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TemplarCo.

Mexico2870 Posts

September 02 2011 16:38 GMT

#361

Finally Alicia has a very good Protoss player to practice with!
Congrats to Puzzle! SlayerS and Puzzle FIGHTING!

TrickyGilligan

United States641 Posts

September 02 2011 16:42 GMT

#362

On September 03 2011 01:38 TemplarCo. wrote:
Finally Alicia has a very good Protoss player to practice with!
Congrats to Puzzle! SlayerS and Puzzle FIGHTING!

The irony is that PvP is the only matchup that Alicia doesn't need help with :p

I feel bad for ZeNex, but Slayers is doing a good job of getting all my favorite players in one place. Makes picking who to root for that much easier.

tuho12345

4482 Posts

September 02 2011 16:44 GMT

#363

Fuck yes, now SlayerS is the strongest team right now.

See.Blue

United States2673 Posts

September 02 2011 16:46 GMT

#364

I heard boxer road into the Zenex house on Yellow's shoulders, defeated the rest of zenex in 1-on-1 combat, then took the fair Puzzle back to his hideout as prize.

Chicane

United States7875 Posts

September 02 2011 16:48 GMT

#365

SlayerS is looking very strong now.

illsick

United States1770 Posts

September 02 2011 16:53 GMT

#366

slayers has like 34563214 players

GSTL can barely have enough teams to fill up the spots required

delayed reflex

Canada358 Posts

September 02 2011 17:05 GMT

#367

Might as well have Byun move over to Slayers and complete the killing blow to Zenex

He can take on the name SlayerS_Hit, along the lines of NEXcrement

willoc

Canada1530 Posts

September 02 2011 17:08 GMT

#368

I'm guessing Slayers only need 1 more good zerg and then they meet the minimum of 2 good players per race.

poorcloud

Singapore2748 Posts

September 02 2011 17:11 GMT

#369

On September 03 2011 01:42 TrickyGilligan wrote:

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Thats a myth. He managed to knock MC out but he lost to TOD twice. Hes also stated lots of times about how much he hates PvP.

R3N

740 Posts

September 02 2011 17:17 GMT

#370

So uh, what's happening to ZeNex now? If I were their coach I'd honestly punch SlayerS (not BoxeR ofc :D) :<

Snatching their best players left and right must be unbearable for ZeNex...

MechKing

United States3004 Posts

September 02 2011 17:22 GMT

#371

So many people on SlayerS now.

babylon

8765 Posts

September 02 2011 17:23 GMT

#372

I guess this makes SlayerS the strongest, deepest team? I mean, you have the argument that IM is the best team in the world, but when they're basically three heavyweights carrying the entire team, I dunno. Whereas SlayerS now has the following:

- CoCa: ZvP specialist who's been improving his other match-ups
- Puzzle: strong Protoss all around
- Ganzi: TvT specialist, above average TvZ and 1/1/1 TvP
- MMA: TvZ specialist, above average TvT, mediocre TvP
- Alicia: decent in PvP but lately has been slumping in the Era of 1/1/1
- Ryung: TvT specialist, above average TvZ, mediocre TvP
- Taeja: Very strong all around with a focus on TvP and TvT
- Boxer: Don't need to explain this one ...

Shame for ZeNEX though. Wonder if they'll fold.

DoomsVille

Canada4885 Posts

September 02 2011 17:26 GMT

#373

This was expected when he didn't play for ZeNEX in their last GSTL match.

Damn SlayerS has an impressive roster though. So much talent on 1 team. Does not compute.

rareh

Portugal298 Posts

September 02 2011 17:36 GMT

#374

On September 02 2011 21:03 karpo wrote:

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On September 02 2011 20:58 marttorn wrote:

On September 02 2011 20:52 karpo wrote:

On September 02 2011 20:35 rareh wrote:

On September 02 2011 20:10 HolyArrow wrote:

On September 02 2011 20:04 rareh wrote:

On September 02 2011 19:58 HolyArrow wrote:

On September 02 2011 19:55 rareh wrote:

On September 02 2011 19:51 HolyArrow wrote:

On September 02 2011 19:45 rareh wrote:
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Agreed.

Bad team picking up good player(s) is good, so they can increase their skill or learn from the good player(s).

Good team picking up good player(s) is bad, so they can kill a team already having a hard time and create a situation where a smaller amount of teams can compete.

This is where we have philosophical differences. I just strongly disagree with the concept of a weak team "buying" their good players instead of nurturing them. I don't like it at all - it just seems kind of cheap to me. On the other hand, I am completely okay with a strong team that nurtured their own players adding more strong players to their roster - they did their part in nurturing their players, and now it's totally acceptable that other players see that team and want to be part of it. I guess the bottom line here is whether or not a team is strong by nurture rather than buying good players. It's the main factor for me, personally. Obviously, this is merely my opinion, and it's not backed by any sort of ethical or moral argument.

They are nurturing their players, in fact puma is teaching a lot to demuslim and huk to incontrol.
Look at how much better demuslim has got in just 1 week!

Point is if slayers buy all the good players then we will be getting a team that wins every time and it will make the scene a boring monopoly.
Imagine if Flash, jaedong, bisu etc were all in the same team.

Sure, they're now nurturing their players, by using the players that they bought. That doesn't supersede the fact that they had to buy good players for that to even happen, which is, to me, still a huge minus.

The point about SlayerS buying all good players and creating a boring monopoly is moot because... that's not really what's happening. When SlayerS recruits MC, MVP, and Nestea, then you'll have an argument.

not really since if you look at TLPD they already have the n1 protoss Puzzle.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players

Also to get he best players they have to be willing to leave i doubt nestea and mvp would...

You're using ELO as your measurement. That doesn't really work. Do you also believe Polt to be > MVP, Naya and Life > July and Leenock, cOre > HongUn and HuK, and Gumiho > MMA? MC is still the top Protoss as the only Protoss to win a GSL (let alone twice). ELO has its uses, but it, like any other ranking system, it has its flaws.

With that said, you seem to have contradicted yourself in your last sentence. First you say, "Point is if slayers buys all the good players then we will be getting a team that wins every time.... Imagine if Flash, jaedong, bisu etc. were all in the same team". Then, you say "Also, the best players have to be winning to leave, and I doubt Nestea and MVP would". Yeah. Thus, your worries about SlayerS making a boring monopoly of all the best players are unfounded. Nestea and MVP aren't going anywhere.

Polt is incredibly underrated seems like GSL ST didn't teach u anything

ELO works better then gsl ranking or "who won the most gsls a year ago". MC is playing really bad only has a high score(gsl ranking) since he won 2 gsls some months ago, but is in a huge slump misses easy forcefields, etc. Are u telling me fruitdealer is a awesome player just cause he won gsl ? He is in code A and barely wins some games, same will happen to mc.

About the contradiction not really, i never said most acomplished for each race, i said the best players (like top 10 or top 3 in a matchup TvZ etc).

Puzzle is regarded as the best Protoss by koreans atm.
Coca as one of the best zergs and the one with most potential.

Puzzle is regarded as the best protoss yet how much as he won? How consistent has he been over a longer period of time? Seems like the fanbase of SC2 are very quick to hype a player that's been good for a short while, when it's way harder to stay on top for ages. Artosis hypes players left and right and many of them turn out to not be as good or consistent as he and the community was expecting.

Also predicting that MC will slump like Fruitdealer seems like pure bs as MC still got 2nd as IEM and shows good games still. Fruitdealer and MC are in completely different spots atm. MC is still good, has motivation and has been in a slight slump lately, Fruitdealer hasn't been good for a year now and doesn't seem to care much. Your arguments seem weak to me.

You can't forget that we foreigners don't get the full picture. As tastosis have pointed out numerous times, Puzzle is consistently considered one of the best players in the world over in Korea. All we get to see is GSL, obviously the koreans have a more enlightened perspective.

Yet Artosis himself has said that there's not much going on in competitive SC2 in korea beside the GSL, so are people basing this of ladder? I'm not saying he isn't good but the guy i quoted more or less said he was better than MC and that MC will slump in the same way Fruitdealer did. You gotta admit that that is pretty much just bullshit, right?

Lets look at the last 2 seasons of gsl, anything prior to that is kind far away, nasl didn't have the top players except puma,alive and july, iem only had puma, so those aren't a good way to go about it.

Puzzle:

GSL July

Puzzle wins code A by defeating big names like MMA, Tassadar and happy.
Didn't lose a single map until the final against Tassadar!

August

Puzzle goes to the playoffs loses to ryung, when he is deciding joining the team of his opponent, you could see how friendly they were after the game. Doubt he was focusing on the game as much as switching teams, so there is always that excuse.

MC:

July

MC loses to a guy with an injured wrist.

August

Goes to up and down.
Btw he played awful against fenix on gstl, missing easy force-fields etc .

Fangzhou

United States199 Posts

September 02 2011 17:39 GMT

#375

Man slayers such a sick team now, before it's just a bunch of good Terrans so most of their TvT's are very good, now they got good Zerg and Protoss in the team too, can't wait to see the effect this will have on MMA and other slayers players

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

September 02 2011 17:40 GMT

#376

woo go Puzzle!

eviltomahawk

United States11135 Posts

September 02 2011 17:47 GMT

#377

On September 03 2011 02:23 babylon wrote:
I guess this makes SlayerS the strongest, deepest team? I mean, you have the argument that IM is the best team in the world, but when they're basically three heavyweights carrying the entire team, I dunno. Whereas SlayerS now has the following:

- CoCa: ZvP specialist who's been improving his other match-ups
- Puzzle: strong Protoss all around
- Ganzi: TvT specialist, above average TvZ and 1/1/1 TvP
- MMA: TvZ specialist, above average TvT, mediocre TvP
- Alicia: decent in PvP but lately has been slumping in the Era of 1/1/1
- Ryung: TvT specialist, above average TvZ, mediocre TvP
- Taeja: Very strong all around with a focus on TvP and TvT
- Boxer: Don't need to explain this one ...

Shame for ZeNEX though. Wonder if they'll fold.

Don't forget Min.

Although arguably one of the weaker SlayerS members, he has had some strong performances, such as in the Super Tournament when he knocked out July and Genius. However, he has had a huge problem with nerves, which has led to some very bad decision-making that has cost him games (notably his games vs theBest in the Super Tournament). Teammates claim that he is a strong player in practice, but is handicapped by nerves.

Brainling

United States660 Posts

September 02 2011 17:49 GMT

#378

Man, some of you are serious whiners. You do realize this is how professional (e)-Sports work right? Players move around. They take better deals, they move to other teams. It's a business.

All this talk of nurturing vs. buying, it's bush league. Anyone who follows big money sports realizes you need to do BOTH to build a successful team. You need to nurture some players, you need to buy some players. The best teams in any sport work on the "motivated talent wins" mentality. Whether that talent is homegrown or free agent becomes irrelevant, provided it's motivated talent (which is why you have to do so much personality evaluation before you hand someone millions of dollars).

It's kind of funny, because people hate on EG for signing great players to make themselves better, yet if EG were an NFL team they would be getting (rightly) praised for trying to improve their team.

As I've said in other posts, you guys can't have it both ways. Either you want this to be a professional business and grow, or you don't. Pick one.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

September 02 2011 17:52 GMT

#379

The NFL has salary caps and tampering rules. It's an entirely different, incomparable situation and your analogy, quite frankly, sucks.

Anyways, awesome news for Slayers. Sad for ZeNEX but FXOBoSs already broke the news about their collapse a while ago.

Yaki

France4234 Posts

September 02 2011 17:53 GMT

#380

Sick sick team SlayerS !

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