On September 03 2011 02:36 rareh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 21:03 karpo wrote:On September 02 2011 20:58 marttorn wrote:On September 02 2011 20:52 karpo wrote:On September 02 2011 20:35 rareh wrote:On September 02 2011 20:10 HolyArrow wrote:On September 02 2011 20:04 rareh wrote:On September 02 2011 19:58 HolyArrow wrote:On September 02 2011 19:55 rareh wrote:On September 02 2011 19:51 HolyArrow wrote:
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This is where we have philosophical differences. I just strongly disagree with the concept of a weak team "buying" their good players instead of nurturing them. I don't like it at all - it just seems kind of cheap to me. On the other hand, I am completely okay with a strong team that nurtured their own players adding more strong players to their roster - they did their part in nurturing their players, and now it's totally acceptable that other players see that team and want to be part of it. I guess the bottom line here is whether or not a team is strong by nurture rather than buying good players. It's the main factor for me, personally. Obviously, this is merely my opinion, and it's not backed by any sort of ethical or moral argument. They are nurturing their players, in fact puma is teaching a lot to demuslim and huk to incontrol. Look at how much better demuslim has got in just 1 week! Point is if slayers buy all the good players then we will be getting a team that wins every time and it will make the scene a boring monopoly. Imagine if Flash, jaedong, bisu etc were all in the same team. Sure, they're now nurturing their players, by using the players that they bought. That doesn't supersede the fact that they had to buy good players for that to even happen, which is, to me, still a huge minus. The point about SlayerS buying all good players and creating a boring monopoly is moot because... that's not really what's happening. When SlayerS recruits MC, MVP, and Nestea, then you'll have an argument. not really since if you look at TLPD they already have the n1 protoss Puzzle. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/playersAlso to get he best players they have to be willing to leave i doubt nestea and mvp would... You're using ELO as your measurement. That doesn't really work. Do you also believe Polt to be > MVP, Naya and Life > July and Leenock, cOre > HongUn and HuK, and Gumiho > MMA? MC is still the top Protoss as the only Protoss to win a GSL (let alone twice). ELO has its uses, but it, like any other ranking system, it has its flaws. With that said, you seem to have contradicted yourself in your last sentence. First you say, "Point is if slayers buys all the good players then we will be getting a team that wins every time.... Imagine if Flash, jaedong, bisu etc. were all in the same team". Then, you say "Also, the best players have to be winning to leave, and I doubt Nestea and MVP would". Yeah. Thus, your worries about SlayerS making a boring monopoly of all the best players are unfounded. Nestea and MVP aren't going anywhere. Polt is incredibly underrated seems like GSL ST didn't teach u anything  ELO works better then gsl ranking or "who won the most gsls a year ago". MC is playing really bad only has a high score(gsl ranking) since he won 2 gsls some months ago, but is in a huge slump misses easy forcefields, etc. Are u telling me fruitdealer is a awesome player just cause he won gsl ? He is in code A and barely wins some games, same will happen to mc. About the contradiction not really, i never said most acomplished for each race, i said the best players (like top 10 or top 3 in a matchup TvZ etc). Puzzle is regarded as the best Protoss by koreans atm. Coca as one of the best zergs and the one with most potential. Puzzle is regarded as the best protoss yet how much as he won? How consistent has he been over a longer period of time? Seems like the fanbase of SC2 are very quick to hype a player that's been good for a short while, when it's way harder to stay on top for ages. Artosis hypes players left and right and many of them turn out to not be as good or consistent as he and the community was expecting. Also predicting that MC will slump like Fruitdealer seems like pure bs as MC still got 2nd as IEM and shows good games still. Fruitdealer and MC are in completely different spots atm. MC is still good, has motivation and has been in a slight slump lately, Fruitdealer hasn't been good for a year now and doesn't seem to care much. Your arguments seem weak to me. You can't forget that we foreigners don't get the full picture. As tastosis have pointed out numerous times, Puzzle is consistently considered one of the best players in the world over in Korea. All we get to see is GSL, obviously the koreans have a more enlightened perspective. Yet Artosis himself has said that there's not much going on in competitive SC2 in korea beside the GSL, so are people basing this of ladder? I'm not saying he isn't good but the guy i quoted more or less said he was better than MC and that MC will slump in the same way Fruitdealer did. You gotta admit that that is pretty much just bullshit, right? Lets look at the last 2 seasons of gsl, anything prior to that is kind far away, nasl didn't have the top players except puma,alive and july, iem only had puma, so those aren't a good way to go about it. Puzzle: GSL July Puzzle wins code A by defeating big names like MMA, Tassadar and happy. Didn't lose a single map until the final against Tassadar! August Puzzle goes to the playoffs loses to ryung, when he is deciding joining the team of his opponent, you could see how friendly they were after the game. Doubt he was focusing on the game as much as switching teams, so there is always that excuse. MC: July MC loses to a guy with an injured wrist. August Goes to up and down. Btw he played awful against fenix on gstl, missing easy force-fields etc .
Let's start by excluding every season of GSL MC has done well in....
if you start with that premise, yes, you will probably think MC's a bad player, lol.
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