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edit: not going to derail thread any more
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On September 02 2011 07:37 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 07:23 Bobster wrote:On September 02 2011 07:21 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 07:19 Bobster wrote:
Also, for those claiming that IM is the best Korean team... They do have two of the most dominant players in the scene right now, but I'm not sure if that's enough to be considered one of the strongest teams. There's a distinct lack of depth behind the MVP, Nestea, Losira trifecta and a serious lack of top Protoss on IM. Theres a distinctive lack of top Protoss in GSL period. That being said, people are calling them a top team to denote the fact they obviously produce great players. Not really there ability to dominate the team league. I definitely agree that they're a great team, I just object to people calling them the best in Korea. They are the best in Korea, period. GSTL as a league will never produce the most skilled games as long as the pricepool is so poor ($ 27,600 for winning team) compared to Monthly GSL. Top players do not want to easily "share" their knowledge as long as their are in the run for the jackpot in GSL. Thats why you rarely/never see Nestea in GSTL. If the winner price was something in the 6 digit range, you would quickly see what IM is actually capable of. The current GSTL is nowhere near an accurate measurement for teams in Korea.
So it's fine for MVP and LosirA to get thrown out to "show" their strategies, but not NesTea? Oh, come now, that's ridiculous, and you know it.
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On September 02 2011 06:51 iMonAhorsE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 06:50 ReignFayth wrote:
when the money becomes fairly significant to 2 teammates and they are playing each other, agreeing to splitting money sounds like the most reasonable move imo, unless they can afford to gamble 5000$
god sc2 ist not poker dude
yeah dude money coming from SC2 is totally different
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Seriously. this dude just joined the (probably) best sc2 team to date. I have mad respect for this dude for making it this far. I hope people realise this is the SC2 equivalant of a foreigner joining flash's team (KT Rolster). This is so fucking epic omfg...
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On September 02 2011 06:53 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 06:47 AdreN- wrote:On September 02 2011 05:06 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 04:58 darkest44 wrote:On September 02 2011 04:53 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 04:47 ssg wrote:On September 02 2011 04:39 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 04:30 Full.tilt wrote:On September 02 2011 04:26 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 03:38 Kieofire wrote:
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Well by all means it is Fenix's money if he did win it, TT1 is just being greedy if this is true. im being greedy? pretournament we agreed (and i sent xeris a pm right after our agreement, in case something like this would have happened) that if we made it to the finals we were to share the winnings, after the finals(after i 1 base carriered him and he won) he told me that he didnt want to go through with the split, in my book the lowest thing someone can do is go back on his word after he made a promise.. hes a smart guy tho because he had both bases covered, if i had won the tournament he was gonna get a 50/50 split and if he ended up winning he wasnt gonna go throught with the split, if i cant trust someone then i dont want to have anything to do with that person and i let fnatic know my stance and told them to make a decision, a person that betrays someone elses trust and has no value for his word is the lowest form of a human being to me oh well at least he didn't cheat. yea because someone who cheated when he was 16 y.os in a game You mean 20? no when i got caught in tsl1 the replays that they referred to were dated, u should read the post i find it funny how i still have to defend myself for something that has nothing to do with you people and this situation =] if fenix were to have commited murder would u have posted.. o well at least he didnt cheat like tt1 did in sc1? LOL Yea and Fenix having success and joining IM has nothing to do with your personal grudge against him. Its funny how you don't see what a huge hypocrite you constantly are. You basically admit to match fixing by agreeing to split money then throwing the finals with lol 1 base carriers, then whine that he didn't go through with it. It's a douchebag move by BOTH of you. Sc2 is a spectator sport, you wouldn't get any money if no one was watching and fans dont want to see any sort of match fixing or playing half-assed/throwing finals because of monetary agreements that kills the whole spirit of the competition. You both made a douchebag move but you're the bigger douche for taking your personal grudge to a public forum and trying to ruin a happy announcement for the guy with a grudge that has nothing to do with him being on IM. do you know what match fixing is? its when 2 players plan out who wins in order to have people who are betting on a match profit from it, if u ever attempt to tarnish my name in that way again i swear to god please present yourself to a lan and it will fucking go down Threatening people isn't a mature thing either man, just ignore the trolls, move on, and learn from this mistake. At least be happy you got a free $5000 because GameGune was a joke competition-wise and for more money than MLG. You and Fenix should never have agreed on this to begin with because it makes for a boring finals when there is no money on the line (if both players have already agreed to split). Is that match fixing? Of course not. Does it devalue the finals by having "no" money on the line? Certainly. Congrats to Fenix on joining IM. good post, your right about everything in any case i want to make everyone happy so i wont be posting on tl anymore, dont wanna be considered part of this community anymore
TT1 is one of the few with the balls to call out Idra when he acts like an asshole and everyone praises him for it. He gets flack for that. He gets flack for calling out Fenix's dishonorable nature.
I'll always root for you buddy even if it means nothing. You're an honorable guy and you deserve more than you get. Don't let the haters get you down.
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well reason why most people to not confront anyone in here wats0n is because you are very likely to get banned for it
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Great move for Fenix.
Fnatic losing their 2 good players in sen and fenix, I wonder where the team will go from here
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Incredible Miracle it's 1 GSL Code A 4 GSL Code S and 1 GSL World Championship. IT IS the best team in the world at the moment.
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On September 02 2011 07:45 ReignFayth wrote:
well reason why most people to not confront anyone in here wats0n is because you are very likely to get banned for it
Your only gonna get banned for confronting people on baseless stupid stuff(for instance, me accusing you have map hacking and using a bot to win an online tourny with zero proof).
When it comes to TT1, we have solid ground to disagree with his behavior and piss poor dicision making.
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On September 02 2011 07:09 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 06:53 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 06:47 AdreN- wrote:On September 02 2011 05:06 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 04:58 darkest44 wrote:On September 02 2011 04:53 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 04:47 ssg wrote:On September 02 2011 04:39 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 04:30 Full.tilt wrote:On September 02 2011 04:26 TT1 wrote:
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im being greedy? pretournament we agreed (and i sent xeris a pm right after our agreement, in case something like this would have happened) that if we made it to the finals we were to share the winnings, after the finals(after i 1 base carriered him and he won) he told me that he didnt want to go through with the split, in my book the lowest thing someone can do is go back on his word after he made a promise.. hes a smart guy tho because he had both bases covered, if i had won the tournament he was gonna get a 50/50 split and if he ended up winning he wasnt gonna go throught with the split, if i cant trust someone then i dont want to have anything to do with that person and i let fnatic know my stance and told them to make a decision, a person that betrays someone elses trust and has no value for his word is the lowest form of a human being to me oh well at least he didn't cheat. yea because someone who cheated when he was 16 y.os in a game You mean 20? no when i got caught in tsl1 the replays that they referred to were dated, u should read the post i find it funny how i still have to defend myself for something that has nothing to do with you people and this situation =] if fenix were to have commited murder would u have posted.. o well at least he didnt cheat like tt1 did in sc1? LOL Yea and Fenix having success and joining IM has nothing to do with your personal grudge against him. Its funny how you don't see what a huge hypocrite you constantly are. You basically admit to match fixing by agreeing to split money then throwing the finals with lol 1 base carriers, then whine that he didn't go through with it. It's a douchebag move by BOTH of you. Sc2 is a spectator sport, you wouldn't get any money if no one was watching and fans dont want to see any sort of match fixing or playing half-assed/throwing finals because of monetary agreements that kills the whole spirit of the competition. You both made a douchebag move but you're the bigger douche for taking your personal grudge to a public forum and trying to ruin a happy announcement for the guy with a grudge that has nothing to do with him being on IM. do you know what match fixing is? its when 2 players plan out who wins in order to have people who are betting on a match profit from it, if u ever attempt to tarnish my name in that way again i swear to god please present yourself to a lan and it will fucking go down Threatening people isn't a mature thing either man, just ignore the trolls, move on, and learn from this mistake. At least be happy you got a free $5000 because GameGune was a joke competition-wise and for more money than MLG. You and Fenix should never have agreed on this to begin with because it makes for a boring finals when there is no money on the line (if both players have already agreed to split). Is that match fixing? Of course not. Does it devalue the finals by having "no" money on the line? Certainly. Congrats to Fenix on joining IM. good post, your right about everything in any case i want to make everyone happy so i wont be posting on tl anymore, dont wanna be considered part of this community anymore OK bye. TL doesn't need a maphacker and match fixer (Backroom deals that effect in game play is fixing as it denies the spectators a legitimate match) in it's community anyway. On top of that, way to contribute to stealing Fenix's time to shine. Which is that he has been getting really good and was adopted by probably the best Korean team out there at the moment.
I don't see a problem with agreeing to split winnings. They were teammates. In agreeing to split, TT1 apparently tried a very fun and off the wall strategy which should have resulted in a fun game to spectate. Whether Fenix truly agreed to this split remains in question, but if he agreed to it, they should have split it obviously.
It wouldn't have been fair to the viewer if they agreed to split and then TT1 just gg'd out or lost the game on purpose. From what he said, it sounds like he tried to win using a fun and unconventional strategy. *shrug*
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On September 02 2011 07:49 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 07:45 ReignFayth wrote:
well reason why most people to not confront anyone in here wats0n is because you are very likely to get banned for it Your only gonna get banned for confronting people on baseless stupid stuff(for instance, me accusing you have map hacking and using a bot to win an online tourny with zero proof). When it comes to TT1, we have solid ground to disagree with his behavior and piss poor dicision making.
spectators will be spectators.
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On September 02 2011 07:47 Yaki wrote:
Incredible Miracle it's 1 GSL Code A 4 GSL Code S and 1 GSL World Championship. IT IS the best team in the world at the moment.
+MLG and 1 GSTL championship
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i don't see how splitting winnings is anything even remotely close to matchfixing, but it's really scummy to renege like that. pretty sure a poker player trying to pull that move wouldn't be walking in the morning.
REGARDLESS
congrats to fenix! played some amazing games last night. good luck!
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On September 02 2011 07:51 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 07:47 Yaki wrote:
Incredible Miracle it's 1 GSL Code A 4 GSL Code S and 1 GSL World Championship. IT IS the best team in the world at the moment. +MLG and 1 GSTL championship
Yes obviously I didn't quoted everything
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On September 02 2011 07:40 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 06:51 iMonAhorsE wrote:On September 02 2011 06:50 ReignFayth wrote:
when the money becomes fairly significant to 2 teammates and they are playing each other, agreeing to splitting money sounds like the most reasonable move imo, unless they can afford to gamble 5000$
god sc2 ist not poker dude yeah dude money coming from SC2 is totally different
yeah because star2 players play in tournaments with their own money? star2 tournaments need to create a good product for the viewers, because the price money comes from the viewers (->sponsors) and not from the players. and deals between players clearly harm the product 
i mean even in big poker tournaments you arent allowed to split up the whole prize money in a deal, but left a substantial amount to play out for the same reason
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On September 02 2011 04:50 StutteR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 04:48 mutantmagnet wrote:I'm proud and jealous of Fenix at the same time. I had a feeling the first major foreigner to be acquired would be a Terran and thank goodness its a team that needed to fill their holes in their racial line up. Fenix has posted way better results than any Terran not named MVP in that roster. Congrats to IM and Fenix on making a respectable partnership. On September 02 2011 00:50 Tchado wrote:On September 02 2011 00:10 Asymmetric wrote:On September 02 2011 00:00 julianto wrote:On September 01 2011 23:49 Dfgj wrote:We will operate a foreign expeditionary squad consisting of NesTea-Mvp-LosirA-Fenix. Welp, that's that guys. Go home, game over. O GOD THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF STARCRAFT WILL PURGE THE FOREIGN SCENE IN 2012. ![[image loading]](http://creationoutreach.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/fourhorsement1.jpg) IM getting off at the airport Great move by fenix though to have the opportunity to train with IM. AWESOME ! While the comparison is passable I won't consider any team to have the four horseman until they have monsters representing T, Z, P and R. So far only MVP is in a position to do that but none of them besides Don Raegu can be qualified as scary and dominate. Are you saying DRG>Nestea? I'm confused.
You don't have to be #1 in the world to be considered scary. Are any of the four horsemen greater than God?
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Congratulations to Fenix.
I remember the IM coach saying in an artosis interview that he was interested in signing foreigners finally came true!
and Good Riddance to TT1.
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On September 02 2011 04:26 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 03:38 Kieofire wrote:On September 02 2011 03:35 dgwow wrote:On September 02 2011 03:32 ptbl wrote:
TT1 and Fenix had an agreement to split their winnings from Gamegune 2010 50/50. Fenix came in first place, while TT1 came in second. I think Fenix reneged on the agreement and decided not to split 50/50. If that's true, sucks for TT1, Fenix joins IM and keeps all the money =o Well by all means it is Fenix's money if he did win it, TT1 is just being greedy if this is true. lol im being greedy, being a two faced double crosser is normal to you? might whant to have your priorities checked bro pretournament we agreed (and i sent xeris a pm right after our agreement, in case something like this would have happened) that if we made it to the finals we were to share the winnings, after the finals(after i 1 base carriered him and he won) he told me that he didnt want to go through with the split, in my book the lowest thing someone can do is go back on his word after he made a promise.. hes a smart guy tho because he had both bases covered, if i had won the tournament he was gonna get a 50/50 split and if he ended up winning he wasnt gonna go throught with the split, if i cant trust someone then i dont want to have anything to do with that person and i let fnatic know my stance and told them to make a decision, a person that betrays someone elses trust and has no value for his word is the lowest form of a human being to me
I am seriously dissapointed with Fnatic. They knew about this stuff and did nothing about it. Even let the freedom to these douchebags to be pissed about fallthrough matchfixing? What about the viewers? You just 1gate carrier to lose on purpose because you just don't give a shit about our time? You suck. And I hope Fenix actually had no idea about the "money splitting" from the beginning. If yes, then that's extremely poor sportsmanship from him too. I'm glad Fnatic is falling apart and i sincerely hope this kind of immature stuff don't happen all the time under our noses.
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On September 02 2011 07:59 iMonAhorsE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 07:40 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 06:51 iMonAhorsE wrote:On September 02 2011 06:50 ReignFayth wrote:
when the money becomes fairly significant to 2 teammates and they are playing each other, agreeing to splitting money sounds like the most reasonable move imo, unless they can afford to gamble 5000$
god sc2 ist not poker dude yeah dude money coming from SC2 is totally different i mean even in big poker tournaments you arent allowed to split up the whole prize money in a deal, but left a substantial amount to play out for the same reason
LOL, it´s very common in online poker tournaments to make deals when you reach FT (because of f_ckedup price structure and variance). But online poker is no spectator sport so it can not be compared to SC2.
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