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On August 17 2011 06:55 hXc Chris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:48 Angelbelow wrote:On August 17 2011 06:42 Executor1 wrote:On August 17 2011 06:34 Angelbelow wrote:On August 17 2011 06:31 Keikaku wrote:On August 17 2011 06:19 Neroin wrote:
It's really hard for me to see Huk join EG because I hate EG so much. Especially since the only reason is money. I get told everywhere that money is the most important thing and that depresses me a lot. Soon I have to make a similar decision when I'm done with my studies and have to decide whether to work in a large company with lots of moniez or a small one where I can live a passion. To me the decision seems easy, but I try to understand Huk's decision. It's not easy though and when I read what Huk and the other Liquid guys wrote I get angry that Huk throws that all away, again, just for money. Of course, financial stability is a nice thing to have and I don't know the details of the contract, but I'd rather be poor with good friends than rich and lonely.
I'm sorry I come off bitter but Liquid always was a fortress against stupid corporations and this deal seems to show that corporations win in the end. I really wish Huk all the best but at the same time I wish EG all the worst..
I will still cheer for him though, but as Liquid`Huk and I refuse to use his new clantag.
I don't know how long this contract will last but maybe when it's over Huk can come back to Liquid, knowing that no money in the world can compensate for what Liquid has to offer.
As much as I hate it but maybe this should be a call for Nazgul to look for bigger investors. I guess it's hard to find people in the business that share your visions and I really appreciate that he won't compromise. But I would hate to see Liquid going down because of the various issues that come along with having less funds than other teams. I wish I'd be rich or would win the lottery so I could support Liquid and give them what they deserve. Two points: 1. You're going to be working what I assume to be some sort of 9-5 job. This is not something that will become harder the longer you work at it. You show up, don't screw up and will probably end up getting more rewards either in pay or responsibilities as you move up the job ladder. Being a successful progamer, outside of a few anomalies like Nestea, is not something that most people will be able to work at for the rest of their life as a means of supporting themselves (and their families). If HuK is treating what he does as not only his passion but also his career, then this seems like absolutely the right move to do. He gets paid a "life changing" amount and gets to practice in Korean with Idra and Puma. Seems like a good deal to me. 2. There is absolutely some amount of money that can compensate for what Liquid has to offer. It might depress you, but money is absolutely important. You're not yet done with your studies so I guess you're in college, right? Sorry to burst your bubble but that "large company with lots of moniez"? If they offer you a large enough pay bump over the smaller company you are, in all likelihood, going to take that offer. So would most people in that position. HuK is doing what's best for him and, honestly, as his fan that's something that makes me happy. I don't want him taking a significant cut in pay just to stay with a team that has more fans. He's still HuK, just EG.HuK instead of Liquid.HuK. So long as he doesn't change his attitude towards practice, his general work ethic and his sense of humor, I'll always be a HuK fan  To add to your wonderful response, we dont really know Huks financial situation either, so its hard for us to say "he only did it for the money." Every pro gamer strives for success both on a financial and competitive level, Huk has the wonderful opportunity to continue to do both. Well i think his competitive level will definitely decline, but by how much is the real question. No one can really deny that his training wont be as solid with just idra and puma then it would be if he stayed at the OGS house training. Idra's skill has definitely declined since he left korea to the point where its hard to say if hes even code a level, and Puma although winning NASL and beating some code s players along the way, has not really shown much consistency yet. We will have to wait and see. I still think the Huk will decline because hes moving out is a poor argument. Heres why: 1. His work ethic has proven to be world class. 2. His motivation to improve has been very well documented. I completely agree that training in the oGs house has helped him but its not because of oGs or TL, its because his determination allowed him to milk the opportunity. Not to bash the others but Ret, Tlo, haypro, and even Jinro now, havent been able to be as successful. Even within the deep team of oGs, there are only a few successful players. MC being the leader by far and code S players like top, nada, zenio and maybe supernova but beyond that their roster lacks a lot of consistency as well. Im not going to be naive and say that its a coincidence or that Huk is simply the lucky one. He is where he is because he trains 12 hour days. If his work ethic and his determination doesnt change, theres no reason to believe he will decline at all. Especially because his relationships with the oGs guys appear to be very solid, I doubt they'll abandon him now. LOL REALLY? They wont abandon him? He already abandoned them. Why do you think he already deleted all of oGs off his twitter? If you really think anyone from oGs is going to support HUK in EG when they're partnered with Liquid you're nuts.
Boy oh boy. How emotional you are. Youre understandably angry so I'll point out nicely that you are a prototypical bandwagon fan and that the facts you've listed in your post are wrong. Dont get too mad when EG inevitably begins start winning.
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I orderd my EG t-shirt and now it will be so much more valuable. Sorry to see you go HuK but life is all about the Benjamines
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On August 17 2011 06:56 Horse...falcon wrote:
I hope they partner with an existing Korean team to live and play with Koreans.
I don't think a three man teamhouse makes too much economic sense, will you have a coach/maid(maybe)/translator for a three man team?.
Assuming they do partner lets look at the potential candidates
Ruling out teams first
Teams with Foreign partnerships
oGs
MVP
FXO
Prime (sorta)
Teams they probably aren't on good terms with
TSL
So
Hoseo
WemadeFox
IM
SlayerS
Startale
ZeNEX
Hmmmm
Slayers, startale and IM probably don't want foreign help, wemade seem to just pick up whatever foreigners who aren't on a team already connected to a korean one so either zenex or hoseo. Probably hoseo since they're doing well but I'd love if they gave zenex a helping hand their players should do better in the GTSL.
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you gotta think that this is HuKs job. If hes gonna get paid more for doing the exact same job, he'd be retarded to say no.
This can only be good for EG - and i think HuK playing for such long hours might make idra do the same. Hope incontrol makes an appearance at some point
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nice piece of new, excellent for esports growth.
cheers EG.HuK and EG.PuMa and EG.IdrA
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On August 17 2011 06:51 hXc Chris wrote:
Fuck EG their own players keep getting worse and worse so now they have to buy everybody elses players out to try and stay competitive. What a joke. Huk was my favorite player but i'm pulling all of my support and its going to Sheth. I hope he changed his name from Liquid'Huk to EGSellout.
Liquid will always be better than EG, I dont care how many players EG has to buy out.
Threads like these always bring out people's true colours. Good riddance, Huk doesn't need false friends and bandwagon "supporters" like you.
gogo EG.Huk fighting!
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On August 17 2011 07:00 Angelbelow wrote:
...when EG inevitably begins start winning.
Good one.
Especially the "inevitable" part.
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On August 17 2011 06:51 hXc Chris wrote:
Fuck EG their own players keep getting worse and worse so now they have to buy everybody elses players out to try and stay competitive. What a joke. Huk was my favorite player but i'm pulling all of my support and its going to Sheth. I hope he changed his name from Liquid'Huk to EGSellout.
Liquid will always be better than EG, I dont care how many players EG has to buy out.
this what i've been thinking, i don't care if it's not logical or relevant, EG just seems evil in general, and you can't buy talent. I guess honor means too much o me, just like the Starks.
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Going to be a pretty limiting practice environment unless they establish some sort of official partnership with a Korean team, which isn't going to be easy. It also makes you wonder if the rest of the team will improve at all.
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On August 17 2011 07:06 pulvret wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:51 hXc Chris wrote:
Fuck EG their own players keep getting worse and worse so now they have to buy everybody elses players out to try and stay competitive. What a joke. Huk was my favorite player but i'm pulling all of my support and its going to Sheth. I hope he changed his name from Liquid'Huk to EGSellout.
Liquid will always be better than EG, I dont care how many players EG has to buy out. this what i've been thinking, i don't care if it's not logical or relevant, EG just seems evil in general, and you can't buy talent. I guess honor means too much o me, just like the Starks.
Lol comparing yourself to the Starks. You live in a fairy tale?
Btw, what was dishonorable about this transfer?
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Waking & reading the announcement.
D:
Meh, this is something along the lines if what I expected, EG need to deal with this issue they have of over-hyping things.(I know this is in part due to the community, but still)
Well, this doesn't really concern me overly so, all this is huk's choice and at least from the write up it seems like EG didn't handle themselves moronically this time.
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Get over yourselves you wouldn't turn down a job offer that was a SIGNIFICANT increase to your livelihood if you had the opportunity. HuK made the right call, going where he could get the most for his talent.
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On August 17 2011 07:06 pulvret wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:51 hXc Chris wrote:
Fuck EG their own players keep getting worse and worse so now they have to buy everybody elses players out to try and stay competitive. What a joke. Huk was my favorite player but i'm pulling all of my support and its going to Sheth. I hope he changed his name from Liquid'Huk to EGSellout.
Liquid will always be better than EG, I dont care how many players EG has to buy out. this what i've been thinking, i don't care if it's not logical or relevant, EG just seems evil in general, and you can't buy talent. I guess honor means too much o me, just like the Starks.
I feel the most vocal EG players have that kind of arrogance but you cannot say all of them are in the same situation.
When I think about EG, I think InControl, Idra but also DeMuslim who seems to be a very friendly guy.
Don't know much about the others though but I don't feel the whole team has the same mindset.
Edit: also the honor stuff makes me remember of all trades happening in sports in general. Come on they are professionals, people don't spit on you everytime you change your job this should be the same thing here.
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Really? This was the announcement? It's kind of a big deal but God EG are such hype-trolls.
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On August 17 2011 07:00 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:55 hXc Chris wrote:On August 17 2011 06:48 Angelbelow wrote:On August 17 2011 06:42 Executor1 wrote:On August 17 2011 06:34 Angelbelow wrote:On August 17 2011 06:31 Keikaku wrote:On August 17 2011 06:19 Neroin wrote:
It's really hard for me to see Huk join EG because I hate EG so much. Especially since the only reason is money. I get told everywhere that money is the most important thing and that depresses me a lot. Soon I have to make a similar decision when I'm done with my studies and have to decide whether to work in a large company with lots of moniez or a small one where I can live a passion. To me the decision seems easy, but I try to understand Huk's decision. It's not easy though and when I read what Huk and the other Liquid guys wrote I get angry that Huk throws that all away, again, just for money. Of course, financial stability is a nice thing to have and I don't know the details of the contract, but I'd rather be poor with good friends than rich and lonely.
I'm sorry I come off bitter but Liquid always was a fortress against stupid corporations and this deal seems to show that corporations win in the end. I really wish Huk all the best but at the same time I wish EG all the worst..
I will still cheer for him though, but as Liquid`Huk and I refuse to use his new clantag.
I don't know how long this contract will last but maybe when it's over Huk can come back to Liquid, knowing that no money in the world can compensate for what Liquid has to offer.
As much as I hate it but maybe this should be a call for Nazgul to look for bigger investors. I guess it's hard to find people in the business that share your visions and I really appreciate that he won't compromise. But I would hate to see Liquid going down because of the various issues that come along with having less funds than other teams. I wish I'd be rich or would win the lottery so I could support Liquid and give them what they deserve. Two points: 1. You're going to be working what I assume to be some sort of 9-5 job. This is not something that will become harder the longer you work at it. You show up, don't screw up and will probably end up getting more rewards either in pay or responsibilities as you move up the job ladder. Being a successful progamer, outside of a few anomalies like Nestea, is not something that most people will be able to work at for the rest of their life as a means of supporting themselves (and their families). If HuK is treating what he does as not only his passion but also his career, then this seems like absolutely the right move to do. He gets paid a "life changing" amount and gets to practice in Korean with Idra and Puma. Seems like a good deal to me. 2. There is absolutely some amount of money that can compensate for what Liquid has to offer. It might depress you, but money is absolutely important. You're not yet done with your studies so I guess you're in college, right? Sorry to burst your bubble but that "large company with lots of moniez"? If they offer you a large enough pay bump over the smaller company you are, in all likelihood, going to take that offer. So would most people in that position. HuK is doing what's best for him and, honestly, as his fan that's something that makes me happy. I don't want him taking a significant cut in pay just to stay with a team that has more fans. He's still HuK, just EG.HuK instead of Liquid.HuK. So long as he doesn't change his attitude towards practice, his general work ethic and his sense of humor, I'll always be a HuK fan To add to your wonderful response, we dont really know Huks financial situation either, so its hard for us to say "he only did it for the money." Every pro gamer strives for success both on a financial and competitive level, Huk has the wonderful opportunity to continue to do both. Well i think his competitive level will definitely decline, but by how much is the real question. No one can really deny that his training wont be as solid with just idra and puma then it would be if he stayed at the OGS house training. Idra's skill has definitely declined since he left korea to the point where its hard to say if hes even code a level, and Puma although winning NASL and beating some code s players along the way, has not really shown much consistency yet. We will have to wait and see. I still think the Huk will decline because hes moving out is a poor argument. Heres why: 1. His work ethic has proven to be world class. 2. His motivation to improve has been very well documented. I completely agree that training in the oGs house has helped him but its not because of oGs or TL, its because his determination allowed him to milk the opportunity. Not to bash the others but Ret, Tlo, haypro, and even Jinro now, havent been able to be as successful. Even within the deep team of oGs, there are only a few successful players. MC being the leader by far and code S players like top, nada, zenio and maybe supernova but beyond that their roster lacks a lot of consistency as well. Im not going to be naive and say that its a coincidence or that Huk is simply the lucky one. He is where he is because he trains 12 hour days. If his work ethic and his determination doesnt change, theres no reason to believe he will decline at all. Especially because his relationships with the oGs guys appear to be very solid, I doubt they'll abandon him now. LOL REALLY? They wont abandon him? He already abandoned them. Why do you think he already deleted all of oGs off his twitter? If you really think anyone from oGs is going to support HUK in EG when they're partnered with Liquid you're nuts. Boy oh boy. How emotional you are. Youre understandably angry so I'll point out nicely that you are a prototypical bandwagon fan and that the facts you've listed in your post are wrong. Dont get too mad when EG inevitably begins start winning.
Oh wow that cool calm and collective post that you just laid out there said just about nothing. If I was a bandwagon fan wouldnt my favorite player switching to EG motivate me to support EG instead of saying "All of my support stays with Liquid?"
I'm sorry but you make zero sense but thanks for the unemotional response. You're so good at the internet.
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Hope this exchange works out for all involved. Can't wait to see the results
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On August 17 2011 06:55 hXc Chris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:48 Angelbelow wrote:On August 17 2011 06:42 Executor1 wrote:On August 17 2011 06:34 Angelbelow wrote:On August 17 2011 06:31 Keikaku wrote:On August 17 2011 06:19 Neroin wrote:
It's really hard for me to see Huk join EG because I hate EG so much. Especially since the only reason is money. I get told everywhere that money is the most important thing and that depresses me a lot. Soon I have to make a similar decision when I'm done with my studies and have to decide whether to work in a large company with lots of moniez or a small one where I can live a passion. To me the decision seems easy, but I try to understand Huk's decision. It's not easy though and when I read what Huk and the other Liquid guys wrote I get angry that Huk throws that all away, again, just for money. Of course, financial stability is a nice thing to have and I don't know the details of the contract, but I'd rather be poor with good friends than rich and lonely.
I'm sorry I come off bitter but Liquid always was a fortress against stupid corporations and this deal seems to show that corporations win in the end. I really wish Huk all the best but at the same time I wish EG all the worst..
I will still cheer for him though, but as Liquid`Huk and I refuse to use his new clantag.
I don't know how long this contract will last but maybe when it's over Huk can come back to Liquid, knowing that no money in the world can compensate for what Liquid has to offer.
As much as I hate it but maybe this should be a call for Nazgul to look for bigger investors. I guess it's hard to find people in the business that share your visions and I really appreciate that he won't compromise. But I would hate to see Liquid going down because of the various issues that come along with having less funds than other teams. I wish I'd be rich or would win the lottery so I could support Liquid and give them what they deserve. Two points: 1. You're going to be working what I assume to be some sort of 9-5 job. This is not something that will become harder the longer you work at it. You show up, don't screw up and will probably end up getting more rewards either in pay or responsibilities as you move up the job ladder. Being a successful progamer, outside of a few anomalies like Nestea, is not something that most people will be able to work at for the rest of their life as a means of supporting themselves (and their families). If HuK is treating what he does as not only his passion but also his career, then this seems like absolutely the right move to do. He gets paid a "life changing" amount and gets to practice in Korean with Idra and Puma. Seems like a good deal to me. 2. There is absolutely some amount of money that can compensate for what Liquid has to offer. It might depress you, but money is absolutely important. You're not yet done with your studies so I guess you're in college, right? Sorry to burst your bubble but that "large company with lots of moniez"? If they offer you a large enough pay bump over the smaller company you are, in all likelihood, going to take that offer. So would most people in that position. HuK is doing what's best for him and, honestly, as his fan that's something that makes me happy. I don't want him taking a significant cut in pay just to stay with a team that has more fans. He's still HuK, just EG.HuK instead of Liquid.HuK. So long as he doesn't change his attitude towards practice, his general work ethic and his sense of humor, I'll always be a HuK fan To add to your wonderful response, we dont really know Huks financial situation either, so its hard for us to say "he only did it for the money." Every pro gamer strives for success both on a financial and competitive level, Huk has the wonderful opportunity to continue to do both. Well i think his competitive level will definitely decline, but by how much is the real question. No one can really deny that his training wont be as solid with just idra and puma then it would be if he stayed at the OGS house training. Idra's skill has definitely declined since he left korea to the point where its hard to say if hes even code a level, and Puma although winning NASL and beating some code s players along the way, has not really shown much consistency yet. We will have to wait and see. I still think the Huk will decline because hes moving out is a poor argument. Heres why: 1. His work ethic has proven to be world class. 2. His motivation to improve has been very well documented. I completely agree that training in the oGs house has helped him but its not because of oGs or TL, its because his determination allowed him to milk the opportunity. Not to bash the others but Ret, Tlo, haypro, and even Jinro now, havent been able to be as successful. Even within the deep team of oGs, there are only a few successful players. MC being the leader by far and code S players like top, nada, zenio and maybe supernova but beyond that their roster lacks a lot of consistency as well. Im not going to be naive and say that its a coincidence or that Huk is simply the lucky one. He is where he is because he trains 12 hour days. If his work ethic and his determination doesnt change, theres no reason to believe he will decline at all. Especially because his relationships with the oGs guys appear to be very solid, I doubt they'll abandon him now. LOL REALLY? They wont abandon him? He already abandoned them. Why do you think he already deleted all of oGs off his twitter? If you really think anyone from oGs is going to support HUK in EG when they're partnered with Liquid you're nuts.
Your argument might seem valid if you didnt have your facts wrong.
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On August 17 2011 07:01 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:56 Horse...falcon wrote:
I hope they partner with an existing Korean team to live and play with Koreans.
I don't think a three man teamhouse makes too much economic sense, will you have a coach/maid(maybe)/translator for a three man team?.
Assuming they do partner lets look at the potential candidates
Ruling out teams first
Teams with Foreign partnerships
oGs
MVP
FXO
Prime (sorta)
Teams they probably aren't on good terms with
TSL
So
Hoseo
WemadeFox
IM
SlayerS
Startale
ZeNEX
Hmmmm Slayers, startale and IM probably don't want foreign help, wemade seem to just pick up whatever foreigners who aren't on a team already connected to a korean one so either zenex or hoseo. Probably hoseo since they're doing well but I'd love if they gave zenex a helping hand their players should do better in the GTSL.
Also IM said they would never sign a player like Idra. So...
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On August 17 2011 07:12 hXc Chris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 07:00 Angelbelow wrote:On August 17 2011 06:55 hXc Chris wrote:On August 17 2011 06:48 Angelbelow wrote:On August 17 2011 06:42 Executor1 wrote:On August 17 2011 06:34 Angelbelow wrote:On August 17 2011 06:31 Keikaku wrote:On August 17 2011 06:19 Neroin wrote:
It's really hard for me to see Huk join EG because I hate EG so much. Especially since the only reason is money. I get told everywhere that money is the most important thing and that depresses me a lot. Soon I have to make a similar decision when I'm done with my studies and have to decide whether to work in a large company with lots of moniez or a small one where I can live a passion. To me the decision seems easy, but I try to understand Huk's decision. It's not easy though and when I read what Huk and the other Liquid guys wrote I get angry that Huk throws that all away, again, just for money. Of course, financial stability is a nice thing to have and I don't know the details of the contract, but I'd rather be poor with good friends than rich and lonely.
I'm sorry I come off bitter but Liquid always was a fortress against stupid corporations and this deal seems to show that corporations win in the end. I really wish Huk all the best but at the same time I wish EG all the worst..
I will still cheer for him though, but as Liquid`Huk and I refuse to use his new clantag.
I don't know how long this contract will last but maybe when it's over Huk can come back to Liquid, knowing that no money in the world can compensate for what Liquid has to offer.
As much as I hate it but maybe this should be a call for Nazgul to look for bigger investors. I guess it's hard to find people in the business that share your visions and I really appreciate that he won't compromise. But I would hate to see Liquid going down because of the various issues that come along with having less funds than other teams. I wish I'd be rich or would win the lottery so I could support Liquid and give them what they deserve. Two points: 1. You're going to be working what I assume to be some sort of 9-5 job. This is not something that will become harder the longer you work at it. You show up, don't screw up and will probably end up getting more rewards either in pay or responsibilities as you move up the job ladder. Being a successful progamer, outside of a few anomalies like Nestea, is not something that most people will be able to work at for the rest of their life as a means of supporting themselves (and their families). If HuK is treating what he does as not only his passion but also his career, then this seems like absolutely the right move to do. He gets paid a "life changing" amount and gets to practice in Korean with Idra and Puma. Seems like a good deal to me. 2. There is absolutely some amount of money that can compensate for what Liquid has to offer. It might depress you, but money is absolutely important. You're not yet done with your studies so I guess you're in college, right? Sorry to burst your bubble but that "large company with lots of moniez"? If they offer you a large enough pay bump over the smaller company you are, in all likelihood, going to take that offer. So would most people in that position. HuK is doing what's best for him and, honestly, as his fan that's something that makes me happy. I don't want him taking a significant cut in pay just to stay with a team that has more fans. He's still HuK, just EG.HuK instead of Liquid.HuK. So long as he doesn't change his attitude towards practice, his general work ethic and his sense of humor, I'll always be a HuK fan To add to your wonderful response, we dont really know Huks financial situation either, so its hard for us to say "he only did it for the money." Every pro gamer strives for success both on a financial and competitive level, Huk has the wonderful opportunity to continue to do both. Well i think his competitive level will definitely decline, but by how much is the real question. No one can really deny that his training wont be as solid with just idra and puma then it would be if he stayed at the OGS house training. Idra's skill has definitely declined since he left korea to the point where its hard to say if hes even code a level, and Puma although winning NASL and beating some code s players along the way, has not really shown much consistency yet. We will have to wait and see. I still think the Huk will decline because hes moving out is a poor argument. Heres why: 1. His work ethic has proven to be world class. 2. His motivation to improve has been very well documented. I completely agree that training in the oGs house has helped him but its not because of oGs or TL, its because his determination allowed him to milk the opportunity. Not to bash the others but Ret, Tlo, haypro, and even Jinro now, havent been able to be as successful. Even within the deep team of oGs, there are only a few successful players. MC being the leader by far and code S players like top, nada, zenio and maybe supernova but beyond that their roster lacks a lot of consistency as well. Im not going to be naive and say that its a coincidence or that Huk is simply the lucky one. He is where he is because he trains 12 hour days. If his work ethic and his determination doesnt change, theres no reason to believe he will decline at all. Especially because his relationships with the oGs guys appear to be very solid, I doubt they'll abandon him now. LOL REALLY? They wont abandon him? He already abandoned them. Why do you think he already deleted all of oGs off his twitter? If you really think anyone from oGs is going to support HUK in EG when they're partnered with Liquid you're nuts. Boy oh boy. How emotional you are. Youre understandably angry so I'll point out nicely that you are a prototypical bandwagon fan and that the facts you've listed in your post are wrong. Dont get too mad when EG inevitably begins start winning. Oh wow that cool calm and collective post that you just laid out there said just about nothing. If I was a bandwagon fan wouldnt my favorite player switching to EG motivate me to support EG instead of saying "All of my support stays with Liquid?" I'm sorry but you make zero sense but thanks for the unemotional response. You're so good at the internet.
You continue to make mistakes. Did you not say Huk was your favorite player? Doesnt sound like you have a very good foundation if he was your favorite player. Perhaps you should have said TL is my favorite team. That would have made more sense.
You did say Huk was your favorite player right? and you also said that Huk deleted all the oGs members from his twitter right? If you want to be taken seriously you cant make these kinds of posts, you seem like a little whinny school girl.
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Wow, thats gonna be one sick good practice environment.
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