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MoriyaGXP
Korea (South)240 Posts
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Buff Terrans
Germany75 Posts
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Luepert
United States1934 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
Also SlayerS is acting very similar to EG, they have some homegrown talent but outside of MMA none of them have been top-tier (Alicia is close), you can't argue that SlayerS has really developed their own talent when three of their best players (CoCa, Taeja, and Puzzle) are poached from other squads (or one other squad lol). Very similar to EG (which hasn't really developed any talent lol, maybe except Axslav and Idra-ishish) | ||
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Swiftly
Iceland160 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 21 2011 03:55 red4ce wrote: *sigh* And to think Slayers used to be a team you could cheer for. I suppose it was inevitable that Slayers would become the SC2 version of SKT. Hopefully their fate will be more like KT: forever losing despite all the big names they got from other teams, and only winning when their homegrown players stepped it up. They have the money, why shouldn't they do something like this? It's good for their team, especially since they haven't really developed strong non-Terran talent at all (Alicia semi-excluded, but losing to ToD at MLG isn't exactly awe-inspiring, and results have been somewhat disappointing) Though I'll commend you for sticking to your morals (although I disagree with your standards), too many people are criticizing EG while praising SlayerS for doing the same thing. Personally I think both should be looked upon for improving the scene, but at least you're consistent in your criticism. Before someone comes in and says SlayerS has a lot more home-grown talent than EG... really? They have "more", but they also have a crapload more players (not including those who have flamed out and aren't on the team anymore)... and if you look... EG has more money than foreign teams, but isn't miles ahead (though it is a noticeable difference when you compare EG to something like Liquid, but maybe not so much when you compare to Dignitas)... SlayerS is miles ahead of pretty much every other Korean team in terms of sponsorship (except potentially IM) so it's not even a contest. | ||
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starstorm
64 Posts
On August 21 2011 04:20 FairForever wrote: Absolutely nothing wrong with CoCa and Puzzle leaving for SlayerS (assuming there's no contract), but considering this seems similar to the PuMa incident I think people need to take the same standpoint with EG (not just absolve SlayerS because they're a much more popular and well-liked team, which admittedly they are). Also SlayerS is acting very similar to EG, they have some homegrown talent but outside of MMA none of them have been top-tier (Alicia is close), you can't argue that SlayerS has really developed their own talent when three of their best players (CoCa, Taeja, and Puzzle) are poached from other squads (or one other squad lol). Very similar to EG (which hasn't really developed any talent lol, maybe except Axslav and Idra-ishish) What did TaeJa do before joining SlayerS? He only made it into one GSL before joining. MMA, Ryung, Alicia, Min and GanZi were all no-names in Starcraft 2 before becoming a part of SlayerS, where they are now all really strong and competitive players. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 21 2011 04:14 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: You aren't rekrul, you're not allowed to say IdrA is bad. LOL I love when people spout this bs... just because Idra is sort of an ass ("sort of" being a very nice way to put it) doesn't mean he isn't a good player. If he's not good then how many "good" players does TL have? MAYBE two? (If you argue that both Ret and Sheth are better than Idra, which I wouldn't agree with) fnatic would have one (Sen), dignitas would have maybe one (Naniwa), etc. etc. Idra's a damn good player, he's just so bm and easy to hate (completely his fault). I hate his attitude but I love watching his play and casting. Also sure, EG only has 3 players, but EG's roster is a lot smaller than SlayerS. And they are in different scenes (one could argue EG is a dominant force, after the acquisition of HuK, in the foreign scene). I'd say EG and mousesports compete for the best team in the West... similarly, with these acquisitions, you have to say that SlayerS is, at least on an individual basis, one of the two best Korean teams (maybe second after Incredible Miracle). | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On August 21 2011 04:20 FairForever wrote: Also SlayerS is acting very similar to EG, they have some homegrown talent but outside of MMA none of them have been top-tier (Alicia is close), you can't argue that SlayerS has really developed their own talent when three of their best players (CoCa, Taeja, and Puzzle) are poached from other squads (or one other squad lol). Very similar to EG (which hasn't really developed any talent lol, maybe except Axslav and Idra-ishish) You discount how good Ganzi and Ryung are as well. Alicia has been Code S for a while, and has had a bad GSL this time. MMA is pretty darned good and Boxer is no slouch when he is in tip-top shape. Slayers produces Terrans in abudance. | ||
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W2
United States1177 Posts
On August 21 2011 04:20 FairForever wrote: Absolutely nothing wrong with CoCa and Puzzle leaving for SlayerS (assuming there's no contract), but considering this seems similar to the PuMa incident I think people need to take the same standpoint with EG (not just absolve SlayerS because they're a much more popular and well-liked team, which admittedly they are). Also SlayerS is acting very similar to EG, they have some homegrown talent but outside of MMA none of them have been top-tier (Alicia is close), you can't argue that SlayerS has really developed their own talent when three of their best players (CoCa, Taeja, and Puzzle) are poached from other squads (or one other squad lol). Very similar to EG (which hasn't really developed any talent lol, maybe except Axslav and Idra-ishish) I dont know if you are being intentionally discreet or not, but Slayers has ryung, ganzi and mma, so calling puzzle, taeja and coca the 3 best players is a pretty big stretch. And also, although the principles are the same with huk and eg, its not the same magnitude at all and youve got to accept the fact that less people are going to be talking about this and holding slayers to the same standard. | ||
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
On August 21 2011 04:37 FairForever wrote: LOL I love when people spout this bs... just because Idra is sort of an ass ("sort of" being a very nice way to put it) doesn't mean he isn't a good player. If he's not good then how many "good" players does TL have? MAYBE two? (If you argue that both Ret and Sheth are better than Idra, which I wouldn't agree with) fnatic would have one (Sen), dignitas would have maybe one (Naniwa), etc. etc. Idra's a damn good player, he's just so bm and easy to hate (completely his fault). I hate his attitude but I love watching his play and casting. Also sure, EG only has 3 players, but EG's roster is a lot smaller than SlayerS. And they are in different scenes (one could argue EG is a dominant force, after the acquisition of HuK, in the foreign scene). I'd say EG and mousesports compete for the best team in the West... similarly, with these acquisitions, you have to say that SlayerS is, at least on an individual basis, one of the two best Korean teams (maybe second after Incredible Miracle). 1. Ret and Sheth beat Idra on numerous occassions and have consistent results. 2. Sen isn't on Fnatic Anymore. 3. Dignitas has Naniwa, and Select, among other good players such as Tan and soon to be another Korean perhaps. 4. SlayerS is ranked 7 in winnings. This is not to say that Eg is bad by any means, In fact i'd say they are a Top 3 Foreign Team, maybe 1-2 even. But, you can't spew incorrect facts, and although some are opinions, I think most people would disagree with them. And haypro is Bonjwa, | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On August 21 2011 04:41 CeriseCherries wrote: You discount how good Ganzi and Ryung are as well. Alicia has been Code S for a while, and has had a bad GSL this time. MMA is pretty darned good and Boxer is no slouch when he is in tip-top shape. Slayers produces Terrans in abudance. And to be honest, Slayers offers a lot for its players. It's not just that they are buying players. They see potential in players and help them grow further. That's the essential difference between Slayers and EG. Boxer oversees the team and being a former pro and father of ESPORTS, he understands his teammates. Hell, he lives with Slayers. EG management is far less familiar with SC2 the game itself and tbh, cannot offer similar gaming environments (other than money) that Slayers offers. So you can't compare the two because it's night and day. Sure, both are well sponsored, but it's much more than just money. Besides, I think it's safe to say that Boxer (who has founded/coached/mentored some of the greatest BW players of all time and one-handedly created a competitve SC2 team) > Alex Garfield. | ||
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rawrjaaaaay
United States426 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On August 21 2011 04:44 DeepBlu2 wrote: 1. Ret and Sheth beat Idra on numerous occassions and have consistent results. 2. Sen isn't on Fnatic Anymore. 3. Dignitas has Naniwa, and Select, among other good players such as Tan and soon to be another Korean perhaps. 4. SlayerS is ranked 7 in winnings. This is not to say that Eg is bad by any means, In fact i'd say they are a Top 3 Foreign Team, maybe 1-2 even. But, you can't spew incorrect facts, and although some are opinions, I think most people would disagree with them. + Show Spoiler [This is an offtopic discussion] + Pretty much this. Ret and Sheth have had Idra's number recently, and HerO is an absolute monster. Even back when IdrA was at his prime in Korea (prime meaning better than everyone else), Jinro had him beat in series and games won in two Code S meetings and the Clash of the Titans. Incontrol gave FXO shit saying they were no where near the best foreigner team, and EG was. But without PuMa and HuK, they only have IdrA, who has never, at any point (aside from perhaps the end of the beta?), the best foreigner in the world (objectively). His stay in Korea was overshadowed by Jinro, and now he is being over shadowed by plenty of players. Don't get me wrong, he is realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly good. At one point, he was top 3 zergs in the world including Korea. Now, he is competitive with all the top players, but he doesn't have any form of dominion on any "best" category. Perhaps "Best Zerg in the Arizona EG house." Puzzle will gain access to so many good Terrans if this turns out to be true, and PvP with Alicia. So sick! | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
On August 21 2011 04:41 CeriseCherries wrote: You discount how good Ganzi and Ryung are as well. Alicia has been Code S for a while, and has had a bad GSL this time. MMA is pretty darned good and Boxer is no slouch when he is in tip-top shape. Slayers produces Terrans in abudance. On August 21 2011 04:28 starstorm wrote: What did TaeJa do before joining SlayerS? He only made it into one GSL before joining. MMA, Ryung, Alicia, Min and GanZi were all no-names in Starcraft 2 before becoming a part of SlayerS, where they are now all really strong and competitive players. On August 21 2011 04:43 W2 wrote: I dont know if you are being intentionally discreet or not, but Slayers has ryung, ganzi and mma, so calling puzzle, taeja and coca the 3 best players is a pretty big stretch. And also, although the principles are the same with huk and eg, its not the same magnitude at all and youve got to accept the fact that less people are going to be talking about this and holding slayers to the same standard. Ganzi doesn't count as a homegrown player for Slayers because he was originally on IM. Sure he didn't really accomplish anything back then but considering he was on Woongjin's A team as recently as 2009 he wasn't a complete nobody either. | ||
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
On August 21 2011 05:13 red4ce wrote: Ganzi doesn't count as a homegrown player for Slayers because he was originally on IM. Sure he didn't really accomplish anything back then but considering he was on Woongjin's A team as recently as 2009 he wasn't a complete nobody either. well if you count the mental aspect of pro players Ganzi improved hell tone due to Boxer in his interviews he always comment how he gets so much motivated whenever he sees boxer practicing hard and because he gets really depressed when he loses (he was super depressed after MLG too where he got 4th) so being on SlayerS brought the potential of Ganzi that was held back by Ganzi's mentality overall i think Slayers is where any players want to be right now with the sponsors and its excellent training systems and ofc Boxer | ||
BigFan
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BadgerBadger8264
Netherlands409 Posts
Also SlayerS is acting very similar to EG, they have some homegrown talent but outside of MMA none of them have been top-tier (Alicia is close), you can't argue that SlayerS has really developed their own talent when three of their best players (CoCa, Taeja, and Puzzle) are poached from other squads (or one other squad lol). Very similar to EG (which hasn't really developed any talent lol, maybe except Axslav and Idra-ishish) So... Great homegrown players: MMA, Ryung, Alicia, Min, Ganzi Great imported players: CoCa, Puzzle (unconfirmed) No, Taeja wasn't "great", Code A ro16 isn't great, otherwise the entire SlayerS team is great. Obviously just like EG, bad training, just buying the great players. Right? | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
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rickybobby
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