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At the gamescom fragster interviewed  GoOdy about the World Cyber Games, the gamescom and the XMG Series. GoOdy is of the opinion that Germany is one of the strongest nations in Starcraft 2.
Special thanks goes to Solitude for translating the interview!
-> To the interview (Be aware of XMG Series finals spoilers)
Some impressions:
Do you think a tournament like the WCG is better than filling the Slots with invites?
GoOdy: Okay, that's traditional for the WCG, and I think it's the fairest way to do it and prefer it over the possibility to invite someone – there are enough tournaments, where players can only get in through invites, and in the WCG everyone has the chance to prove themselves. In the long run, you'll often see the same names at the top, but sometimes there are upsets.
What do you think about the chances for Germany in the WCG?
GoOdy: I think, Germany is one of the strongest countries internationally – without South Korea – Sweden has many strong players and also Poland and the Ukraine, but at the WCG everything is possible.
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In comparison to Socke, you've not been travelling too much lately and accordingly you've not been seen too often. What's the reason for this? Did you take a break?
GoOdy: I would have like to travel to the Assembly LAN, but sadly, that wasn't possible. I'm trying to go to more offline events in the next time.
Which events?
GoOdy: I'm not sure, the DreamHack will be again in winter, so I'll surely be there. Then there will be the Northcon, that's not a big tournament, but that's not a reason to not go there. Beyond that, I'll have to see, for which tournament I can qualify myself, if I can qualify for the WCG, I'm going to Korea. Two weeks from now there's the qualifier for another tournament in Korea, so we'll see.
Read the full interview! (Be aware of XMG series finals spoilers)
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wow GoOdy sits next to Sase xD
nice to see a mr panzer interview <3
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Hate to say this but I wish Germany all the best but in a a years time, according to many top players including MaNa, Koreans will be even more dominant then they are now. Expect Korea to wipe the floor at WCG.
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Germany was alot stronger in BW then they are in SC2. Socke, TLO, and Goody a pretty good top 3, but its not like in BW where they also had mondi, infernal, koll and 452442 other very good players running around.
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On August 25 2011 01:53 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Germany was alot stronger in BW then they are in SC2. Socke, TLO, and Goody a pretty good top 3, but its not like in BW where they also had mondi, infernal, koll and 452442 other very good players running around.
TLO isn't top 3 oO. Someone like Hasu/Xlord/Darkforce fits more into top 3 I believe.
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I think the following players are the best players of their race in Germany:
Zerg: Darkforce
Protoss: Socke (over Hasuobs in my opinion, due to his strong showings in various tournaments)
Terran: GoOdy
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The jack black "Goody" of Starcraft 2 :D
Nerchi is from Poland or Ukraine right?
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On August 25 2011 02:08 Advocado wrote:
The jack black "Goody" of Starcraft 2 :D
Nerchi is from Poland or Ukraine right?
Nerchio is from Poland.
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On August 25 2011 01:53 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Germany was alot stronger in BW then they are in SC2. Socke, TLO, and Goody a pretty good top 3, but its not like in BW where they also had mondi, infernal, koll and 452442 other very good players running around.
Germany was stronger relatively in BW because the talent outside of Korea was so few and far between. Germany was one of only a few countries that could boast numerous top-tier talents. With the expansion of SC2 Germany may not seem to be as much of a powerhouse, but it would still be right up there in terms of highest skill level outside of Korea. You can find most of the best (non-Korean) players hailing from Europe. And the best countries in EU? GoOdy is right-on: Sweden, Germany, Ukraine, and Poland. I don't know how I'd rank them after Sweden at #1, but regardless they are all top countries in terms of talent and all probably bring more to the table than the US or Canada. Over the next year China will prove to be very strong I'm sure, but for now I wouldn't say its up there yet, just due to a lack reliable data.
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Awesome interview. Well, I guess anything featuring the panzer general is more or less automagically awesome.
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I'd agree that german players are pretty strong, i really do think that if goody trained in korea for 3-4 months, his skill level would VASTLY improve.
hell, i reckon socke would thrive in korea too, why not send him instead of SaSe 
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Being one of the strongest doesn't mean shit if the strongest country is so way ahead that you will lose against people that aren't even considered top notch in their country.
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The first link doesn't work because of "htmll". 
Great interview, GoOdy is awesome <3
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Goody going to Korea? He'll really have to refine his style if he wants to succeed there, but best of luck!
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"GoOdy: I'm not sure, the DreamHack will be again in winter, so I'll surely be there. Then there will be the Northcon, that's not a big tournament, but that's not a reason to not go there. Beyond that, I'll have to see, for which tournament I can qualify myself, if I can qualify for the WCG, I'm going to Korea. Two weeks from now there's the qualifier for another tournament in Korea, so we'll see."
Is he refering to the next code A qualifiers?
I'd LOVE to see Goody in code A just to see how Korean's handle his style/see if he can get faster/better macro/ect
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On August 25 2011 03:15 chipmonklord17 wrote:
"GoOdy: I'm not sure, the DreamHack will be again in winter, so I'll surely be there. Then there will be the Northcon, that's not a big tournament, but that's not a reason to not go there. Beyond that, I'll have to see, for which tournament I can qualify myself, if I can qualify for the WCG, I'm going to Korea. Two weeks from now there's the qualifier for another tournament in Korea, so we'll see."
Is he refering to the next code A qualifiers?
I'd LOVE to see Goody in code A just to see how Korean's handle his style/see if he can get faster/better macro/ect
No sorry, he is just talking about the IeSF qualifier :<
Would be cool to see him in Code A though 
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Germany has a very solid line-up, no doubt about it.
The only thing they lack is a "superstar" level of player, someone like Idra, Thorzain or Nerchio. A player everyone is afraid of going up against.
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On August 25 2011 03:22 Bagi wrote:
Germany has a very solid line-up, no doubt about it.
The only thing they lack is a "superstar" level of player, someone like Idra, Thorzain or Nerchio. A player everyone is afraid of going up against.
calling Nerchio a superstar is quite a stretch. Hasn't won a big tournament yet. I doubt he scares any1 at the WCG.
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Holy fuck GoOdy in Korea?
Imagine GoOdy with mechanics, he'd insta win every single tvt.
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Germany is one of the strongest countries internationally – without South Korea – indeed.
Anyway I like Goody's mind boggling style so I definitely want to see him get even better
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On August 25 2011 01:53 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Germany was alot stronger in BW then they are in SC2. Socke, TLO, and Goody a pretty good top 3, but its not like in BW where they also had mondi, infernal, koll and 452442 other very good players running around.
In Starcraft 2 there are very many good players running around as well. Look at names like  Delphi, DBS, etc. (the young germans)
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Nice interview
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I love goody's mech play, only foreigner I watch cause of that.
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no Goody, you are one of the strongest countries.
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On August 25 2011 03:37 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 03:22 Bagi wrote:
Germany has a very solid line-up, no doubt about it.
The only thing they lack is a "superstar" level of player, someone like Idra, Thorzain or Nerchio. A player everyone is afraid of going up against. calling Nerchio a superstar is quite a stretch. Hasn't won a big tournament yet. I doubt he scares any1 at the WCG.
I'm pretty sure Nerchio is stronger than Idra right now... But okay, if we want more well-known players he could be replaced with Naniwa or Huk.
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Germany is solid, but I will take Sweden over them anyday.
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Sure you can say Germany is good, but thats just saying every country is good. I mean Germany has socke, TLO, Goody, hasuobs, but even NA has idra, select, sheth, huk, and kiwikaki....
I won't lie though, Poland is looking strong, with Mana, Tarson, and Nerchio
Of course Sweden is the strongest foreign country, with the TSL3 finalists, naniwa and thorzain
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On August 25 2011 01:53 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Germany was alot stronger in BW then they are in SC2. Socke, TLO, and Goody a pretty good top 3, but its not like in BW where they also had mondi, infernal, koll and 452442 other very good players running around.
[pG]Fisheye.
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Imagine watching Goody play a bo3 TvT on GomTV, sooo long games.
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On August 25 2011 05:22 koolaid1990 wrote:
Sure you can say Germany is good, but thats just saying every country is good. I mean Germany has socke, TLO, Goody, hasuobs, but even NA has idra, select, sheth, huk, and kiwikaki....
I won't lie though, Poland is looking strong, with Mana, Tarson, and Nerchio
Of course Sweden is the strongest foreign country, with the TSL3 finalists, naniwa and thorzain
North America is a country now? What did I miss?
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On August 25 2011 05:26 DrCooper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 05:22 koolaid1990 wrote:
Sure you can say Germany is good, but thats just saying every country is good. I mean Germany has socke, TLO, Goody, hasuobs, but even NA has idra, select, sheth, huk, and kiwikaki....
I won't lie though, Poland is looking strong, with Mana, Tarson, and Nerchio
Of course Sweden is the strongest foreign country, with the TSL3 finalists, naniwa and thorzain North America is a country now? What did I miss?
Dude, Canadians and Americans are pretty much the same except for Quebec.
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Fisheye, RTS, Mondi...good times lol.
Germany is doing really well, especially considering that there are exactly two players who more or less play full time (TLO and Darkforce, DF being a student but stating he doesn't really have time to study that much while training). Imagine Hasuobs, Goody, Darkforce and Socke playing full time and getting some pro house or korean practice...me gusta.
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On August 25 2011 03:39 Gamegene wrote:
Holy fuck GoOdy in Korea?
Imagine GoOdy with mechanics, he'd insta win every single tvt.
haha this!
i doubt he's gonna stay long enough to improve his mechanics though.
also he said:
Germany is one of the strongest countries internationally – without South Korea –
so no reason to discuss if he's wrong because a 2-3 countries might be on the same level or slightly better
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On August 25 2011 05:27 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 05:26 DrCooper wrote:On August 25 2011 05:22 koolaid1990 wrote:
Sure you can say Germany is good, but thats just saying every country is good. I mean Germany has socke, TLO, Goody, hasuobs, but even NA has idra, select, sheth, huk, and kiwikaki....
I won't lie though, Poland is looking strong, with Mana, Tarson, and Nerchio
Of course Sweden is the strongest foreign country, with the TSL3 finalists, naniwa and thorzain North America is a country now? What did I miss? Dude, Canadians and Americans are pretty much the same except for Quebec.
Dont you lump me in with those crazy Canucks! The good half of Huk is the American half!
Don't worry, I'm joking.
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On August 25 2011 03:39 Gamegene wrote:
Holy fuck GoOdy in Korea?
Imagine GoOdy with mechanics, he'd insta win every single tvt.
And if you insta-win TvT you insta-win Code A haha
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On August 25 2011 03:39 Gamegene wrote:
Holy fuck GoOdy in Korea?
Imagine GoOdy with mechanics, he'd insta win every single tvt.
My exact thoughts. If Goody can learn some decent mechanics when he goes out to Korea, he'll be quite a scary player.
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Don't forget the Ukrainian Superstars Dimaga and WhiteRa... Kas is Russian isn't he?
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On August 25 2011 05:39 merlin101 wrote:
Don't forget the Ukrainian Superstars Dimaga and WhiteRa... Kas is Russian isn't he?
nope also from ukr
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On August 25 2011 05:27 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 05:26 DrCooper wrote:On August 25 2011 05:22 koolaid1990 wrote:
Sure you can say Germany is good, but thats just saying every country is good. I mean Germany has socke, TLO, Goody, hasuobs, but even NA has idra, select, sheth, huk, and kiwikaki....
I won't lie though, Poland is looking strong, with Mana, Tarson, and Nerchio
Of course Sweden is the strongest foreign country, with the TSL3 finalists, naniwa and thorzain North America is a country now? What did I miss? Dude, Canadians and Americans are pretty much the same except for Quebec.
wow and that coming from an us citizen^^, guess my imagination of canadian<-> us hate only resulted from the constant Huk is canadian american; only canadian bla bla duscission?
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It's funny that someone with a bronze leaguer strategies and apm say that.
If Germany does well, I'm sure won't be for his games...
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On August 25 2011 06:16 Perestroika wrote:
It's funny that someone with a bronze leaguer strategies and apm say that.
If Germany does well, I'm sure won't be for his games...
I wonder why he consistently beats some of Europe's best players if he's so bad. And he's definitely top 4 in Germany right now.
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On August 25 2011 03:39 Gamegene wrote:
Holy fuck GoOdy in Korea?
Imagine GoOdy with mechanics, he'd insta win every single tvt.
The poor koreans would be so confused
"BUT WHA NO WHA THE SCVS THEY ARE QUEUED UP WHY DOES HE WINAWNUWA NOOOOOOOOO...."
GoOdy so baller.
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On August 25 2011 06:39 JayJay_90 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 06:16 Perestroika wrote:
It's funny that someone with a bronze leaguer strategies and apm say that.
If Germany does well, I'm sure won't be for his games... I wonder why he consistently beats some of Europe's best player if he's so bad. And he's definitely top 4 in Germany right now.
That talk so good about how terran is amazing and balanced.
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On August 25 2011 06:16 Perestroika wrote:
It's funny that someone with a bronze leaguer strategies and apm say that.
If Germany does well, I'm sure won't be for his games...
Have you seen GoOdy's cup results? Sure, cups aren't the highest level of competition but he's 3-0'd lalush, and consistently takes #1 on the medal count @ the tournament roundup. He had to defeat at least 2 or 3 tip top europeans for each of those.
Oh yeah, he also beat Nestea. Long time ago, yes, make whatever excuses you want but he beat nestea.
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On August 25 2011 06:45 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 06:16 Perestroika wrote:
It's funny that someone with a bronze leaguer strategies and apm say that.
If Germany does well, I'm sure won't be for his games... Have you seen GoOdy's cup results? Sure, cups aren't the highest level of competition but he's 3-0'd lalush, and consistently takes #1 on the medal count @ the tournament roundup. He had to defeat at least 2 or 3 tip top europeans for each of those. Oh yeah, he also beat Nestea. Long time ago, yes, make whatever excuses you want but he beat nestea.
Just wanted to add a recent result from a LAN tournament: Goody took 2nd place in the XMG series at Gamescom, beating Kas and Dimaga.
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I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few.
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On August 25 2011 06:45 Perestroika wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 06:39 JayJay_90 wrote:On August 25 2011 06:16 Perestroika wrote:
It's funny that someone with a bronze leaguer strategies and apm say that.
If Germany does well, I'm sure won't be for his games... I wonder why he consistently beats some of Europe's best player if he's so bad. And he's definitely top 4 in Germany right now. That talk so good about how terran is amazing and balanced.
yes and elfi owns goody and nada with 70 apm, says alot about protoss and and how hard it is
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On August 25 2011 06:57 HowardRoark wrote:
I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few.
I was actually just thinking about those guys... Pretty amazing, a foreigner actually won an OSL (OMG 11 YEAR OLD SPOILERS SOZ), too bad his domination only lasted a couple months. I'd love to see Grrrr and Elky reappear in RTS. Testie (who should get featured as streamer btw) is busy with HoN I see
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On August 25 2011 06:57 HowardRoark wrote:
I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few.
Testie got caught up in HoN, Elky dabbles in SC2 but makes far more money in poker and Grrrr tried out for the first GSL but I have no idea what happened to him after that...
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goody the panzer general...germany is one of the strongest countries....
hmm...
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On August 25 2011 06:57 HowardRoark wrote:
I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few.
Elky was french, not canadian -_-
By french canadians you mean quebecer ? I didn't know Testie was quebecer, but I think Kiwikaki is ?
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On August 25 2011 03:39 Gamegene wrote:
Holy fuck GoOdy in Korea?
Imagine GoOdy with mechanics, he'd insta win every single tvt.
years of bw didnt help his mechanics so i doubt korea would
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On August 25 2011 07:02 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 06:57 HowardRoark wrote:
I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few. I was actually just thinking about those guys... Pretty amazing, a foreigner actually won an OSL (OMG 11 YEAR OLD SPOILERS SOZ), too bad his domination only lasted a couple months. I'd love to see Grrrr and Elky reappear in RTS. Testie (who should get featured as streamer btw) is busy with HoN I see
Yeah in the early years of BW foreigners could compete with top koreans, unlike in SC2 :p
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On August 25 2011 01:57 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:53 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Germany was alot stronger in BW then they are in SC2. Socke, TLO, and Goody a pretty good top 3, but its not like in BW where they also had mondi, infernal, koll and 452442 other very good players running around. TLO isn't top 3 oO. Someone like Hasu/Xlord/Darkforce fits more into top 3 I believe.
Yeah, they have a good line-up, but man oh man. Were they ever strong in BW. They were one of those nations you would always put right up there for the longest time.
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On August 25 2011 07:10 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 07:02 marttorn wrote:On August 25 2011 06:57 HowardRoark wrote:
I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few. I was actually just thinking about those guys... Pretty amazing, a foreigner actually won an OSL (OMG 11 YEAR OLD SPOILERS SOZ), too bad his domination only lasted a couple months. I'd love to see Grrrr and Elky reappear in RTS. Testie (who should get featured as streamer btw) is busy with HoN I see Yeah in the early years of BW foreigners could compete with top koreans, unlike in SC2 :p
Elky wasn't French Canadian... lol
He's from France
All the XD's~ guys were pretty strong including players like Kiwi and Fire as well.
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On August 25 2011 07:08 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 06:57 HowardRoark wrote:
I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few. Elky was french, not canadian -_- By french canadians you mean quebecer ? I didn't know Testie was quebecer, but I think Kiwikaki is ?
French Canadian, a Canadian with french as mother tongue.
EDIT: Doesn't the name Loranger sound a bit French Canadian? Maybe he is a distant relative to the legendary Testie?
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Testie lives in Ontario. His name is Nick Parentesis.
I thought Chris' mom is French Canadian.
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On August 25 2011 07:08 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 06:57 HowardRoark wrote:
I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few. Elky was french, not canadian -_- By french canadians you mean quebecer ? I didn't know Testie was quebecer, but I think Kiwikaki is ?
Almost all Canadian Starcraft players are quebecers.. Hell, look at HuK's last name (might just be a coincidence but still funny
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On August 25 2011 07:18 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 07:08 Lylat wrote:On August 25 2011 06:57 HowardRoark wrote:
I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few. Elky was french, not canadian -_- By french canadians you mean quebecer ? I didn't know Testie was quebecer, but I think Kiwikaki is ? Almost all Canadian Starcraft players are quebecers.. Hell, look at HuK's last name (might just be a coincidence but still funny
This isn't true D:
Oh my God, so much misinformation.
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Goody has the thickest german accent I've ever heard.
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On August 25 2011 07:19 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 07:18 Euronyme wrote:On August 25 2011 07:08 Lylat wrote:On August 25 2011 06:57 HowardRoark wrote:
I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few. Elky was french, not canadian -_- By french canadians you mean quebecer ? I didn't know Testie was quebecer, but I think Kiwikaki is ? Almost all Canadian Starcraft players are quebecers.. Hell, look at HuK's last name (might just be a coincidence but still funny This isn't true D: Oh my God, so much misinformation.
Are you sure? Montreal was like a Western version of Seoul back in the golden BW days.
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With 6 of the top foreigners, Germany as a team is quite strong, and could give a decent run for the money to the teams of Sweden, Canada, USA, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Australia+UK. I would love if someone organizes such a team event with the best players per nation. Granted, it won't be as competitive as the individual cups, because of lack of such high individual incentive, but would be fun.
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On August 25 2011 07:14 HowardRoark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 07:08 Lylat wrote:On August 25 2011 06:57 HowardRoark wrote:
I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few. Elky was french, not canadian -_- By french canadians you mean quebecer ? I didn't know Testie was quebecer, but I think Kiwikaki is ? French Canadian, a Canadian with french as mother tongue. EDIT: Doesn't the name Loranger sound a bit French Canadian? Maybe he is a distant relative to the legendary Testie?
French, a French with french as mother tongue.
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On August 25 2011 07:24 figq wrote:
With 6 of the top foreigners, Germany as a team is quite strong, and could give a decent run for the money to the teams of Sweden, Canada, USA, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Australia+UK. I would love if someone organizes such a team event with the best players per nation. Granted, it won't be as competitive as the individual cups, because of lack of such high individual incentive, but would be fun.
I dream about something like a real "World Cup" in Starcraft 2. With an system like the GSTL has. This would be soooo coool!
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GoOdy to Korea, thankyouplease.
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hehe goody with 400 apm. would micro every single one of his units independently. But i love seeing only tanks and thors run over the map heh. would love to see the army values there . Damn i want to play mech now O.O
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I just wish WCG Canada didn't suck so we could send someone to WCG this year. I would love to see Canada represented along with all of these other great countries.
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On August 25 2011 07:23 HowardRoark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 07:19 StarStruck wrote:On August 25 2011 07:18 Euronyme wrote:On August 25 2011 07:08 Lylat wrote:On August 25 2011 06:57 HowardRoark wrote:
I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few. Elky was french, not canadian -_- By french canadians you mean quebecer ? I didn't know Testie was quebecer, but I think Kiwikaki is ? Almost all Canadian Starcraft players are quebecers.. Hell, look at HuK's last name (might just be a coincidence but still funny This isn't true D: Oh my God, so much misinformation. Are you sure? Montreal was like a Western version of Seoul back in the golden BW days.
I'm certain. Canada had a ton of talent. Sure, the XD's~ boys originated from Quebec, but there were many other notable names who rose to the top as well. If you want to talk about the golden days you should never leave out a guy like Smuft who hailed from B.C. for example.
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great interview, thanks for posting and thanks to solitude for translating!
GoOdy, wise words!
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On August 25 2011 02:51 decaf wrote:
Being one of the strongest doesn't mean shit if the strongest country is so way ahead that you will lose against people that aren't even considered top notch in their country.
this made me laugh, and unfortunately is true. Not as much of a disparity as it was in BW, but the fact that Koreans win almost every single tournament they participate in means a lot. Especially considering it's WCG, Koreans will put everything on the line for their national pride lol
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On August 25 2011 05:27 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 05:26 DrCooper wrote:On August 25 2011 05:22 koolaid1990 wrote:
Sure you can say Germany is good, but thats just saying every country is good. I mean Germany has socke, TLO, Goody, hasuobs, but even NA has idra, select, sheth, huk, and kiwikaki....
I won't lie though, Poland is looking strong, with Mana, Tarson, and Nerchio
Of course Sweden is the strongest foreign country, with the TSL3 finalists, naniwa and thorzain North America is a country now? What did I miss? Dude, Canadians and Americans are pretty much the same except for Quebec.
Except for the metric system and universal health care you mean.
Sry, had to do it :-P
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Germany does have a strong lineup it looks like, but I don't know if it'll stand a chance against Ukraine/Sweden.
Kinda off-topic: m0s1n0, your thread titles remind me of the amarillo(I think?) guy that posted the two Korean articles with title quotes of :"Nada is an outstanding Progamer" and "Flash would do well in SC2" hehehe
thats in a good way though :D
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On August 25 2011 03:22 Bagi wrote:
Germany has a very solid line-up, no doubt about it.
The only thing they lack is a "superstar" level of player, someone like Idra, Thorzain or Nerchio. A player everyone is afraid of going up against.
well this is crazy what you say
Sure Nerchio is good but closed on results he isnt as good as Socke so i would always say Socke is the way better gamer then Nerchio.
Also germany have TLO if he isnt a superstar (who cares his results) who then ? no one! have mor watcher on his stream then TLO
Hasuobs and Socke by far the best german players, darkforce plays so much and after seeing him in NASL destroy alive i think we can expect alot of him (wcg germany place 1 by two times 3-2 3-2 socke in the finals where he had to win 2 bo3 says everything)
and goody well goody man !
but in case of superstar jaeh there is no one cause goody hasu socke darkforce tlo are just on the same fuckn level and in other countrys everone of them would be "the" star.
same in poland with tarson moon nerchio etc
@figq: uk ? australia ? rly ?
ps: i love how americans, to be able to compare with poland ukraine germany sweden and co declear themselves als NORTH AMERICA and took the canadians for themself too xDD
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On August 25 2011 19:49 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 03:22 Bagi wrote:
Germany has a very solid line-up, no doubt about it.
The only thing they lack is a "superstar" level of player, someone like Idra, Thorzain or Nerchio. A player everyone is afraid of going up against. well this is crazy what you say Sure Nerchio is good but closed on results he isnt as good as Socke so i would always say Socke is the way better gamer then Nerchio. Also germany have TLO if he isnt a superstar (who cares his results) who then ? no one! have mor watcher on his stream then TLO Hasuobs and Socke by far the best german players, darkforce plays so much and after seeing him in NASL destroy alive i think we can expect alot of him (wcg germany place 1 by two times 3-2 3-2 socke in the finals where he had to win 2 bo3 says everything) and goody well goody man ! but in case of superstar jaeh there is no one cause goody hasu socke darkforce tlo are just on the same fuckn level and in other countrys everone of them would be "the" star. same in poland with tarson moon nerchio etc @figq: uk ? australia ? rly ? ps: i love how americans, to be able to compare with poland ukraine germany sweden and co declear themselves als NORTH AMERICA and took the canadians for themself too xDD
Moon? You mean MaNa?
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On August 25 2011 02:51 decaf wrote:
Being one of the strongest doesn't mean shit if the strongest country is so way ahead that you will lose against people that aren't even considered top notch in their country.
yeah, I know, the Austrians are jealous again^^
I think the top 3 German players are
1. Socke
2. Hasu
3. Darkforce
(Sorry TLO, but you have to deliver again)
But even in Europe I'd say they are behind Sweden and Ukraine and possibly Poland
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I don't think this is so surprising, Germany is a large country. It's a little more striking that less-populated countries like Sweden and Canada have produced so many good players, and some other countries don't seem to do that well.
I mean, I can't name a UK player besides DeMuslim, or Russians besides Kas and BratOk. (Or any Chinese players besides Loner, but I feel like that's just because they have a separate community).
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On August 25 2011 19:56 CutthroatCollapse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:51 decaf wrote:
Being one of the strongest doesn't mean shit if the strongest country is so way ahead that you will lose against people that aren't even considered top notch in their country. yeah, I know, the Austrians are jealous again^^
You realise he was talking about South Korea and not about AUS, don't you ?
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lol, yes I do realize that. but do you realize that he was somehow playing down the fact that Germany is a very stong country in SC2?
and I was obviously joking around a bit and alluding to Germans and Austrians always making fun of each other, as they are neighbours. Is that so hard to get?
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Ukraine, Sweden and Germany have been the traditional European powerhouses, so he's right there.
France and Poland have started to look like they could join that top tier, but these countries are the strongest in Europe, imo.
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On August 25 2011 19:49 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 03:22 Bagi wrote:
Germany has a very solid line-up, no doubt about it.
The only thing they lack is a "superstar" level of player, someone like Idra, Thorzain or Nerchio. A player everyone is afraid of going up against. well this is crazy what you say Sure Nerchio is good but closed on results he isnt as good as Socke so i would always say Socke is the way better gamer then Nerchio. Also germany have TLO if he isnt a superstar (who cares his results) who then ? no one! have mor watcher on his stream then TLO Hasuobs and Socke by far the best german players, darkforce plays so much and after seeing him in NASL destroy alive i think we can expect alot of him (wcg germany place 1 by two times 3-2 3-2 socke in the finals where he had to win 2 bo3 says everything) and goody well goody man ! but in case of superstar jaeh there is no one cause goody hasu socke darkforce tlo are just on the same fuckn level and in other countrys everone of them would be "the" star. same in poland with tarson moon nerchio etc @figq: uk ? australia ? rly ? ps: i love how americans, to be able to compare with poland ukraine germany sweden and co declear themselves als NORTH AMERICA and took the canadians for themself too xDD
He meant superstar calibre in terms of skill, and I agree with him there.
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I seriously think sweden is stronger than germany.. who else do they really have?
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On August 25 2011 20:30 firehand101 wrote:
I seriously think sweden is stronger than germany.. who else do they really have?
Yeah, you're right, and I think noone said Germany was stronger than Sweden. The Swedes have always been the gods of e sports (in Europe, at least): Go Heaton, Potti and Fisker!
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On August 25 2011 20:30 firehand101 wrote:
I seriously think sweden is stronger than germany.. who else do they really have?
So.... ?
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I really like goody cuz he has his own style I think hes the only pro gamer who has a style so different to the 'main' style of his race.
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On August 25 2011 07:06 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 06:57 HowardRoark wrote:
I wonder where the French Canadians are in WoL? They were the best foreigners in BW IMHO. Maybe they're in secret training camp somewhere in the Quebec area soon to spring forth.
The legendary Testie, Grrr, Elky to name a few. Testie got caught up in HoN, Elky dabbles in SC2 but makes far more money in poker and Grrrr tried out for the first GSL but I have no idea what happened to him after that...
Earlier this year Teste wanted to become a SC2 pro (dunno if he still wants to), but he started streaming HoN all the time and just playing like 5 games of sc2 every day. After some weeks he managed to get about 1500 viewers consistently, which means a pretty big ad revenue. From what I got out of his words, he'd rather play HoN with alot of supporting viewers than being 'decent but not good' at Sc2 for some months, which would mean no viewers and no ad revenue. I mean, he is still top masters level easily.
If I recall correctly Elky's made more than about $10.000.000 in poker tournaments, let alone all the bucks he gets from just playing poker online. He would never go back to starcraft with a salary of what? 100k a year, let it be 200k? Thats what he makes in a month, I'd guess.
And I found some articles on Grrr... joining oGs team house, but nothing more about his way after failing out of GSL 1.
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ElkY has enough money. He really enjoys the lifestyle. Not only that, but you want to keep your sponsors happy hence he will continue to do so.
Grrrr... is continuing to play poker.
Testie will eventually make the switch. It's just a matter of time. Nick is a lot like Mondi. He's a natural talent when it comes to RTS games. Once he dives in he will make a splash.
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On August 25 2011 21:23 StarStruck wrote:
ElkY has enough money. He really enjoys the lifestyle. Not only that, but you want to keep your sponsors happy hence he will continue to do so.
Grrrr... is continuing to play poker.
Testie will eventually make the switch. It's just a matter of time. Nick is a lot like Mondi. He's a natural talent when it comes to RTS games. Once he dives in he will make a splash.
But even you see Testie having a big talent is he playing anything anymore? Did not here something of him in the last months... 
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Sure German players are good, but we're getting to that phase, where even despite SC2 being far simpler and easier to play than SC1, the Korean players are getting to get better and better and widening the gap.
Let's not forget also that the talented Korean SC players are far more likely to go to BW (which if you forget, is pretty much a national sport in South Korea) than to SC2. The significance of that is the "cream of the crop" in Korea typically play BW, not SC2. As if Flash doesn't make it seem easy enough playing against other Koreans, imagine an SC2 version of Flash who is highly involved in non-Korean tournaments. The carnage would be insane. I can't see such a player being knocked out of a tournament largely comprising foreigners unless he was having the worst of luck.
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Germany is also disrespectful to any player that isn't a German apparently.
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On August 26 2011 08:36 Hall0wed wrote:
Germany is also disrespectful to any player that isn't a German apparently.
ehm. can you please explain why you assume this? i never heard of this before and i think this is just a fail assumption by you.
though: why are we talking about countrys? this is about goody. lets give him our respect!
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On August 26 2011 08:16 m0s1n0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 21:23 StarStruck wrote:
ElkY has enough money. He really enjoys the lifestyle. Not only that, but you want to keep your sponsors happy hence he will continue to do so.
Grrrr... is continuing to play poker.
Testie will eventually make the switch. It's just a matter of time. Nick is a lot like Mondi. He's a natural talent when it comes to RTS games. Once he dives in he will make a splash. But even you see Testie having a big talent is he playing anything anymore? Did not here something of him in the last months...
If you mean the Canadian one, he's playing HoN.
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On August 26 2011 08:36 Hall0wed wrote:
Germany is also disrespectful to any player that isn't a German apparently.
Not sure if serious...
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yup, goody is a great guy and hes shown hes capable of taking some games vs tough opponents
wouldn't bet on him in bo7's against top notch players though
but regarding the inofficial ranking of countries i'd say germany is probably a bit below sweden and on the same level as france, ukraine and poland
but you really got to consider that germany doesnt really have those full time pro gamers, the majority is occupied by either studying or working.
the only player i know of being in a teamhouse and practicing fulltime right now is TLO, not completely sure though, so feel free to correct me
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On August 26 2011 08:36 Hall0wed wrote:
Germany is also disrespectful to any player that isn't a German apparently.
We actually all live by the beliefs of Hitler and hate everyone outside of Germany.
On August 26 2011 08:51 pushthebutton wrote:
yup, goody is a great guy and hes shown hes capable of taking some games vs tough opponents
wouldn't bet on him in bo7's against top notch players though
but regarding the inofficial ranking of countries i'd say germany is probably a bit below sweden and on the same level as france, ukraine and poland
but you really got to consider that germany doesnt really have those full time pro gamers, the majority is occupied by either studying or working.
the only player i know of being in a teamhouse and practicing fulltime right now is TLO, not completely sure though, so feel free to correct me
That's the biggest problems I see with the german players too, they're definately good and top players outside of korea, but I fear they might fall behin over time because most of the are busy with other stuff.
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GoOdy, I don't want to sound mean, but the last time we hung out you were so much thinner What happened? But I also have to remember this was in 2007, I packed a lot of weight since then as well ~_~, but good to see that you still have the hair! <3 I cut mine Good luck with every tourny though dude, I loved your play in TSL I really don't watch SC anymore or even keep up with it, but still glad to see you around man.
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Goody is correct in that both Germany and Sweden are stacked... I do think the U.S and Canada are almost as good or as good as both of those countries though. I expect the Koreans to dominate like they always have.
I also hope that France does well because ToD is awesome
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Why is everyone mentioning France?? France has only 1 player (ToD) who can compete in the world scene... and he is not even top notch...
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On August 26 2011 08:55 Gaspadin wrote:
Why is everyone mentioning France?? France has only 1 player (ToD) who can compete in the world scene... and he is not even top notch...
And Stephano imho
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On August 26 2011 08:55 Gaspadin wrote:
Why is everyone mentioning France?? France has only 1 player (ToD) who can compete in the world scene... and he is not even top notch...
ever heard of stephano?
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On August 26 2011 08:55 Gaspadin wrote:
Why is everyone mentioning France?? France has only 1 player (ToD) who can compete in the world scene... and he is not even top notch...
you're forgetting adelscott (very innovative and solid), Moman and stephano, who is imo probably frances best player right now
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I'm pretty sure that China's going to do very well at WCG.
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On August 26 2011 09:01 pushthebutton wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 08:55 Gaspadin wrote:
Why is everyone mentioning France?? France has only 1 player (ToD) who can compete in the world scene... and he is not even top notch... you're forgetting adelscott (very innovative and solid), Moman and stephano, who is imo probably frances best player right now
Sorry, totally forgot this guys
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On August 25 2011 07:24 figq wrote:
With 6 of the top foreigners, Germany as a team is quite strong, and could give a decent run for the money to the teams of Sweden, Canada, USA, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Australia+UK. I would love if someone organizes such a team event with the best players per nation. Granted, it won't be as competitive as the individual cups, because of lack of such high individual incentive, but would be fun.
there was already a nationwar with germany,russia,poland and the ukraine which germany won.
but the "problem" in germany might be the thing that so many players dont play fulltime.they have either a job or going to college.
koll is not interessted,mondi doesnt spend much time in sc2 as well and the rest....actually the same.
to compare a whole country we should compare the top 10 or even top 15 from each country because a top 3 doesnt represent a country imo so the best is sweden and then germany.
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On August 26 2011 09:01 pushthebutton wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 08:55 Gaspadin wrote:
Why is everyone mentioning France?? France has only 1 player (ToD) who can compete in the world scene... and he is not even top notch... you're forgetting adelscott (very innovative and solid), Moman and stephano, who is imo probably frances best player right now
SarenS is French also, isn't he?
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its the only example i can think of, tbh
only 3 noteable foreigners, kas, tarson and beastyqt, and they did really well.
no swedish players.
nice to see you're happy, but dont fly to high;-)
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On August 25 2011 06:16 Perestroika wrote:
It's funny that someone with a bronze leaguer strategies and apm say that.
If Germany does well, I'm sure won't be for his games...
wanna get a list of players goody defeated in the last month?
strelok,white-ra,hasuobs,darkforce,mana,dimaga,beastyqt.etc.
and he has won a bunch of onlinecups in the last 2,3 weeks as well.
goody is extremely underrated because hes a "funny"character because of his playstyle unfortunately
furthermore hes top 10 GM right now.
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On August 25 2011 05:45 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 05:27 Chocolate wrote:On August 25 2011 05:26 DrCooper wrote:On August 25 2011 05:22 koolaid1990 wrote:
Sure you can say Germany is good, but thats just saying every country is good. I mean Germany has socke, TLO, Goody, hasuobs, but even NA has idra, select, sheth, huk, and kiwikaki....
I won't lie though, Poland is looking strong, with Mana, Tarson, and Nerchio
Of course Sweden is the strongest foreign country, with the TSL3 finalists, naniwa and thorzain North America is a country now? What did I miss? Dude, Canadians and Americans are pretty much the same except for Quebec. wow and that coming from an us citizen^^, guess my imagination of canadian<-> us hate only resulted from the constant Huk is canadian american; only canadian bla bla duscission?
Honestly, I would like to think most Canadian vs US hate is in jest. Likely stemming from the fact that citizens of both countries are exceptionally similar (with the exception of quebec as noted). I honestly feel that there is no nationality as similar to a US citizen as a Canadian and vice versa. Hope that doesn't offend anyone.
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On August 26 2011 09:37 cari-kira wrote:its the only example i can think of, tbh only 3 noteable foreigners, kas, tarson and beastyqt, and they did really well. no swedish players. nice to see you're happy, but dont fly to high;-)
Just joking
Don´t take it serious. Just found it somehow interesting for the discusion going on here all the time.
I am making the prize money overviews every month for fragster so i know which countries are the stronges most times.
I would say it´s overall like this (ONLY PRIZE MONEY):
1. South Korea
2. Sweden
3. Germany
4. France
The things splited in months:
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1. South Korea
2. Sweden
after it is tight ...
France : Stephano, Adelscott, ToD, SarenS, MoMaN, AureS, (cArn)
Poland : MaNa, Tarson, Nerchio, DieStar
Germany : HasuObs, Socke, Goody, TLO, Darkforce
Ukraine : Strelock, DIMAGA, WhiteRa, Kas, Bly, HappyZerg
the problem for the germany it's that she haven't players like MaNa, DIMAGA or Stephano.
for me :
- 3 : Ukraine
- 4 : France
- 5 : Germany = Poland
maybe the Canada before these countries but it is difficult to assess their level.
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On August 26 2011 10:50 LogiiK wrote:
1. South Korea
2. Sweden
after it is tight ...
France : Stephano, Adelscott, ToD, SarenS, MoMaN, AureS, (cArn)
Poland : MaNa, Tarson, Nerchio, DieStar
Germany : HasuObs, Socke, Goody, TLO, Darkforce
Ukraine : Strelock, DIMAGA, WhiteRa, Kas, Bly, HappyZerg
the problem for the germany it's that she haven't players like MaNa, DIMAGA or Stephano.
for me :
- 3 : Ukraine
- 4 : France
- 5 : Germany = Poland
maybe the Canada before these countries but it is difficult to assess their level.
I don´t see any country from america before the euorpean powerhouse (Sweden/Ukraine/Poalnd/France/Germany)...
I am not really sure if Ukraine and/or France are in front of Germany, but with players like White-Ra/Strelok an Stephano/Adelscott/ToD it could be.
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Well, apart from the powerhouse swedes in Korea, I'd say the rest of europe is about the same level.
Just take a look at the tournament roundup threads, there are months where Germany has posted better results, then there are months were France posted better results, and the same goes to Poland and Ukraine. But there is no nation who is dominating each and every one of those tournament roundups. So I think Goody is right to call Germany one of the strongest countries.
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On August 26 2011 18:06 m0s1n0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 10:50 LogiiK wrote:
1. South Korea
2. Sweden
after it is tight ...
France : Stephano, Adelscott, ToD, SarenS, MoMaN, AureS, (cArn)
Poland : MaNa, Tarson, Nerchio, DieStar
Germany : HasuObs, Socke, Goody, TLO, Darkforce
Ukraine : Strelock, DIMAGA, WhiteRa, Kas, Bly, HappyZerg
the problem for the germany it's that she haven't players like MaNa, DIMAGA or Stephano.
for me :
- 3 : Ukraine
- 4 : France
- 5 : Germany = Poland
maybe the Canada before these countries but it is difficult to assess their level.
I don´t see any country from america before the euorpean powerhouse (Sweden/Ukraine/Poalnd/France/Germany)... I am not really sure if Ukraine and/or France are in front of Germany, but with players like White-Ra/Strelok an Stephano/Adelscott/ToD it could be.
Wtf ? Imo only Stehphano would be like top5 level in ger (from france).
1. South Korea
2-9. Ger,Pol,Ukr,Fr,Can,China,USA,Rus,Swe (no order)
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I can not find what are the players in Germany are higher than the French players Stephano is over but the rest is the same level.
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On August 26 2011 18:37 Tigi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 18:06 m0s1n0 wrote:On August 26 2011 10:50 LogiiK wrote:
1. South Korea
2. Sweden
after it is tight ...
France : Stephano, Adelscott, ToD, SarenS, MoMaN, AureS, (cArn)
Poland : MaNa, Tarson, Nerchio, DieStar
Germany : HasuObs, Socke, Goody, TLO, Darkforce
Ukraine : Strelock, DIMAGA, WhiteRa, Kas, Bly, HappyZerg
the problem for the germany it's that she haven't players like MaNa, DIMAGA or Stephano.
for me :
- 3 : Ukraine
- 4 : France
- 5 : Germany = Poland
maybe the Canada before these countries but it is difficult to assess their level.
I don´t see any country from america before the euorpean powerhouse (Sweden/Ukraine/Poalnd/France/Germany)... I am not really sure if Ukraine and/or France are in front of Germany, but with players like White-Ra/Strelok an Stephano/Adelscott/ToD it could be. Wtf ? Imo only Stehphano would be like top5 level in ger (from france). 1. South Korea 2-9. Ger,Pol,Ukr,Fr,Can,China,USA,Rus,Swe (no order)
tbh, Stephano would be top1 in Ger
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On August 26 2011 21:47 hyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 18:37 Tigi wrote:On August 26 2011 18:06 m0s1n0 wrote:On August 26 2011 10:50 LogiiK wrote:
1. South Korea
2. Sweden
after it is tight ...
France : Stephano, Adelscott, ToD, SarenS, MoMaN, AureS, (cArn)
Poland : MaNa, Tarson, Nerchio, DieStar
Germany : HasuObs, Socke, Goody, TLO, Darkforce
Ukraine : Strelock, DIMAGA, WhiteRa, Kas, Bly, HappyZerg
the problem for the germany it's that she haven't players like MaNa, DIMAGA or Stephano.
for me :
- 3 : Ukraine
- 4 : France
- 5 : Germany = Poland
maybe the Canada before these countries but it is difficult to assess their level.
I don´t see any country from america before the euorpean powerhouse (Sweden/Ukraine/Poalnd/France/Germany)... I am not really sure if Ukraine and/or France are in front of Germany, but with players like White-Ra/Strelok an Stephano/Adelscott/ToD it could be. Wtf ? Imo only Stehphano would be like top5 level in ger (from france). 1. South Korea 2-9. Ger,Pol,Ukr,Fr,Can,China,USA,Rus,Swe (no order) tbh, Stephano would be top1 in Ger
Yea he proved in IEM how much better than Socke he is.
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lol
Stephano lost 2-1 against the winner and 2-1 against the third in this tournament and he beat 2-0 Sase, the groupe socke is much easier, Socke vs Puma? 3-0.
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Germany is overrated in this thread. There are some promising players in Germany, but all of them are not showing the same dedication like players from other countries. Regarding this fact the current performance of german players is quite impressive.
Nonetheless there is no reason to rank Germany higher than Sweden, US/Canada, Poland and Ukraine.
Germany is lacking a top notch player like the other aforementioned countries have in their lines (Naniwa, Huk, Nerchio, Dimaga/White-Ra).
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German SC2 scene is a lot like War3's instead of BW's where there is an even skill distribution amongst many gamers (but not outstanding ones in particular) unlike BW where Mondragon dominated the entire scene. Starcraft socialism I guess?
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On August 26 2011 23:31 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Germany is overrated in this thread. There are some promising players in Germany, but all of them are not showing the same dedication like players from other countries. Regarding this fact the current performance of german players is quite impressive.
Nonetheless there is no reason to rank Germany higher than Sweden, US/Canada, Poland and Ukraine.
Germany is lacking a top notch player like the other aforementioned countries have in their lines (Naniwa, Huk, Nerchio, Dimaga/White-Ra).
I completly agree with your opinion concerning Sweden, Poland, Canada and Ukraine, but i did not see any good result of an US-American player in the last couple of months?
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Close comes Belgium, so many pro gamers here! It's unbelievable!
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On August 26 2011 08:55 Gaspadin wrote:
Why is everyone mentioning France?? France has only 1 player (ToD) who can compete in the world scene... and he is not even top notch...
Stephano is one of the best foreign zergs.
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On August 26 2011 09:03 chenchen wrote:
I'm pretty sure that China's going to do very well at WCG.
I'm sure most people simply don't consider China, given that they don't compete with foreigners much in general. So where they are is kind of an enigma.
My own opinion is that in terms of depth, China is 2nd to Korea. What I mean is that I'd put money on them in any regular PL format(not KOF) Bo7 against any country but Korea. But in terms of top players, i.e. BoX of Xigua vs. Thorzain or Loner vs. Naniwa, I have absolutely no clue.
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