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On August 21 2011 06:16 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:Show nested quote +Also SlayerS is acting very similar to EG, they have some homegrown talent but outside of MMA none of them have been top-tier (Alicia is close), you can't argue that SlayerS has really developed their own talent when three of their best players (CoCa, Taeja, and Puzzle) are poached from other squads (or one other squad lol). Very similar to EG (which hasn't really developed any talent lol, maybe except Axslav and Idra-ishish) So... Great homegrown players: MMA, Ryung, Alicia, Min, Ganzi Great imported players: CoCa, Puzzle (unconfirmed) No, Taeja wasn't "great", Code A ro16 isn't great, otherwise the entire SlayerS team is great. Obviously just like EG, bad training, just buying the great players. Right?
Although i agree that SlayerS is not acting similar to EG, regardless of whether that is good or bad, i think it needs to be said that Taeja is actually pretty great, ro4 Code A this season looking really strong.
I think we all also need to just grow up and understand that if these players don't have contracts then there really is malice in recruiting them to a team that can offer them financial sustenance. If we really want ESPORTS then we have to root out the teams that can't support themselves or there players, as cold as that sounds. What is the point of a team that is asking their players to stay based on faith? I don't harbor any ill will towards SlayerS or EG because actions like these make ESPORTS possible, it provides a living for someone to do what they love that they previously were not making.
We really should stop getting in an uproar every time a player switches teams.
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On August 21 2011 06:16 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:Show nested quote +Also SlayerS is acting very similar to EG, they have some homegrown talent but outside of MMA none of them have been top-tier (Alicia is close), you can't argue that SlayerS has really developed their own talent when three of their best players (CoCa, Taeja, and Puzzle) are poached from other squads (or one other squad lol). Very similar to EG (which hasn't really developed any talent lol, maybe except Axslav and Idra-ishish) So... Great homegrown players: MMA, Ryung, Alicia, Min, Ganzi Great imported players: CoCa, Puzzle (unconfirmed) No, Taeja wasn't "great", Code A ro16 isn't great, otherwise the entire SlayerS team is great. Obviously just like EG, bad training, just buying the great players. Right?
You forgot BoxeR, while he hasn't been the greatest player ever, he certainly is better than most foreigner "A-teamers" and "B-teamers". His MLG performance was spectacular.
That is six players "homegrown". Two imported. While CoCa is a great addition, he is still not much better than most of their T's (if they were to play TvZ). These acquisitions are solely based on their need of Zergs and Protoss.
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i hope its not true, i really liked the lineup that zenex had, would really suck if they lost puzzle, im not a slayers fan eighter.
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On August 20 2011 22:54 Milkis wrote:
Hmmm, I wouldn't call SlayerS the EG of Korea. The Coca + Puzzle situation is quite different after all.
Damn, Milkis seriously needs to stop being so biased.
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On August 21 2011 06:38 drgonzhere wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 06:16 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:Also SlayerS is acting very similar to EG, they have some homegrown talent but outside of MMA none of them have been top-tier (Alicia is close), you can't argue that SlayerS has really developed their own talent when three of their best players (CoCa, Taeja, and Puzzle) are poached from other squads (or one other squad lol). Very similar to EG (which hasn't really developed any talent lol, maybe except Axslav and Idra-ishish) So... Great homegrown players: MMA, Ryung, Alicia, Min, Ganzi Great imported players: CoCa, Puzzle (unconfirmed) No, Taeja wasn't "great", Code A ro16 isn't great, otherwise the entire SlayerS team is great. Obviously just like EG, bad training, just buying the great players. Right? Although i agree that SlayerS is not acting similar to EG, regardless of whether that is good or bad, i think it needs to be said that Taeja is actually pretty great, ro4 Code A this season looking really strong. I think we all also need to just grow up and understand that if these players don't have contracts then there really is malice in recruiting them to a team that can offer them financial sustenance. If we really want ESPORTS then we have to root out the teams that can't support themselves or there players, as cold as that sounds. What is the point of a team that is asking their players to stay based on faith? I don't harbor any ill will towards SlayerS or EG because actions like these make ESPORTS possible, it provides a living for someone to do what they love that they previously were not making. We really should stop getting in an uproar every time a player switches teams.
I think the key word here is "wasn't" in the sense that most people hadn't really heard of Taeja before SlayerS picked him up and set him loose on his old team. Clearly, he has flourished in the SlayerS house since.
I guess there's not much else to discuss here until we get more information or some sort of official announcement.
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On August 21 2011 06:41 Joey Wheeler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 22:54 Milkis wrote:
Hmmm, I wouldn't call SlayerS the EG of Korea. The Coca + Puzzle situation is quite different after all. Damn, Milkis seriously needs to stop being so biased.
Agreed, he has no Journalistic integrity.
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On August 20 2011 20:48 Archerylady wrote:SlayerS actually wins things and fosters the talent they buy though.
lol what, either you buy talent or you dont. Puzzle being a great player isnt a national secret. Bash eg more.
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On August 21 2011 06:41 Joey Wheeler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 22:54 Milkis wrote:
Hmmm, I wouldn't call SlayerS the EG of Korea. The Coca + Puzzle situation is quite different after all. Damn, Milkis seriously needs to stop being so biased.
He is of korean descendence.
+1
Trying to make foreign teams look bad without getting both sides.
Trying to make korean teams not look bad(or look good) without getting both sides.
Funny thing is if someone says milkis is biased that person is banned i saw it happen before, so i would be careful about saying it, he has power to ban you when he gets called out.
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I love Byun, watches his stream every time i have the time for it and know its on ~.~
I really hope that if Zenex should dissolve, Byun should join SlayersS with Coca and possibly Puzzle :D
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The comparison of SlayerS to EG is completely ridiculous. SlayerS has 3 of their homegrown players in Code S, and three of them in Code A (BoxeR is out, but he was in Code A this season by qualifying legitimately, so it makes sense to count him). What does EG have?
Notable Homegrown players:
SlayerS: MMA, Alicia, Ryung, BoxeR, Taeja, Ganzi
EG: Idra, Incontrol
Incontrol isn't anywhere close to any of those SlayerS players I listed, and I'm not sure where IdrA stands, but I highly doubt he's at the level of any of those SlayerS players I listed either. Maybe BoxeR a while ago, but it seems that BoxeR has improved a ton, so I don't know about that anymore. On homegrown players alone, EG could only dream of being even a fraction of the team that SlayerS is. The difference is that EG felt like a team that didn't have any good players (by good, I mean Korean good, with IdrA being the only player that can hope to come close), so they went and bought some good ones. SlayerS feels like an already extremely powerful team (2 wins in the GSTL, 3 players in Code S (two who advanced from their group 2-0), 2 in the Code A semifinals) adding even more strong players to their roster. The difference is huge. One is a team that is, by international standards, pretty weak. The other is a team that is, by international standards, incredibly strong.
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Whoever said Taeja is bad is terribly wrong, hes in the semifinals of Code A this season and has TWO All-Kills in the GSTL
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On August 21 2011 07:01 rareh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 06:41 Joey Wheeler wrote:On August 20 2011 22:54 Milkis wrote:
Hmmm, I wouldn't call SlayerS the EG of Korea. The Coca + Puzzle situation is quite different after all. Damn, Milkis seriously needs to stop being so biased. He is of korean descendence. +1 Trying to make foreign teams look bad without getting both sides. Trying to make korean teams not look bad(or look good) without getting both sides. Funny thing is if someone says milkis is biased that person is banned i saw it happen before, so i would be careful about saying it, he has power to ban you when he gets called out.
-1 for lack of catching sarcasm/joke
Milkis if a freaking hero. Best Korean translator on the scene imo, and all these jokes about him being biased are jokes because he's a freaking TRANSLATOR. The fact that people can even consider him biased is a joke.
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On August 21 2011 07:01 rareh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 06:41 Joey Wheeler wrote:On August 20 2011 22:54 Milkis wrote:
Hmmm, I wouldn't call SlayerS the EG of Korea. The Coca + Puzzle situation is quite different after all. Damn, Milkis seriously needs to stop being so biased. He is of korean descendence. +1 Trying to make foreign teams look bad without getting both sides. Trying to make korean teams not look bad(or look good) without getting both sides. Funny thing is if someone says milkis is biased that person is banned i saw it happen before, so i would be careful about saying it, he has power to ban you when he gets called out.
how do you know his intentions?
without getting both sides
irony all over this post. and how do you even know he doesn't already understand both sides.
and i'm pretty sure you are missing the running joke. milkis is a translator, not a journalist
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On August 21 2011 07:01 rareh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 06:41 Joey Wheeler wrote:On August 20 2011 22:54 Milkis wrote:
Hmmm, I wouldn't call SlayerS the EG of Korea. The Coca + Puzzle situation is quite different after all. Damn, Milkis seriously needs to stop being so biased. He is of korean descendence. +1 Trying to make foreign teams look bad without getting both sides. Trying to make korean teams not look bad(or look good) without getting both sides. Funny thing is if someone says milkis is biased that person is banned i saw it happen before, so i would be careful about saying it, he has power to ban you when he gets called out.
So do I, it's called a report button and probably if I use it you did something stupid. I've never seen someone call out a mod abuse and be right, at best (and this is rare) it was an honest mistake.
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I fail to see how this is ANYTHING like the EG situation. Team switching occurs actively which is in itself, completely fine. The problem with the EG incident was the lack of professionalism in how the switch occurred. In this situation, the rumors only say puzzle moved to slayers. There is nothing about how the transition happened (unlike the EG case) and so it may have been handled in a completely different manner. We. Don't. Know. For all we know, Puzzle could've been bought for 10 million USD. Or he could've been stolen. Or Zenex could be disbanding. There is no explanation behind an unsupported rumor...
And player shuffling is a good thing as long as it is done in a professional manner. Players grown in a team without some degree of inter-mixing results in very standardized playstyle with no new input. Adding in new players grown in other teams is an excellent way to introduce new thoughts, approaches and playstyle. This is why even in the Ivy Leagues, it is usually very difficult to find a job at the University you graduated from; it helps the university bring in new thoughts and minds.
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Fuck yeah Puzzle. Now you have the best Terrans in the world to practice with. Now Slayers just need Nestea to complete the PUZZLE !
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On August 21 2011 07:07 HolyArrow wrote:
The comparison of SlayerS to EG is completely ridiculous. SlayerS has 3 of their homegrown players in Code S, and three of them in Code A (BoxeR is out, but he was in Code A this season by qualifying legitimately, so it makes sense to count him). What does EG have?
Notable Homegrown players:
SlayerS: MMA, Alicia, Ryung, BoxeR, Taeja, Ganzi
EG: Idra, Incontrol
Lol Incontrol, also IdrA was bw player that played in Korea, EG doesn't have to do a thing with him, DeMuslim was also accuired, and look at them now, both doing poorly, they ruined players, ruined...We will see what will happen with Huk and PuMa...
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If this is true, Zenex must be piiiissed. Seen the drama about Coca already, I wonder whatll happen if Puzzle moves too
And this is all speculation and rumor. its amazing how much people draw conclusions based on conjecture in these kinds of threads.
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