivement, pour les 12 prochains mois, chez Millenium."

"The way compLexity worked in order to recruit Stephano was disorienting for him, and led our young player to take a wrong decision. After we discussed the matter with him, Stephano understood his mistake, and decided to stay for good with Millenium for the next 12 months."

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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 19 2011 17:58 GMT
#33
o.O well, at least the title was elucidating. Wonder what's up now....
SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
September 19 2011 17:59 GMT
#34
haha more esports drama!
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wezzon
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden26 Posts
September 19 2011 17:59 GMT
#35
Signing with coL making Millenium give him a raise perhaps?
I'd consider this a smart move if that's how it went down.
WestCoast brah
Jtom
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
September 19 2011 17:59 GMT
#36
On September 20 2011 02:56 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 02:53 AA.spoon wrote:
On September 20 2011 02:51 itsjustatank wrote:
On September 20 2011 02:44 Jtom wrote:
The means by which to recruit Complexity Stephano was disorienting enough to influence our young player to a bad decision.


Can this be translated with more finesse? It's a critical part of the story but is pretty confusing in its current form.

That is the literal translation out of french. Tbh, the french sentence isn't a totally correct one either.


It's the translating you get when you use a translate tool. He was more after the meaning of the sentence. If that is the meaning we see, it's still a strangely worded sentence.

That is the way it is said in the article, pretty much. Basically Millennium are claiming that Complexity bamboozled Stephano into signing with them without giving him much time for thought and now he regrets his decision and pulled out. Reminds me of the situation with Destiny when Complexity acquired Root.
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Lomak
Profile Joined June 2010
United States311 Posts
September 19 2011 17:59 GMT
#37
On September 20 2011 02:56 Talin wrote:
Respect for Stephano went 1 notch up if true.


Why would you respect someone more for not sticking to their word?

If he wanted to stay on his old team then why sign a contract before actually thinking it through? Just goes to show you the impatience of youth.
Some see the glass half full, others half empty. I think the glass is just too big.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
September 19 2011 18:00 GMT
#38
On September 20 2011 02:44 Jtom wrote:
http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/stephano-signe-avec-millenium-le-president-de-millenium-s-exprime-51014


Cedric "Cedrix" Page, President of Millennium :



"Since the beginning of the Millennium, we dreamed of a French-discovered structure esport of young players with great potential, would support them in their passion and escort them to the summits ... Stephano joined Millennium in early Starcraft II, virtually unknown. We have supported the best so far. It is now considered a great hope of the world circuit, with enormous potential, and let him go to another team would have been for us a real failure, nonsense. The means by which to recruit Complexity Stephano was disorienting enough to influence our young player to a bad decision. After discussion, Stephano realized his mistake and decided to stay permanently, for the next 12 months, at Millennium .




The day was still troubled rich teaching.
This morning, the announcement of the departure of our American player to a structure, the majority of the French community has regarded this transfer as an increase in "logical". I have even seen fans of our site editors write that resignation Millennium "was not the weight." So let's stop devaluing, stop to think that French should leave the country to succeed. The site is millenium.org more page views than sk-gaming.com site or any European or American team out of Team Liquid. Our budget is certainly one of the world's largest structures among the e-sports. Let us therefore not as good as we are because we claim to be a French team.



Stephano as agreed to sign an employment contract CDI, as "Professional Player", identical to a professional sportsman. He will tour the world to win many tournaments, from Asia to the United States. We place our hopes in him, our dreams of victories made in France, but we also expect many of our other players and the upcoming Starcraft composition League of Legends ...

They make us dream and vibrate! Millennium that shines for all sports fans-mail that you are and that we are!"

Sad news for complexity, especially since he was only very recently announced to be joining them but great for Millennium and the French E-Sports scene.


I'll translate this properly for you, because some of this totally wrong.

"Since the start of Millenium, we dreamt of a french eSport platform that would discover young players with great potential, would support them in their passion and would follow them to the summits of skill...

Stephano joined Millenium at the start of Starcraft 2, practically unknown. We supported him as best as possible until today. He is now considered like a great hope for the world circuit with amazing potential, et to have let him go to another team would have been a complete failure for us, a nonsensical thing.

The techniques used by Complexity to recruit Stephano were quite disorienting to influence our young player towards a bad decision. After a long discussion, Stephano understood his error and decided to definitely stay with Millenium for the next 12 months

This troubled day was, however, full of teachings.
This morning, with the announcement of our player to an American team, the majority of the french community considered this transfer as a "logica" progression. I even saw some amateur writers of our site write with sadness that Millenium "could not compare."

Now, let's stop bringing ourselves down, lets stop thinking that a french player has to play abroad to succeed. The Millenium.org site has more page his then SK-Gaming.com or any other european or american team outside of Team Liquid. Our budget is certainly one of the biggest in the world in terms of E-sports teams.
So let's stop seeing ourselves as worse because we are a french team.

Stephano will sign, as agreed a CDI(Contrat a duree indeterminee, ie: a contract of work with no expiration date) as a "Professional player," identical to those signed by profesionally sportsmen. He will travel across the world to win many tournaments, from Asia to the USA. We put our hopes and dreams of a French victory on him, but we also expect a lot from our other Starcraft players et our soon to be League of Legends team...

Let them make us dream and cheer! Let Millenium shine, for all the passionate fans of electronic sports that we are!"
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Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
September 19 2011 18:00 GMT
#39
This is... really weird. I thought this was all sorted out and based on Complexity's statements it seemed like it was.

Drama incoming.
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
September 19 2011 18:01 GMT
#40
Bordering hilarity, this is.
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