NASL has started announcing players that they will be adding to the league to replace the empty slots left both by those who did not have adequate results, and as a result of the loss of the majority of the Korean players.
HuK - Per success (New!) Jinro - Per success (New!) qxc - Per recent success (aka Jedi All Kill)(Saved!) LoWeLy - Qualified through open tourney (New!) NightEnD - Qualified (and beat Puma!) (New!)
SoftBall - Success in TeSL (New!) Sen - NASL Season 1 Qualified iNkA - 1 game away from qualifying, success & name recognition (New!) Fenix - NASL Season 1 Qualified KiWiKaKi - NASL Season 1 Qualified
Tt.White-Ra - Returning imba.Strelok - Returning mTw.DIMAGA - Assembly Summer - (New!) Liquid`Tyler - Legendary, next in line to be admitted based on results, and seeing as a ton of people are not returning... - (Saved!) mouz MaNa - Returning
hmm pretty good for me at least, i'm quite happy with this calibre type players and considering the large pool of players plus some Koreans like rain, hero, puma i guess it will be very nice!
As much as I like HuK it seems a bit weird considering he didn't even attempt a qualify. And he doesn't like playing with server lag, he realizes since there's like 3 or 4 players in Korea only, that he'll be playing with cross-server lag most of the time? O_O
Hope to see them offer the spots to some of the others (Pokebunny, Lalush) who did decently in the qualifiers, and then maybe a few popular names like Destiny just to grab the viewers (even if he flamed out in round 1 of the qualifiers, lol). Though in all honesty I think it's better if you don't provide justification for the players you selected... NightEnd taking one game off Puma and Jinro's "recent success" aren't exactly fully believable (and they sort of look embarrassing) - just let us know who the players are without providing reasoning.
It's very disappointing that they are not doing another qualifier.
I can understand because they want "star players" who will hopefully help them gain back the viewership loss from losing the koreans but on the other hand, all the people that loss to koreans in the qualifier, they could of got further, they could of qualified it's very disappointing T_T
I'm so happy that Jinro is in NASL, but tbh, I don't see how they can justify letting him in based on past success. Let's be honest- they let him in because he's a fan favorite. In my eyes however, that's completely acceptable.
The NASL site is annoying for putting "good" vs "evil" with pictures of Jinro and HuK respectively. Kind of a weird way to "promote" season 2 of NASL...
is mana in that league ? i mean mana "raped" puma 2-0 and crushed nada 2-0 he really is on fire ^^ him and dimaga are the two hottest foreigns right now
ps: if i remember corretctly lowely and nightend was the only 2 players who qualified trough the qualifier expect the koreans, now they wrote it like nightend is in only because of his 1-2 vs puma
On August 23 2011 07:56 CygNus X-1 wrote: The NASL site is annoying for putting "good" vs "evil" with pictures of Jinro and HuK respectively. Kind of a weird way to "promote" season 2 of NASL...
it's done tongue-in-cheek. These guys running NASL know the players well.
On August 23 2011 07:56 CygNus X-1 wrote: The NASL site is annoying for putting "good" vs "evil" with pictures of Jinro and HuK respectively. Kind of a weird way to "promote" season 2 of NASL...
Surely that's a pun off of HuK now being part of 'Evil' Geniuses, no?
On August 23 2011 07:56 CygNus X-1 wrote: The NASL site is annoying for putting "good" vs "evil" with pictures of Jinro and HuK respectively. Kind of a weird way to "promote" season 2 of NASL...
You always need more drama!! People love drama and stories!! So let's force them on the viewers!!
On August 23 2011 07:55 Datum wrote: I'm so happy that Jinro is in NASL, but tbh, I don't see how they can justify letting him in based on past success. Let's be honest- they let him in because he's a fan favorite. In my eyes however, that's completely acceptable.
Shades of season 1 invites isn't it? Hopefully he does better than the two of the fan favorites from then: Artosis / Grubby. Moon did great though (but he wasn't an unknown factor when NASL 1 was announced, even if people still acted surprised he did well).
On August 23 2011 07:55 Datum wrote: I'm so happy that Jinro is in NASL, but tbh, I don't see how they can justify letting him in based on past success. Let's be honest- they let him in because he's a fan favorite. In my eyes however, that's completely acceptable.
Shades of season 1 invites isn't it? Hopefully he does better than the two of the fan favorites from then: Artosis / Grubby. Moon did great though (but he wasn't an unknown factor when NASL 1 was announced, even if people still acted surprised he did well).
It's fine to invite Jinro, but don't try and say it's based off current success, which it's not. Just send us the list of names...
On August 23 2011 07:55 Datum wrote: I'm so happy that Jinro is in NASL, but tbh, I don't see how they can justify letting him in based on past success. Let's be honest- they let him in because he's a fan favorite. In my eyes however, that's completely acceptable.
Completely agree. Hasn't done anything since those first few GSL seasons.
On August 23 2011 07:55 Datum wrote: I'm so happy that Jinro is in NASL, but tbh, I don't see how they can justify letting him in based on past success. Let's be honest- they let him in because he's a fan favorite. In my eyes however, that's completely acceptable.
Completely agree. Hasn't done anything since those first few GSL seasons.
Sigh, another season of invitationals. I really thought NASL was going to legitimize itself in the second season with the qualifiers.
Although im not blaming this whole ordeal on them , it just kind of sucks to have another "mostly" invitational tournament.
for instance, did incontrol requalify for season 2? i cant remember he was right near the cut off point, if he didnt i could totally see him getting reinvited juts because of his affilation with the tournament.
On August 23 2011 07:55 Datum wrote: I'm so happy that Jinro is in NASL, but tbh, I don't see how they can justify letting him in based on past success. Let's be honest- they let him in because he's a fan favorite. In my eyes however, that's completely acceptable.
Completely agree. Hasn't done anything since those first few GSL seasons.
he qualified for code A August I guess.
he made it to the round of 16 in code a july, so he didnt have to requalify....
=.= just because Jinro is doing bad in GSL doens't mean he is a bad player. For the longest time he was the foreigner hope- the one who has stayed longer than IdrA. Let us not forget, while MMA was not even in Code A, he demolished a MLG.
These invites don't look half bad- Huk, QXC both are ballers and deserve it. NightEnd is not well known but he has always performed well. Jinro <3
On August 23 2011 08:32 Executor1 wrote: Sigh, another season of invitationals. I really thought NASL was going to legitimize itself in the second season with the qualifiers.
Although im not blaming this whole ordeal on them , it just kind of sucks to have another "mostly" invitational tournament.
for instance, did incontrol requalify for season 2? i cant remember he was right near the cut off point, if he didnt i could totally see him getting reinvited juts because of his affilation with the tournament.
Right because NASL hasn't earned legitimacy yet so they need to "legitimize" the league.
On August 23 2011 07:45 eYeball wrote: Must feels good for NightEnD now, only need to win one game.
I mean NightEnD is by no means a bad player just that "the reason" they wrote or who ever did seems so comical somehow.
I could of sworn that NightEnd made it through the qualifier ... or at the very least got very deep. I'm pretty sure that they had him shortlisted for season 1 as well.
ONEBubbles. He's an underrated player that went pretty deep in both qualifiers. Dimaga. I think he got disqualified because of a walkover during Homestory cup. But Dimaga is gooooooooood.
On August 23 2011 08:32 Executor1 wrote: Sigh, another season of invitationals. I really thought NASL was going to legitimize itself in the second season with the qualifiers.
Although im not blaming this whole ordeal on them , it just kind of sucks to have another "mostly" invitational tournament.
for instance, did incontrol requalify for season 2? i cant remember he was right near the cut off point, if he didnt i could totally see him getting reinvited juts because of his affilation with the tournament.
Incontrol did qualify for season 2. He was one of the 4 players who had enough points to qualify but not enough to get into the playoffs.
On August 23 2011 08:32 Executor1 wrote: Sigh, another season of invitationals. I really thought NASL was going to legitimize itself in the second season with the qualifiers.
Although im not blaming this whole ordeal on them , it just kind of sucks to have another "mostly" invitational tournament.
for instance, did incontrol requalify for season 2? i cant remember he was right near the cut off point, if he didnt i could totally see him getting reinvited juts because of his affilation with the tournament.
Incontrol did qualify for season 2. He was one of the 4 players who had enough points to qualify but not enough to get into the playoffs.
Letting QXC back in without having to go through any kind of qualifier is a mistake. He had his shot last season, and was relegated. If he wants another shot he should have to earn it through a qualifier (which he may be able to since he is in much better playing shape now), this is the 2nd invite he is getting. You can't relegate a player in the first season then give them an invite into the second, it makes the format illegitimate and does not give a chance to other players who have received zero invites compared to QXC's two. I really hope this is not a trend for the remaining invites.
qxc coming back for s2 despite doing terribly in season 1 was a surprise. I hope that he plays to his skill level this season cos I did watch him through s1 and was saddened seeing lose every week. I guess grubby is coming back as well then.
On August 23 2011 10:52 Duravi wrote: Letting QXC back in without having to go through any kind of qualifier is a mistake. He had his shot last season, and was relegated. If he wants another shot he should have to earn it through a qualifier (which he may be able to since he is in much better playing shape now), this is the 2nd invite he is getting. You can't relegate a player in the first season then give them an invite into the second, it makes the format illegitimate and does not give a chance to other players who have received zero invites compared to QXC's two. I really hope this is not a trend for the remaining invites.
I partially agree, but I also understand that the Koreans left NASL is in a bit of a lurch and they would be well served to invite fan favorites.
I mean, I'm not a Destiny fan, but I'm curious to see how he would do in this tournament format. Or Spanishiwa. Or PokeBunny.
On August 23 2011 11:00 T0fuuu wrote: qxc coming back for s2 despite doing terribly in season 1 was a surprise. I hope that he plays to his skill level this season cos I did watch him through s1 and was saddened seeing lose every week. I guess grubby is coming back as well then.
I would think not. Grubby has not shown any recent improvement, whereas QXC has gone to Korea, trained in Korea, participated in a Korean league, etc. He's a much better player than he was during Season 1
On August 23 2011 10:52 Duravi wrote: Letting QXC back in without having to go through any kind of qualifier is a mistake. He had his shot last season, and was relegated. If he wants another shot he should have to earn it through a qualifier (which he may be able to since he is in much better playing shape now), this is the 2nd invite he is getting. You can't relegate a player in the first season then give them an invite into the second, it makes the format illegitimate and does not give a chance to other players who have received zero invites compared to QXC's two. I really hope this is not a trend for the remaining invites.
Yeah, I've always been a big fan of QXC, and his season 1 performance left me disappoint.
Then again, he was on erasmus/exchange in fuckin' Spain! I, myself was on exchange at the same time, and I couldn't imagine doing school, and practicing to keep up with the pro's while there is so much to do and experience. I knew exactly why his game was faultering.
QXC is a really smart player, and I was not suprised at all that his game came back the way it did when he was able to sit down on focus on SC2.
I can't wait to see him compete, this time in his prime.
Jinro is an amazing player and I think he'll surprise many people. He's the type of player I think would really benefit from this system, where you have more time to prepare for matches. IMO if he prepares a lot for it, he's one of the best players in the world
You seriously better invite Bubbles. He lost to Thorzain in the open tournament the round that determined who qualified for Season 2. Considering both Thorzain and the Korean he lost to are not competing this season, it only seems fair.
If this doesn't include DeMusliM I'm gonna be seriously disappointed, since I'm questioning the fairness of giving HuK & Jinro a free ride before him. Didn't DeMu get knocked out by a Korean during the qualifiers too, and was unable to play in NASL 1 due to staff questioning his ability to play because his video was shot in front of a hospital, despite DeMu assuring that he'd not be physically impaired?
I can't seem to find any list of participating players at all though, so I gotta wait and see how this goes first.
demuslim is very good should be invite too,im not a terran but always impressed by his fucking annoying ly effective way of slowly winning games with minor tactics, rarely wins games on luck
On August 23 2011 12:38 enzym wrote: If this doesn't include DeMusliM I'm gonna be seriously disappointed, since I'm questioning the fairness of giving HuK & Jinro a free ride before him. Didn't DeMu get knocked out by a Korean during the qualifiers too, and was unable to play in NASL 1 due to staff questioning his ability to play because his video was shot in front of a hospital, despite DeMu assuring that he'd not be physically impaired?
I can't seem to find any list of participating players at all though, so I gotta wait and see how this goes first.
Demuslim got knocked out by Lowely in the round to determine who qualifies for the tournament. Lowely proceeded to lose 2-1 to Alive, I think.
jinro is gonna be a beast this season with the amount of practicing/streaming he's doing, its only a matter of time before he becomes a total boss again
On August 23 2011 12:38 Dexington wrote: You seriously better invite Bubbles. He lost to Thorzain in the open tournament the round that determined who qualified for Season 2. Considering both Thorzain and the Korean he lost to are not competing this season, it only seems fair.
I really hope undeserving players don't get invites, and I fear they will. That's precisely one of the major complaints I have for NASL season 1. Don't get me wrong, I love Catz and Artosis, but they wouldn't have won their spot if they had to play for it.
The ones announced just now are fine. Just please. PLEASE, keep the player quality high.
Comments about Jinro are kind of ridiculous tbh (reminds me of comments about Boxer's skill level pre-MLG).
In a tournament where most participants will be foreigners who never won a live event in their life or even competed at the highest level, he's not only a worthy invite, but a star player.
On August 23 2011 13:06 Talin wrote: Comments about Jinro are kind of ridiculous tbh (reminds me of comments about Boxer's skill level pre-MLG).
In a tournament where most participants will be foreigners who never won a live event in their life or even competed at the highest level, he's not only a worthy invite, but a star player.
Yeah I don't really get the negativity about Jinro. This is his first invite, if he bombs out and gets invited again next season then there is a reason to complain. For that same reason I thought there would be a lot more complaining about QXC, he has improved a lot as many people pointed out, but I just don't think it is fair for one player to get two invites without any sort of qualifier.
On August 23 2011 13:06 Talin wrote: Comments about Jinro are kind of ridiculous tbh (reminds me of comments about Boxer's skill level pre-MLG).
In a tournament where most participants will be foreigners who never won a live event in their life or even competed at the highest level, he's not only a worthy invite, but a star player.
Yeah I don't really get the negativity about Jinro. This is his first invite, if he bombs out and gets invited again next season then there is a reason to complain. For that same reason I thought there would be a lot more complaining about QXC, he has improved a lot as many people pointed out, but I just don't think it is fair for one player to get two invites without any sort of qualifier.
Outside of Korean players, Jinro is as rocksteady an invite as one could expect.
Tournament won't be the same with out Naniwa and Thorzain though
Damn super excited about Huk, Jinro and QXC. Lowely and Nightend are eh but they're still loads better than the bottom rung players the NASL had last time around.
In the linked article it states that NightEnD was the only player to take a game off Puma in the NASL open tournament. Sterling also took a game off puma in the open tournament in round 4.
On August 23 2011 14:31 Khavok1 wrote: In the article it states that NightEnD was the only player to take a game off Puma in the NASL open tournament. This is actually false. Sterling also took a game off puma in the open tournament.\ in round 4.
the lack of success doesnt mean hes not one of the best foreigners atm ^^, dont forget huk went from being ridiculed to a god overnight(after he won dh + hs3).. the general public is extremely dumb when they try to gauge a players skill level because their clueless
On August 23 2011 07:56 CygNus X-1 wrote: The NASL site is annoying for putting "good" vs "evil" with pictures of Jinro and HuK respectively. Kind of a weird way to "promote" season 2 of NASL...
Yeah... doesn't make a lot of sense either as it's saying this is either the first time HuK and Jinro have met, or Liquid and EG have met... both which are totally wrong.
So need Grubby in this tourney! Go invite him! Last time he was just starting scII, right now he allready won the NK-gaming and also some other stuff, just give him a other shot! Also his insane big fanbase and base of succes in wc3 making him a legend should counter in! Gief Grubby!!
HuK -Based off of success Liquid`Jinro - Based off of success qxc - Based off of recent resurgence (aka Jedi All Kill) LoWeLy - Based off of qualifying tournament NightEnD - Based off of fact he qualified (also cool he took a game off puma at finals, thanks for the clarification Xeris)
Returning or Not????
hero -- semi final NASL S2 Qualifier Rain -- top 8 NASL Open Tournament sC -- winner NASL S2 Qualifier
Who Decided not to Return:
Stalife -- work NaNiwa -- personal reasons ThorZaIN -- going to Korea BoxeR -- declined to comment NaDa -- personal reasons
I barely watched Season 1, bar the Grand Finals, but PuMa, HuK, Rain, HerO and QXC is enough to ensure that I watch it, hell if they get HerO in there, and someone can confirm that Rain will be playing, I'll be a Season 2 subscriber from Day 1. HerO, PuMa and Rain are currently 3 of my favorite players to watch.
On August 23 2011 16:03 VirgilSC2 wrote: Here's another big question:
Will Liquid'HerO get/accept the invite?
I'd love to see him play in NASL Season 2.
I barely watched Season 1, bar the Grand Finals, but PuMa, HuK, Rain, HerO and QXC is enough to ensure that I watch it, hell if they get HerO in there, and someone can confirm that Rain will be playing, I'll be a Season 2 subscriber from Day 1. HerO, PuMa and Rain are currently 3 of my favorite players to watch.
the tournament wont be as interesting w/o the Koreans...the games wont be great........ nasl still has several good player but i probably will only tune in for those players like idra, sen, huk, select, whitera. don't want to risk wasting my time on poor/boring games.
I really hope Goody will get in. His first NASL season was right when he was in worst shape and he didn't do well, but recently he is a monster again and also has been able to win TvP's with mech very consistently. Other than that I guess there is still a lot of good European players to choose from
On August 23 2011 08:32 Executor1 wrote: Sigh, another season of invitationals. I really thought NASL was going to legitimize itself in the second season with the qualifiers.
Although im not blaming this whole ordeal on them , it just kind of sucks to have another "mostly" invitational tournament.
for instance, did incontrol requalify for season 2? i cant remember he was right near the cut off point, if he didnt i could totally see him getting reinvited juts because of his affilation with the tournament.
yea this really sucks T_T
everyone who got knocked out by koreans in the qualifier could have made it further. NASL inviting players and not hosting another qualifier makes it bias and makes it exactly like season 1
I also dont like it that they still invite players. Of course NASL wants a good tournament with starplayers, but imho it needs to be fair. "When your good, your in" should be the rule, not "When your famous, your in". Because I have a feeling that a lot of "starplayers" dont play as good anymore as they did. I feel that slowly new players arise and its going to be some evolution that old famous players will disappear and new faces start to shine. So give them a chance and dont always invite the old established guys. When their still good, they will qualify through the qualifiers.
I hope they invite Stephano. He has´nt taken a major title yet but if you look at this kid play their is no doubt in my mind it is only a matter of time. Dimaga woulds also be great, maybe TOD also, have´nt seen him at all so would be interesting to see how he performce.
I would hope for some Swedes also but since Sase, Thorzain and Naniwa are in Korea I dont think any of them will be in NASL. Merz and Seiplo are both strong players but I think they are both to unknown to have a chanse to get an invite. Maybe, maybe Merz.
On August 23 2011 18:16 krisss wrote: I also dont like it that they still invite players. Of course NASL wants a good tournament with starplayers, but imho it needs to be fair. "When your good, your in" should be the rule, not "When your famous, your in". Because I have a feeling that a lot of "starplayers" dont play as good anymore as they did. I feel that slowly new players arise and its going to be some evolution that old famous players will disappear and new faces start to shine. So give them a chance and dont always invite the old established guys. When their still good, they will qualify through the qualifiers.
Well the Koreans backing out kinda screwed everything up.
On August 23 2011 11:00 T0fuuu wrote: qxc coming back for s2 despite doing terribly in season 1 was a surprise. I hope that he plays to his skill level this season cos I did watch him through s1 and was saddened seeing lose every week. I guess grubby is coming back as well then.
I would think not. Grubby has not shown any recent improvement, whereas QXC has gone to Korea, trained in Korea, participated in a Korean league, etc. He's a much better player than he was during Season 1
I watched Grubby yesterday play, he has made some huge improvements. Maybe not won any tournament or so but his skill level has deffinetly increased.
Well there was a drama about Nightend in season 1 where he was accepted and then he was rejected 1 week later for not having a visa. I guess now he can finally play... few months later!
Well to be honest i was already wondering why qxy isn't participating at the NASL , Huk & Jinro is a cool addition to the League because both are such nice Players and NightEnD & Lowely well.. let's see what they can do ( :
On August 23 2011 19:22 delchuu wrote: Well to be honest i was already wondering why qxy isn't participating at the NASL , Huk & Jinro is a cool addition to the League because both are such nice Players and NightEnD & Lowely well.. let's see what they can do ( :
I think QXC will be returning to university studies pretty soon. FXO did mention something along this line.
Not shure if this is the best place to ask, but I think it's still relevant enough:
Based on the liquipedia page, it says that ThorZaIN declined his spot in NASL, can anyone comfirm this not being just an editting error? And also if so, why he declined his spot? :-/
Hopefully they invite some of the guys that were so close to qualifying but didn't coz they lost to Koreans. Like Demuslim/Bubbles(Think he lost to thorzain?) and many others. Don't want just star names who don't perform!@
On August 23 2011 07:55 Datum wrote: I'm so happy that Jinro is in NASL, but tbh, I don't see how they can justify letting him in based on past success. Let's be honest- they let him in because he's a fan favorite. In my eyes however, that's completely acceptable.
Shades of season 1 invites isn't it? Hopefully he does better than the two of the fan favorites from then: Artosis / Grubby. Moon did great though (but he wasn't an unknown factor when NASL 1 was announced, even if people still acted surprised he did well).
It's fine to invite Jinro, but don't try and say it's based off current success, which it's not. Just send us the list of names...
Guys, it DOESN'T say Jinro's inclusion is based off current success, it says PAST success, and he has been successful in the PAST.
Some seemingly bad people will be on the list...because there's not really 50 Good players outside Korea.
But ya, I'd rather see something more open. Part of the good things about NASL missing the Koreans is that we could have a chance to let unheard of talent show up.
After letting Artosis play in season 1 even though he had basically zero SC2 credentials, I don't think NASL should be overly concerned with only having players there who "earned" it. I would be much more likely to watch games with famous or well-known players rather than just the latest people to creep into the top 100. Is Destiny a top-tier player? No. Do I want to watch him in a big-time tournament like NASL? You bet. NASL needs viewers. GSL is for the best players. It's fine with me if they are two different types of events.
But ya, I'd rather see something more open. Part of the good things about NASL missing the Koreans is that we could have a chance to let unheard of talent show up.
That doesn show anything! If mediocre foreigners win against bad foreigners... If a foreigner wins NASL S2 he gets roflstomped by a CodeB Korean in the following week. To show some talent a foreigner needs to beat koreans!
On August 23 2011 11:00 T0fuuu wrote: qxc coming back for s2 despite doing terribly in season 1 was a surprise. I hope that he plays to his skill level this season cos I did watch him through s1 and was saddened seeing lose every week. I guess grubby is coming back as well then.
I would think not. Grubby has not shown any recent improvement, whereas QXC has gone to Korea, trained in Korea, participated in a Korean league, etc. He's a much better player than he was during Season 1
I watched Grubby yesterday play, he has made some huge improvements. Maybe not won any tournament or so but his skill level has deffinetly increased.
Yeah no offense to Destiny but Grubby demolished him yesterday, his HT micro was godly. Would love to see him against the current pros.
So with NASL reducing the number of total players this season to 45 that leaves 11 positions remaining by my count. The number stands currently at 12 T, 9 Z, 13 P so I think they need more Zergs.
Invite destiny, at least you'll get a few thousand more viewers when hes playing probably. Hes better than artosis at least, lol. Id say invite Artosis back too cause imo a few fan favorites isn't a bad thing especially when you lost half your best players so its not like its going to be the absolute most skilled tournament either way, but he probably wouldn't want to play this time around.
Hmm... I remember mass refreshing and debating the invites from last season vehemently, and now I can barely bring myself to click on the link once and see who is in. Somewhere along the line I lost mad interest in NASL.
On August 23 2011 08:32 Executor1 wrote: Sigh, another season of invitationals. I really thought NASL was going to legitimize itself in the second season with the qualifiers.
Although im not blaming this whole ordeal on them , it just kind of sucks to have another "mostly" invitational tournament.
for instance, did incontrol requalify for season 2? i cant remember he was right near the cut off point, if he didnt i could totally see him getting reinvited juts because of his affilation with the tournament.
yea this really sucks T_T
everyone who got knocked out by koreans in the qualifier could have made it further. NASL inviting players and not hosting another qualifier makes it bias and makes it exactly like season 1
You guys forget, they already started filming when the Koreans dropped out. There's no time for another qualifier.
NASL really needs to take a public relations class. I have nothing against the players, but the announcement should be made by them on here. If they want to come here to bitch they need to come here and make positive impact on the community themselves, instead of letting people randomly post there stuff up.
There announcement 1 sentence details is horrible.
Some good choices! I was worried that NASL was just going to bring in some random people to fill the Korean spots but the people they chose have helped to re-excite me about season 2. Maybe I'll even buy a season pass....
Also, I've watched NightEnD steam lately and have been really impressed by his level of play. I'll be excited to see how he performs in the NASL.
On August 23 2011 23:59 ellirc wrote: This will be Jinro's tournament.
I can't see Jinro coming back. It's just not a slump for him. Since GSL Jan. he has pretty much lost everything. Look at Dreamhack, where he lost in a pretty bad group to GoOdy, PredY and Osho.
On August 23 2011 07:55 Datum wrote: I'm so happy that Jinro is in NASL, but tbh, I don't see how they can justify letting him in based on past success. Let's be honest- they let him in because he's a fan favorite. In my eyes however, that's completely acceptable.
Fair enough, but they did that with Artosis in NASL1. I think that a few fan favourites is good for the competition, as it gets more people into it, regardless of...."production quality"...
So with NASL reducing the number of total players this season to 45 that leaves 11 positions remaining by my count. The number stands currently at 12 T, 9 Z, 13 P so I think they need more Zergs.
So here is an overview of the suggestions I have seen so far. Note: Added some Chinese players, would be cool to see at least 1 Chinese player invited.
Get Dimaga, Stephano, Nerchio, Grubby, Sase, Tarson, Demuslim, Major and Destiny and this will be the best tournament outside Korea EZ. Get some Chinese players + Hero, Puma and Rain and it's perfect.
What bothers me is that NASL site is saying that both Huk and Jinro are Code S, while Huk is, Jinro has been knocked out of Code A. Is there anything that gives them the courage to say such thing.
And please don't think I have anything against Jinro, I love his style of play and it was great seeing him get that far into GSL, but right now I just don't think he is in his best moments of play.
I'm just saying that they are using false information on their site about Jinro, that's all.
On August 23 2011 07:55 Datum wrote: I'm so happy that Jinro is in NASL, but tbh, I don't see how they can justify letting him in based on past success. Let's be honest- they let him in because he's a fan favorite. In my eyes however, that's completely acceptable.
Fair enough, but they did that with Artosis in NASL1. I think that a few fan favourites is good for the competition, as it gets more people into it, regardless of...."production quality"...
Watching someone get decimated every week like easy AI doesn't really "get more people into it".
Even fans didn't watch Artosis and Grubby games. It's like a Diamond league KOTH, the matches just aren't relevant.
On August 23 2011 07:55 Datum wrote: I'm so happy that Jinro is in NASL, but tbh, I don't see how they can justify letting him in based on past success. Let's be honest- they let him in because he's a fan favorite. In my eyes however, that's completely acceptable.
Fair enough, but they did that with Artosis in NASL1. I think that a few fan favourites is good for the competition, as it gets more people into it, regardless of...."production quality"...
Watching someone get decimated every week like easy AI doesn't really "get more people into it".
Even fans didn't watch Artosis and Grubby games. It's like a Diamond league KOTH, the matches just aren't relevant.
But Jinro is actually good, he hasn't had the same success as his GSL runs but he's training full time and has been since release, which you couldn't say for Grubby or Artosis. I bet Jinro can kick some foreign ass, especially since he doesn't have to worry about GSL so he can dedicate his time to NASL.
On August 23 2011 23:59 ellirc wrote: This will be Jinro's tournament.
I can't see Jinro coming back. It's just not a slump for him. Since GSL Jan. he has pretty much lost everything. Look at Dreamhack, where he lost in a pretty bad group to GoOdy, PredY and Osho.
So with NASL reducing the number of total players this season to 45 that leaves 11 positions remaining by my count. The number stands currently at 12 T, 9 Z, 13 P so I think they need more Zergs.
So here is an overview of the suggestions I have seen so far. Note: Added some Chinese players, would be cool to see at least 1 Chinese player invited.
So I imagine a large number of the 11 new players to be announced would be from this list.
very nice post I really like that I don't know I'd expect them to be picking up some Chinese people if nothing else but its still going to be a great league. some people are going to get their chances at the money and if they want to just give it away thats just fine with me.
On August 23 2011 07:55 Datum wrote: I'm so happy that Jinro is in NASL, but tbh, I don't see how they can justify letting him in based on past success. Let's be honest- they let him in because he's a fan favorite. In my eyes however, that's completely acceptable.
Fair enough, but they did that with Artosis in NASL1. I think that a few fan favourites is good for the competition, as it gets more people into it, regardless of...."production quality"...
Watching someone get decimated every week like easy AI doesn't really "get more people into it".
Even fans didn't watch Artosis and Grubby games. It's like a Diamond league KOTH, the matches just aren't relevant.
You obviously didn't watch the Grubby games. At least the later half of the league he actually played really well and just got unlucky and couldn't close any series off. He often lost 1-2.
On August 24 2011 00:41 lavalos wrote: What bothers me is that NASL site is saying that both Huk and Jinro are Code S, while Huk is, Jinro has been knocked out of Code A. Is there anything that gives them the courage to say such thing.
And please don't think I have anything against Jinro, I love his style of play and it was great seeing him get that far into GSL, but right now I just don't think he is in his best moments of play.
I'm just saying that they are using false information on their site about Jinro, that's all.
When did I say Jinro was in Code S? It says Jinro is a "Code S class player," which is very different from saying "Jinro is currently playing in Code S"
My statement is saying that he is the caliber of player to be in Code S.
(P)EG HuK -Based on success (T)Liquid`Jinro - Based on of success (T)FXOqxc - Based on recent resurgence (aka Jedi All Kill) (Z)IMBALoWeLy - Based on qualifying tournament (P)FnaticMSI NightEnD - Based on fact he qualified (also cool he took a game off puma at finals, thanks for the clarification Xeris)
1) (P) EGHuK - Makes sense. He's one of the hottest foreigners on the scene at the moment, and EG probably more than wanted him to compete in the NASL considering they bought both him and the remaining days on his contract, even despite his commitments to Korea. He could make a huge storm in the NASL, even despite the Korean lag issue. Just look at how many Koreans made it through the NASL Open, NASL S2 Qualifiers and through the actual LAN event that was the Grand Finals.
And since HuK's trained hugely for months in Korea and should hopefully get a great training environment under EG, he could own this competition if he really wanted to.
2) (T) Liquid'Jinro - What success? The furthest he ever made it was as an MLG champion about a year ago before we started to see Koreans finish almost top in every MLG and in the Ro4 of Code S. Since then, he's shown disappointing results. I sure as hell hope he's improved greatly since his knockout from Code A and doesn't end up being the Artosis of Season 2. He showed such great promise in the GSL and then went from Code S to Code A to 'Code B,' on a slump so significant, you could see it from space.
Then again, maybe I'm being too hard on Jinro, speaking as somebody who is in Gold League and doesn't have the necessary skills to go pro, let alone qualify for Code A, which even some of the best players fail to do.
Besides, he may just be unlucky. Some people have bad days, but there is such a thing as bad weeks or even bad months. Jinro plays well in all seriousness but has had a few unlucky months.
3) (T) FXOJohnLennon - He hasn't got the best results, but Qxc does show pretty significant streaks of brilliance like the IM all-kill where he took down 4 members of their team including MVP, a player that not even MMA or BoxeR could beat in a straight up game.
4) (Z) IMBALoWeLy - Don't know who he is but if he made it quite far through the qualifier and lost only to Koreans (who were pretty much the only people to initially qualify through the Season 2 qualifier) then he's probably great.
5) (P) FnaticMSI NightEnD - He's got some results and did qualify. Also, you'll have to be pretty good to actually take a game off of PuMa.
On August 23 2011 07:45 eYeball wrote: Must feels good for NightEnD now, only need to win one game.
I mean NightEnD is by no means a bad player just that "the reason" they wrote or who ever did seems so comical somehow.
The denied him participation in season 1 because they were concerned about his visa even tho he didn't have any visa problems apparently. This is kind of making up for it?
Huk didn't want to play in Season one because of bad conditions and lag from Korea. I think Jinro had similar reasons. What changed their mind for season 2?
On August 23 2011 07:45 eYeball wrote: Must feels good for NightEnD now, only need to win one game.
I mean NightEnD is by no means a bad player just that "the reason" they wrote or who ever did seems so comical somehow.
The denied him participation in season 1 because they were concerned about his visa even tho he didn't have any visa problems apparently. This is kind of making up for it?
Huk didn't want to play in Season one because of bad conditions and lag from Korea. I think Jinro had similar reasons. What changed their mind for season 2?
The BIG MONEY is the more prominent reason, with a LAN type of playoffs to even out the playing field coming in second.
2) (T) Liquid'Jinro - What success? The furthest he ever made it was as an MLG champion about a year ago before we started to see Koreans finish almost top in every MLG and in the Ro4 of Code S. Since then, he's shown disappointing results. I sure as hell hope he's improved greatly since his knockout from Code A and doesn't end up being the Artosis of Season 2. He showed such great promise in the GSL and then went from Code S to Code A to 'Code B,' on a slump so significant, you could see it from space.
Then again, maybe I'm being too hard on Jinro, speaking as somebody who is in Gold League and doesn't have the necessary skills to go pro, let alone qualify for Code A, which even some of the best players fail to do.
Besides, he may just be unlucky. Some people have bad days, but there is such a thing as bad weeks or even bad months. Jinro plays well in all seriousness but has had a few unlucky months.
As they stated it was based upon his past success. Despite his current slump, Jinro is in my eyes the most accomplished foreigner in the world. Sure he hasnt won alot of things, but the fact of the matter is he has made it to the final 4 in GSL twice.
The GSL the top league in the world and no other foreigner has even come close to what Jinro has done there.
On August 24 2011 05:25 ticktack wrote: really awesome invites but What's up with the Good Vs Evil?
They are being tongue in cheek with Huk having recently joined EVIL Geniuses, and Jinro representing GOOD Liquid. No need for people to start drama over it, but they will, unfortunately.
HuK was the only "invite" , the rest of the players are from the qualifiers or season 1.
I extended an invite to Kas , because he made an attempt to play season 1, but I never heard back from him manager, so we unfortunately wont be seeimg him.
On August 24 2011 05:20 DoomsVille wrote: Well I don't like that inka invite.
Not to say he isn't skilled or anything, it is just I have no idea how skilled he is because I haven't seen him play for months...
Inkas been having great runs online only to end just short. I think he made multiple top 16's of US WCG qualifiers and as the NASL article says, he was one spot away from qualifying through the open bracket.
The only reason you haven't seen him as much is because he's no longer on EG and doesn't have as the same financial/marketing backing he used to.
On August 24 2011 05:44 Xeris wrote: HuK was the only "invite" , the rest of the players are from the qualifiers or season 1.
I extended an invite to Kas , because he made an attempt to play season 1, but I never heard back from him manager, so we unfortunately wont be seeimg him.
Stay tuned for more players
anyword on Moon now that he's teamless? if he were to sign with a foreign team that is.
My personal thought on inka is that I would prefer Luckyfool & Suppy, who imo have posted equivalent results. But I'm super unbiased. (*cough sig cough*)
Does anyone else disagree with inka being added? He didn't qualify and I haven't seen anything from him since beta. He's obviously filling the gap of the Koreans that quit, but the amount of foreign Protoss players that deserve the spot before him is quite high dont you think?
Jinro's going to meet HuK in the finals after he reinvents TvP mech play. Then he will turn into a gorilla and maul everyone in the venue! He will proceed to beat HuK, then offer him all of his winnings to come back to Liquid. HuK will accept, then EG will sue HuK for breaking his contract. HuK will countersue for luring him into EG on false pretenses (EG said that HuK would have a life-time supply of IdrA juice (you decide what that means), but never followed through) and for emotional damages, and then Jinro will go back into his human form and represent Nazgul and HuK in the historic case of EG v Liquid, the first US Supreme Court case to involve two progaming teams. Chief Justice Steven Bonnell II will deliver the 5-4 result in favor of Liquid, delivering the majority opinion, stating "the legal terms of athletic contracts must be preserved through non-athletic competitions, including so-called 'e-sports,' NASCAR, and hot-dog eating competitions. Also fuck EG those cock-sucking fuckers rated me a '4' in contract potential-- this is the fucking reason I don't want to be on a God-damn team." EG will respond to the suit by picking up CombatEX and Deezer. EGalex, upon the additions, will say, "We're not going to financially support them in any way, in fact, we're going to take their money, but we're going to let them wear the EG tag as a giant middle finger to Destiny."
Jinro and HuK will hug it out, and Nazgul will pronounce them Brotoss and Fraterran by the power vested in him by the United Republics of the Congo/Netherlands.
On August 24 2011 06:12 illsick wrote: Didn't Kiwikaki already have a spot for season 2? he was in playoffs last season and one series short of lan finals.
Yeah. He had a spot. I'll denote which ones are new.
I have always wanted to see SoftBall play considering Sen ladders on his account XD
These really aren't invites -.- They are mostly just qualifiers/previous peeps so I think they are rather fair. QXG has quite a few players with people liek Agh taking games off top players
I guess that Softball is a good marketing tool for the audience from Taiwan, but what about europeans. The NASL roster has like zero appeal for Europe at this moment. Hope from some good surprises in the close future.
On August 23 2011 07:56 CygNus X-1 wrote: The NASL site is annoying for putting "good" vs "evil" with pictures of Jinro and HuK respectively. Kind of a weird way to "promote" season 2 of NASL...
Pretty sure "Evil" is a pun for Evil Geniuses, why get upset about it lol...
On August 24 2011 06:34 Chicane wrote: It's kind of strange that they are announcing players that we already know are in from last season like Sen Fenix and Kiwikaki but... okay.
it could be that they weren't confirmed yet but now they are 100% set.
SoftBall? I'm quite excited to see another Taiwanese player, especially considering that the TeSL is a great televised league with great production values that has unfortunately been under the radar for a while. Hopefully, with Sen participating in TeSL and Softball competing in NASL, the Taiwanese scene will get more recognition.
i'm confused as far as i;m concerned kiwikaki and sen qualified for season 2 already by their play in nasl season one, why are you guys announcing players that we already know retained their positions? edit: xigua has been tearing it up in China would be nice to see him in nasl because in my opinion he could go to korea and be at least a code a worthy player
sC -- came down with Pneumothorax Stalife -- work NaNiwa -- personal reasons ThorZaIN -- going to Korea BoxeR -- declined to comment NaDa -- personal reasons
Squirtle -- team withdrew Ensnare -- team withdrew Zenio -- team withdrew ACE --team withdrew MC -- team withdrew July -- team withdrew aLive -- team withdrew Clide -- team withdrew RevivaL -- team withdrew TOP -- team withdrew MarineKing -- team withdrew Check -- team withdrew Polt -- team withdrew Moon -- team withdrew
Froadac can you please remove "sc2con" as to not further propagate misinformation about that decision? Also, sC quite obviously will be unable to play due to health reasons so it would be prudent to remove him.
You know I actually think it's a possiblity that they'll offer to get boxer and some koreans in complete expenses paid, because korean participation is so core to their success.
On August 24 2011 08:49 OnFiRe888 wrote: i'm confused as far as i;m concerned kiwikaki and sen qualified for season 2 already by their play in nasl season one, why are you guys announcing players that we already know retained their positions? edit: xigua has been tearing it up in China would be nice to see him in nasl because in my opinion he could go to korea and be at least a code a worthy player
Unfortunately, I couldn't get in contact with any Chinese -- I had a friend poke around Chinese websites and make some posts about NASL, but I couldn't get in touch with anyone T_T
Using Simplified Chinese to announce the Taiwanese hope... clearly someone knows what they're doing -__-;; Glad to see Taiwanese players other than Sen finally start to play outside Taiwan though!
iNka?! How can you invite iNka while Grubby still isnt in... or is this to keep us warm so we keep checking this topic and we see him get invited last?!
Softball? Nice! Good to see some more Taiwanese players getting in on the action.
On August 24 2011 06:18 legaton wrote: I guess that Softball is a good marketing tool for the audience from Taiwan, but what about europeans. The NASL roster has like zero appeal for Europe at this moment. Hope from some good surprises in the close future.
TLO, Sjow, Strelok, Morrow, Ret, Whitera, Hasuobs, Mana and Socke not good enough for you?
On August 24 2011 08:49 OnFiRe888 wrote: i'm confused as far as i;m concerned kiwikaki and sen qualified for season 2 already by their play in nasl season one, why are you guys announcing players that we already know retained their positions? edit: xigua has been tearing it up in China would be nice to see him in nasl because in my opinion he could go to korea and be at least a code a worthy player
Unfortunately, I couldn't get in contact with any Chinese -- I had a friend poke around Chinese websites and make some posts about NASL, but I couldn't get in touch with anyone T_T
I don't know why big tourneys don't contact me when trying to find someone >.<
If you invite Inka, you had better invite Bubbles. He made it very far in the qualifier tourney and it would be a travesty to screw him out of his spot. Especially since he lost to Thorzain, who proceeded to lose to a Korean and then lost after that.
On August 24 2011 15:21 WallieP wrote: iNka?! How can you invite iNka while Grubby still isnt in... or is this to keep us warm so we keep checking this topic and we see him get invited last?!
iNka was within one game of qualifying for season 2 (lost to TSL_aLive), thats why he got invited. Seriously, do people read? I think that being that close to qualifying justifies him being invited.
On August 24 2011 15:44 Tofugrinder wrote: and here we go again.. lots of american players get invited, not because they are overall the best, but they are american. Just like in season 1
So far you must be talking about the 3 NA invites qxc, huk and inka. And im pretty sure that right now huk and qxc are pretty high up on the list of strong non-korean players. IPL Spoiler + Show Spoiler +
QXC was only 1 game away from getting and IPL3 spot in the first qualifier which was absolutley stacked
. And as for inka, its not fair to catagorize him as a pure invite, as his selection is based on the fact that in the original qualifiers he would have made it in if it wasnt for the Korean teams withdrawing.
Oh, and if ur getting annoyed about Kiwi and Fenix, remember they were already qualified from season 1. Not invites.
On August 24 2011 15:21 WallieP wrote: iNka?! How can you invite iNka while Grubby still isnt in... or is this to keep us warm so we keep checking this topic and we see him get invited last?!
iNkA was one game away from qualifiying. i believe he lost to TSL_aLive.
On August 24 2011 15:21 WallieP wrote: iNka?! How can you invite iNka while Grubby still isnt in... or is this to keep us warm so we keep checking this topic and we see him get invited last?!
iNkA was one game away from qualifiying. i believe he lost to TSL_aLive.
Safe to say he deserves a spot.
inka did way better then grubby in qualifier (if grubby tried?) and grubby is one of the most overrated players also so i think if the players are invited by success and qualifier results we wont see him but if the players are also in cause of fan favorites etc then he come 100% >BUT<!!! he was las or 2nd last place so if you invite him all players who are kniocked out of league (goody etc) who have way better results will complain
inka name recognition? so it finally pays off to have a name similar to ogsinca!
Anyways, we'll see with the dropout rates of this season on how skilled nasl is to pick good players, last season the NA region lost 50% of their participants after the first season.
As a purchaser of last seasons finals I was very wary of this season with all the koreans backing out. However, after seeing all the huge names NASL has replaced them with it looks like I'll be more than happy to purchase them again!
On August 24 2011 22:44 aaronthebaron80 wrote: Which one is supposed to be good and which one is supposed to be evil? Jinro doesn't seem very evil to me.
I'm fairly sure that's a reference to Huk's new team, Evil Geniuses.
On August 24 2011 15:21 WallieP wrote: iNka?! How can you invite iNka while Grubby still isnt in... or is this to keep us warm so we keep checking this topic and we see him get invited last?!
iNkA was one game away from qualifiying. i believe he lost to TSL_aLive.
Safe to say he deserves a spot.
inka did way better then grubby in qualifier (if grubby tried?) and grubby is one of the most overrated players
On August 24 2011 08:49 OnFiRe888 wrote: i'm confused as far as i;m concerned kiwikaki and sen qualified for season 2 already by their play in nasl season one, why are you guys announcing players that we already know retained their positions? edit: xigua has been tearing it up in China would be nice to see him in nasl because in my opinion he could go to korea and be at least a code a worthy player
Unfortunately, I couldn't get in contact with any Chinese -- I had a friend poke around Chinese websites and make some posts about NASL, but I couldn't get in touch with anyone T_T
unfourtunate q.q, maybe theirs next season right? =(
On August 24 2011 15:21 WallieP wrote: iNka?! How can you invite iNka while Grubby still isnt in... or is this to keep us warm so we keep checking this topic and we see him get invited last?!
iNkA was one game away from qualifiying. i believe he lost to TSL_aLive.
Safe to say he deserves a spot.
inka did way better then grubby in qualifier (if grubby tried?) and grubby is one of the most overrated players
ROFL he's clearly underrated if anything
I don't think he is underrated, he didn't post any results in starcraft 2 so far.
But he did destroy Destiny in the Showmatch, didn't he? If so, then he must've improved very much from the last time I saw him play.
Pretty nice list, even without all those Koreans. After all the western players have much more personality, at least many of them. But then I saw Gretorps face again :-(
Inka is a pretty mediocre player, not very active and has shown some pretty poor performances in MLG. He hasnt really had any personality recognition recently either. Only reason I can see for this invite is that he is friends with the NASL guys / EG. A good number of NASL season 1 invites were due to that as well. This type of favoritism really leaves me with little respect for this tournament.
On August 24 2011 08:49 OnFiRe888 wrote: i'm confused as far as i;m concerned kiwikaki and sen qualified for season 2 already by their play in nasl season one, why are you guys announcing players that we already know retained their positions? edit: xigua has been tearing it up in China would be nice to see him in nasl because in my opinion he could go to korea and be at least a code a worthy player
Unfortunately, I couldn't get in contact with any Chinese -- I had a friend poke around Chinese websites and make some posts about NASL, but I couldn't get in touch with anyone T_T
unfourtunate q.q, maybe theirs next season right? =(
I have conveyed this message to the Chinese website, I believe XiGua will know this message
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
I'm a little confused about the 'recent success' additions. I mean, I don't think it's a bad thing to leave a few spots open for invites each season, and I definitely think a spectator event like NASL is very wise to invite people it thinks will add to the entertainment value if they do have such spots. It's just that I was under the impression that NASL always said it was replenishing its ranks each season purely through the massive open tournament.
Has that position changed permanently, or is this just a one-off response to the last-minute withdrawal of the Koreans? Or were there always going to be such spaces and I just missed it? I'm just curious.
Regardless, it's good to see that performance in the TeSL is being rewarded. I'm definitely liking the co-operation between tournaments, particularly giving spots to players who perform well in other countries. I think it really helps to foster the spirit of a wider community.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
So all season one players are going to return if they want to? Despite how poorly some played?
It would be cool to see some more foreign invites (lol not american) Probably china as their metagame is so different then the rest of the world. Really like where NASL went this all this turning the bad situation into a really cool pr event.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
So all season one players are going to return if they want to? Despite how poorly some played?
No I dont think so. As I understand it, the vast majority of players who have remained from season 1 are those who did well in season 1 and were billed to remain in the NASL even before the Korea exodus. There seem to be odd exceptions like qxc but what can you expect when you get dumped by a bunch of the players who said they would play right as your league is set to start.
The remainder of the players being entered into season 2 appear (mostly) to be those who attempted to qualify for it. To think of these as purely invites is misleading because it seems atm like the NASL didnt just extend invites to any old person, but largely players who were attempting to gain entry to the league already.
On August 24 2011 15:33 rauk wrote: nice sen/softball poster, too bad taiwanese people can't read it
Seriously? I can read Japanese, and I have no trouble reading the Taiwanese versions of characters I know. I can't imagine Taiwanese are unable to read simplified Chinese, they're not that different. The only character that's even different between the two systems, as far as I can find, is the second syllable of 'Taiwan.'
(To be fair, it is kind of a silly mistake, you'd think whoever they had do the translation of "Taiwanese hope" would have been savvy enough to know that Taiwan uses a different character set than mainland China.)
Hey i heard somewhere that there shouldnt be more than 4 players from the same team, whats up with that? is it true/wrong according to the rules? (just asking)
On August 25 2011 04:21 Elefanto wrote: I don't see why tyler should be invited : / . . .
well, 13 places(ish) opened up from all the koreans dropping out. he was 2 palces away from qualifying from season 1, so i don't see why he shouldn't get another shot. Espciailly since QXC got re-invited.
As a side note, they are trying to retain viewers, and Tyler is INCREDIBLY popular, and will bring in viewers, so that could be another factor in the decision.
On August 25 2011 04:20 Origine wrote: Hey i heard somewhere that there shouldnt be more than 4 players from the same team, whats up with that? is it true/wrong according to the rules? (just asking)
It was 5, but they dropped that rule, even tho their wasn't 5 of any team in the league last season.
On August 24 2011 15:33 rauk wrote: nice sen/softball poster, too bad taiwanese people can't read it
Seriously? I can read Japanese, and I have no trouble reading the Taiwanese versions of characters I know. I can't imagine Taiwanese are unable to read simplified Chinese, they're not that different. The only character that's even different between the two systems, as far as I can find, is the second syllable of 'Taiwan.'
(To be fair, it is kind of a silly mistake, you'd think whoever they had do the translation of "Taiwanese hope" would have been savvy enough to know that Taiwan uses a different character set than mainland China.)
i'm just being an asshole in this particular case, but simplified and traditional can diverge in some pretty ridiculous ways that make it fairly difficult to read.
I'm amazed how they are not running qualifiers again. Koreans owned pretty much everyone in the qualifiers and those who lost to koreans could of qualified or got further in the qualifiers T_T. A lot of people would have qualified if it weren't for them. NASL is pretty disgusting. I know most of you guys just want to see good matches with good players but this is not fair. I hope they don't fuck up season 3
On August 25 2011 04:39 desrow wrote: I'm amazed how they are not running qualifiers again. Koreans owned pretty much everyone in the qualifiers and those who lost to koreans could of qualified or got further in the qualifiers T_T. A lot of people would of qualified if it weren't for them. NASL is pretty disgusting. I know most of you guys just want to see good matches with good players but this is not fair. I hope they don't fuck up season 3
"Would of" =incorrect
"Would have" = correct
Are you saying that there are Korean players that got in via qualifiers and then left the league?
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
On August 25 2011 05:10 HaRxTears wrote: Cmon NASL get Artosis back!!! He is the bomb!
0% chance of that happening - Artosis skipped some of his S1 games as he didn't have internet at his place in Korea... while understandable, he didn't even make an effort to try to play.
I'd like to see Grubby since clearly he's shown better results than in S1, but I don't see it happening.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
The NASL is still a kick ass league. Its a shame the koreans decided to bow out, but there is still ample reason to watch this season. I am looking forward to the matches.
Pretty good replacement picks, although they should have had better race distribution. Why didn't the NASL invite two of the hottest European Zergs-- Stephano or Nerchio?
On August 25 2011 04:21 Elefanto wrote: I don't see why tyler should be invited : / . . .
1)because he is...3rd wave (which is stacked w/eu heroes) 2)because he was ridiculously close to qualifying from S1 3)because he will be practicing consistently now (for the december 26.2hr marathon challenge) 4)he is loved by MANY in the community 5)he was arguably in one of the hardest groups in nasl s1 and still managed to produce decent games against his opponents
On August 25 2011 05:24 Devolved wrote: Pretty good replacement picks, although they should have had better race distribution. Why didn't the NASL invite two of the hottest European Zergs-- Stephano or Nerchio?
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
He was one win away from getting as far as Thorzain... And Thorzain qualified but declined, same with a lot of the koreans above him. Did you even look at what you posted?
On August 25 2011 05:24 Devolved wrote: Pretty good replacement picks, although they should have had better race distribution. Why didn't the NASL invite two of the hottest European Zergs-- Stephano or Nerchio?
still some invites to go. I would be surprised if neither were invited.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
Isn't it though?
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
Tyler was on the brink last season in a tough group, deserves another shot.
Dimaga! YES. Not sure what he's been up to since the GSL World Tournament, but it's nice to have all the best foreign zergs under one roof. Should be epic.
On August 25 2011 05:35 Defacer wrote: Tyler was on the brink last season in a tough group, deserves another shot.
Dimaga! YES. Not sure what he's been up to since the GSL World Tournament, but it's nice to have all the best foreign zergs under one roof. Should be epic.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
Isn't it though?
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
I don't think the rule changed for the Open tournament, just the qualifier took 4 less people.
Have they changed the finals format with the open tournament winner being seeded into playoffs?
Given the schedule issues I would bet every one of the koreans who dropped the regular season will play in the open tournament to try and win it all (and probably will).
On August 25 2011 05:39 mikyaJ wrote: If Softball was invited based on his TeSL success, where are these guys?
I don't follow the Taiwenese scene that closely but I know that Softball is widely considered the second best player after Sen. From what I heard they are on a level above the other players in the league. Somtimes results from one season don't show it correctly since you get lucky with which opponents you meet etc.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Um holy shit.. This is the line up that I hoped season one would have ! I can't wait to see how huk/jinro/hero/tyler and diamaga do. Sweet line up of foreigners so far, very excited.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
NASL has a ton of work to do just to get season 2 going without having another qualifier. Everyone they have invited makes sense right now. Funny you call them lazy without knowing everything they are doing.
I for one look forward to seeing how Softball performs on a global stage. Having heard about these league is one thing, but seeing them compete in the global stage should be interesting.
Maybe if he does well enough and they show to be up to the Korean skill level GSL may try to partner with them or something.
im REALLY glad softball and sen are coming. im really hoping that they can represent the tesl well and give it the recognition it deserves as a legitimate league.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
On August 23 2011 07:56 CygNus X-1 wrote: The NASL site is annoying for putting "good" vs "evil" with pictures of Jinro and HuK respectively. Kind of a weird way to "promote" season 2 of NASL...
I know! Good vs Evil should be someone from EG against Goody, not against someone from Liquid.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
So you expect people to sign up, players to actually know about and show up for their matches, casters to be selected and available in the studio for filming, and all editing work to be done, all with less than a 24 hour notice?
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
So you expect people to sign up, players to actually know about and show up for their matches, casters to be selected and available in the studio for filming, and all editing work to be done, all with less than a 24 hour notice?
That's pretty idealistic.
who says you have to cast qualifiers keep in mind we already paid 10$ to play in a "fraud" qualifier where koreans just bailed out. So many foreigners got knocked by koreans and threw their 10$ away when in reality they would of had a shot. Trust me, the NASL fiasco with the korean was a week and a half ago if not more, they had time to just host a qualifier without having to cast it and it would of been a lot more fair and respectable.
On August 25 2011 06:28 stanik wrote: Are there any more being announced? Where is DeMuSliM? I would think being #1 GM on ladder + being in EG would make him a shoein
There will be 50 players I believe (maybe 40), i dont quite remember
On August 24 2011 08:49 OnFiRe888 wrote: i'm confused as far as i;m concerned kiwikaki and sen qualified for season 2 already by their play in nasl season one, why are you guys announcing players that we already know retained their positions? edit: xigua has been tearing it up in China would be nice to see him in nasl because in my opinion he could go to korea and be at least a code a worthy player
Unfortunately, I couldn't get in contact with any Chinese -- I had a friend poke around Chinese websites and make some posts about NASL, but I couldn't get in touch with anyone T_T
unfourtunate q.q, maybe theirs next season right? =(
I have conveyed this message to the Chinese website, I believe XiGua will know this message
Yes! Get XiGua in this, I think he can surprise some people.
On August 25 2011 06:28 stanik wrote: Are there any more being announced? Where is DeMuSliM? I would think being #1 GM on ladder + being in EG would make him a shoein
There will be 50 players I believe (maybe 40), i dont quite remember
I believe Xeris mentioned a long time a go they are going down to 45 players, and shortening the season to 9 weeks versus 10. Not sure if this is still correct.
Yay for Tyler! Pretty happy to see him again & already looking forward to the matches. The others are less interesting candidates to me personally, even though all of them are "the usual suspects", of course. DIMAGA will be cool to follow, too.
Go DeMusliM though! Don't dare to leave him out. D:
I don't know if they are done announcing players taking the Korean spots... but if not... Rain, Twilight, Stephano, Nerchio, and Demuslim need to be in. = /
On August 25 2011 09:47 Corrik wrote: I don't know if they are done announcing players taking the Korean spots... but if not... Rain, Twilight, Stephano, Nerchio, and Demuslim need to be in. = /
I am a happy chap to see Dimaga added . Can't wait to see how Mana tears it up now that he's improved alot suddenly also. Will be a very interesting few weeks!
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
I'm glad you know how to run the NASL, desrow. There's so much that goes into running this league that you have no idea about, there's no way we could run a qualifier. Thanks for your expert opinion though.
There will be many opportunities to qualify for Season 3 and everyone will get their fair share.
On August 24 2011 08:49 OnFiRe888 wrote: i'm confused as far as i;m concerned kiwikaki and sen qualified for season 2 already by their play in nasl season one, why are you guys announcing players that we already know retained their positions? edit: xigua has been tearing it up in China would be nice to see him in nasl because in my opinion he could go to korea and be at least a code a worthy player
Unfortunately, I couldn't get in contact with any Chinese -- I had a friend poke around Chinese websites and make some posts about NASL, but I couldn't get in touch with anyone T_T
unfourtunate q.q, maybe theirs next season right? =(
I have conveyed this message to the Chinese website, I believe XiGua will know this message
Yes! Get XiGua in this, I think he can surprise some people.
Even if he wants to play, it's too late -- the players are all decided now. Sadly I couldn't reach him in time
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
So you expect people to sign up, players to actually know about and show up for their matches, casters to be selected and available in the studio for filming, and all editing work to be done, all with less than a 24 hour notice?
That's pretty idealistic.
who says you have to cast qualifiers keep in mind we already paid 10$ to play in a "fraud" qualifier where koreans just bailed out. So many foreigners got knocked by koreans and threw their 10$ away when in reality they would of had a shot. Trust me, the NASL fiasco with the korean was a week and a half ago if not more, they had time to just host a qualifier without having to cast it and it would of been a lot more fair and respectable.
If it'll make you sleep better at night, just pretend that the Koreans never withdrew and so you paid that $10 and lost fair and square.
Not being invited sucks, I'm sure. But then again if the Koreans did not decide to be so unprofessional with the way they handled themselves, you would have never had a second chance in the first place. It sucks to seem like you might have a second chance but not be invited. But that's life sometimes. It's hard to blame it on NASL here. Sure, some players are getting "lucky" for getting that second chance, but I would go as far as to say that there are no "losers" or "unlucky" players because you are in no way entitled to a second chance when you all lost in the real qualifier.
On August 25 2011 08:46 RusHXceL wrote: Lol copying Eminem's album title.
Doesn't even make sense when HuK is not evil :D
Lol Em's album is Bad Meets Evil.
Also desrow be quiet, you got a second chance which was a lucky break and you didn't get in there, so you really can't complain. Or at least you shouldn't be, I have no idea why you are.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
I'm glad you know how to run the NASL, desrow. There's so much that goes into running this league that you have no idea about, there's no way we could run a qualifier. Thanks for your expert opinion though.
I think he wants you to use that infinite amount of time and money that you must have.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
I'm glad you know how to run the NASL, desrow. There's so much that goes into running this league that you have no idea about, there's no way we could run a qualifier. Thanks for your expert opinion though.
There will be many opportunities to qualify for Season 3 and everyone will get their fair share.
Yea I heard contacting 20+ people to invite them is a lot harder than hosting a qualifier that takes a day or two, espicially when you're trying to contact chinese players and such..
SEASON 1 was invite SEASON 2 is invite with 7-8players who qualified for it but DON'T WORRY season 3 WILL BE LEGITIMATE and will have qualifiers HOW WONDERFUL !
PS: Don't worry I'm not the only one who is disgusted by how NASL is acting. People are just too busy going to MLG / lazy to bother and whine. When things aren't done right, if you don't complain it will never be fixed.
I'm interested why MC wouldn't be returning even though the mess with the Korea guys. (assuming he got to the lan part) SK would fly him out and MC has a knack when it comes to drawing crowds and just being badass. I thought he enjoyed the fans and being overseas.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
I'm glad you know how to run the NASL, desrow. There's so much that goes into running this league that you have no idea about, there's no way we could run a qualifier. Thanks for your expert opinion though.
There will be many opportunities to qualify for Season 3 and everyone will get their fair share.
Yea I heard contacting 20+ people to invite them is a lot harder than hosting a qualifier that takes a day or two, espicially when you're trying to contact chinese players and such..
SEASON 1 was invite SEASON 2 is invite with 7-8players who qualified for it but DON'T WORRY season 3 WILL BE LEGITIMATE and will have qualifiers HOW WONDERFUL !
PS: Don't worry I'm not the only one who is disgusted by how NASL is acting. People are just too busy going to MLG / lazy to bother and whine. When things aren't done right, if you don't complain it will never be fixed.
Since when has this community ever too lazy to bother and whine?
I'm sure if people had a problem with how the process was being done, there would already be threads about it on TL and Reddit and a shit ton of responses.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
I'm glad you know how to run the NASL, desrow. There's so much that goes into running this league that you have no idea about, there's no way we could run a qualifier. Thanks for your expert opinion though.
There will be many opportunities to qualify for Season 3 and everyone will get their fair share.
Yea I heard contacting 20+ people to invite them is a lot harder than hosting a qualifier that takes a day or two, espicially when you're trying to contact chinese players and such..
SEASON 1 was invite SEASON 2 is invite with 7-8players who qualified for it but DON'T WORRY season 3 WILL BE LEGITIMATE and will have qualifiers HOW WONDERFUL !
PS: Don't worry I'm not the only one who is disgusted by how NASL is acting. People are just too busy going to MLG / lazy to bother and whine. When things aren't done right, if you don't complain it will never be fixed.
You forget it's their league and they do it like they want.. They can have a invite only rule for ever and people will stil watch. They don't have to do qualifiers. Stop being a public whiner, it harms your image. If you want to complain PM xeris..
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
I'm glad you know how to run the NASL, desrow. There's so much that goes into running this league that you have no idea about, there's no way we could run a qualifier. Thanks for your expert opinion though.
There will be many opportunities to qualify for Season 3 and everyone will get their fair share.
Yea I heard contacting 20+ people to invite them is a lot harder than hosting a qualifier that takes a day or two, espicially when you're trying to contact chinese players and such..
SEASON 1 was invite SEASON 2 is invite with 7-8players who qualified for it but DON'T WORRY season 3 WILL BE LEGITIMATE and will have qualifiers HOW WONDERFUL !
PS: Don't worry I'm not the only one who is disgusted by how NASL is acting. People are just too busy going to MLG / lazy to bother and whine. When things aren't done right, if you don't complain it will never be fixed.
Yes desrow it seems that everyone is lazy. If you want to complain why not just message him?
What is Desrow doing wrong, the was qualifiers before the Koreans entered where good palyers were knocked out in early round agaisnt the very Koreans who have now pulled out. Suddently old players along with invites are getting in who didnt even enter tournaments. A qualifer tournament would of been a lot fairer giving a chance for old players who previousley didnt qualify due to poorer performance and also newer players who got nocked out vs the koreans previously.
Fair enough saying their league and they can do what they want, which is what 90% of tournaments are like and after wc3(where the same players awlays got invited). I hope sc2 becomes a much fairer game where up and coming players can try and qualify!!!
On August 25 2011 18:33 Angelbelow wrote: Btw, how about Demulism?
After all that drama the last time? :D I'm a Demuslim fan but he hasn't really posted results lately, so i guess it would be understandable to not invite him.I still hope he does get a spot though.
I like the player choices and I think people should stopp hating. Everything is fine and the last NASL entertained me very much :-) And this one will be great too
On August 25 2011 18:30 Tommylew wrote: What is Desrow doing wrong, the was qualifiers before the Koreans entered where good palyers were knocked out in early round agaisnt the very Koreans who have now pulled out. Suddently old players along with invites are getting in who didnt even enter tournaments. A qualifer tournament would of been a lot fairer giving a chance for old players who previousley didnt qualify due to poorer performance and also newer players who got nocked out vs the koreans previously.
Fair enough saying their league and they can do what they want, which is what 90% of tournaments are like and after wc3(where the same players awlays got invited). I hope sc2 becomes a much fairer game where up and coming players can try and qualify!!!
I agree with this, he paid to enter the qualifying tournament of which he was knocked out of by the koreans who then pulled out. NASL then just invited players who they wanted. Doesn't seem fair on players trying to make a name for themselves when the more populars are just prioritised
On August 25 2011 18:33 Angelbelow wrote: Btw, how about Demulism?
After all that drama the last time? :D I'm a Demuslim fan but he hasn't really posted results lately, so i guess it would be understandable to not invite him.I still hope he does get a spot though.
Also, this tourney needs Goody!
Demuslim has a sick ladder record though. I hope he gets an invite.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
thats not one game away ... =/ NASL being shady like always
I believe initially top 8 of both the open tournament and the qualifiers would qualify for season 2. As you can see in the bracket, inka made it to the round of 16, so he was 1 set or perhaps even 1 literal game away from qualifying.
Of course, later on they changed the rules because they were reducing the player count for season 2 - so only the top 4 were guaranteed spots for season 2 while players 5-8 were put on hold. However, if my memory is correct, after those initial few players declined returning to season 2 (Boxer, Thorzain, Naniwa, etc.) I believe most if not all the players in rank 5-8 were accepted - so inka was literally 1 set and perhaps even 1 game (the bracket doesn't list the score of the of set he played in the round of 16) away from qualifying.
The 2nd qualifier should have been replayed because all the koreans who signed up and knocked out "foreigners" ended up not participating in the league. You could almost say the same for the Open tournament but the koreans wanted to the 16th seed/be in the playoffs it's really disappointing and a qualifier takes 1 or 2 days to host. NASL is just being lazy
Even if it did take 1-2 days to host, it takes upwards of 2 weeks to plan. If your goal is to stay as close to the original schedule as possible with a 2 week delay, you don't have an extra 2 weeks for planning.
The only alternative solution is to deviate from the original schedule, which would make the finals run into holiday time, making it an inconvenience for everybody both financially and time-wise.
it doesn't take 2weeks to plan a qualifier you are crazy.... yes NASL is shady and lazy and is not doing this the right way
I'm glad you know how to run the NASL, desrow. There's so much that goes into running this league that you have no idea about, there's no way we could run a qualifier. Thanks for your expert opinion though.
There will be many opportunities to qualify for Season 3 and everyone will get their fair share.
Yea I heard contacting 20+ people to invite them is a lot harder than hosting a qualifier that takes a day or two, espicially when you're trying to contact chinese players and such..
SEASON 1 was invite SEASON 2 is invite with 7-8players who qualified for it but DON'T WORRY season 3 WILL BE LEGITIMATE and will have qualifiers HOW WONDERFUL !
PS: Don't worry I'm not the only one who is disgusted by how NASL is acting. People are just too busy going to MLG / lazy to bother and whine. When things aren't done right, if you don't complain it will never be fixed.
Do you even think before you post? You act like they didn't just have 14 players pull out at the last minute. And you need more than 2 days for a qualifier. They need to notify players that a qualifier would be held with a minimum of a one week notice. Then add the tournament time. Also you are ignoring all the production that must be done for each player in the league. Not to mention everything else nasl has to do before the season starts. They can't afford to delay it any further and if you don't think qualifiers wouldn't delay it almost another two weeks, well then you are really naive.
And its funny how you call nasl lazy, shady and are disgusted by them when I've seen threads on tl about how you've screwed over your students for coaching.
On August 25 2011 18:30 Tommylew wrote: What is Desrow doing wrong, the was qualifiers before the Koreans entered where good palyers were knocked out in early round agaisnt the very Koreans who have now pulled out. Suddently old players along with invites are getting in who didnt even enter tournaments. A qualifer tournament would of been a lot fairer giving a chance for old players who previousley didnt qualify due to poorer performance and also newer players who got nocked out vs the koreans previously.
Fair enough saying their league and they can do what they want, which is what 90% of tournaments are like and after wc3(where the same players awlays got invited). I hope sc2 becomes a much fairer game where up and coming players can try and qualify!!!
I agree with this, he paid to enter the qualifying tournament of which he was knocked out of by the koreans who then pulled out. NASL then just invited players who they wanted. Doesn't seem fair on players trying to make a name for themselves when the more populars are just prioritised
I kind of agree they deserve a refund if NASL wants to go the route they went with inviting players.
He paid for a chance at getting a spot. If the Koreans pulled out, the spots should have went to others within the qualifiers themselves. I mean they did pay for the chance to make it. Just because now invalid players beat them to claim the spots does not mean they don't still deserve that chance.
If anything, they could have finished the previous qualifiers by having whoever the now invalid players beat advance in lieu of the Korean who did. (Fictitious example: If DesRow lost to Boxer in Round 1. Instead Desrow would replay the round 2 match against whoever Boxer beat in round 2. And so on.) This would have let them finish the replaying a lot faster and kept the people who qualified from the actual qualifiers.
On August 25 2011 18:33 Angelbelow wrote: Btw, how about Demulism?
After all that drama the last time? :D I'm a Demuslim fan but he hasn't really posted results lately, so i guess it would be understandable to not invite him.I still hope he does get a spot though.
Also, this tourney needs Goody!
goody was in the last season and didn't manage to requalify. For the sake of having even a bit of a fair tournament I hope they don't invite him (and ofc all the others who fell out of season 1)
NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote: NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament
The prize of that tournament was top 8 = invite. Was he top 8? Does he deserve the prize?
I can understand that it is somewhat unfair, because the winners of that tournament aren't coming. But when the winner of a tournament doesn't take his prize, it always goes to somebody who ended second, not the guy who got beaten in an early round by the winner.
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote: NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament
The prize of that tournament was top 8 = invite. Was he top 8? Does he deserve the prize?
I can understand that it is somewhat unfair, because the winners of that tournament aren't coming. But when the winner of a tournament doesn't take his prize, it always goes to somebody who ended second, not the guy who got beaten in an early round by the winner.
I'm not saying he's right or wrong I am saying he has every reason to complain and feel like he got ripped off. Maybe NASL couldn't feasibly rerun the tournament, or open up registrations again. If I were NASL I would probably have opted for the latter since more people would likely register now that they won't get crushed by Koreans
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote: NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament
The prize of that tournament was top 8 = invite. Was he top 8? Does he deserve the prize?
I can understand that it is somewhat unfair, because the winners of that tournament aren't coming. But when the winner of a tournament doesn't take his prize, it always goes to somebody who ended second, not the guy who got beaten in an early round by the winner.
I'm not saying he's right or wrong I am saying he has every reason to complain and feel like he got ripped off. Maybe NASL couldn't feasibly rerun the tournament, or open up registrations again. If I were NASL I would probably have opted for the latter since more people would likely register now that they won't get crushed by Koreans
Yeah I agree with that last part. But still don't agree with the ripped off part. The previous tournament prize was clear, top 8 = qualified. Desrow didn't make it so he didn't get an invite.
However, I understand that he feels that the current invited players do not deserve to be in the NASL more than he does, and that a new tournament is a correcter way to select the new players.
But Desrow didn't get ripped off because he paid to be in the first tournament. At least that is how I see it.
And to conclude, I somewhat agree with Desrow but NASL is in charge and that is it. NASL could have organized a new tournament. It has been more than 10 days since the Koreans decided not to show up, and that is more than enough time to organize a new tournament. But maybe there were schedule conflicts and/or people who are in vacation. Who knows? I feel that the NASL is not to blame for this one.
So with NASL reducing the number of total players this season to 45 that leaves 11 positions remaining by my count. The number stands currently at 12 T, 9 Z, 13 P so I think they need more Zergs.
lol basically nearly all koreans decided not to play.
People also have to keep in mind that say they hosted the qualifiers after 1 week of announce/prep/ and production for said qualifier they would also have to do production work for the to be decided winners and doing art and graphics for 14 players whilst on deadline is very hard if not impossible given what NASL has to work with.
You also have to take into account of booking the venue ahead of time and the fact that you cannot simply change those dates after the paperwork has been signed etc etc
On August 25 2011 18:30 Tommylew wrote: What is Desrow doing wrong, the was qualifiers before the Koreans entered where good palyers were knocked out in early round agaisnt the very Koreans who have now pulled out. Suddently old players along with invites are getting in who didnt even enter tournaments. A qualifer tournament would of been a lot fairer giving a chance for old players who previousley didnt qualify due to poorer performance and also newer players who got nocked out vs the koreans previously.
Fair enough saying their league and they can do what they want, which is what 90% of tournaments are like and after wc3(where the same players awlays got invited). I hope sc2 becomes a much fairer game where up and coming players can try and qualify!!!
I agree with this, he paid to enter the qualifying tournament of which he was knocked out of by the koreans who then pulled out. NASL then just invited players who they wanted. Doesn't seem fair on players trying to make a name for themselves when the more populars are just prioritised
On August 26 2011 00:56 echO [W] wrote: People also have to keep in mind that say they hosted the qualifiers after 1 week of announce/prep/ and production for said qualifier they would also have to do production work for the to be decided winners and doing art and graphics for 14 players whilst on deadline is very hard if not impossible given what NASL has to work with.
You also have to take into account of booking the venue ahead of time and the fact that you cannot simply change those dates after the paperwork has been signed etc etc
your simply giving NASL an easy way out for their excuse.
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote: NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament
Randomly inviting people?
1) The only person who is in NASL now that didn't play a qualifier was HuK. If you think he's not one of the top players and should be in the league you're out of your mind.
2) We didn't even invite HuK, his team petitioned us to put him in. I didn't see anyone emailing me to get desrow in, nor did he even contact me himself. Believe it or not, players need to make an effort sometimes, or have teams that care enough about their players to make an effort for them. desrow apparently has neither, so I feel bad for him.
3) Other players we have in the league such as iNkA were 1 round away from qualifying. desrow lost in the first round of the open tournament to a foreigner, and lost in the second round of the 2nd tournament to a Korean (after getting a free win against a foreigner round 1). So, congrats to desrow for winning 0 rounds in 2 NASL qualifying tournaments and expecting favors?
In what way would desrow have deserved a spot in the league given that he couldn't even beat a foreigner who only got to round 2 of the open tournament (losing to another foreigner). Even the worst player in NASL Season 1 won games... What I mean by this is; since we don't have time to host another qualifier, and we had to add people from previous qualifiers or Season 1, desrow didn't do ANYTHING to warrant any consideration.
4) Other players who are back in the league were pretty close to making it back anyway (I.E. Tyler who was 1 spot away), or have nice accomplishments since then that warrant their coming back (I.E. Qxc who all killed IM and has been training in Korea for months).
This random hate is really silly, floor exercise. But really, thanks for all the incredibly accurate information you seem to know.
desrow, I'm sorry you feel sleighted. You had 2 chances to qualify, you didn't. You will have more opportunities for season 3. Thanks for your concern though!
On August 26 2011 01:12 Dexington wrote: So, Xeris, Bubbles will be getting an invite then, since he lost to Thorzain a round before qualifying? And the fact that Thorzain isn't in.
Your player selection is arbitrary. You're giving out all sorts of justifications for inviting players beyond the order that they placed in the qualifier tournament. It's your tournament and you can do what you want with it. You're right though, there is nothing random about your selection process. It's obviously all very calculated. But that doesn't necessarily make it fair to those who paid money to take part in a qualifier. I do find it strange you take such exception to my using the term random when you throw out that I'm "randomly hating"
I don't even know who desrow is I can just see his side in all of this.
The question is, does it matter where people placed in a qualifier tournament if it it's almost completely invalidated by the decisions made by NASL? What kind of confidence does that give players the next time you charge money for a qualifier and some unusual circumstance arises that gives you leave to say "welp, this guy's team petitioned him, this guy is cool, gotta have Nony up in here too" it's all Korea's fault anyway so who cares right
Tyler returns? Is there a rational chance that we see GoOdy as well? I mean if you consider results, GoOdy is probably second to none of the people who were eliminated, considering his several championships of the small cups (only small in prize money, but several good players in them nonetheless). Well, Tyler did finish better in the group stages, but you cannot really compare that since it was not the same group and one group might be harder than the other.
On August 26 2011 01:40 floor exercise wrote: Your player selection is arbitrary. You're giving out all sorts of justifications for inviting players beyond the order that they placed in the qualifier tournament. It's your tournament and you can do what you want with it. You're right though, there is nothing random about your selection process. It's obviously all very calculated. But that doesn't necessarily make it fair to those who paid money to take part in a qualifier. I do find it strange you take such exception to my using the term random when you throw out that I'm "randomly hating"
I don't even know who desrow is I can just see his side in all of this.
The question is, does it matter where people placed in a qualifier tournament if it it's almost completely invalidated by the decisions made by NASL? What kind of confidence does that give players the next time you charge money for a qualifier and some unusual circumstance arises that gives you leave to say "welp, this guy's team petitioned him, this guy is cool, gotta have Nony up in here too" it's all Korea's fault anyway so who cares right
I don't understand where you're getting this "arbitrary" selection. The only choice we made "arbitrarily" was HuK. The other people we took were from qualifiers or from season 1.
For example, we created a backup list of players of Season 1 people and sent it to them in case players dropped out of Season 2. It just so happens that we lost a ton of players and had to utilize that backup. The rest of the players were taken from qualifiers (except HuK).
There's very little about this process that was arbitrary. If you take the explanations on the NASL site as literal, then I don't know what to tell you.
If I say that I had the best hamburger in the world yesterday, it doesn't actually mean it was the best hamburger in the world. If an advertisement says that Panda Express is "gourmet" Chinese food, it doesnt mean that it's actually gourmet. It's an ad... ads are supposed to make the product look good. A news post talking about a player in the NASL is supposed to make them look good.
What do you want me to say "we randomly chose Tyler even tho hes a newb" ? Sorry if that's what you think -- I'm going to stop arguing with you now because we clearly have different views
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote: NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament
Randomly inviting people?
1) The only person who is in NASL now that didn't play a qualifier was HuK. If you think he's not one of the top players and should be in the league you're out of your mind.
2) We didn't even invite HuK, his team petitioned us to put him in. I didn't see anyone emailing me to get desrow in, nor did he even contact me himself. Believe it or not, players need to make an effort sometimes, or have teams that care enough about their players to make an effort for them. desrow apparently has neither, so I feel bad for him.
3) Other players we have in the league such as iNkA were 1 round away from qualifying. desrow lost in the first round of the open tournament to a foreigner, and lost in the second round of the 2nd tournament to a Korean (after getting a free win against a foreigner round 1). So, congrats to desrow for winning 0 rounds in 2 NASL qualifying tournaments and expecting favors?
In what way would desrow have deserved a spot in the league given that he couldn't even beat a foreigner who only got to round 2 of the open tournament (losing to another foreigner). Even the worst player in NASL Season 1 won games... What I mean by this is; since we don't have time to host another qualifier, and we had to add people from previous qualifiers or Season 1, desrow didn't do ANYTHING to warrant any consideration.
4) Other players who are back in the league were pretty close to making it back anyway (I.E. Tyler who was 1 spot away), or have nice accomplishments since then that warrant their coming back (I.E. Qxc who all killed IM and has been training in Korea for months).
This random hate is really silly, floor exercise. But really, thanks for all the incredibly accurate information you seem to know.
desrow, I'm sorry you feel sleighted. You had 2 chances to qualify, you didn't. You will have more opportunities for season 3. Thanks for your concern though!
Do you think I've been arguing all these pages only for myself ? What about vvv time who was 1 round away also? I know I did poor in the first one and losing 1-2 to ogsvines is not bad but there are other cases that are just outrageous. Onebubbles is another example. Thanks for being a total dick to me when I'm just trying to question your methods and make the community aware of how shady you are and how badly you are handling the fact that the entire korean community bailed on you.
Good luck at stealing seats this week end, I already have my pop corn ready on Monday and will be happily spamming f5 on reddit.
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote: NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament
Randomly inviting people?
1) The only person who is in NASL now that didn't play a qualifier was HuK. If you think he's not one of the top players and should be in the league you're out of your mind.
2) We didn't even invite HuK, his team petitioned us to put him in. I didn't see anyone emailing me to get desrow in, nor did he even contact me himself. Believe it or not, players need to make an effort sometimes, or have teams that care enough about their players to make an effort for them. desrow apparently has neither, so I feel bad for him.
3) Other players we have in the league such as iNkA were 1 round away from qualifying. desrow lost in the first round of the open tournament to a foreigner, and lost in the second round of the 2nd tournament to a Korean (after getting a free win against a foreigner round 1). So, congrats to desrow for winning 0 rounds in 2 NASL qualifying tournaments and expecting favors?
In what way would desrow have deserved a spot in the league given that he couldn't even beat a foreigner who only got to round 2 of the open tournament (losing to another foreigner). Even the worst player in NASL Season 1 won games... What I mean by this is; since we don't have time to host another qualifier, and we had to add people from previous qualifiers or Season 1, desrow didn't do ANYTHING to warrant any consideration.
4) Other players who are back in the league were pretty close to making it back anyway (I.E. Tyler who was 1 spot away), or have nice accomplishments since then that warrant their coming back (I.E. Qxc who all killed IM and has been training in Korea for months).
This random hate is really silly, floor exercise. But really, thanks for all the incredibly accurate information you seem to know.
desrow, I'm sorry you feel sleighted. You had 2 chances to qualify, you didn't. You will have more opportunities for season 3. Thanks for your concern though!
Do you think I've been arguing all these pages only for myself ? What about vvv time who was 1 round away also? I know I did poor in the first one and losing 1-2 to ogsvines is not bad but there are other cases that are just outrageous. Onebubbles is another example. Thanks for being a total dick to me when I'm just trying to question your methods and make the community aware of how shady you are and how badly you are handling the fact that the entire korean community bailed on you.
Good luck at stealing seats this week end, I already have my pop corn ready on Monday and will be happily spamming f5 on reddit.
Honestly considering how bitter you sound, these are extremely good reasons to be a total dick to you.
Also, are people really arguing that they're inviting players based on who they like (which isn't actually entirely the case) after their entire season 1 was based exactly on that?
On August 26 2011 00:56 echO [W] wrote: People also have to keep in mind that say they hosted the qualifiers after 1 week of announce/prep/ and production for said qualifier they would also have to do production work for the to be decided winners and doing art and graphics for 14 players whilst on deadline is very hard if not impossible given what NASL has to work with.
You also have to take into account of booking the venue ahead of time and the fact that you cannot simply change those dates after the paperwork has been signed etc etc
your simply giving NASL an easy way out for their excuse.
Doesn't mean it's not valid. Resources are limited, deadlines exist and production schedules have to be followed. NASL doesn't have unlimited resources and unlimited time.
It's NASL's tournament and since this is an exceptional situation, they can invite whoever they want.
Thanks for being a total dick to me when I'm just trying to question your methods and make the community aware of how shady you are and how badly you are handling the fact that the entire korean community bailed on you.
hahaha, sorry just found that funny.
"Why do you treat me badly, I'm just trying to destroy your reputation and your business. ;_;"
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote: NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament
Randomly inviting people?
1) The only person who is in NASL now that didn't play a qualifier was HuK. If you think he's not one of the top players and should be in the league you're out of your mind.
2) We didn't even invite HuK, his team petitioned us to put him in. I didn't see anyone emailing me to get desrow in, nor did he even contact me himself. Believe it or not, players need to make an effort sometimes, or have teams that care enough about their players to make an effort for them. desrow apparently has neither, so I feel bad for him.
3) Other players we have in the league such as iNkA were 1 round away from qualifying. desrow lost in the first round of the open tournament to a foreigner, and lost in the second round of the 2nd tournament to a Korean (after getting a free win against a foreigner round 1). So, congrats to desrow for winning 0 rounds in 2 NASL qualifying tournaments and expecting favors?
In what way would desrow have deserved a spot in the league given that he couldn't even beat a foreigner who only got to round 2 of the open tournament (losing to another foreigner). Even the worst player in NASL Season 1 won games... What I mean by this is; since we don't have time to host another qualifier, and we had to add people from previous qualifiers or Season 1, desrow didn't do ANYTHING to warrant any consideration.
4) Other players who are back in the league were pretty close to making it back anyway (I.E. Tyler who was 1 spot away), or have nice accomplishments since then that warrant their coming back (I.E. Qxc who all killed IM and has been training in Korea for months).
This random hate is really silly, floor exercise. But really, thanks for all the incredibly accurate information you seem to know.
desrow, I'm sorry you feel sleighted. You had 2 chances to qualify, you didn't. You will have more opportunities for season 3. Thanks for your concern though!
Do you think I've been arguing all these pages only for myself ? What about vvv time who was 1 round away also? I know I did poor in the first one and losing 1-2 to ogsvines is not bad but there are other cases that are just outrageous. Onebubbles is another example. Thanks for being a total dick to me when I'm just trying to question your methods and make the community aware of how shady you are and how badly you are handling the fact that the entire korean community bailed on you.
Good luck at stealing seats this week end, I already have my pop corn ready on Monday and will be happily spamming f5 on reddit.
Thanks man! Of course I'm going to fight back when you baselessly attack not only me, but my organization. I'm very well aware that Bubbles was 1 round away from qualifying... good thing we haven't announced all the players yet.
We have limited spots so we did what we did -- we feel it was a pretty decent job given the situation we were placed in. We're happy with our list of players for Season 2 and we think a majority of the community will be too!
We have very nice plans for qualification for Season 3 and will be announcing them soon!
It definently is stupid that you guys are not redoing the qualifiers for anyone that may of been knocked out by koreans in early rounds. I feel that is the simple argument that is trying to be conveyed. Now you are using this as a way to justify inviting known players over players who are possibly more deserving, but won't get spots due to being lesser known.
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote: NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament
Randomly inviting people?
1) The only person who is in NASL now that didn't play a qualifier was HuK. If you think he's not one of the top players and should be in the league you're out of your mind.
2) We didn't even invite HuK, his team petitioned us to put him in. I didn't see anyone emailing me to get desrow in, nor did he even contact me himself. Believe it or not, players need to make an effort sometimes, or have teams that care enough about their players to make an effort for them. desrow apparently has neither, so I feel bad for him.
3) Other players we have in the league such as iNkA were 1 round away from qualifying. desrow lost in the first round of the open tournament to a foreigner, and lost in the second round of the 2nd tournament to a Korean (after getting a free win against a foreigner round 1). So, congrats to desrow for winning 0 rounds in 2 NASL qualifying tournaments and expecting favors?
In what way would desrow have deserved a spot in the league given that he couldn't even beat a foreigner who only got to round 2 of the open tournament (losing to another foreigner). Even the worst player in NASL Season 1 won games... What I mean by this is; since we don't have time to host another qualifier, and we had to add people from previous qualifiers or Season 1, desrow didn't do ANYTHING to warrant any consideration.
4) Other players who are back in the league were pretty close to making it back anyway (I.E. Tyler who was 1 spot away), or have nice accomplishments since then that warrant their coming back (I.E. Qxc who all killed IM and has been training in Korea for months).
This random hate is really silly, floor exercise. But really, thanks for all the incredibly accurate information you seem to know.
desrow, I'm sorry you feel sleighted. You had 2 chances to qualify, you didn't. You will have more opportunities for season 3. Thanks for your concern though!
Do you think I've been arguing all these pages only for myself ? What about vvv time who was 1 round away also? I know I did poor in the first one and losing 1-2 to ogsvines is not bad but there are other cases that are just outrageous. Onebubbles is another example. Thanks for being a total dick to me when I'm just trying to question your methods and make the community aware of how shady you are and how badly you are handling the fact that the entire korean community bailed on you.
Good luck at stealing seats this week end, I already have my pop corn ready on Monday and will be happily spamming f5 on reddit.
Thanks man! Of course I'm going to fight back when you baselessly attack not only me, but my organization. I'm very well aware that Bubbles was 1 round away from qualifying... good thing we haven't announced all the players yet.
We have limited spots so we did what we did -- we feel it was a pretty decent job given the situation we were placed in. We're happy with our list of players for Season 2 and we think a majority of the community will be too!
We have very nice plans for qualification for Season 3 and will be announcing them soon!
I like how you mention bubbles but not time bubbles being more "known" than time and now time is getting screwed over =) NASL = SHADY AND NOT LEGITIMATE but then again your talking about an organisation run by Xeris so I guess people should of been expecting this.
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote: NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament
Randomly inviting people?
1) The only person who is in NASL now that didn't play a qualifier was HuK. If you think he's not one of the top players and should be in the league you're out of your mind.
2) We didn't even invite HuK, his team petitioned us to put him in. I didn't see anyone emailing me to get desrow in, nor did he even contact me himself. Believe it or not, players need to make an effort sometimes, or have teams that care enough about their players to make an effort for them. desrow apparently has neither, so I feel bad for him.
3) Other players we have in the league such as iNkA were 1 round away from qualifying. desrow lost in the first round of the open tournament to a foreigner, and lost in the second round of the 2nd tournament to a Korean (after getting a free win against a foreigner round 1). So, congrats to desrow for winning 0 rounds in 2 NASL qualifying tournaments and expecting favors?
In what way would desrow have deserved a spot in the league given that he couldn't even beat a foreigner who only got to round 2 of the open tournament (losing to another foreigner). Even the worst player in NASL Season 1 won games... What I mean by this is; since we don't have time to host another qualifier, and we had to add people from previous qualifiers or Season 1, desrow didn't do ANYTHING to warrant any consideration.
4) Other players who are back in the league were pretty close to making it back anyway (I.E. Tyler who was 1 spot away), or have nice accomplishments since then that warrant their coming back (I.E. Qxc who all killed IM and has been training in Korea for months).
This random hate is really silly, floor exercise. But really, thanks for all the incredibly accurate information you seem to know.
desrow, I'm sorry you feel sleighted. You had 2 chances to qualify, you didn't. You will have more opportunities for season 3. Thanks for your concern though!
Do you think I've been arguing all these pages only for myself ? What about vvv time who was 1 round away also? I know I did poor in the first one and losing 1-2 to ogsvines is not bad but there are other cases that are just outrageous. Onebubbles is another example. Thanks for being a total dick to me when I'm just trying to question your methods and make the community aware of how shady you are and how badly you are handling the fact that the entire korean community bailed on you.
Good luck at stealing seats this week end, I already have my pop corn ready on Monday and will be happily spamming f5 on reddit.
Thanks man! Of course I'm going to fight back when you baselessly attack not only me, but my organization. I'm very well aware that Bubbles was 1 round away from qualifying... good thing we haven't announced all the players yet.
We have limited spots so we did what we did -- we feel it was a pretty decent job given the situation we were placed in. We're happy with our list of players for Season 2 and we think a majority of the community will be too!
We have very nice plans for qualification for Season 3 and will be announcing them soon!
I like how you mention bubbles but not time bubbles being more "known" than time and now time is getting screwed over =) NASL = SHADY AND NOT LEGITIMATE but then again your talking about an organisation run by Xeris so I guess people should of been expecting this.
Lol. Desrow providing comic relief in already entertaining situation. vvvTime is more known? Because of the "vvv" in front of his name? I think the community as a whole would be as likely to know Bubbles as Time. They may or may not recognize the "vvv".
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote: NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament
Randomly inviting people?
1) The only person who is in NASL now that didn't play a qualifier was HuK. If you think he's not one of the top players and should be in the league you're out of your mind.
2) We didn't even invite HuK, his team petitioned us to put him in. I didn't see anyone emailing me to get desrow in, nor did he even contact me himself. Believe it or not, players need to make an effort sometimes, or have teams that care enough about their players to make an effort for them. desrow apparently has neither, so I feel bad for him.
3) Other players we have in the league such as iNkA were 1 round away from qualifying. desrow lost in the first round of the open tournament to a foreigner, and lost in the second round of the 2nd tournament to a Korean (after getting a free win against a foreigner round 1). So, congrats to desrow for winning 0 rounds in 2 NASL qualifying tournaments and expecting favors?
In what way would desrow have deserved a spot in the league given that he couldn't even beat a foreigner who only got to round 2 of the open tournament (losing to another foreigner). Even the worst player in NASL Season 1 won games... What I mean by this is; since we don't have time to host another qualifier, and we had to add people from previous qualifiers or Season 1, desrow didn't do ANYTHING to warrant any consideration.
4) Other players who are back in the league were pretty close to making it back anyway (I.E. Tyler who was 1 spot away), or have nice accomplishments since then that warrant their coming back (I.E. Qxc who all killed IM and has been training in Korea for months).
This random hate is really silly, floor exercise. But really, thanks for all the incredibly accurate information you seem to know.
desrow, I'm sorry you feel sleighted. You had 2 chances to qualify, you didn't. You will have more opportunities for season 3. Thanks for your concern though!
Do you think I've been arguing all these pages only for myself ? What about vvv time who was 1 round away also? I know I did poor in the first one and losing 1-2 to ogsvines is not bad but there are other cases that are just outrageous. Onebubbles is another example. Thanks for being a total dick to me when I'm just trying to question your methods and make the community aware of how shady you are and how badly you are handling the fact that the entire korean community bailed on you.
Good luck at stealing seats this week end, I already have my pop corn ready on Monday and will be happily spamming f5 on reddit.
Thanks man! Of course I'm going to fight back when you baselessly attack not only me, but my organization. I'm very well aware that Bubbles was 1 round away from qualifying... good thing we haven't announced all the players yet.
We have limited spots so we did what we did -- we feel it was a pretty decent job given the situation we were placed in. We're happy with our list of players for Season 2 and we think a majority of the community will be too!
We have very nice plans for qualification for Season 3 and will be announcing them soon!
I like how you mention bubbles but not time bubbles being more "known" than time and now time is getting screwed over =) NASL = SHADY AND NOT LEGITIMATE but then again your talking about an organisation run by Xeris so I guess people should of been expecting this.
Doesn't really seem shady or illegitimate to me. NASL was put into a difficult situation by the Korean withdrawal and they're making do. And yeah, you do come off as pretty bitter even though your performance doesn't really warrant any consideration.
Maybe you and all these other players you're supposedly looking out for should focus on improving their game so that you can qualify the next time around. It's not like you'll be anywhere but the bottom of your group if they invited you now.
Also, in case you were hoping to get a "fan favorite" invite, complaining like this isn't the way to go about it.
Taking people from the Ro16 (!!!!) of the old qualifier is a huge hit on the quality of this NASL. Most people seem to have forgotten just how badly organized those qualifiers were on the first time:
- 10 days notice - Downsized to Ro128 from an expected participation of 1024 players - Besides the koreans, super weak roster of players: http://binarybeast.com/xSC21106163/participants - Originally, only Ro4 players qualified to the NASL
Achieving a Ro16 place mean they just won three series, avoiding korean players, praying for lag when they had to play one of them, and beating amateurs and bad pros. That's next to nothing. A TL tournament is bigger than that qualifier.
Frankly, an invite only tournament would have seem a better solution than granting places to Moonan, Lowely or Inka.
I think it is great the way NASL is replacing the Korean players. Inviting Softball was an excellent move. I was a bit bummed when the Koreans withdrew, but I am pleased to see NASL solving the issue as quickly as possible and excited for the next batch of player announcement.
Edit: Too late. That's what I get for reading before posting.
Another great group of players. Don't know much about HwangSin but so far I've been impressed with the list so don't doubt he'll at least put up some decent matches.
I am still spotting my huge banana grin after seeing Sheth on the list of invites. I'd like to echo the posters above me by saying seeing zergs such as Nerchio and Stephano, but I believe their success was around the time that NASL was dealing with the Korean drama. Not sure if their "back up" list was already finished at that time but it'd actually be pretty amazing if those players manage to be squeezed in.
Sheth isn't really an invite. He made a name for himself in NASL and was already assured a spot as he participated in the finals. So of course he is in and deserves it.
On August 26 2011 04:24 Talkerst wrote: Sheth isn't really an invite. He made a name for himself in NASL and was already assured a spot as he participated in the finals. So of course he is in and deserves it.
Oh that's right, he got knocked out pretty early It's no problem, 1st place Season 2 ez
On August 26 2011 04:24 Talkerst wrote: Sheth isn't really an invite. He made a name for himself in NASL and was already assured a spot as he participated in the finals. So of course he is in and deserves it.
Oh that's right, he got knocked out pretty early It's no problem, 1st place Season 2 ez
Yeah, he lost to Squirtle in round one but did so well in the regular season that he skipped the playoffs. Thus he didn't get much air time the last 3-4 weeks of season 1. Hope he does at least as well this season.
On August 26 2011 04:14 Dexington wrote: BratOK Incontrol HwangSin Sheth Moman
Who's HwangSin?
I'm happy to see iNcontroL back in, I was a little worried after he stopped working for NASL. I hope he can have another hot start and carry it through to the playoffs.
On August 26 2011 04:14 Dexington wrote: BratOK Incontrol HwangSin Sheth Moman
Who's HwangSin?
I'm happy to see iNcontroL back in, I was a little worried after he stopped working for NASL. I hope he can have another hot start and carry it through to the playoffs.
I think his work for NASL is part of the reason his play started to drop off in the second half of the season. He just had too much on his plate. Hoping this time he can give it his all.
I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way.
On August 26 2011 04:22 shindigs wrote: I am still spotting my huge banana grin after seeing Sheth on the list of invites. I'd like to echo the posters above me by saying seeing zergs such as Nerchio and Stephano, but I believe their success was around the time that NASL was dealing with the Korean drama. Not sure if their "back up" list was already finished at that time but it'd actually be pretty amazing if those players manage to be squeezed in.
Korean drama happened a few weeks ago. Nerchio and Stephano have been performing for months...
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way.
No one's that upset because everyone knows they tried to do real qualifiers and then got screwed over at the last minute. They're doing their best. It's probably not actually the best way they could possibly do it, but nothing they could do would be all that good, so everyone is cutting them a little slack here. I assume their intention is to go back to qualifiers for the next season, and as long as they do that it's fine with me.
What I want to know, actually, is whether the Koreans who dropped out at the last minute (at least the ones who had signed contracts) are getting banned from the next season or two. That's what GSL does (Rain, for example), and it seems completely fair to me. I think it'd also be good for both them and the foreign scene in general to try to prevent this sort of thing from happening again.
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way.
I think everyone agrees, including NASL, that this isn't the best way to select players. Qualifiers are and they did that. However, the Koreans withdrawal so late in the pre-season left them in quite the rough spot. There simply was not time to do another qualifier without totally screwing their schedule. They are pretty much screwed and nothing they can do will satisfy everyone. While what they have done may not be perfect I, and apparently a lot of others, can't really fault them for trying to do the best they can given the circumstances.
Also, keep in mind that we've only seen the first 20 players announced. It is possible that everyone that made ro16 and was still available has been asked to join the league. If they get to 45 and there are inequities, that would be the time go gripe. Doing so now is kind of premature.
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way.
The first season was an invite only tournament, wich means NASL chose the players they wanted based on the criteria they chose. They have every possible right they refuse a player from playing in their league if they don't want to see him play in the league, ie, if CombatEX was one of the best players in the world... he would still be CombatEX and I would see nothing wrong with him not getting a spot in the league. If the league don't want that kind of players in, it's their choice, and no one else's. Same thing applies here, if they have a reason for a player to not be in their league, so be it! On the other hand , if they have a reason for inviting a player in the league, GREAT !
The current way of choosing has nothing wrong with it, qxc didn't get an invite because he had a team kill, he didn't have any sort of invite. He was in season won but didn't win enough so he wasn't supposed to play in S2 but people higher than him left... wich made him move up in rank so he should be in right? All 50 players of last season had a ranking, so it is only logical that people who didn't originally made it to season 2 but where close to making it get in before the guy who are in the complete bottom of NASL S1 rankings.
Inka got in because he showed great results at the qualifier and almost made it to the qualifying round, NASL gave him a flower and made it so he got in.
"How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? " For the same reason that around 80 people submitted an application for season 1 and only 50 got in, limited places. Also, some koreans were knocked out in RO16 so they won't accept a spot even if they were given one, then they have to choose a limited number of players out of them and they chose people based on accessibility to play, results, name recognition, people that would bring in views etc...
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way.
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way.
thank you
A string of 14 posts all feel that it is reasonable what they are doing. You pick the ONE poster that agrees with you, instead considering you have an unreasonable expectation that you are somehow special because you are featured.
I think most people are very happy with the selections.
Also, HwangSin rolfstomped the TLOpen once (or twice maybe?) and routinely dominates big players in ladder and online stuff. He's playing in IPL Quals and doing well too.
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way.
thank you
A string of 14 posts all feel that it is reasonable what they are doing. You pick the ONE poster that agrees with you, instead considering you have an unreasonable expectation that you are somehow special because you are featured.
I think most people are very happy with the selections.
Also, HwangSin rolfstomped the TLOpen once (or twice maybe?) and routinely dominates big players in ladder and online stuff. He's playing in IPL Quals and doing well too.
I've never bashed any player or said I'm special because I'm featured or said I deserved a spot in the league.
I'm baffled/mad that there was no qualifier after the Korean fiasco to make up for it and I'm fighting the good fight.
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way.
thank you
A string of 14 posts all feel that it is reasonable what they are doing. You pick the ONE poster that agrees with you, instead considering you have an unreasonable expectation that you are somehow special because you are featured.
I think most people are very happy with the selections.
Also, HwangSin rolfstomped the TLOpen once (or twice maybe?) and routinely dominates big players in ladder and online stuff. He's playing in IPL Quals and doing well too.
I've never bashed any player or said I'm special because I'm featured or said I deserved a spot in the league.
I'm baffled/mad that there was no qualifier after the Korean fiasco to make up for it and I'm fighting the good fight.
They would have had to organize a qualifier very quickly. It's not impossible, but it would have been hard. And a bunch of top players who could have qualified probably wouldn't have been able to make it. And then who gets in is still arbitrary. It's just arbitrary based on scheduling concerns instead of their invitations... Maybe a qualifier would have been better. You can certainly make that argument in a reasonable way. But it's not obvious. There's enough obviously stupid things being done all the time... focus on those. The borderline wrong-but-not-unreasonable cases really aren't worth making a huge controversy about.
I already explained why we couldn't do another qualifier - but you continue to say bad things about the NASL for no reason T_T (these are real tears mang).
Oh man, I really hope Rain gets in. He's definitely the most deserving player who hasn't been announced yet. Do we know how many more slots are available?
On August 26 2011 05:15 Cel.erity wrote: Oh man, I really hope Rain gets in. He's definitely the most deserving player who hasn't been announced yet. Do we know how many more slots are available?
20 players have been announced and there is 45 spot if I'm not mistaken, so maybe 15 more. Rain is in, he qualified via qualifier. (well I think so, maybe 90% sure)
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way.
thank you
A string of 14 posts all feel that it is reasonable what they are doing. You pick the ONE poster that agrees with you, instead considering you have an unreasonable expectation that you are somehow special because you are featured.
I think most people are very happy with the selections.
Also, HwangSin rolfstomped the TLOpen once (or twice maybe?) and routinely dominates big players in ladder and online stuff. He's playing in IPL Quals and doing well too.
I've never bashed any player or said I'm special because I'm featured or said I deserved a spot in the league.
I'm baffled/mad that there was no qualifier after the Korean fiasco to make up for it and I'm fighting the good fight.
But to expect them to have qualifiers with the Koreans (who made up a large amount of the player pool) dropping out at such a late stage is unreasonable. An open qualifier would have been almost impossible to schedule with Assembly and IEM recently going on and players already committing to those. They have a responsibility to sponsors and other players to hold to the schedule that was originally slated. They most likely already have a date/location in the works for the finals which would require even more work to reschedule.
Also, it's not like they are ignoring qualifiers that already happened. You've already had a chance in TWO qualifiers to get into the league. Players who qualified/placed high are still getting their spots. The hard part is that so many koreans placed so high in the qualifiers that you'd have to go way back into the brackets to find enough non-koreans to fill all the spots. So instead they choose to fill some spots with higher profile players. I am perfectly fine with this and think they're doing a pretty good job to run damage control after the koreans bailed.
Given some of the comments and my own curiosity I ran the numbers on 'known' players. Given the 20 that have been announced and all suspected returning/qualified players there are currently 6 spots left open. That assumes Rain, SeleCT and mOoNan will all be returning. There are also 6 Ro16 qualifier players who haven't been named yet/didn't make it to Ro8/aren't Korean. While I doubt all of them will make it in there is still a chance. I'd be very surprised if the majority of them were not invited. They are:
I'm expecting at least 3 of those 6 to be invites unless something came up and they couldn't accept. Of course we'll know for sure in 5 days but it's always fun to speculate.
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league?
Yes.
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: Inka because of ______?
One game away from qualifiying.
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote:And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round?
Not randomly. Those from the qualifiers invited so far were one game away from qualifying (Nightend, Inka).
Other eligible players who were one game away from qualifiying:
Bubbles (in both qualifiers, that should earn him a spot) DeMuslim Time linko cocoa KnowMe
I anticipate Bubbles and DeMuslim to be chosen. I'd only use more players from that list if there are free spots available, although I'd regard most of the eliminated players from season 1 as stronger than these guys.
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
NASL Season 1 results were ranked from #1 to #50. Tyler was near or on the top of the list of people who were eliminated (#37).
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way.
A string of 14 posts all feel that it is reasonable what they are doing. You pick the ONE poster that agrees with you, instead considering you have an unreasonable expectation that you are somehow special because you are featured.
I think most people are very happy with the selections.
Also, HwangSin rolfstomped the TLOpen once (or twice maybe?) and routinely dominates big players in ladder and online stuff. He's playing in IPL Quals and doing well too.
I've never bashed any player or said I'm special because I'm featured or said I deserved a spot in the league.
I'm baffled/mad that there was no qualifier after the Korean fiasco to make up for it and I'm fighting the good fight.
But to expect them to have qualifiers with the Koreans (who made up a large amount of the player pool) dropping out at such a late stage is unreasonable. An open qualifier would have been almost impossible to schedule with Assembly and IEM recently going on and players already committing to those. They have a responsibility to sponsors and other players to hold to the schedule that was originally slated. They most likely already have a date/location in the works for the finals which would require even more work to reschedule.
Also, it's not like they are ignoring qualifiers that already happened. You've already had a chance in TWO qualifiers to get into the league. Players who qualified/placed high are still getting their spots. The hard part is that so many koreans placed so high in the qualifiers that you'd have to go way back into the brackets to find enough non-koreans to fill all the spots. So instead they choose to fill some spots with higher profile players. I am perfectly fine with this and think they're doing a pretty good job to run damage control after the koreans bailed.
The 2nd qualifier didn't mean anything in the end because koreans knocked out players and then bailed. That qualifier is bias and that's why I've been QQing for 10pages that there should have been another one. thank you
On August 26 2011 05:14 Xeris wrote: I already explained why we couldn't do another qualifier - but you continue to say bad things about the NASL for no reason T_T (these are real tears mang).
Hope you all like the players today!
I quite like the players you have replaced the koreans with. I am particularly interested to see Softball!
On August 26 2011 04:34 SiguR wrote: I don't understand why more people aren't upset with how they are filling the spots
They are just picking and choosing players they want based on criteria mentioned nowhere. This is the same process that caused a lot of problems for people in season 1 (demuslim, nightend, etc). And here they are, repeating it.
Even if nobody gets burnt by this type of decision making this season, it's still an awful way to go about it. I understand that the koreans withdrawing left them in a bit of a pickle, but this current way of choosing seems wrong on principle.
qxc gets an invite because he had an all kill in the team league? Inka because of ______? And it seems other players are being randomly picked out of the lower tiers of the qualification tournament. How can you pick some people that finished in the ro16 without inviting all 8 that were eliminated in that round? How can you bring back some players that were eliminated last season (like tyler) and not all of them?
I want to be clear i'm not trying to bash any of the players mentioned. I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but I feel like they should/could be earning their spot a different way.
A string of 14 posts all feel that it is reasonable what they are doing. You pick the ONE poster that agrees with you, instead considering you have an unreasonable expectation that you are somehow special because you are featured.
I think most people are very happy with the selections.
Also, HwangSin rolfstomped the TLOpen once (or twice maybe?) and routinely dominates big players in ladder and online stuff. He's playing in IPL Quals and doing well too.
I've never bashed any player or said I'm special because I'm featured or said I deserved a spot in the league.
I'm baffled/mad that there was no qualifier after the Korean fiasco to make up for it and I'm fighting the good fight.
But to expect them to have qualifiers with the Koreans (who made up a large amount of the player pool) dropping out at such a late stage is unreasonable. An open qualifier would have been almost impossible to schedule with Assembly and IEM recently going on and players already committing to those. They have a responsibility to sponsors and other players to hold to the schedule that was originally slated. They most likely already have a date/location in the works for the finals which would require even more work to reschedule.
Also, it's not like they are ignoring qualifiers that already happened. You've already had a chance in TWO qualifiers to get into the league. Players who qualified/placed high are still getting their spots. The hard part is that so many koreans placed so high in the qualifiers that you'd have to go way back into the brackets to find enough non-koreans to fill all the spots. So instead they choose to fill some spots with higher profile players. I am perfectly fine with this and think they're doing a pretty good job to run damage control after the koreans bailed.
The 2nd qualifier didn't mean anything in the end because koreans knocked out players and then bailed. That qualifier is bias and that's why I've been QQing for 10pages that there should have been another one. thank you
You just don't get it. People agree that a qualifier is the easiest way to fill the spots, but you still fail to realize what a quickly ran qualifier would have entailed. In the middle of a pretty busy month with Assembly and IEM where players are traveling/training/competing, you want to spring a new qualifier on the players. How long do you give players to sign up for the qualifier? How long after that do you give them to start playing the matches? Your qualifier would have had a serious lacking of some of the best players that could have participated. Now THAT qualifier would also be bias because it would favor only those who could respond and schedule in a quick turnaround.
So given the choice between invites based on qualifier results/season 1 performances and a rushed qualifier, I believe that the invitations yield a better field. You jump on the bit fighting for players like Bubbles without having seen the full list of invites. I'm hoping that the full list of players will include at least most of the players listed above, but at least wait on the full list to see if these guys got in or not.
After whining for 10 pages, Xeris sent me a PM explaining why with dates of events. I wish those explanations would of been given in one of the OP's. I rest my case and will be looking forward to S3 qualifier.
And to xeris sorry about what I said that concerned you personally, I will still have my pop corn/pitch fork ready on monday, let's just hope it's not you =)
On August 26 2011 09:04 desrow wrote: After whining for 10 pages, Xeris sent me a PM explaining why with dates of events. I wish those explanations would of been given in one of the OP's. I rest my case and will be looking forward to S3 qualifier.
And to xeris sorry about what I said that concerned you personally, I will still have my pop corn/pitch fork ready on monday, let's just hope it's not you =)
Now this is too suspicious, did you just ensure yourself a s3-spot in exchange of keeping your mouth shut?
Did Naniwa/ThorZaIN reconsider? If not, please shoot down mine and thousands of other ppls wishful thoughts now already..
On August 26 2011 09:04 desrow wrote: After whining for 10 pages, Xeris sent me a PM explaining why with dates of events. I wish those explanations would of been given in one of the OP's. I rest my case and will be looking forward to S3 qualifier.
And to xeris sorry about what I said that concerned you personally, I will still have my pop corn/pitch fork ready on monday, let's just hope it's not you =)
Is RGNArtist a possibility? I don't know when the team house will get set up for Reign, but it would be cool to see him showcase his skill in the NASL. He's a really good Korean Terran, though he hasn't had much opportunity to showcase his skill yet =).
Then again, that list is looking like it could use a few more Zergs.
i like these daily introductions, they are funny and well designed. this banner with dominion of evil vs. pax protossiana is a nice find =) and of course: gogogogogo brat_ok!!!
I was shocked they didn't pick him for season 1, first of all. Didn't he come in 1st in the "which player do you want to see" voting thing? Or top 3 at least. Not to mention he's gotten way better and has better results than a lot of the invitees. He's always interesting to watch and would bring tons of viewers to NASL. There's only so much ling/bling/muta I can take.
On August 27 2011 02:07 Feidspar wrote: I'm really hoping they get Destiny into season 2.
I was shocked they didn't pick him for season 1, first of all. Didn't he come in 1st in the "which player do you want to see" voting thing? Or top 3 at least. Not to mention he's gotten way better and has better results than a lot of the invitees. He's always interesting to watch and would bring tons of viewers to NASL. There's only so much ling/bling/muta I can take.
Season 1 if he got in would ahve been a joke now it would be fine
On August 26 2011 09:38 Jono7272 wrote: Need to get DeMuslim invited!
On August 27 2011 04:10 Daft Commander wrote: Thorzain never was in the NASL so how could he return if they denied him from playing the first season?
Thorzain actually qualified for Season 2 through the open tournament, but then later turned down the invitation because he was going to Korea.
In retrospect, it is completely understandable that he didn't receive a season 1 invitation, as he didn't become a big name in the scene (esp in North America) until his amazing run through TSL 3 which for the most part happened after player selection and the opening of NASL S1.
On August 27 2011 04:10 Daft Commander wrote: Thorzain never was in the NASL so how could he return if they denied him from playing the first season?
Thorzain actually qualified for Season 2 through the open tournament, but then later turned down the invitation because he was going to Korea.
In retrospect, it is completely understandable that he didn't receive a season 1 invitation, as he didn't become a big name in the scene (esp in North America) until his amazing run through TSL 3 which for the most part happened after player selection and the opening of NASL S1.
Correct -- Thorzain qualified for NASL but declined to participate because he's in Korea and didn't want to play at 2-4am
NASL wrote: The other is that they are all representing Germany, arguably the strongest Starcraft 2 country outside of Korea.
yeah sure... lol I know it's for marketing purposes and so on but still, I'm not a fan of all these exaggerations, meh.
I'm happy for Hasu, Socke and DF, although it's not really surprising they did get invited and they surely deserve it. I have my doubts about TLO though. He's famous and got quite a fanbase (mostly around people from the US, who don't follow the EU scene closely it seems) but skillwise right now he's surely behind Goody (and not only him) and has yet to proof that he can once again compete at the highest level. He hasn't shown any results in months. I know about his injury, but Demuslim didn't get invited in season 1 because he was injured, so his wrists are not an excuse in this case. But yeah, TLO's not the worst player that got invited already, so i guess it's fine. :/ No srsly (especially looking at the playerlist so far), NASL without the Panzergeneral would be ridiculous. Same obviously is true about Stephano, Nerchio etc, but I'm still confident they'll get an invite. NASL can't be that ignorant, right? Right?!
NASL wrote: The other is that they are all representing Germany, arguably the strongest Starcraft 2 country outside of Korea.
yeah sure... lol I know it's for marketing purposes and so on but still, I'm not a fan of all these exaggerations, meh.
I'm happy for Hasu, Socke and DF, although it's not really surprising they did get invited and they surely deserve it. I have my doubts about TLO though. He's famous and got quite a fanbase (mostly around people from the US, who don't follow the EU scene closely it seems) but skillwise right now he's surely behind Goody (and not only him) and has yet to proof that he can once again compete at the highest level. He hasn't shown any results in months. I know about his injury, but Demuslim didn't get invited in season 1 because he was injured, so his wrists are not an excuse in this case. But yeah, TLO's not the worst player that got invited already, so i guess it's fine. :/ No srsly (especially looking at the playerlist so far), NASL without the Panzergeneral would be ridiculous. Same obviously is true about Stephano, Nerchio etc, but I'm still confident they'll get an invite. NASL can't be that ignorant, right? Right?!
What are you talking about? TLO DF Socke and Hasu are all returning from last season - they didn't get re-invited, they were already guaranteed spots based on their performance in Season 1.
EDIT: On the other hand Goody got removed based on his performance, so they would have to reinvite him if he was to return.
NASL wrote: The other is that they are all representing Germany, arguably the strongest Starcraft 2 country outside of Korea.
yeah sure... lol I know it's for marketing purposes and so on but still, I'm not a fan of all these exaggerations, meh.
I'm happy for Hasu, Socke and DF, although it's not really surprising they did get invited and they surely deserve it. I have my doubts about TLO though. He's famous and got quite a fanbase (mostly around people from the US, who don't follow the EU scene closely it seems) but skillwise right now he's surely behind Goody (and not only him) and has yet to proof that he can once again compete at the highest level. He hasn't shown any results in months. I know about his injury, but Demuslim didn't get invited in season 1 because he was injured, so his wrists are not an excuse in this case. But yeah, TLO's not the worst player that got invited already, so i guess it's fine. :/ No srsly (especially looking at the playerlist so far), NASL without the Panzergeneral would be ridiculous. Same obviously is true about Stephano, Nerchio etc, but I'm still confident they'll get an invite. NASL can't be that ignorant, right? Right?!
What are you talking about? TLO DF Socke and Hasu are all returning from last season - they didn't get re-invited, they were already guaranteed spots based on their performance in Season 1.
EDIT: On the other hand Goody got removed based on his performance, so they would have to reinvite him if he was to return.
I'm talking about the general issue in SC2 and with NASL specifically that players do not get tournament invites based on their actual skill. And I'd obviously like NASL to be a tournament where "some of the best players" compete as I think they advertised it in Season 1, not just some somewhat good or ok guys.
With the announcement of TLO and Haypro, it looks like all of Team Liquid will be in NASL Season 2. Ret and Hero are the only team members who haven't been shown, and they both should be in based on the results from last season (Ret made the LAN and Hero won a spot in the qualifier).
On August 27 2011 10:56 CEPEHDREI wrote: can someone show me results which qualify haypro to be in this league? or is this just his clantag which brings him in?
nothing against him personally but still im wondering why hes in there.
I'll explain Haypro when you can explain while everyone returning from NASL season 1 has playoffs next to their names except INControl and strelok (strelok had a much better record IIRC).
On August 27 2011 10:56 CEPEHDREI wrote: can someone show me results which qualify haypro to be in this league? or is this just his clantag which brings him in?
nothing against him personally but still im wondering why hes in there.
I'll explain Haypro when you can explain while everyone returning from NASL season 1 has playoffs next to their names except INControl and strelok (strelok had a much better record IIRC).
I think strelok was unable to attend the final due to visa issues, and was ranked nr 3 in the regular season.
incontrol got ranked 32 in the standings with a score of 4-5 (-4 win/loss). In the format the top 2 from each group advances to the finals (meaning 10 players), then the next 20 playes with the highest ranks has playoffs where 5 more are sent to the finals. Finally NASL kicks the bottom 16 down to the qualifying tournament. That leaves 4 players in the position 31-34 which qualify for the next season but don't have a shot at the finals. incontrol is one of them. The other playes would have been BratOK, Ensnare and moonglade.
TL;DR incontrol was not invited. he qualified for season 2 through season 1 preformance and would have been in there even without the koreans leaving.
On August 24 2011 23:46 Corrik wrote: Are they seriously giving random reasons for the invites? lol...
These aren't really invites =P The only person who was invited really was HuK... everyone else played in the qualifying tournaments or were season 1 players.
yea what about inka ? I don't see him in the qualifiers ? God NASL why can't you do things the right way..
PS: and I don't mean this to be a dick to you inka I just hope NASL will do things the right way for season 3...
Was one win from qualifying in the ro16 versus tsl_alive whom at the time was top 10 on Korean ladder forba while. I understand that I haven't produced many big results lately and there would be better choices if they were choosing players purely by invite. I haven't been as active as I need to be lately due to a lot of personal things that I've had to take care of. I will be putting all my effort into NASL and I will not disappoint. I know a lot of you know very little about me but I'd like affair chance. I'm going to give it my all and I hope that I can get support from the community while doing it.
I'm honestly kind of disappointed that Haypro keeps getting invited to every single big tournament, while he doesn't put up any results. He was 2-7 last season, and his winrate in the TLPD is 42%. I know not all the invites are out yet, but it seems really bad form to bring back a player who performed so poorly in the last season, and there are many zergs who deserve that spot instead.
I feel bad for the guy because he seems nice and draws all this bashing, but really, it seems like he only gets invited to tournaments because the organizers are like "Meh, we've got an extra slot, who's popular? Oh ok, Haypro."
NASL wrote: The other is that they are all representing Germany, arguably the strongest Starcraft 2 country outside of Korea.
yeah sure... lol I know it's for marketing purposes and so on but still, I'm not a fan of all these exaggerations, meh.
I'm happy for Hasu, Socke and DF, although it's not really surprising they did get invited and they surely deserve it. I have my doubts about TLO though. He's famous and got quite a fanbase (mostly around people from the US, who don't follow the EU scene closely it seems) but skillwise right now he's surely behind Goody (and not only him) and has yet to proof that he can once again compete at the highest level. He hasn't shown any results in months. I know about his injury, but Demuslim didn't get invited in season 1 because he was injured, so his wrists are not an excuse in this case. But yeah, TLO's not the worst player that got invited already, so i guess it's fine. :/ No srsly (especially looking at the playerlist so far), NASL without the Panzergeneral would be ridiculous. Same obviously is true about Stephano, Nerchio etc, but I'm still confident they'll get an invite. NASL can't be that ignorant, right? Right?!
What are you talking about? TLO DF Socke and Hasu are all returning from last season - they didn't get re-invited, they were already guaranteed spots based on their performance in Season 1.
EDIT: On the other hand Goody got removed based on his performance, so they would have to reinvite him if he was to return.
I'm talking about the general issue in SC2 and with NASL specifically that players do not get tournament invites based on their actual skill. And I'd obviously like NASL to be a tournament where "some of the best players" compete as I think they advertised it in Season 1, not just some somewhat good or ok guys.
Well its not any of their faults that every single one of them performed better than Goody in Season 1. So your argument is completely unjustified. It's like complaining that some subpar players in the GSL get to stay in Code A because they didn't get eliminated in the RO32...
For the players who were fortunate to get an invite, consider it good fortune on their parts, but for those who don't - they only have themselves to blame, they were unable to maintain their position from Season 1 or were unable to make it far enough in the qualifiers.
On August 27 2011 20:04 m0ck wrote: Moman and haypro over nerchio and stephano. Oh nasl, why must you be so terrible at what you do..
yeah, seriously, nasl would be a joke without them. then again it's kind of standard for many americans to know jack about the european scene
The best EU players are still in it (Ret, Dimaga and Mana) and with some Koreans (Hero, Puma and Rain) and Sen and Softball I think it will be a pretty good tournament even without Nerchio and Stephano tbh
Haypro is no German, GoOdy is. Both have won and lost the same amount of sets, GoOdy losing but also winning for single games. Haypro has no recent results in the last half of a year, while GoOdy has gotten 7 golds, 3 silver, 1 bronze out of tournaments last month. :-(
I hope they are just saving him for some tank-themed day, otherwise this will turn out the same as season 1 did: several great game, plenty of good games, but masses of roflstomps because some invited players are not up to par (even though the average elimination percentage is only 20%, NA would have lost 50% of their lineup).
really ? "achtung baby" was all they imagine to germany ? ;( also very sad no goody anymore
ps: i know this sentences now in liquid isnt famous but i cant understand, i not even can imagine why haypro is saved, his lately results are really bad
sure hes a great gamer no doubt but saving him and let as example goody go down (wcg germany qualified and alot good results lately) is just ... not fair
Well, I normally don´t jump on the NASL hate train, but I can not help to shake my head at the re-invitation of haypro.
The funny thing is, that I wouldn´t have complained about Goody not returning, because he frankly didn´t deliver in Season 1, because of a slump.
But the way they announced Haypro was for a lack of a better word dumb.
They make a Germany theme and announce the four save germans and instead to announce another save player, who isn´t german, they reinvite a player, who had the same result in season 1 as the only left out german: goody (2-7).
Of course many people will now have one question in mind: Why?
Because of recent results? LMAO no. Haypro seems like the eternal talent. We always hear, how much potential he has, but we see no results. Goody on the other hand wins pretty much half the cups he enters. Just yesterday he won a cup with extreme hard competition (Socke, Darkforce, Tarson, Kas, Beastyqt etc.).
Because of popularity? No. Goody has archived some form of cult status not only in the german but also the international community. He is one of the few foreign pro´s, that has a nickname, that pretty much every one in the community knows and can indentify with him. Hell, he even has a personal song (well kinda ). The most outstanding fact about Haypro? His clantag.
Which leads to the only deciding thing for the reinvitation I can think of: Their teams. Goody is part and by far best player of the relatively unknown (atleast outside germany) clan ESC gaming. Haypro plays for Team liquid, which needs no introduction.
I just hope, that there are other reasons why NASL picked Haypro over Goody (maybe he will be announced later, which would still be bad timing on part of NASL). Because picking Players solely because of their teams is a pretty big fail.
Well, I normally don´t jump on the NASL hate train, but I can not help to shake my head at the re-invitation of haypro.
The funny thing is, that I wouldn´t have complained about Goody not returning, because he frankly didn´t deliver in Season 1, because of a slump.
But the way they announced Haypro was for a lack of a better word dumb.
They make a Germany theme and announce the four save germans and instead to announce another save player, who isn´t german, they reinvite a player, who had the same result in season 1 as the only left out german: goody (2-7).
Of course many people will now have one question in mind: Why?
Because of recent results? LMAO no. Haypro seems like the eternal talent. We always hear, how much potential he has, but we see no results. Goody on the other hand wins pretty much half the cups he enters. Just yesterday he won a cup with extreme hard competition (Socke, Darkforce, Tarson, Kas, Beastyqt etc.).
Because of popularity? No. Goody has archived some form of cult status not only in the german but also the international community. He is one of the few foreign pro´s, that has a nickname, that pretty much every one in the community knows and can indentify with him. Hell, he even has a personal song (well kinda ). The most outstanding fact about Haypro? His clantag.
Which leads to the only deciding thing for the reinvitation I can think of: Their teams. Goody is part and by far best player of the relatively unknown (atleast outside germany) clan ESC gaming. Haypro plays for Team liquid, which needs no introduction.
I just hope, that there are other reasons why NASL picked Haypro over Goody (maybe he will be announced later, which would still be bad timing on part of NASL). Because picking Players solely because of their teams is a pretty big fail.
On August 27 2011 20:04 m0ck wrote: Moman and haypro over nerchio and stephano. Oh nasl, why must you be so terrible at what you do..
Moman placed highly enough to qualify for season 2 if you didn't notice. Haypro is a questionable choice to save though, he doesn't put up any results (would have rather had goody). And Nerchio and Stephano could still be chosen, you know. Sounds like bashing for the sake of bashing to me.
No koreans? I'm not watching, if I wanted to watch a bunch of mediocre pros(except for maybe 3-4) I'd watch one of the many other amateur tournaments. I was at the NASL finals and one of the greatest things about it was the foreigners fighting the koreans. Now that they took it out, I can't even get hyped for it.
On August 27 2011 20:04 m0ck wrote: Moman and haypro over nerchio and stephano. Oh nasl, why must you be so terrible at what you do..
yeah, seriously, nasl would be a joke without them. then again it's kind of standard for many americans to know jack about the european scene
I feel that that is an absolutely ridiculous accusation. I agree that it is outrageous that Nerchio and Stephano did not get invites, but I think that there is no way that was because Americans don't know about them.
On August 28 2011 05:55 Relickey wrote: No koreans? I'm not watching, if I wanted to watch a bunch of mediocre pros(except for maybe 3-4) I'd watch one of the many other amateur tournaments. I was at the NASL finals and one of the greatest things about it was the foreigners fighting the koreans. Now that they took it out, I can't even get hyped for it.
You obviously haven't followed along with any of the news in the slightest. Next time try doing a little digging before making such a ridiculous statement.
On August 27 2011 22:31 Sphaero wrote: Well, I normally don´t jump on the NASL hate train, but I can not help to shake my head at the re-invitation of haypro.
The funny thing is, that I wouldn´t have complained about Goody not returning, because he frankly didn´t deliver in Season 1, because of a slump.
But the way they announced Haypro was for a lack of a better word dumb.
They make a Germany theme and announce the four save germans and instead to announce another save player, who isn´t german, they reinvite a player, who had the same result in season 1 as the only left out german: goody (2-7).
Of course many people will now have one question in mind: Why?
Because of recent results? LMAO no. Haypro seems like the eternal talent. We always hear, how much potential he has, but we see no results. Goody on the other hand wins pretty much half the cups he enters. Just yesterday he won a cup with extreme hard competition (Socke, Darkforce, Tarson, Kas, Beastyqt etc.).
Because of popularity? No. Goody has archived some form of cult status not only in the german but also the international community. He is one of the few foreign pro´s, that has a nickname, that pretty much every one in the community knows and can indentify with him. Hell, he even has a personal song (well kinda ). The most outstanding fact about Haypro? His clantag.
Which leads to the only deciding thing for the reinvitation I can think of: Their teams. Goody is part and by far best player of the relatively unknown (atleast outside germany) clan ESC gaming. Haypro plays for Team liquid, which needs no introduction.
I just hope, that there are other reasons why NASL picked Haypro over Goody (maybe he will be announced later, which would still be bad timing on part of NASL). Because picking Players solely because of their teams is a pretty big fail.
On August 27 2011 20:04 m0ck wrote: Moman and haypro over nerchio and stephano. Oh nasl, why must you be so terrible at what you do..
Moman is in because of his good performance last season - do you think it's fair to kick players out because m0ck doesn't like them, regardless of whether they're supposed to be in or not?
On August 28 2011 05:55 Relickey wrote: No koreans? I'm not watching, if I wanted to watch a bunch of mediocre pros(except for maybe 3-4) I'd watch one of the many other amateur tournaments. I was at the NASL finals and one of the greatest things about it was the foreigners fighting the koreans. Now that they took it out, I can't even get hyped for it.
Why did you feel you needed to post this lol? I don't know if they really care, it is good that you have an opinion... But you don't need to shit on them for something they can't control. If you are going to be mad at anyone be mad at the korean coaches /sc2 con or whatever for trying to hardball nasl.
I had initially thought this season would end up lackluster and boring, but it appears that NASL has continued to stack their roster with talented, deserving players! :D
I am definitely buying a ticket to support my favorite foreign players!
Maybe they reinvited haypro and alot of underperforming s1 players cos they got screwed over on the second day of casting and now they need reliable players that they have preferably worked with before to make sure that they can get s2 started up asap? So while inviting haypro doesnt make sense from a competition perspective they know hes on team that hasnt had problems travelling internationally and has had good attendance at previous NASL's so hes an easy player to fill spots with.
I dunno much about goody but it seems nasl needs quite a few things to get players in. Such as a team or sponsor, a 500 dollar deposit and proof that they can travel to america for the finals. It seems he could get these but we havent seen that much goody in america.
Ideally you would want qualifiers for s2 but it appears players that play or win qualifiers sometimes have no intent on playing nasl anyways and just troll everybodys time.
On August 28 2011 05:55 Relickey wrote: No koreans? I'm not watching, if I wanted to watch a bunch of mediocre pros(except for maybe 3-4) I'd watch one of the many other amateur tournaments. I was at the NASL finals and one of the greatest things about it was the foreigners fighting the koreans. Now that they took it out, I can't even get hyped for it.
The only one that leaves me scratching my head is the Incontrol and BratOK one. I look forward to watching them this season but they don't seem to be headline players like the others featured in the pictures so far. Also Cold War II?
On August 29 2011 03:54 last.resistance wrote: These announcements have been really well done.
The only one that leaves me scratching my head is the Incontrol and BratOK one. I look forward to watching them this season but they don't seem to be headline players like the others featured in the pictures so far. Also Cold War II?
America Russia you know hype hype hype
Brat_OK also likes his ghosts so maybe we'll see some Nukes but then again maybe not.
You know... this is a tight selection of players, even without Koreans. I think this might end up being a great complement to the GSL. Some regionalization of SC2 is not a bad thing, makes the world wide events all the more special.
On August 27 2011 22:31 Sphaero wrote: Well, I normally don´t jump on the NASL hate train, but I can not help to shake my head at the re-invitation of haypro.
The funny thing is, that I wouldn´t have complained about Goody not returning, because he frankly didn´t deliver in Season 1, because of a slump.
But the way they announced Haypro was for a lack of a better word dumb.
They make a Germany theme and announce the four save germans and instead to announce another save player, who isn´t german, they reinvite a player, who had the same result in season 1 as the only left out german: goody (2-7).
Of course many people will now have one question in mind: Why?
Because of recent results? LMAO no. Haypro seems like the eternal talent. We always hear, how much potential he has, but we see no results. Goody on the other hand wins pretty much half the cups he enters. Just yesterday he won a cup with extreme hard competition (Socke, Darkforce, Tarson, Kas, Beastyqt etc.).
Because of popularity? No. Goody has archived some form of cult status not only in the german but also the international community. He is one of the few foreign pro´s, that has a nickname, that pretty much every one in the community knows and can indentify with him. Hell, he even has a personal song (well kinda ). The most outstanding fact about Haypro? His clantag.
Which leads to the only deciding thing for the reinvitation I can think of: Their teams. Goody is part and by far best player of the relatively unknown (atleast outside germany) clan ESC gaming. Haypro plays for Team liquid, which needs no introduction.
I just hope, that there are other reasons why NASL picked Haypro over Goody (maybe he will be announced later, which would still be bad timing on part of NASL). Because picking Players solely because of their teams is a pretty big fail.
Excellent summary! Goody really is on a roll nowadays, he doesn't even have a TvP weakness anymore and is probably the strongest and most consistent weekly cup player in EU (just read the tournament roundups and you will see Goody near the top every time). Would be a huge shame if he wasn't invited just cause he didn't do so well in Season 1 (when he overall was slumping)...
edit: plus his style is so unique that it can't be replaced.
On August 29 2011 09:23 SkyTheUnknown wrote: Goody, Nerchio, Stephano. Where are these players?
who needs them? we got haypro incontrol and axslav
also LOL and honestly if there wasn't this little quip for each player as to why they were invited I wouldn't have anything bad to say. But really, some of these players are not top tier players. They just have their names out in the community but rarely/never perform well in tournaments and when push comes to shove, nobody would ever bet money on them being successful. I really don't think in a game as highly competitve as SC2 , you should have this group of players up on a pedestal saying "these guys are in! WE DON'T CARE IF 500 OTHER PLAYERS ARE BETTER THAN THEY ARE! THEY ARE PRO GAMERS!"
It reminds me of earlier MLG tournaments where the Halo pro gaming teams were just these lucky guys who were chosen at some point to play in this tournament and would return year after year with no chance for anybody else to qualify.
I think next time you should maybe take the top half of the previous season performances, and then throw the other half into qualifiers with everyone else. And I mean, if you have this long drawn out qualifying system (not single elimination), then you can basically stream that in the offseason, which does not require you to shell out any money. It'd also put some weight behind the whole system as being legit instead of seemingly some kids who were given a giant wad of cash and playing the 'who's popular' game to determine who can win the money.
also this whole convoluted team system is stupid as well, you should stop trying to muddy the waters and make this entire thing transparent. You underestimate your viewership if you think we need name brand players to tune in. We want to see the (proven) best players compete. Take a lesson from GSL where players actually have to earn and prove themselves all the time to stay in the game.
On August 29 2011 17:09 AIOL! wrote: since stephano and nerchio will not participate, i will not follow this tournament =(
do you only follow tournaments they are in?
And Idra will be in, he qualified from last season.
Somehow i cannot imagine Idra getting up in the morning to play it. He might decline the invite for the same reason Thorzain did.
He won't be going to Korea until the end of this year, NASL will probably be over by then. And if Huk is doing it, Idra will. EG will probably make him do it.
On August 29 2011 09:18 Ragoo wrote: Goody really is on a roll nowadays, he doesn't even have a TvP weakness anymore and is probably the strongest and most consistent weekly cup player in EU (just read the tournament roundups and you will see Goody near the top every time). Would be a huge shame if he wasn't invited just cause he didn't do so well in Season 1 (when he overall was slumping)...
edit: plus his style is so unique that it can't be replaced.
If they dont try to invite GoOdy, Stephano and Nerchio they would be stupid. These are the leading EU players. Maybe GoOdy refused to participate, because the NASL hasnt payed back the money from the first season yet. GoOdy should be invited for the reason that his playstyle is unique in the pro world of starcraft 2 and his fanbase is huge here in EU.
Agreed on Goody Nerchio and Stephano. What about LiquidHero? Since Puma is attending I assume he could also attend given that he isnt in a Korean team anymore am I right?
On August 29 2011 21:57 Titorelli wrote: Agreed on Goody Nerchio and Stephano. What about LiquidHero? Since Puma is attending I assume he could also attend given that he isnt in a Korean team anymore am I right?
He has just been announced as one of the players in Season 2.
Oh man i hope this goes well. I like how they are trying to make these awesome backstories with all of the non-foreign players, but without the Koreans, things will be a lot different to say the least
Yeah, Demuslim lost to Lowely in the same round in the qualifying tourney. Bubbles lost to Thorzain in the same round, easily a better player. And while Demuslim may be better than Bubbles now, the fact that neither Thorzain nor Bubbles will be in this league and both Demuslim and Lowely are in this league is mystifying.
On August 27 2011 22:31 Sphaero wrote: Well, I normally don´t jump on the NASL hate train, but I can not help to shake my head at the re-invitation of haypro.
The funny thing is, that I wouldn´t have complained about Goody not returning, because he frankly didn´t deliver in Season 1, because of a slump.
But the way they announced Haypro was for a lack of a better word dumb.
They make a Germany theme and announce the four save germans and instead to announce another save player, who isn´t german, they reinvite a player, who had the same result in season 1 as the only left out german: goody (2-7).
Of course many people will now have one question in mind: Why?
Because of recent results? LMAO no. Haypro seems like the eternal talent. We always hear, how much potential he has, but we see no results. Goody on the other hand wins pretty much half the cups he enters. Just yesterday he won a cup with extreme hard competition (Socke, Darkforce, Tarson, Kas, Beastyqt etc.).
Because of popularity? No. Goody has archived some form of cult status not only in the german but also the international community. He is one of the few foreign pro´s, that has a nickname, that pretty much every one in the community knows and can indentify with him. Hell, he even has a personal song (well kinda ). The most outstanding fact about Haypro? His clantag.
Which leads to the only deciding thing for the reinvitation I can think of: Their teams. Goody is part and by far best player of the relatively unknown (atleast outside germany) clan ESC gaming. Haypro plays for Team liquid, which needs no introduction.
I just hope, that there are other reasons why NASL picked Haypro over Goody (maybe he will be announced later, which would still be bad timing on part of NASL). Because picking Players solely because of their teams is a pretty big fail.
Completely agree. I love Haypro because I love team liquid, but I agree with your logic here and would have rather seen goody. Although with the mech revolution we've seen lately I guess goody's style isn't quite as unique as it once was.
Now that the full list is out, I'll post here to explain some questions some people might have:
40 players?!?!?
Due to what happened, we got put off schedule, we decided to cut the league to 40 players in order for us to be able to actually run the season in our original timeframe -- pushing it back would then put the finals in direct conflict with Christmas, which we can't do. So, it was necessary to cut down on the number of players.
Where's Stephano??!!
He didn't play in any qualifier, nor did anyone from his team, or himself personally reach out to me or express any interest in playing. *NOTE: I didn't reach out to any player who didn't play qualifiers or weren't from Season 1. The only player in the league who is in and didn't attempt to qualify is HuK.
Where's GoOdy
GoOdy had some attendance problems in Season 1 which put him lower on our list of players to ask to participate, which unfortunately put him below the 40 player cutoff.
Where's Nerchio
While Nerchio didn't get an invitation into Season 2, we plan on inviting him to a special event that we will be hosting that will be announced, so you will in fact (if he accepts) be seeing some of him.
Where's Kas
I invited him, but never got a confirmation about his VISA status nor did I get a final confirmation from his manager that he could play.
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I'm not going to explain in detail every choice, but those hopefully will give some insight as to why we chose certain players over others, etc. We hope that you enjoy the player list we've put together and hope you will get ready for Season 2!
Remember, our preseason show is tomorrow and the league will start in about 2 weeks!
On August 30 2011 04:42 Xeris wrote: Now that the full list is out, I'll post here to explain some questions some people might have:
40 players?!?!?
Due to what happened, we got put off schedule, we decided to cut the league to 40 players in order for us to be able to actually run the season in our original timeframe -- pushing it back would then put the finals in direct conflict with Christmas, which we can't do. So, it was necessary to cut down on the number of players.
Where's Stephano??!!
He didn't play in any qualifier, nor did anyone from his team, or himself personally reach out to me or express any interest in playing. *NOTE: I didn't reach out to any player who didn't play qualifiers or weren't from Season 1. The only player in the league who is in and didn't attempt to qualify is HuK.
Where's GoOdy
GoOdy had some attendance problems in Season 1 which put him lower on our list of players to ask to participate, which unfortunately put him below the 40 player cutoff.
Where's Nerchio
While Nerchio didn't get an invitation into Season 2, we plan on inviting him to a special event that we will be hosting that will be announced, so you will in fact (if he accepts) be seeing some of him.
Where's Kas
I invited him, but never got a confirmation about his VISA status nor did I get a final confirmation from his manager that he could play.
....
I'm not going to explain in detail every choice, but those hopefully will give some insight as to why we chose certain players over others, etc. We hope that you enjoy the player list we've put together and hope you will get ready for Season 2!
Remember, our preseason show is tomorrow and the league will start in about 2 weeks!
Make those 4 (if they accept) Auto entrants into the quarterfinals of a qualifier... that would be pretty cool
Yayyy, oh my god, I'm so happy DeMusliM is there! So excited! Go, Ben! Going to root for you like I have never rooted for anyone ever before (not that it will have much impact).
hey, why are there 7 TL players? wasn't there a rule that maximal 5 players from one team can enter? There will be probably atleast 2 TL in one group. If so, you have to let them play the first matches against each other because if they are playing each other in one of the last few matches, it could be match fixing
We will be having a different format for handling the Open Tournament as well. Please stay tuned for announcements about that!
I'm glad you guys are liking the player list we have! I know we couldn't get everyone's favorite player, but we tried our best to get a very compelling and diverse list of talent
On August 30 2011 05:24 Hardigan wrote: hey, why are there 7 TL players? wasn't there a rule that maximal 5 players from one team can enter? There will be probably atleast 2 TL in one group. If so, you have to let them play the first matches against each other because if they are playing each other in one of the last few matches, it could be match fixing
They removed the 5 players/team rule before season 1 started.
No one cries 'watch for match fixing' when team members are in the same MLG pool. Don't see why NASL should be considered any different.
On August 30 2011 05:24 Hardigan wrote: hey, why are there 7 TL players? wasn't there a rule that maximal 5 players from one team can enter? There will be probably atleast 2 TL in one group. If so, you have to let them play the first matches against each other because if they are playing each other in one of the last few matches, it could be match fixing
The rule was dropped even before the beginning of season 1. Liquid is probably one of the least likely teams to be cheating, but nonetheless this is a reasonable precaution and there's no reason not to take it, if only to alleviate possible later problems with angry fans.
Having six Koreans playing in the league should be a nice damper for those annoying "I won't watch if there's no Koreans!!" people - no excuses now. :p
my bad, didn't know about the removing. I just think if the groups are as big as last season, there is a higher chance for matchfixing than at mlg (for example: Player from Team A is undefeated at the first place and he helps his team mate to qualify too, or help him not disqualifying.) But it seems nasl has everything incontrol and has a different format this time.
PS: "TL is probably one of the least likely to be cheating" is not really an argument. Tournaments can't really run on trust.
On August 30 2011 05:41 Hardigan wrote: PS: "TL is probably one of the least likely to be cheating" is not really an argument. Tournaments can't really run on trust.
Of course not. But I wanted to make sure that it is understood that I don't even remotely expect teamliquid to engage in such cheating, while at the same time pointing out that precautionary measures can be sensible for a number of reasons, including ones not related to cheating itself.
People like being emotional & twisting your words, especially on the internet!
On August 30 2011 05:41 Hardigan wrote: my bad, didn't know about the removing. I just think if the groups are as big as last season, there is a higher chance for matchfixing than at mlg (for example: Player from Team A is undefeated at the first place and he helps his team mate to qualify too, or help him not disqualifying.) But it seems nasl has everything incontrol and has a different format this time.
PS: "TL is probably one of the least likely to be cheating" is not really an argument. Tournaments can't really run on trust.
1st it IS an argument tl has the biggest reputation of all teams in sc2 and its a body you can trust to
2nd its everywhere even in soccer worldcup there COULD be manipulation but it just doenst happen (at least not more ^^ smile to germany vs austria ^^) cause of the REPUTATIOn
sc2 will be how much longer there ? 5 years ? 10 ? if you do a matchfixing in one tournament you will be lifetime hated and banned you will be kicked from your team and all that stuff ... no this will not happen man ... look savior and what it does to him
sure you can still say "jaeh but he can play worse if he is already etc" but the players have today more self marketing then team marketing. a win is importent for sponsors etc etc a lose even to a teammate can be a huge dumper
and the chance a player not give 100% after hes out or trough well you will have this problem not only vs teammates but in leagues you will always have this problem. soccer and every other sport as well its just the reputation in the players and ther profiness not to do this
Although I'll miss some of those Koreans that didn't end up playing simply because when I watch I know how skilled they are, I actually find this player list way more compelling and potentially entertaining.
My personal "Korean Fanboyism" is limited to some extent because you really don't get to see the Korean players often enough to develop that type of fan connection. If your favorite Korean player is knocked out of the GSL you might not see him even play for a month.
When I think of my list of favorite players to watch, I probably have to go 4-5 deep before I get to JulyZerg. Most of the players on the list they have for this season are very active in the community, players I've watched since the very start, and from all over the world. The entertainment value for me is going to be much higher with this player list than what it would have been with all the Koreans. Plus I think this setup has the potential to create some more rivalries and storylines.
These guys did a good job with what could have been a messy situation. Sorta wish everyone would take a deep breath and see what NASL brings to the table this season. I think it will be pretty good.
On August 30 2011 05:41 Hardigan wrote: my bad, didn't know about the removing. I just think if the groups are as big as last season, there is a higher chance for matchfixing than at mlg (for example: Player from Team A is undefeated at the first place and he helps his team mate to qualify too, or help him not disqualifying.) But it seems nasl has everything incontrol and has a different format this time.
PS: "TL is probably one of the least likely to be cheating" is not really an argument. Tournaments can't really run on trust.
1st it IS an argument tl has the biggest reputation of all teams in sc2 and its a body you can trust to
2nd its everywhere even in soccer worldcup there COULD be manipulation but it just doenst happen (at least not more ^^ smile to germany vs austria ^^) cause of the REPUTATIOn
sc2 will be how much longer there ? 5 years ? 10 ? if you do a matchfixing in one tournament you will be lifetime hated and banned you will be kicked from your team and all that stuff ... no this will not happen man ... look savior and what it does to him
sure you can still say "jaeh but he can play worse if he is already etc" but the players have today more self marketing then team marketing. a win is importent for sponsors etc etc a lose even to a teammate can be a huge dumper
and the chance a player not give 100% after hes out or trough well you will have this problem not only vs teammates but in leagues you will always have this problem. soccer and every other sport as well its just the reputation in the players and ther profiness not to do this
i still dont get where the problem is to let them play on the first day.
On August 23 2011 07:56 CygNus X-1 wrote: The NASL site is annoying for putting "good" vs "evil" with pictures of Jinro and HuK respectively. Kind of a weird way to "promote" season 2 of NASL...
shit just flew right over your head eh?
ps. I find it really hard to get stoked about the NASL. Theres over a dozen koreans who would completely steamroll this entire player list. I just cant get excited about watching minor league action when theres so many other tournies out there that actually have the BEST players in the world competing.
On August 23 2011 07:56 CygNus X-1 wrote: The NASL site is annoying for putting "good" vs "evil" with pictures of Jinro and HuK respectively. Kind of a weird way to "promote" season 2 of NASL...
shit just flew right over your head eh?
i know eh? dunno why but we canadians sure do say eh a lot :D
Yea weird indeed. I am sure they can do a different approach
On August 30 2011 05:41 Hardigan wrote: my bad, didn't know about the removing. I just think if the groups are as big as last season, there is a higher chance for matchfixing than at mlg (for example: Player from Team A is undefeated at the first place and he helps his team mate to qualify too, or help him not disqualifying.) But it seems nasl has everything incontrol and has a different format this time.
PS: "TL is probably one of the least likely to be cheating" is not really an argument. Tournaments can't really run on trust.
1st it IS an argument tl has the biggest reputation of all teams in sc2 and its a body you can trust to
2nd its everywhere even in soccer worldcup there COULD be manipulation but it just doenst happen (at least not more ^^ smile to germany vs austria ^^) cause of the REPUTATIOn
sc2 will be how much longer there ? 5 years ? 10 ? if you do a matchfixing in one tournament you will be lifetime hated and banned you will be kicked from your team and all that stuff ... no this will not happen man ... look savior and what it does to him
sure you can still say "jaeh but he can play worse if he is already etc" but the players have today more self marketing then team marketing. a win is importent for sponsors etc etc a lose even to a teammate can be a huge dumper
and the chance a player not give 100% after hes out or trough well you will have this problem not only vs teammates but in leagues you will always have this problem. soccer and every other sport as well its just the reputation in the players and ther profiness not to do this
what happens if you have [QWE]-tim and [QWE]-tom in one group. The last match is Tim against Tom with Tim beeing in the first place undefeated and already qualified to advance and Tom just needs one win to also advance. Now we have also [asdf]-Tam (yeah, sry about the names) who is qualified if Tom loses his next match. If Tim now plays extreamly sloppy against Tom and Tom wins the match, guess what Tam, his Team and all his fans will say, whether the sloppy play is intentional or not.
Apparently only 40 in this season which seems odd. I would have thought they would've filled all 50 slots. There's certainly players with greater skill than some in the league who'd love to be in.
Nice to see DeMuslim in though, he did great at MLG.
On August 30 2011 06:06 ScyHigh wrote: Last 5: DeMuslim, Moonglade, Idra, Vibe, Ret.
Apparently only 40 in this season which seems odd. I would have thought they would've filled all 50 slots. There's certainly players with greater skill than some in the league who'd love to be in.
Nice to see DeMuslim in though, he did great at MLG.
Well if you would go back a couple of pages you would know the reason why.
On August 30 2011 06:06 ScyHigh wrote: Last 5: DeMuslim, Moonglade, Idra, Vibe, Ret.
Apparently only 40 in this season which seems odd. I would have thought they would've filled all 50 slots. There's certainly players with greater skill than some in the league who'd love to be in.
Nice to see DeMuslim in though, he did great at MLG.
People who just post stuff without looking into what they are talking about is annoying
On August 23 2011 07:56 CygNus X-1 wrote: The NASL site is annoying for putting "good" vs "evil" with pictures of Jinro and HuK respectively. Kind of a weird way to "promote" season 2 of NASL...
shit just flew right over your head eh?
ps. I find it really hard to get stoked about the NASL. Theres over a dozen koreans who would completely steamroll this entire player list. I just cant get excited about watching minor league action when theres so many other tournies out there that actually have the BEST players in the world competing.
Outside of GSL which other tournaments have managed to get the "BEST IN THE WORLD" constantly competing? This is a pretty damn good list, no tournament outside the GSL has gotten all the best together either.
I would compare it to watching college football vs. the NFL in my mind. Both are equally entertaining. There are plenty of good players and accomplished players on the list, there are Koreans, Swedes, Players training in Korea etc. Sounds to me anything less than the GSL would leave you unsatisfied.
The funny thing is, I bet if we took high level matches from Season 2 of the NASL, and matches from this season of the GSL and made someone watch and didn't tell them that one was the NASL and one was the GSL you wouldn't know the difference. Some of the "minor leaguers" have given us the most entertaining games ever. The GSL hasn't even produced an entertaining finals yet. Sometimes to the point I find watching Korean players boring. I appreciate the skill level and precision, but mistakes and imperfect play also lead to some of the best SC2 games ever. That compared to watching 2 Koreans and its like, "Oh he made one extra drone at the 4 minute mark and that is why he lost at the 10 minute mark."
Really like the lineup of players taking place of the Koreans, honestly I find myself being more interested in NASL now with the recent influx of top NA/EU players... maybe it's because I follow the NA/EU scene more and know the players better, but yeah, looking like there will be some amazing games.
nice line up excited to see how dimaga does i feel like he has potential to win it all, disappointed they didnt invite Stephano who in my opinion is the best foreigner atm.
Am I the only one who wanted to see Artosis again? And by god, it's been ages since I've seen Day[9] play.. Would be cool if NASL or some other small tourney would organize a sc2 caster/commentator/icon division. One can dream..
Sorry, if though this site is teamliquid, I just cannot understand why you would include Tyler or Haypro over him. Okay, Tyler won a set more than him and Haypros game difference is one point better than his. But they were in three different groups so you cannot really compare that so in detail. On the other hand, NASL has stated that they do consider recent results (see qxc, softball, etc) and GoOdy's recent results outshine the other two by far.
On August 30 2011 18:18 JustPassingBy wrote: so my fears were true... no GoOdy... <.<
Sorry, if though this site is teamliquid, I just cannot understand why you would include Tyler or Haypro over him. Okay, Tyler won a set more than him and Haypros game difference is one point better than his. But they were in three different groups so you cannot really compare that so in detail. On the other hand, NASL has stated that they do consider recent results (see qxc, softball, etc) and GoOdy's recent results outshine the other two by far.
a) goody was in season 1 one didn't qualify for season 2 b) goody is far from beeing a top progamer. I don't even understand why he got invited in the first place c) he did't produce any results lately
On August 30 2011 18:18 JustPassingBy wrote: so my fears were true... no GoOdy... <.<
Sorry, if though this site is teamliquid, I just cannot understand why you would include Tyler or Haypro over him. Okay, Tyler won a set more than him and Haypros game difference is one point better than his. But they were in three different groups so you cannot really compare that so in detail. On the other hand, NASL has stated that they do consider recent results (see qxc, softball, etc) and GoOdy's recent results outshine the other two by far.
a) goody was in season 1 one didn't qualify for season 2 b) goody is far from beeing a top progamer. I don't even understand why he got invited in the first place c) he did't produce any results lately
On August 30 2011 18:18 JustPassingBy wrote: so my fears were true... no GoOdy... <.<
Sorry, if though this site is teamliquid, I just cannot understand why you would include Tyler or Haypro over him. Okay, Tyler won a set more than him and Haypros game difference is one point better than his. But they were in three different groups so you cannot really compare that so in detail. On the other hand, NASL has stated that they do consider recent results (see qxc, softball, etc) and GoOdy's recent results outshine the other two by far.
a) goody was in season 1 one didn't qualify for season 2 b) goody is far from beeing a top progamer. I don't even understand why he got invited in the first place c) he did't produce any results lately
You kind of have to take in consideration the kinds of tournaments those players competed in. The tournaments Goody placed in had much weaker in competition, prestige, and prize money.
Your original argument even pointed out that despite Tyler and Haypro slightly outperforming Goody in NASL they were in different groups, so why the double standard on tournament results?
Besides how do you even know if Goody just didn't want to go back for whatever reason? Nani seemed to have problems with it, it's not inconceivable that other pro players do as well.
On August 30 2011 18:18 JustPassingBy wrote: so my fears were true... no GoOdy... <.<
Sorry, if though this site is teamliquid, I just cannot understand why you would include Tyler or Haypro over him. Okay, Tyler won a set more than him and Haypros game difference is one point better than his. But they were in three different groups so you cannot really compare that so in detail. On the other hand, NASL has stated that they do consider recent results (see qxc, softball, etc) and GoOdy's recent results outshine the other two by far.
a) goody was in season 1 one didn't qualify for season 2 b) goody is far from beeing a top progamer. I don't even understand why he got invited in the first place c) he did't produce any results lately
You kind of have to take in consideration the kinds of tournaments those players competed in. The tournaments Goody placed in had much weaker in competition, prestige, and prize money.
Your original argument even pointed out that despite Tyler and Haypro slightly outperforming Goody in NASL they were in different groups, so why the double standard on tournament results?
Besides how do you even know if Goody just didn't want to go back for whatever reason? Nani seemed to have problems with it, it's not inconceivable that other pro players do as well.
Hm, I don't get the double standard thing, I am just pointing out facts:
- Tyler and Haypro slightly outperforming GoOdy in the NASL, though different groups. - GoOdy outperforming them in recent tournaments results by far (Tyler has no tournament medals at all, Haypro's last tournament medal was in January, while GoOdy won over half a dozen cups just last month.) - NASL takes recent accomplishments into considering (see qxc, softball, HwangSin)
So they basically say that GoOdy's impressive performance lately does not outweight the better performance of Tyler or even the miniscule (repeat: one scoredifference better, same number of won sets) better performance of both Haypro in the NASL, which I kind of find unreasonable.
Double Standards? Uhm.. Goody plays a ton of tournaments and does extremly well. Tyler did decent in MLG's open bracket and.. yeah... Depending on which players you hit in the MLG open bracket it isn't harder then a weekly cup (if you don't hit a korean)... Just click on them and look at the players there. I just checked Tylers open bracket run at Raleigh... He beat a grand total of 1 name that rang a small bell for me (Inka) and then lost to Hero, after that he just won against ostojiy, which is only known for being invited to the Blizzcon NA qualifier and Incontrol daring to make fun of him... What a staggering run, what a tough field!... ...
But well... No worth arguing this anyway and we don't know if he actually wanted to play . It will still be an awesome season :D.
But anyway, it's pretty simple: If Haypro wouldn't be on TL, he would most probably not be in the NASL. If Tyler wouldn't be from NA and/or on TL, he would most probably not be in the NASL.
Oh, another little fact: If you take the Koreans out of the MLG the competition there is not anything in anyway special when compared to other medium/big tournaments. Whiteout the koreans, at least at raleigh, the competition would have been pretty weak.
Naniwa not competing cos of personal reasons? with so many koreans not likely to return, some foreigners could actually pull an upset here and not let top 6 go to korea again -_-
Hopefully, a few Koreans, maybe some from FXO, TL or EG etc will show up... But it was kinda weird cuz of lag-issues, so I'm not too sad and will definitely watch it!^^
You guys should consider popularity as well. NASL wants ratings and they want people to buy subs. Goody is surely a popular player but nowhere near as popular as Tyler and Haypro. They are all three good players but notoriety does mean something in the SC2 community.
Granted I'm a little biased, Tyler has been my favorite player since he was rocking nony as his tag, but still, not inviting Tyler would be way more offensive to way more people than not inviting goody. Tyler and Haypro are super popular and that does count for something.
Tyler, yes sure, NA factor, state of the game, popularity, community guy.... I get that. I like him too and i'm kinda sad he is not doing better and hope that will change (or he retires and focusses on some community thing...).
But Haypro? Aside from his clantag? Why and how is he "deserving" his spot more than A LOT of others?
On August 30 2011 19:19 ThatGuy89 wrote: Naniwa not competing cos of personal reasons? with so many koreans not likely to return, some foreigners could actually pull an upset here and not let top 6 go to korea again -_-
Puma Hero Rain?
These two are without korean training: Moonan? Select?
Koreans won't dominate top 6, there won't be even 6 koreans......
On August 30 2011 18:18 JustPassingBy wrote: so my fears were true... no GoOdy... <.<
Sorry, if though this site is teamliquid, I just cannot understand why you would include Tyler or Haypro over him. Okay, Tyler won a set more than him and Haypros game difference is one point better than his. But they were in three different groups so you cannot really compare that so in detail. On the other hand, NASL has stated that they do consider recent results (see qxc, softball, etc) and GoOdy's recent results outshine the other two by far.
a) goody was in season 1 one didn't qualify for season 2 b) goody is far from beeing a top progamer. I don't even understand why he got invited in the first place c) he did't produce any results lately
You kind of have to take in consideration the kinds of tournaments those players competed in. The tournaments Goody placed in had much weaker in competition, prestige, and prize money.
That's simply not true. Most of EU's weekly online cups are at least as hard as the open bracket at MLG (apart from the one or two top Koreans in it maybe), which is the only tournament i saw Tyler competing in lately. In pretty much all of Goody's successful tournament runs, he has beaten one or more players, that are way superior to anyone Tyler won against at MLG.
Well the "Liquid" tag carries a lot of weight, just as the EG tag does.
You are right, Goody deserves a spot in NASL. Other players deserve spots as well. Some of the players that got invited probably deserve it less than others. This is who the NASL has picked though and that's who we get to see compete in some awesome sc2 action over the course of 2+ months.
I'm *sure* the NASL wishes they could invite every deserving player, but they just can't. And who knows, if they have the open tournament again, maybe Goody can play through that and still be in the final bracket.
Some very strong europeans not included, where's nerchio, stephano, goody, Kas, ToD, elfi, beastyqt, happy, tarson (not to mention naniwa, thorzain, sase - but they may have declined)? Pity, NASL had a chance to make the strongest "outside-of-korea" tournament of all. It's still good, but it could have been great.
I cannot wait think this will be just as good as previous seasons even without the Koreans not entering, hopefully will be a kick ass the backside for the Europeans and Americans to start producing better results!!!
On August 30 2011 18:18 JustPassingBy wrote: so my fears were true... no GoOdy... <.<
Sorry, if though this site is teamliquid, I just cannot understand why you would include Tyler or Haypro over him. Okay, Tyler won a set more than him and Haypros game difference is one point better than his. But they were in three different groups so you cannot really compare that so in detail. On the other hand, NASL has stated that they do consider recent results (see qxc, softball, etc) and GoOdy's recent results outshine the other two by far.
a) goody was in season 1 one didn't qualify for season 2 b) goody is far from beeing a top progamer. I don't even understand why he got invited in the first place c) he did't produce any results lately
You kind of have to take in consideration the kinds of tournaments those players competed in. The tournaments Goody placed in had much weaker in competition, prestige, and prize money.
Well, he beat plenty of players of the nasl in those tournaments (some of the repeatedly). Besides, competing in a tournament means nothing, finishing high does. And most of those cups were online tournaments open to anybody.
On August 30 2011 20:02 stfouri wrote: S2 actually starting to look better than S1 :o?!
You right. They should ban Blizzards games in Korea, ESPORTS would bloom then...
wtf that makes no sense.
S2 without Boxer looking better???
Yes the overall quality of player seems better.
No Thorzain, no nani, no koreans. For positive side no grubby, no artosis, no painuser.
To be fair, there are six Koreans, no?
four koreans, I doubt they invite Moonan.
Hwangsin Hero Puma Rain Select Moonan
They've already confirmed Moonan a couple days ago. The full 40 player list is on the nasl site, not sure why the OP stopped updating halfway through the announcements. >_>
On August 30 2011 18:18 JustPassingBy wrote: so my fears were true... no GoOdy... <.<
Sorry, if though this site is teamliquid, I just cannot understand why you would include Tyler or Haypro over him. Okay, Tyler won a set more than him and Haypros game difference is one point better than his. But they were in three different groups so you cannot really compare that so in detail. On the other hand, NASL has stated that they do consider recent results (see qxc, softball, etc) and GoOdy's recent results outshine the other two by far.
a) goody was in season 1 one didn't qualify for season 2 b) goody is far from beeing a top progamer. I don't even understand why he got invited in the first place c) he did't produce any results lately
GoOdy beats nearly every announced season 2 player in the last two month: White-Ra, Strelok, Dimaga, Brat_OK, MoMaN, MaNa,TLO,DarKFoRcE, Socke, HasuObs, Haypro,MorroW, IdrA, LoWeLy, NightEnD, SjoW.
GoOdy is in siege mode at the moment and at least TOP5 in EU. Look how good Sjow performed @ MLG and he could not win any match against GoOdy in the last months. And GoOdy has one of the largest fanbases in EU due to his playstyle. Without GoOdy, Stephano and Nerchio NASL is missing the top EU players. Looks like an easy way to victory for the remaining korean players.
What I want to know is why Haypro was re-invited over Cloud and Slush (who both finished season 1 above him). I can't recall any problems with attendance/reliability, and I don't think Haypro had a particularly good run in the qualifier (lost early to choya).
Was it him signing up for the season 2 qualifier that put him above the other two or did Cloud and Slush decline the invitation?
My apologies if Xeris already answered this earlier in the thread.
edit: Inviting Haypro over Goody makes sense when you adhere to season 1 results, which NASL has done so far.
On August 30 2011 20:53 Atrimex wrote: GoOdy is in siege mode at the moment and at least TOP5 in EU. Look how good Sjow performed @ MLG and he could not win any match against GoOdy in the last months. And GoOdy has one of the largest fanbases in EU due to his playstyle. Without GoOdy, Stephano and Nerchio NASL is missing the top EU players. Looks like an easy way to victory for the remaining korean players.
I´m also not happy, that Goody was not invited (just look at my last post in this thread), but the bolded part is simply not true.
Don´t get me wrong, Goody, Stephano and Nerchio are all amazing players, but that doesn´t mean that they are on a different level than the other top euros. What makes Stephano or Nerchio better than Ret, who won the EU bnet inv. or Dimaga, who took down the assembly?
I truly believe, that any of the five best players of each race in EU can take a series of another one. That makes the EU scene so exciting, because you can not really predict the results.
And if I look at the current top Euros, which are IMO (in no particular order):
Terran: Kas, Goody, Strelok, Thorzain, Sjow Protoss: Naniwa, Socke, White-ra, Hasuobs, Mana Zerg: Nerchio, Ret, Stephano, Darkforce, Dimaga
then only six of them are missing in the NASL, which makes it the most staked tournament after the dreamhack.
It will be by no means a walk in the park for the Koreans. Are they the favourites? Sure. Can and will upsets happen? You can bet on it.
edit: Inviting Haypro over Goody makes sense when you adhere to season 1 results, which NASL has done so far.
GoOdy has not been invited to season 2 because of some attendance problems in Season 1 due to overlapping events like dreamhack. However, not only GoOdy had this problems and in general, GoOdy is one of more reliable players in sc2.
On August 30 2011 20:53 Atrimex wrote: GoOdy is in siege mode at the moment and at least TOP5 in EU. Look how good Sjow performed @ MLG and he could not win any match against GoOdy in the last months. And GoOdy has one of the largest fanbases in EU due to his playstyle. Without GoOdy, Stephano and Nerchio NASL is missing the top EU players. Looks like an easy way to victory for the remaining korean players.
I´m also not happy, that Goody was not invited (just look at my last post in this thread), but the bolded part is simply not true.
Don´t get me wrong, Goody, Stephano and Nerchio are all amazing players, but that doesn´t mean that they are on a different level than the other top euros. What makes Stephano or Nerchio better than Ret, who won the EU bnet inv. or Dimaga, who took down the assembly?
I truly believe, that any of the five best players of each race in EU can take a series of another one. That makes the EU scene so exciting, because you can not really predict the results.
And if I look at the current top Euros, which are IMO (in no particular order):
Terran: Kas, Goody, Strelok, Thorzain, Sjow Protoss: Naniwa, Socke, White-ra, Hasuobs, Mana Zerg: Nerchio, Ret, Stephano, Darkforce, Dimaga
then only six of them are missing in the NASL, which makes it the most staked tournament after the dreamhack.
It will be by no means a walk in the park for the Koreans. Are they the favourites? Sure. Can and will upsets happen? You can bet on it.
You are right. However, somehow my feeling is that especially Stephano and GoOdy had the potenial to take some games from the korean players. While its obvious that NASL has to invite this mediocre NA Players, I dont understand why they choose some of the medicore EU players over players like GoOdy & Stephano without a good reason.
On August 30 2011 22:33 Atrimex wrote: You are right. However, somehow my feeling is that especially Stephano and GoOdy had the potenial to take some games from the korean players. While its obvious that NASL has to invite this mediocre NA Players, I dont understand why they choose some of the medicore EU players over players like GoOdy & Stephano without a good reason.
Behold, the power of reading. (Also: YAY DIMAGA and DeMusliM!)
On August 30 2011 04:42 Xeris wrote: Now that the full list is out, I'll post here to explain some questions some people might have:
40 players?!?!?
Due to what happened, we got put off schedule, we decided to cut the league to 40 players in order for us to be able to actually run the season in our original timeframe -- pushing it back would then put the finals in direct conflict with Christmas, which we can't do. So, it was necessary to cut down on the number of players.
Where's Stephano??!!
He didn't play in any qualifier, nor did anyone from his team, or himself personally reach out to me or express any interest in playing. *NOTE: I didn't reach out to any player who didn't play qualifiers or weren't from Season 1. The only player in the league who is in and didn't attempt to qualify is HuK.
Where's GoOdy
GoOdy had some attendance problems in Season 1 which put him lower on our list of players to ask to participate, which unfortunately put him below the 40 player cutoff.
Where's Nerchio
While Nerchio didn't get an invitation into Season 2, we plan on inviting him to a special event that we will be hosting that will be announced, so you will in fact (if he accepts) be seeing some of him.
Where's Kas
I invited him, but never got a confirmation about his VISA status nor did I get a final confirmation from his manager that he could play.
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I'm not going to explain in detail every choice, but those hopefully will give some insight as to why we chose certain players over others, etc. We hope that you enjoy the player list we've put together and hope you will get ready for Season 2!
Remember, our preseason show is tomorrow and the league will start in about 2 weeks!
edit: Inviting Haypro over Goody makes sense when you adhere to season 1 results, which NASL has done so far.
Yup, although honestly, unlike some people who believe that Season 1/Open/Qualifier results should be stuck to...I believe Season 2 should have and have every right to be an invitational tournament. NASL was put in a difficult position and had every right to deviate from their open and qualifier results to make up for any talent that they lost, as it would be better overall for their league.
While I am incredibly excited to see some of the players, others I feel like shouldn't even be in the league (HayprO, qxc, Tyler being some). Their addition makes sense, I just don't like it and would have preferred they they reached out to players that haven't been interested in NASL before.
But either way, stacked tournament. I wish there were still a teeny bit more Koreans (MC, Moon, July at least) but am indifferent to the absence of the rest of them.
And I'm excited to see who will go into the Open/Qualifiers this season and how season 3 will look.
On August 30 2011 22:33 Atrimex wrote: You are right. However, somehow my feeling is that especially Stephano and GoOdy had the potenial to take some games from the korean players. While its obvious that NASL has to invite this mediocre NA Players, I dont understand why they choose some of the medicore EU players over players like GoOdy & Stephano without a good reason.
Behold, the power of reading. (Also: YAY DIMAGA and DeMusliM!)
All say said is that they dont conntact Stephano because noone from Team Millenium has conntact them first (therefore tarson is also out), that GoOdy is somehow not reliable enough (what sounds like a joke in my eyes) and that Nerchio maybe plays another event (what not really explains why he can not attend season 2). I am not sure if we can call this good reasons. Whatever, its their event so they choose the players and its nice that they at least tried to explain their choice.
On August 30 2011 20:53 Atrimex wrote: GoOdy is in siege mode at the moment and at least TOP5 in EU. Look how good Sjow performed @ MLG and he could not win any match against GoOdy in the last months. And GoOdy has one of the largest fanbases in EU due to his playstyle. Without GoOdy, Stephano and Nerchio NASL is missing the top EU players. Looks like an easy way to victory for the remaining korean players.
I´m also not happy, that Goody was not invited (just look at my last post in this thread), but the bolded part is simply not true.
Don´t get me wrong, Goody, Stephano and Nerchio are all amazing players, but that doesn´t mean that they are on a different level than the other top euros. What makes Stephano or Nerchio better than Ret, who won the EU bnet inv. or Dimaga, who took down the assembly?
I truly believe, that any of the five best players of each race in EU can take a series of another one. That makes the EU scene so exciting, because you can not really predict the results.
And if I look at the current top Euros, which are IMO (in no particular order):
Terran: Kas, Goody, Strelok, Thorzain, Sjow Protoss: Naniwa, Socke, White-ra, Hasuobs, Mana Zerg: Nerchio, Ret, Stephano, Darkforce, Dimaga
then only six of them are missing in the NASL, which makes it the most staked tournament after the dreamhack.
It will be by no means a walk in the park for the Koreans. Are they the favourites? Sure. Can and will upsets happen? You can bet on it.
Mhm, you are really missing some Terran monsters: Brat_Ok Tarson Demuslim(if he still counts) Beastyqt.
I think NASL is doing a great job replacing the Koreans so far, though we still need Artosis back! We haven't seen any Artosis play for a really long time, I bet he changed races yet again. Would really like to see what he has been up to play wise despite only playing on weekends.
On August 30 2011 18:18 JustPassingBy wrote: so my fears were true... no GoOdy... <.<
Sorry, if though this site is teamliquid, I just cannot understand why you would include Tyler or Haypro over him. Okay, Tyler won a set more than him and Haypros game difference is one point better than his. But they were in three different groups so you cannot really compare that so in detail. On the other hand, NASL has stated that they do consider recent results (see qxc, softball, etc) and GoOdy's recent results outshine the other two by far.
a) goody was in season 1 one didn't qualify for season 2 b) goody is far from beeing a top progamer. I don't even understand why he got invited in the first place c) he did't produce any results lately
GoOdy beats nearly every announced season 2 player in the last two month: White-Ra, Strelok, Dimaga, Brat_OK, MoMaN, MaNa,TLO,DarKFoRcE, Socke, HasuObs, Haypro,MorroW, IdrA, LoWeLy, NightEnD, SjoW.
GoOdy is in siege mode at the moment and at least TOP5 in EU. Look how good Sjow performed @ MLG and he could not win any match against GoOdy in the last months. And GoOdy has one of the largest fanbases in EU due to his playstyle. Without GoOdy, Stephano and Nerchio NASL is missing the top EU players. Looks like an easy way to victory for the remaining korean players.
On August 30 2011 20:53 Atrimex wrote: GoOdy is in siege mode at the moment and at least TOP5 in EU. Look how good Sjow performed @ MLG and he could not win any match against GoOdy in the last months. And GoOdy has one of the largest fanbases in EU due to his playstyle. Without GoOdy, Stephano and Nerchio NASL is missing the top EU players. Looks like an easy way to victory for the remaining korean players.
I´m also not happy, that Goody was not invited (just look at my last post in this thread), but the bolded part is simply not true.
Don´t get me wrong, Goody, Stephano and Nerchio are all amazing players, but that doesn´t mean that they are on a different level than the other top euros. What makes Stephano or Nerchio better than Ret, who won the EU bnet inv. or Dimaga, who took down the assembly?
I truly believe, that any of the five best players of each race in EU can take a series of another one. That makes the EU scene so exciting, because you can not really predict the results.
And if I look at the current top Euros, which are IMO (in no particular order):
Terran: Kas, Goody, Strelok, Thorzain, Sjow Protoss: Naniwa, Socke, White-ra, Hasuobs, Mana Zerg: Nerchio, Ret, Stephano, Darkforce, Dimaga
then only six of them are missing in the NASL, which makes it the most staked tournament after the dreamhack.
It will be by no means a walk in the park for the Koreans. Are they the favourites? Sure. Can and will upsets happen? You can bet on it.
This list is kind of missing TLO and Tarson. And I am sure more good players.
On August 30 2011 21:26 Bobster wrote: edit: Inviting Haypro over Goody makes sense when you adhere to season 1 results, which NASL has done so far.
It makes sense, if they would adhere to season 1 results only. but they also invite people based on recent success. and the over half a dozen gold medals goody collected in the past month outweigh Haypro's 0 gold medals for the last half of a year far more, than just one point difference in the game difference.
edit: Anyways, we'll see at the end of the season, how things turned out.
On August 30 2011 04:42 Xeris wrote: Now that the full list is out, I'll post here to explain some questions some people might have:
40 players?!?!?
Due to what happened, we got put off schedule, we decided to cut the league to 40 players in order for us to be able to actually run the season in our original timeframe -- pushing it back would then put the finals in direct conflict with Christmas, which we can't do. So, it was necessary to cut down on the number of players.
Where's Stephano??!!
He didn't play in any qualifier, nor did anyone from his team, or himself personally reach out to me or express any interest in playing. *NOTE: I didn't reach out to any player who didn't play qualifiers or weren't from Season 1. The only player in the league who is in and didn't attempt to qualify is HuK.
Where's GoOdy
GoOdy had some attendance problems in Season 1 which put him lower on our list of players to ask to participate, which unfortunately put him below the 40 player cutoff.
Where's Nerchio
While Nerchio didn't get an invitation into Season 2, we plan on inviting him to a special event that we will be hosting that will be announced, so you will in fact (if he accepts) be seeing some of him.
Where's Kas
I invited him, but never got a confirmation about his VISA status nor did I get a final confirmation from his manager that he could play.
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I'm not going to explain in detail every choice, but those hopefully will give some insight as to why we chose certain players over others, etc. We hope that you enjoy the player list we've put together and hope you will get ready for Season 2!
Remember, our preseason show is tomorrow and the league will start in about 2 weeks!
So what exactly is your explanation on Nerchio? You gave none. Who cares about the special event, it probably has a very small prize pool compared to the main tournament.
On August 30 2011 21:26 Bobster wrote: edit: Inviting Haypro over Goody makes sense when you adhere to season 1 results, which NASL has done so far.
It makes sense, if they would adhere to season 1 results only. but they also invite people based on recent success. and the over half a dozen gold medals goody collected in the past month outweigh Haypro's 0 gold medals for the last half of a year far more, than just one point difference in the game difference.
edit: Anyways, we'll see at the end of the season, how things turned out.
Haypro winning the NASL2 would be at least some fun.
Didn't both sixjax dde and FXO sC qualify from season 1? I don't see them in groups. They got snubbed by eliminated players sixjax ViBe, FXO qxc, Liquid HayprO, or Liquid Tyler. Update: sc withdrew due to health issues Update: DDE couldn't play due to school conflicts.
Also instead of some of those 12 new invites I would of preferred these players: They could of invited Nerchio, Stephano, MajOr, GoOdy, SaSe, XiGua, NamhciR, and Tarson. Instead of maybe those 4 mentioned above. Update: Nerchio, Stephano, & GoOdy explanations http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257962¤tpage=32#637
Dimaga, Huk, and Jinro are well deserved. Lowely qualified
I question the invite of these 4: SoftBall, iNkA, HwangSin, and DeMusliM.
Still would love an explanation about no MajOr, GoOdy, SaSe, XiGua, NamhciR, and Tarson.
On September 01 2011 01:44 Coach wrote: Didn't both sixjax dde and FXO sC qualify from season 1? I don't see them in groups. They got snubbed by eliminated players sixjax ViBe, FXO qxc, Liquid HayprO, or Liquid Tyler. Update: sc withdrew due to health issues Update: DDE couldn't play due to school conflicts.
Also instead of some of those 12 new invites I would of preferred these players: They could of invited Nerchio, Stephano, MajOr, GoOdy, SaSe, XiGua, NamhciR, and Tarson. Instead of maybe those 4 mentioned above. Update: Nerchio, Stephano, & GoOdy explanations http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257962¤tpage=32#637
Dimaga, Huk, and Jinro are well deserved. Lowely qualified
I question the invite of these 4: SoftBall, iNkA, HwangSin, and DeMusliM.
Still would love an explanation about no MajOr, GoOdy, SaSe, XiGua, NamhciR, and Tarson.
No Latin or Chinese love baby.
Not sure how you can question inka, hwangsin, or demuslim... they all got within 1 round of qualifying legitimately, and all lost to Koreans who are now out of the league.
On August 30 2011 20:59 ProxySilmaril wrote: what about Grubby??
Placed too low in season 1 (#47).
So did QXC and both players have improved since then. By this reasoning, I could raise question to a number of other players, including Slush, Drewbie, KawaiiRice and Cloud since QXC, Haypro and Tyler were let back in.
This goes further to a host of other players from the qualifiers that were ignored including Time, Minigun, Major, Bubbles, Spades and Nerchio(saying he's in another event doesn't explain why he's not in the regular season unless players from the regular season can't compete in that).
So yeah, I'm pretty disappointed that we essentially have to go through the same thing we did at the conclusion of the season 1 picks, as I hoped everything would have been filtered or earned as the seasons progressed but this is a massive setback.
I still think that holding another qualifier would have been better, but oh well... Really disappointed.
The race balance was done nicely with each group consisting of 3/3/2 also the teams were balanced fairly. Only team that is pretty much unavoidable is Liquid since they have so many members participating. Only change I would of probably have done was put Sheth and HerO alone in different groups rather then having HayprO and Jinro alone. HayprO and Jinro could of been paired up instead.
Also two free agents that should be able to find a team anytime soon are Fenix and mOOnGLaDe.
Maybe Liquid Fenix and Liquid mOOnGLaDe imo. They need to reach out to Latin America and Southeast Asia continent players.
Liquid`Fenix & Liquid`mOOnGLaDe sounds nice to me though. Plus they can use another terran user. Both players respectably are the best from their individual country. Should qualify for future WCG and/or BlizzCon.
On September 01 2011 01:44 Coach wrote: Didn't both sixjax dde and FXO sC qualify from season 1? I don't see them in groups. They got snubbed by eliminated players sixjax ViBe, FXO qxc, Liquid HayprO, or Liquid Tyler. Update: sc withdrew due to health issues Update: DDE couldn't play due to school conflicts.
Also instead of some of those 12 new invites I would of preferred these players: They could of invited Nerchio, Stephano, MajOr, GoOdy, SaSe, XiGua, NamhciR, and Tarson. Instead of maybe those 4 mentioned above. Update: Nerchio, Stephano, & GoOdy explanations http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257962¤tpage=32#637
Dimaga, Huk, and Jinro are well deserved. Lowely qualified
I question the invite of these 4: SoftBall, iNkA, HwangSin, and DeMusliM.
Still would love an explanation about no MajOr, GoOdy, SaSe, XiGua, NamhciR, and Tarson.
No Latin or Chinese love baby.
nasl.tv stated in another thread that they tried to contact XiGua to play but were unable to reach him. SaSe would be interesting but my guess is he wouldn't play given his current circumstances. I'm not sure you could make the argument that Tarson/Namhcir are better than who they have now. And who knows whatever happens with MajOr lol.
I don't understand why people keep clamoring for Goody. He had attendance problems which is an automatic no-no. And he didn't do very well in the league either.
I don't understand why people keep clamoring for Goody.
Because he is one of the best players in EU? Because of his unique playstyle? Because we love to see the rage quits by all the "I am the superior player"-guys? Because he deserved it for entertaining us nearly every day with great games? Because he gives us the feeling that at least sometimes you can win without playing like a machine?
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