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On August 26 2011 04:51 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way. thank you
A string of 14 posts all feel that it is reasonable what they are doing. You pick the ONE poster that agrees with you, instead considering you have an unreasonable expectation that you are somehow special because you are featured.
I think most people are very happy with the selections.
Also, HwangSin rolfstomped the TLOpen once (or twice maybe?) and routinely dominates big players in ladder and online stuff. He's playing in IPL Quals and doing well too.
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On August 26 2011 04:58 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 04:51 desrow wrote:On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way. thank you A string of 14 posts all feel that it is reasonable what they are doing. You pick the ONE poster that agrees with you, instead considering you have an unreasonable expectation that you are somehow special because you are featured. I think most people are very happy with the selections. Also, HwangSin rolfstomped the TLOpen once (or twice maybe?) and routinely dominates big players in ladder and online stuff. He's playing in IPL Quals and doing well too.
I've never bashed any player or said I'm special because I'm featured or said I deserved a spot in the league.
I'm baffled/mad that there was no qualifier after the Korean fiasco to make up for it and I'm fighting the good fight.
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On August 26 2011 05:03 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 04:58 Sleight wrote:On August 26 2011 04:51 desrow wrote:On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way. thank you A string of 14 posts all feel that it is reasonable what they are doing. You pick the ONE poster that agrees with you, instead considering you have an unreasonable expectation that you are somehow special because you are featured. I think most people are very happy with the selections. Also, HwangSin rolfstomped the TLOpen once (or twice maybe?) and routinely dominates big players in ladder and online stuff. He's playing in IPL Quals and doing well too. I've never bashed any player or said I'm special because I'm featured or said I deserved a spot in the league. I'm baffled/mad that there was no qualifier after the Korean fiasco to make up for it and I'm fighting the good fight. They would have had to organize a qualifier very quickly. It's not impossible, but it would have been hard. And a bunch of top players who could have qualified probably wouldn't have been able to make it. And then who gets in is still arbitrary. It's just arbitrary based on scheduling concerns instead of their invitations... Maybe a qualifier would have been better. You can certainly make that argument in a reasonable way. But it's not obvious. There's enough obviously stupid things being done all the time... focus on those. The borderline wrong-but-not-unreasonable cases really aren't worth making a huge controversy about.
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I don't think your evil HuK
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I already explained why we couldn't do another qualifier - but you continue to say bad things about the NASL for no reason T_T (these are real tears mang).
Hope you all like the players today!
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Oh man, I really hope Rain gets in. He's definitely the most deserving player who hasn't been announced yet. Do we know how many more slots are available?
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On August 26 2011 05:15 Cel.erity wrote: Oh man, I really hope Rain gets in. He's definitely the most deserving player who hasn't been announced yet. Do we know how many more slots are available?
20 players have been announced and there is 45 spot if I'm not mistaken, so maybe 15 more. Rain is in, he qualified via qualifier. (well I think so, maybe 90% sure)
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On August 26 2011 05:03 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 04:58 Sleight wrote:On August 26 2011 04:51 desrow wrote:On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way. thank you A string of 14 posts all feel that it is reasonable what they are doing. You pick the ONE poster that agrees with you, instead considering you have an unreasonable expectation that you are somehow special because you are featured. I think most people are very happy with the selections. Also, HwangSin rolfstomped the TLOpen once (or twice maybe?) and routinely dominates big players in ladder and online stuff. He's playing in IPL Quals and doing well too. I've never bashed any player or said I'm special because I'm featured or said I deserved a spot in the league. I'm baffled/mad that there was no qualifier after the Korean fiasco to make up for it and I'm fighting the good fight.
But to expect them to have qualifiers with the Koreans (who made up a large amount of the player pool) dropping out at such a late stage is unreasonable. An open qualifier would have been almost impossible to schedule with Assembly and IEM recently going on and players already committing to those. They have a responsibility to sponsors and other players to hold to the schedule that was originally slated. They most likely already have a date/location in the works for the finals which would require even more work to reschedule.
Also, it's not like they are ignoring qualifiers that already happened. You've already had a chance in TWO qualifiers to get into the league. Players who qualified/placed high are still getting their spots. The hard part is that so many koreans placed so high in the qualifiers that you'd have to go way back into the brackets to find enough non-koreans to fill all the spots. So instead they choose to fill some spots with higher profile players. I am perfectly fine with this and think they're doing a pretty good job to run damage control after the koreans bailed.
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Given some of the comments and my own curiosity I ran the numbers on 'known' players. Given the 20 that have been announced and all suspected returning/qualified players there are currently 6 spots left open. That assumes Rain, SeleCT and mOoNan will all be returning. There are also 6 Ro16 qualifier players who haven't been named yet/didn't make it to Ro8/aren't Korean. While I doubt all of them will make it in there is still a chance. I'd be very surprised if the majority of them were not invited. They are:
vVv. Time GoSu. Bubbles iGe. Linko
CocoA
KnowMe EG. DeMusliM
I'm expecting at least 3 of those 6 to be invites unless something came up and they couldn't accept. Of course we'll know for sure in 5 days but it's always fun to speculate.
Edit: Just found TLPD-ize
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On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Yes.
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: Inka because of ______? One game away from qualifiying.
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote:And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? Not randomly. Those from the qualifiers invited so far were one game away from qualifying (Nightend, Inka).
Other eligible players who were one game away from qualifiying:
Bubbles (in both qualifiers, that should earn him a spot) DeMuslim Time linko cocoa KnowMe
I anticipate Bubbles and DeMuslim to be chosen. I'd only use more players from that list if there are free spots available, although I'd regard most of the eliminated players from season 1 as stronger than these guys.
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them? NASL Season 1 results were ranked from #1 to #50. Tyler was near or on the top of the list of people who were eliminated (#37).
edit: *high fives Talkerst* great minds etc etc
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On August 26 2011 05:20 Yuber wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 05:03 desrow wrote:On August 26 2011 04:58 Sleight wrote:On August 26 2011 04:51 desrow wrote:On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way. A string of 14 posts all feel that it is reasonable what they are doing. You pick the ONE poster that agrees with you, instead considering you have an unreasonable expectation that you are somehow special because you are featured. I think most people are very happy with the selections. Also, HwangSin rolfstomped the TLOpen once (or twice maybe?) and routinely dominates big players in ladder and online stuff. He's playing in IPL Quals and doing well too. I've never bashed any player or said I'm special because I'm featured or said I deserved a spot in the league. I'm baffled/mad that there was no qualifier after the Korean fiasco to make up for it and I'm fighting the good fight. But to expect them to have qualifiers with the Koreans (who made up a large amount of the player pool) dropping out at such a late stage is unreasonable. An open qualifier would have been almost impossible to schedule with Assembly and IEM recently going on and players already committing to those. They have a responsibility to sponsors and other players to hold to the schedule that was originally slated. They most likely already have a date/location in the works for the finals which would require even more work to reschedule. Also, it's not like they are ignoring qualifiers that already happened. You've already had a chance in TWO qualifiers to get into the league. Players who qualified/placed high are still getting their spots. The hard part is that so many koreans placed so high in the qualifiers that you'd have to go way back into the brackets to find enough non-koreans to fill all the spots. So instead they choose to fill some spots with higher profile players. I am perfectly fine with this and think they're doing a pretty good job to run damage control after the koreans bailed.
The 2nd qualifier didn't mean anything in the end because koreans knocked out players and then bailed. That qualifier is bias and that's why I've been QQing for 10pages that there should have been another one. thank you
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On August 26 2011 05:14 Xeris wrote: I already explained why we couldn't do another qualifier - but you continue to say bad things about the NASL for no reason T_T (these are real tears mang).
Hope you all like the players today! I quite like the players you have replaced the koreans with. I am particularly interested to see Softball!
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where is artosis? they should accept him for comedy reasons.
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yesss dimaaaagaaaaaa!
I feel like running another qualifier would have been better, but I like these choices.
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On August 26 2011 05:40 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 05:20 Yuber wrote:On August 26 2011 05:03 desrow wrote:On August 26 2011 04:58 Sleight wrote:On August 26 2011 04:51 desrow wrote:On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way. A string of 14 posts all feel that it is reasonable what they are doing. You pick the ONE poster that agrees with you, instead considering you have an unreasonable expectation that you are somehow special because you are featured. I think most people are very happy with the selections. Also, HwangSin rolfstomped the TLOpen once (or twice maybe?) and routinely dominates big players in ladder and online stuff. He's playing in IPL Quals and doing well too. I've never bashed any player or said I'm special because I'm featured or said I deserved a spot in the league. I'm baffled/mad that there was no qualifier after the Korean fiasco to make up for it and I'm fighting the good fight. But to expect them to have qualifiers with the Koreans (who made up a large amount of the player pool) dropping out at such a late stage is unreasonable. An open qualifier would have been almost impossible to schedule with Assembly and IEM recently going on and players already committing to those. They have a responsibility to sponsors and other players to hold to the schedule that was originally slated. They most likely already have a date/location in the works for the finals which would require even more work to reschedule. Also, it's not like they are ignoring qualifiers that already happened. You've already had a chance in TWO qualifiers to get into the league. Players who qualified/placed high are still getting their spots. The hard part is that so many koreans placed so high in the qualifiers that you'd have to go way back into the brackets to find enough non-koreans to fill all the spots. So instead they choose to fill some spots with higher profile players. I am perfectly fine with this and think they're doing a pretty good job to run damage control after the koreans bailed. The 2nd qualifier didn't mean anything in the end because koreans knocked out players and then bailed. That qualifier is bias and that's why I've been QQing for 10pages that there should have been another one. thank you
You just don't get it. People agree that a qualifier is the easiest way to fill the spots, but you still fail to realize what a quickly ran qualifier would have entailed. In the middle of a pretty busy month with Assembly and IEM where players are traveling/training/competing, you want to spring a new qualifier on the players. How long do you give players to sign up for the qualifier? How long after that do you give them to start playing the matches? Your qualifier would have had a serious lacking of some of the best players that could have participated. Now THAT qualifier would also be bias because it would favor only those who could respond and schedule in a quick turnaround.
So given the choice between invites based on qualifier results/season 1 performances and a rushed qualifier, I believe that the invitations yield a better field. You jump on the bit fighting for players like Bubbles without having seen the full list of invites. I'm hoping that the full list of players will include at least most of the players listed above, but at least wait on the full list to see if these guys got in or not.
You're welcome.
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Updated OP. Is it OK Xeris?
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After whining for 10 pages, Xeris sent me a PM explaining why with dates of events. I wish those explanations would of been given in one of the OP's. I rest my case and will be looking forward to S3 qualifier.
And to xeris sorry about what I said that concerned you personally, I will still have my pop corn/pitch fork ready on monday, let's just hope it's not you =)
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On August 26 2011 09:04 desrow wrote: After whining for 10 pages, Xeris sent me a PM explaining why with dates of events. I wish those explanations would of been given in one of the OP's. I rest my case and will be looking forward to S3 qualifier.
And to xeris sorry about what I said that concerned you personally, I will still have my pop corn/pitch fork ready on monday, let's just hope it's not you =)
Now this is too suspicious, did you just ensure yourself a s3-spot in exchange of keeping your mouth shut? 
Did Naniwa/ThorZaIN reconsider? If not, please shoot down mine and thousands of other ppls wishful thoughts now already..
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Need to get DeMuslim invited!
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Looking forward to this!!! Can't wait ^_^
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