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Exie610
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 18:15:09
September 21 2011 18:10 GMT
#841
Interesting. My SQ is about 74, well above Platinum's average. This reflects well in my gameplay - I often lose to all-ins due to lack of scouting, or simply being suprised by a unit combination that I was unprepared for. So this helps me - I know I can focus slightly less on my econ, and slightly more on awareness of my opponents.

Also, games that I win tend to have a lower SQ than games that I lose. I wonder what that means.
Gantz.z
Profile Joined November 2010
21 Posts
September 22 2011 00:26 GMT
#842
Idra's economy management is actually quite good in long MACRO games...Which is indicative of him as a great macro oriented player. Averaging about 20 games of his that were over 10min gave me an average of 99 SQ. I think the OP should consider a little revision. The OP insinuates that Idra is not as good a macro player as is blatantly obvious from his tournament records and replays. Which is quite misleading indeed. I don't like mud being thrown on any progamers play style.
Vies
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia57 Posts
September 22 2011 01:53 GMT
#843
I was calculating my SQ hoping to find that my macro was awful and I needed to improve..

Only to find that my SQ is 79 and I am only in Platinum... There must be something I am doing very horribly that I am still unaware of hmmm.

My personal SC aside, this Macro research is not only brilliant but one of the most intelligent posts I've seen on TL since I've been here. It's people like you that make this community great.
SquidFist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States16 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 05:41:49
September 22 2011 05:40 GMT
#844
Awesome post, well done and great read,im a numbers person and this definatly helps me see things better, man i need to work on my macro lol

-thanks again!
"Moar Steam" - Salokcin Snewo
Trashie
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway131 Posts
September 22 2011 10:40 GMT
#845
I have a boner.

Is that weird?
Kiwiandapple
Profile Joined March 2011
Belgium240 Posts
September 22 2011 16:12 GMT
#846
On September 22 2011 19:40 Trashie wrote:
I have a boner.

Is that weird?


Only if your a girl.

Anyway, awesome to read! very awesome indeed, seems like im capable off pulling off games around 90, while still having other games with 54 ^^ so just need to focus on the mistakes i do in those low games, and compare. Hopefully hitting diamond with this method! ♥
Don't worry, that's halo!
EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
September 22 2011 16:41 GMT
#847
I really like this,

I ended up with a 64.5, pretty much right on the Diamond level found here...

and I also find it very accurate in determining whether I won the game or not.

The one thing I did find odd though was that in the 40 games I looked at so far, there's no correlation in the SQ for a game and whether or not I won or lost the game.

My Average on Lost games was 64.4 and Won games 64.6

I was kind of hoping I'd see something like 'Oh, look I was a 47 this game, so I lost' but that wasn't the case.

Still, it seems like a good metric to gauge improvement.


Bronze/Silver/Gold level Guides - www.youtube.com/user/EnderSword
croupier
Profile Joined July 2010
United States92 Posts
September 22 2011 17:09 GMT
#848
Very nice post. Thanks for all the effort!
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
September 22 2011 20:37 GMT
#849
On September 22 2011 09:26 Gantz.z wrote:
Idra's economy management is actually quite good in long MACRO games...Which is indicative of him as a great macro oriented player. Averaging about 20 games of his that were over 10min gave me an average of 99 SQ. I think the OP should consider a little revision. The OP insinuates that Idra is not as good a macro player as is blatantly obvious from his tournament records and replays. Which is quite misleading indeed. I don't like mud being thrown on any progamers play style.


I have no idea what you are talking about. Nowhere did I insinuate that IdrA is not a good macro player. On the contrary, I emphasized that he has an extremely high SQ score, and that he is renowned for his macro skills. I suggest you take the time to read the article properly, and focus on making better quality posts in future.
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
Buddhist
Profile Joined April 2010
United States658 Posts
September 22 2011 21:42 GMT
#850
On September 23 2011 05:37 whatthefat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 09:26 Gantz.z wrote:
Idra's economy management is actually quite good in long MACRO games...Which is indicative of him as a great macro oriented player. Averaging about 20 games of his that were over 10min gave me an average of 99 SQ. I think the OP should consider a little revision. The OP insinuates that Idra is not as good a macro player as is blatantly obvious from his tournament records and replays. Which is quite misleading indeed. I don't like mud being thrown on any progamers play style.


I have no idea what you are talking about. Nowhere did I insinuate that IdrA is not a good macro player. On the contrary, I emphasized that he has an extremely high SQ score, and that he is renowned for his macro skills. I suggest you take the time to read the article properly, and focus on making better quality posts in future.

He definitely misread or misinterpreted what you said, but I don't think the quality of his post was lacking. He gave more interesting information ("20 games of his that were over 10min gave me an average of 99 SQ").
SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
September 22 2011 21:54 GMT
#851
My scientist heart just had a nerdgasm.

Great post!
Behavior is a function of its consequences.
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
September 22 2011 22:58 GMT
#852
Fantastic work!
Kultfrisur
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany41 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 23:03:57
September 22 2011 23:03 GMT
#853
This whole thread is of course completely awesome.
But i still keep wondering why one would pick the first constant to be 0.00137 instead of 0.001337...

the numbers would be slightly different but the whole thing even more 1337...
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
September 22 2011 23:21 GMT
#854
I got a question, wouldn't it be possible to make a series of custom maps using this calculation that shows you your spending quotient. Since custom maps can now store player information in between games this could be pretty good and save people with less mathematical skills from a lot of grief.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
September 22 2011 23:33 GMT
#855
Happy Birthday. I just happened upon this post and it's really awesome. Mad props
Brainling
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States660 Posts
September 23 2011 00:13 GMT
#856
On September 22 2011 03:10 Exie610 wrote:
Interesting. My SQ is about 74, well above Platinum's average. This reflects well in my gameplay - I often lose to all-ins due to lack of scouting, or simply being suprised by a unit combination that I was unprepared for. So this helps me - I know I can focus slightly less on my econ, and slightly more on awareness of my opponents.

Also, games that I win tend to have a lower SQ than games that I lose. I wonder what that means.


This is me. My SQ is 68, which is well above my league average, but I tend to lose to scouting lapses, because it's my biggest weakness. Just goes to show the importance of scouting. I'll get there, just really focused on mechanics and macro right now. I'll take the scouting losses and move on.
"The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us." - Theodore Roosevelt
Speight
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia152 Posts
September 23 2011 01:16 GMT
#857
This is an excellent idea OP. I think I may write a script to datamine a million games or something to see if I can validate your numbers.
coupons
Profile Joined January 2011
United States23 Posts
September 23 2011 06:14 GMT
#858
I just played a game with an SQ of 88.8.

And looking at the scale, I feel really great about myself after this game. Not sure if Blizzard's method of measuring APM has changed or not, but I was able to do it with around 60APM.

If this SQ point scale is accurate, it just goes to show how incredibly important macro mechanics are. If not, well, I feel pretty good to have played with an SQ of Idra's for even just one game.
Xaerkar
Profile Joined January 2011
United States230 Posts
September 23 2011 06:43 GMT
#859
Wow this is such an intelligent post, I actually have a way to measure my macro now instead of just looking at queen energy and resources in replays. I can finally calculate mathematically how much other players' macro perhaps sucks .
JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
September 23 2011 07:10 GMT
#860
On September 22 2011 09:26 Gantz.z wrote:
Idra's economy management is actually quite good in long MACRO games...Which is indicative of him as a great macro oriented player. Averaging about 20 games of his that were over 10min gave me an average of 99 SQ. I think the OP should consider a little revision. The OP insinuates that Idra is not as good a macro player as is blatantly obvious from his tournament records and replays. Which is quite misleading indeed. I don't like mud being thrown on any progamers play style.
Wait... when does OP insinuate that Idra is not an amazing macro player? He picks Idra as an example of super macro play, and states that his score is well above the GM average, and is very high. I'm confused by your reading of the OP
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