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Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
August 17 2011 15:41 GMT
#541
It's pretty ridiculous from the Korean's side imo. Incontrol summed it up perfectly on SOTG when in brood war in america or whatever you went to tournaments for the chance to cover the costs of traveling.
Also how when they all go to MLG it's out of their own pocket. Koreans need to accept that but they won't.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
August 17 2011 15:49 GMT
#542
A bit petty to blame shuttle bus incident on nasl. I guess in hindsight, they should of had chaperone on bus with the koreans to make sure they arrived at point b. But you live and learn
ahx
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada132 Posts
August 17 2011 15:50 GMT
#543
The Koreans ask for too much and get treated way too special in every event they participate in. I'm sorry but just because Korea has a deep history of BW and is the best at sc2 doesn't mean you need the red carpet rolled out for you every time you cross the ocean. No other gamers are treated the same way and eventually it will be seen as unfair and won't fly anyway. NASL made the right choice.
AngryFarmer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States560 Posts
August 17 2011 15:55 GMT
#544
On August 18 2011 00:41 Denzil wrote:
It's pretty ridiculous from the Korean's side imo. Incontrol summed it up perfectly on SOTG when in brood war in america or whatever you went to tournaments for the chance to cover the costs of traveling.
Also how when they all go to MLG it's out of their own pocket. Koreans need to accept that but they won't.


If the expenses aren't paid for there are probably more worthwhile options in korea so they may as well stay there. This is probably why they want things to be paid for. Demand for the Koreans to be playing in foreign tournaments are also higher as they can provide a higher level of play. This means Koreans should be the ones determining the price.
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
August 17 2011 15:56 GMT
#545
thx for sharing the article
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
August 17 2011 15:57 GMT
#546
hehe thats cool. He generally said who cares about the viewers, do everything to get top players and the fanboys will follow unimportant how horrible everything else is. Sadly its true :3
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
August 17 2011 16:01 GMT
#547
you gotta love Coach Choi... he says everything how it is!
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 17 2011 16:03 GMT
#548
On August 18 2011 00:57 FeyFey wrote:
hehe thats cool. He generally said who cares about the viewers, do everything to get top players and the fanboys will follow unimportant how horrible everything else is. Sadly its true :3


Well, I am in no position to argue against it considering I gave the second day of the NASL finals a chance. ^^"

Anyways, I just wanted to point out that whatever ends up coming out of this business should apply to all players, not just the ones coming from Korea. With that in mind, it is not just "catering to the Koreans" as all participants of the NASL will benefit from it and they probably will be glad should their situation improve as a result of the outcome of this matter.
BaekHo
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)153 Posts
August 17 2011 16:06 GMT
#549
I agree on one thing though. I personally like Xeris, his personality and effort on Esports (especially Regards with Cstarleague) but you(Xeris) should not really respond to everything in TL. Whether your action is right or not, every post or action will represent your organization. Regardless of your reason people will believe that it represent where you belong.

Of course, I do understand, he wants to clear up misunderstanding for people but the other organization (in this case, Korean teams) will think that you are taking advantages over them. Its best to clear up miscommunication directly throughout official statement.

I really think that Team is responsible in some way though. Even almost all Korean believe that making contract and breaking up is just not right. Believe me, Xeris, you have our support as well. Anyhow I hope this issue clear up. This look like drama, but it just happen, Starcraft ll just started.
faruq
Profile Joined August 2011
United Arab Emirates116 Posts
August 17 2011 16:11 GMT
#550
On August 18 2011 00:41 Denzil wrote:
It's pretty ridiculous from the Korean's side imo. Incontrol summed it up perfectly on SOTG when in brood war in america or whatever you went to tournaments for the chance to cover the costs of traveling.
Also how when they all go to MLG it's out of their own pocket. Koreans need to accept that but they won't.


NASL needs the Koreans to at least be credible, not the other way around.
Batch
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden692 Posts
August 17 2011 16:28 GMT
#551
After the last season there where a lot of flaws but from the information given by Xeris as well as the korean coaches I don't think the handling of the foreign players is one of them.

If the koreans don't want to play in NASL then don't try to change their minds. If they don't want to take the chance to win a lot of money then they don't have to.

I will probably buy premium for the next season, with or without korean players.
Bouo
Profile Joined July 2010
United States55 Posts
August 17 2011 16:29 GMT
#552
Obviously the Koreans don't have that many more amazing tournaments back in Korea that are offering huge prize pools or they would not be coming over at all. If it takes the tournament organizers paying for everything to get the Koreans to compete then I say screw um. If they don't want to compete for 40,000, then that's there own fault. If NA and EU players can get sponsors to travel to Korea and back and forth then what the heck are the Koreans doing to push those sponsors away, oh yeah, they're acting like spoiled brats who can't get a full ride plus the opportunity to win 1st prize. Other NA teams send there players to Korea and to EU and vice EU to NA, and I don't see them complaining about not getting treated like princes, so its obviously a specifically Korean thing. Get sponsors or use your own money won from tournaments like everyone else.
Ling Rush!
Dub_doubt
Profile Joined June 2011
United States86 Posts
August 17 2011 16:31 GMT
#553
I have lost a lot of respect for the Koreans with their greed and pettiness.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 16:35:38
August 17 2011 16:35 GMT
#554
On August 18 2011 01:31 Dub_doubt wrote:
I have lost a lot of respect for the Koreans with their greed and pettiness.

I have lost a lot of respect for the Americans with their lack of respect for the Koreans.
See what I did there? Making generalizations is a very dangerous game. People die everyday because of generalizations.
o choro é livre
GrapeD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada679 Posts
August 17 2011 16:37 GMT
#555
I don't think they have the right to complain about the schedule. They knew that was it when they signed up for it and it's called the north american starleague. Not the North american starleague played at 2pm kst.
Some people hurt people. I defenestrate those people.
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
August 17 2011 16:39 GMT
#556
There must be something wrong with NASL if Korean teams are only pulling out from NASL and not from other major tournaments overseas. I doubt it's just money and shuttle transportation. There's something more troubling beneath all the noise.
Zeddicus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States239 Posts
August 17 2011 17:05 GMT
#557
In every tournament for every sport I've ever been familiar with (not saying I'm all encompassing), Sponsors gets you to the tournament. If you don't have sponsor or sponsor doesn't have enough money, you get yourself to the tournament. If neither you or the sponsor can get you to the tournament, then you aren't going.

I don't mind not having Koreans at all. If I need to see Koreans, I'll watch GSL. I'll watch MLG. I'll watch IEM. I'll watch Day9 Dailys where Koreans are involved. I understand you have to play with the best to become the best, but every single tournament requiring Koreans, and not watcing if they aren't present, is silly. I love watching the best foreigners too.

Posting news on TL is amateurish? If I want something known to the SC2 community, I'm posting it on TL. I would say requesting to be pampered is pretentious of the Koreans. It may be how things are done in Korea, but this is NASL. It's held in North America, and as I already mentioned, the way we do it here is you get yourself to the tournament.

For Deposits, That's a tough call. I can understand not liking them, but I also understand the need for them. If the concern is time wasted due to a no-show, how about eliminating the Deposit, and having a 10 minute time frame. You have to show up within 10 minutes of your scheduled match. If you don't, you are DQd. This combined with NASL's openness to rescheduling when necessary should allow for no missed matches.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 17 2011 17:23 GMT
#558
On August 18 2011 01:35 AlBundy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 01:31 Dub_doubt wrote:
I have lost a lot of respect for the Koreans with their greed and pettiness.

I have lost a lot of respect for the Americans with their lack of respect for the Koreans.
See what I did there? Making generalizations is a very dangerous game. People die everyday because of generalizations.



lol wut
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
August 17 2011 17:25 GMT
#559
The SC2 scene, especially the korean one seems really immature. No wonder their teams dont get sponsors...
At least thats the impression i get.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 17 2011 17:27 GMT
#560
Of course what Mr. Choi can't address is the issue of signing contracts and then withdrawing. So what he has to say in this interview is basically irrelevant to the dispute between Xeris and the participating Korean teams. Ostensibly, the dispute concerns only the money issue and the late withdrawal issue. Sure, Mr. Choi brings up other points about the NASL the Koreans didn't like, but if it's true that their only reason for withdrawing is the money issue, Mr. Choi's points are for another time and place. As someone not involved in the actual dispute, he really shouldn't even be talking to the media about it, as his word might get confused with the participating teams' word.
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