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Fnatic and Fenix part ways - Page 11

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Fenix
Profile Joined April 2007
Peru112 Posts
August 23 2011 23:24 GMT
#201
well guys i hope soon everyone know the true 8)
anyway this week F.unted play vs Prime We need to win @@ 8D
IMFenix http://www.facebook.com/Fenix.sc2
lazyfeet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States468 Posts
August 23 2011 23:28 GMT
#202
On August 24 2011 08:05 DontGiveUp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 05:36 thedz wrote:
Should probably include this qoute from ESFI (http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/fenix-departs-fnatic):

Sam "zr0" Mathews, the Founder and Managing Director of Fnatic, also issued a statement:

It was great to have Fenix in the squad, and he has been a great player for us. Unfortunately we need to be striving towards having the best players in the world to match our ambitions for our team. Fenix lately hasnt been able to prove he has what it takes. So its time to part ways to make room for some new talent to enter our team. We will be picking up some players in the near future so stay tuned..


So sounds like it might not have been Fenix's choice in the end :/


I found this announcement disrespectful. It would be fair to say he wasn`t a good cost/benefit player (which is hard to imagine) or something along this lines, but not that they are parting ways with him because he doesn`t help in the "strive towards the best". Fenix was Fnatics second best player (after Rain, considering Sen is gone) and the one with most potential of growth.

You don`t kick someone out of a team by saying he sucks just when he does well at the GSTL and has long term plans to improve in the game by living in Korea.

How is it disrespectful. Both parties part ways because they can't agree to a new contract.
LUCK is What Happens When Preparation Meets Opportunity.......
theDragoon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada307 Posts
August 23 2011 23:30 GMT
#203
Is Rain the only one left in Fnatic? Sen, Fenix, Gretorp all gone lol.
Dangx
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3 Posts
August 23 2011 23:31 GMT
#204
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You heard it here first folks, fenix to sell flashlights.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
August 23 2011 23:31 GMT
#205
On August 24 2011 08:24 Fenix wrote:
well guys i hope soon everyone know the true 8)
anyway this week F.unted play vs Prime We need to win @@ 8D

Good luck in the upcoming match!

Try to repeat your excellent performance from last week and don't let the negotiations for your new team get in the way of your training. :D
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
August 23 2011 23:32 GMT
#206
On August 24 2011 08:30 theDragoon wrote:
Is Rain the only one left in Fnatic? Sen, Fenix, Gretorp all gone lol.

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Rain
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Solinos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 23:33:50
August 23 2011 23:32 GMT
#207
On August 24 2011 08:28 lazyfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 08:05 DontGiveUp wrote:
On August 24 2011 05:36 thedz wrote:
Should probably include this qoute from ESFI (http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/fenix-departs-fnatic):

Sam "zr0" Mathews, the Founder and Managing Director of Fnatic, also issued a statement:

It was great to have Fenix in the squad, and he has been a great player for us. Unfortunately we need to be striving towards having the best players in the world to match our ambitions for our team. Fenix lately hasnt been able to prove he has what it takes. So its time to part ways to make room for some new talent to enter our team. We will be picking up some players in the near future so stay tuned..


So sounds like it might not have been Fenix's choice in the end :/


I found this announcement disrespectful. It would be fair to say he wasn`t a good cost/benefit player (which is hard to imagine) or something along this lines, but not that they are parting ways with him because he doesn`t help in the "strive towards the best". Fenix was Fnatics second best player (after Rain, considering Sen is gone) and the one with most potential of growth.

You don`t kick someone out of a team by saying he sucks just when he does well at the GSTL and has long term plans to improve in the game by living in Korea.

How is it disrespectful. Both parties part ways because they can't agree to a new contract.


The part where they stop just short of calling him a bad player who isn't improving, delivering results, or living up to expectations is sort of disrespectful and/or flat-out incorrect.
ranjutan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States636 Posts
August 23 2011 23:54 GMT
#208
On August 24 2011 08:28 lazyfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 08:05 DontGiveUp wrote:
On August 24 2011 05:36 thedz wrote:
Should probably include this qoute from ESFI (http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/fenix-departs-fnatic):

Sam "zr0" Mathews, the Founder and Managing Director of Fnatic, also issued a statement:

It was great to have Fenix in the squad, and he has been a great player for us. Unfortunately we need to be striving towards having the best players in the world to match our ambitions for our team. Fenix lately hasnt been able to prove he has what it takes. So its time to part ways to make room for some new talent to enter our team. We will be picking up some players in the near future so stay tuned..


So sounds like it might not have been Fenix's choice in the end :/


I found this announcement disrespectful. It would be fair to say he wasn`t a good cost/benefit player (which is hard to imagine) or something along this lines, but not that they are parting ways with him because he doesn`t help in the "strive towards the best". Fenix was Fnatics second best player (after Rain, considering Sen is gone) and the one with most potential of growth.

You don`t kick someone out of a team by saying he sucks just when he does well at the GSTL and has long term plans to improve in the game by living in Korea.

How is it disrespectful. Both parties part ways because they can't agree to a new contract.


Suggesting that Fenix doesn't have what it takes when he's got more SC2 accomplishments and probably more skill than anyone else on the team except Rain isn't disrespectful?
Especially when another Fnatic manager has been posting in the thread saying the reason is a contract disagreement, not a lack of skill.
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Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
August 24 2011 00:07 GMT
#209
Well didnt see this coming wonder where he will be going now
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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
August 24 2011 00:08 GMT
#210
man. fnatic's sc2 division is getting shredded like hell. was so sad when sen left
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
August 24 2011 00:10 GMT
#211
On August 24 2011 09:08 Doraemon wrote:
man. fnatic's sc2 division is getting shredded like hell. was so sad when sen left

Its sad when Sen left. However I believe they will be picking up some really exclusive players soon.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
August 24 2011 02:03 GMT
#212
me thinks dignitas or mouz.
cscarfo1
Profile Joined March 2011
United States307 Posts
August 24 2011 02:09 GMT
#213
Its probably EG. They have so much money, and can send him to korea when the new house opens up for HuK, IdrA, and Puma
RIP oGs :( Bisu~ MC~Jaedong~Hero~Tyler~Flash~NaNi~DRG~MVP~Nestea~FXOz~and of course ForGG
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
August 24 2011 02:16 GMT
#214
On August 24 2011 08:54 ranjutan wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 24 2011 08:28 lazyfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 08:05 DontGiveUp wrote:
On August 24 2011 05:36 thedz wrote:
Should probably include this qoute from ESFI (http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/fenix-departs-fnatic):

Sam "zr0" Mathews, the Founder and Managing Director of Fnatic, also issued a statement:

It was great to have Fenix in the squad, and he has been a great player for us. Unfortunately we need to be striving towards having the best players in the world to match our ambitions for our team. Fenix lately hasnt been able to prove he has what it takes. So its time to part ways to make room for some new talent to enter our team. We will be picking up some players in the near future so stay tuned..


So sounds like it might not have been Fenix's choice in the end :/


I found this announcement disrespectful. It would be fair to say he wasn`t a good cost/benefit player (which is hard to imagine) or something along this lines, but not that they are parting ways with him because he doesn`t help in the "strive towards the best". Fenix was Fnatics second best player (after Rain, considering Sen is gone) and the one with most potential of growth.

You don`t kick someone out of a team by saying he sucks just when he does well at the GSTL and has long term plans to improve in the game by living in Korea.

How is it disrespectful. Both parties part ways because they can't agree to a new contract.


Suggesting that Fenix doesn't have what it takes when he's got more SC2 accomplishments and probably more skill than anyone else on the team except Rain isn't disrespectful?
Especially when another Fnatic manager has been posting in the thread saying the reason is a contract disagreement, not a lack of skill.


Exactly. Saying "we want the best and he doesn`t have what it takes", with their current lineup, is either hypocritical or implying that many more cuts are going to come. Just say it is a contract disagreement and move on, instead of bashing him like that. In that sense, I am glad that another managed posted afterwards in this thread clarifying what happened.

Hopefully Fnatic will get some much needed depth to their roster and Fenix find a happy new home.
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MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
August 24 2011 03:08 GMT
#215
I think the problem may have been that fenix wanted a said amount of money as a salary, and fnatic was not willing to pay fenix that amount (thus the lack of recent accomplishments comment), either way I am sure fenix will find another team soon, he is a great player.
kSmonster
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada9 Posts
August 24 2011 03:14 GMT
#216
liquid'fenix
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
August 24 2011 03:17 GMT
#217
Hmmm. I bet a korean team, or FXO picks him up.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9991 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 03:35:23
August 24 2011 03:34 GMT
#218
zzzzzzz cho gag posters
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smallerk
Profile Joined October 2010
897 Posts
August 24 2011 03:41 GMT
#219
This is how the annonuncement should be done, "we dont want fenix on the team anymore because he sucks, we have to make room for better players".

Stay classy fnatic.
Never Regret anything because at one time it was exactly what you wanted.
lulzury
Profile Joined February 2010
United States236 Posts
August 24 2011 03:51 GMT
#220
On August 24 2011 12:41 smallerk wrote:
This is how the annonuncement should be done, "we dont want fenix on the team anymore because he sucks, we have to make room for better players".

Stay classy fnatic.

They will regret their actions after Fenix joins a korean team and does some massive all-killing or pull a Jinro.
SEn hwaiting!!!
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