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On August 25 2011 06:00 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 01:41 Yaotzin wrote:On August 25 2011 01:35 Diks wrote:On August 24 2011 19:57 DreamOen wrote:
This maybe means the first (BIG) step to the mass transfer from BW. BoXeR, July, Nada and yellow switch to SC2 didn't cause the mass transfer and yet you think that TossGirl on her own will have bigger impact ? Can you please explain your reasoning behind this. Well BW is having its own troubles (MBC, teams disbanding etc) and Tossgirl switching is quite possibly related to that so uhmmm, she's kinda related to any incoming mass transfer? OK not really. It is quite possible there'll be a mass transfer soon tho. SC2 is tiny in Korea, you shouldn't expect too much.
I don't expect anything as I don't know that much about the situation there. However if there are simply fewer teams because some are disbanding, then those players have to go somewhere. Either retire, or change games - the obvious choice for the latter is SC2, small in SK or not.
Well we'll wait and see once GOM contract expires. I like GOM but I think there should be more than one major tournament in SK.
Agreed - or GOM making another tournament, or just leasing out rights to one or somesuch. The number of good players who can't get into Code A because they hit another really good player is crazy.
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On August 24 2011 18:17 figq wrote:
Well, strictly speaking, the TLPD BW records of both are:
MC 1-9 (10.00%)
Tossgirl 3-19 (13.64%)
So she got him, back then. However, when it comes to MC, people tend to forget that a player develops his skill over time, and he may have become generally better. (not claiming that he stands a chance vs the best BW players though)
No actually, including prelims and Dream League games, MC in BW was out at 43-42, good enough to be put on the A-Team, where he started 1-9, and wasn't really given time to shine because he simply switched to SC2. Tossgirl however, has played many games, and was only on the STX A-Team because he was a girl. She was 66-147 overall, but she was still placed on the A-Team to go 3-19. That's my point.
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On August 24 2011 06:21 CeriseCherries wrote:mmm... IdrA can try and make her cry again 
Would be funny as hell... and... Is She playing zerg? omg...
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On August 25 2011 02:02 Brainling wrote:
Some of you seem downright threatened by the fact that a girl might be good at StarCraft. I think a majority of the posters here are pretty supportive, and actually want to see females at the top level, but some of you are so overtly threatened it's kind of funny...in that sad sort of way.
Who are you talking about? I just skimmed the entire thread and I didn't notice a single post that suggests that someone is "so overtly threatened it's kind of funny in that sad sort of way." Unless you think that noting how Tossgirl performs poorly means that someone is threatened.
I don't expect Tossgirl to do well. From what I gather, SC2 relies even more on strategy than SCBW (i.e. not as much on mechanics/APM), and gamesense is where Tossgirl fails horribly at the pro level. Due to the lower average talent level in SC2, however, she might be able to do a little better than she did in BW.
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On August 25 2011 06:22 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:02 Brainling wrote:
Some of you seem downright threatened by the fact that a girl might be good at StarCraft. I think a majority of the posters here are pretty supportive, and actually want to see females at the top level, but some of you are so overtly threatened it's kind of funny...in that sad sort of way. Who are you talking about? I just skimmed the entire thread and I didn't notice a single post that suggests that someone is "so overtly threatened it's kind of funny in that sad sort of way." Unless you think that noting how Tossgirl performs poorly means that someone is threatened. I don't expect Tossgirl to do well. From what I gather, SC2 relies even more on strategy than SCBW (i.e. not as much on mechanics/APM), and gamesense is where Tossgirl fails horribly at the pro level. Due to the lower average talent level in SC2, however, she might be able to do a little better than she did in BW.
this is true. some people are hypothesizing here that she lacked mechanics. but it was actually the opposite. her mechanics was on par with top progamers. it was her gamesense/strategy that was her downfall.
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On August 25 2011 06:22 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 02:02 Brainling wrote:
Some of you seem downright threatened by the fact that a girl might be good at StarCraft. I think a majority of the posters here are pretty supportive, and actually want to see females at the top level, but some of you are so overtly threatened it's kind of funny...in that sad sort of way. Who are you talking about? I just skimmed the entire thread and I didn't notice a single post that suggests that someone is "so overtly threatened it's kind of funny in that sad sort of way." Unless you think that noting how Tossgirl performs poorly means that someone is threatened.
He might have been referring to legaton's post on the first page that said "But Tossgirl beating SC2 pros would be, i think,the nail of the coffin of SC2 prestige in Korea." Not sure if there's any other posts like that though.
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On August 25 2011 06:10 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 18:17 figq wrote:
Well, strictly speaking, the TLPD BW records of both are:
MC 1-9 (10.00%)
Tossgirl 3-19 (13.64%)
So she got him, back then. However, when it comes to MC, people tend to forget that a player develops his skill over time, and he may have become generally better. (not claiming that he stands a chance vs the best BW players though) No actually, including prelims and Dream League games, MC in BW was out at 43-42, good enough to be put on the A-Team, where he started 1-9, and wasn't really given time to shine because he simply switched to SC2. Tossgirl however, has played many games, and was only on the STX A-Team because he was a girl. She was 66-147 overall, but she was still placed on the A-Team to go 3-19. That's my point.
Dream league is a league only for people who aren't good enough for normal matches. Going .500 against people not good enough to play means that you are not good enough to play. Tossgirl and Iron were on about the same level as they were both nowhere good enough to play regularly.
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On August 24 2011 06:38 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Tossgirl is like 3-16 in broodwar. By contrast MC was 1-9 and mvp was 30-46, so we can see there is a great degree of variation and success in korean broodwar has not been a perfect predictor of success in korean sc2.
How is it possible that MC is only 1-9? Didn't he fluke his way into an OSL?
EDIT: No, wait. That was Tester. My mistake. Tester is 45-69, incidentally. And SangHo (Killer) is 43-63.
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She's most likely to join Startale since most of STX ex-member are in it.
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On August 25 2011 08:34 GentleDrill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 06:22 matjlav wrote:On August 25 2011 02:02 Brainling wrote:
Some of you seem downright threatened by the fact that a girl might be good at StarCraft. I think a majority of the posters here are pretty supportive, and actually want to see females at the top level, but some of you are so overtly threatened it's kind of funny...in that sad sort of way. Who are you talking about? I just skimmed the entire thread and I didn't notice a single post that suggests that someone is "so overtly threatened it's kind of funny in that sad sort of way." Unless you think that noting how Tossgirl performs poorly means that someone is threatened. He might have been referring to legaton's post on the first page that said "But Tossgirl beating SC2 pros would be, i think,the nail of the coffin of SC2 prestige in Korea." Not sure if there's any other posts like that though.
In that case, Brainling was simply misunderstanding. It wouldn't be the nail in the coffin because Tossgirl's a girl; it would be the nail in the coffin because Tossgirl is bad...
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On August 24 2011 06:33 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 06:27 Goldfish wrote:
TossGirl has a lot of potential in SC2. I'm really interested!
Would she be one of the higher level BW players playing SC2? Well she isn't top tier but she is still good right? Not even close, I mean she was good, but I don´t think she was above even some of the B teamers that now are doing quite well in SC2. MVP is still the highest ranking BW player who switched over
Nestea... He's up there too. And she was better than the B team... wtf?
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Well Tossgirl was never B team because STX didn't have a B team. Though she was essentially B team as she was benched a lot and when she came out she never won sadly.
Tossgirl lacking strategic thinking not mechanics? I guess I can see that in her series vs debut Effort. She just went a SK terran (or just pure MnM?) every game and won the first game, but then Effort just used massive amounts of lurkers to win the next two games. It's been a long time since I've seen that series but that's how I remember it.
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I HOPE SHE MAKES IDRA CRY
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that is not tossgirl. just someone using her name
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On August 25 2011 06:10 mikyaJ wrote:
Tossgirl however, has played many games, and was only on the STX A-Team because he was a girl. She was 66-147 overall, but she was still placed on the A-Team to go 3-19. That's my point.
so tossgirl is a man ! :O
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Man I wish I got a girl who could play Starcraft 2. :\
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I hope tossgirl changes her name for sc2.
She still doesn't even play toss.
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On August 25 2011 16:11 LazyScout wrote:
I hope tossgirl changes her name for sc2.
She still doesn't even play toss.
the potential for innuendo is too great!
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EPT
