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On August 17 2011 06:18 Ozrak wrote:
If I were in control of EG finances I would do the following> EG needs to have two teams: pro-gamers and community outreach.
Keep Idra, Puma, Huk and DeMuslim as pro-gamers.
Trim the fat. Release Machine, LZ, Axlav and StrifeCo to make space for the pro-gamer team. Poach Naniwa for pro-gamer team and any other high profile Korean that wants money. Or if they want, trade the space that Machine, LZ, Axlav and StrifeCo take for some of those "up and coming" Koreans like team NS.HoSeo.
Keep Incontrol and together with Anna they can be house managers and spokespersons.
EG will now take over the world.
Yeah I would agree with this. I think it's a matter of time before they let go some of their lesser players and become a really good pro team.
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On August 17 2011 06:15 Corrik wrote:
I'm not sure. Idra was decent when Rainbow was finishing top 4 every GSL and Fruitdealer was considered good.
It's possible just a lot better players have risen up the ranks since then. Idra might not be Code S caliber now.
Yeah, I agree. As a Zerg nowadays, you have to be on the level of Zenio or Nestea to be able to sustain in Code S. Idra is going to need to improve quite a bit to get to that level and I'm just not sure if he has the work ethic to be able to do that. Practicing 3 hours a day isn't going to cut it at that level...hell, it's not even cutting it in the foreign scene level. Although, I could easily see EG picking up some more Koreans once they have a permanent presence in Korea.
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Russian Federation73 Posts
Now I understand why Huk gave Sheth free win yesterday.
He knew he's will be in Korea at blizzcon time and also it was farewell gift.
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i don`t even care Huk joined EG im just happy Idra will transform into Grack again once he goes to korea. That`s the biggest news for me.
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SirScoots have been around the game for a long while, so I don't think anybody in the gaming world can question what he does with his budget and finances.
This signing of Huk is the most significant deal for a non-Korean esports team and the western version of SKT1 acquiring Bisu from MBC. If you are a fan of HuK, then you should be happy at the fact that he's going to well off for awhile. If you are unhappy, you are a fan of TL and not HuK.
This is also a very serious commitment from EG that they want to win instead of just having personalities on their team. What they do in Korea is going to be the next big discussion. Today is a good day for competitive gaming.
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On August 17 2011 06:23 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:15 Corrik wrote:
I'm not sure. Idra was decent when Rainbow was finishing top 4 every GSL and Fruitdealer was considered good.
It's possible just a lot better players have risen up the ranks since then. Idra might not be Code S caliber now. Yeah, I agree. As a Zerg nowadays, you have to be on the level of Zenio or Nestea to be able to sustain in Code S. Idra is going to need to improve quite a bit to get to that level and I'm just not sure if he has the work ethic to be able to do that. Practicing 3 hours a day isn't going to cut it at that level...hell, it's not even cutting it in the foreign scene level. Although, I could easily see EG picking up some more Koreans once they have a permanent presence in Korea.
Why do you keep saying this when he's been practicing for 8 hours a day and has practiced in a BW house before? He understands work ethic more than almost any other foreigner.
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so...idra realized korea is the epicenter of sc2..probably becuase he was distracted so much by machine and incontrol lolol workingout everyday instead of focusing on sc2.
GL HuK
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PuMa, HuK and IdrA in korea. This could is cool!
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On August 17 2011 06:29 IMBAkorean wrote:
so...idra realized korea is the epicenter of sc2..probably becuase he was distracted so much by machine and incontrol lolol workingout everyday instead of focusing on sc2.
GL HuK
Holy crap people actually believe working out means you dont practice SC 2 a lot.
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On August 17 2011 06:19 Neroin wrote:
It's really hard for me to see Huk join EG because I hate EG so much. Especially since the only reason is money. I get told everywhere that money is the most important thing and that depresses me a lot. Soon I have to make a similar decision when I'm done with my studies and have to decide whether to work in a large company with lots of moniez or a small one where I can live a passion. To me the decision seems easy, but I try to understand Huk's decision. It's not easy though and when I read what Huk and the other Liquid guys wrote I get angry that Huk throws that all away, again, just for money. Of course, financial stability is a nice thing to have and I don't know the details of the contract, but I'd rather be poor with good friends than rich and lonely.
I'm sorry I come off bitter but Liquid always was a fortress against stupid corporations and this deal seems to show that corporations win in the end. I really wish Huk all the best but at the same time I wish EG all the worst..
I will still cheer for him though, but as Liquid`Huk and I refuse to use his new clantag.
I don't know how long this contract will last but maybe when it's over Huk can come back to Liquid, knowing that no money in the world can compensate for what Liquid has to offer.
As much as I hate it but maybe this should be a call for Nazgul to look for bigger investors. I guess it's hard to find people in the business that share your visions and I really appreciate that he won't compromise. But I would hate to see Liquid going down because of the various issues that come along with having less funds than other teams. I wish I'd be rich or would win the lottery so I could support Liquid and give them what they deserve.
Two points:
1. You're going to be working what I assume to be some sort of 9-5 job. This is not something that will become harder the longer you work at it. You show up, don't screw up and will probably end up getting more rewards either in pay or responsibilities as you move up the job ladder. Being a successful progamer, outside of a few anomalies like Nestea, is not something that most people will be able to work at for the rest of their life as a means of supporting themselves (and their families). If HuK is treating what he does as not only his passion but also his career, then this seems like absolutely the right move to do. He gets paid a "life changing" amount and gets to practice in Korean with Idra and Puma. Seems like a good deal to me.
2. There is absolutely some amount of money that can compensate for what Liquid has to offer. It might depress you, but money is absolutely important. You're not yet done with your studies so I guess you're in college, right? Sorry to burst your bubble but that "large company with lots of moniez"? If they offer you a large enough pay bump over the smaller company you are, in all likelihood, going to take that offer. So would most people in that position. HuK is doing what's best for him and, honestly, as his fan that's something that makes me happy. I don't want him taking a significant cut in pay just to stay with a team that has more fans. He's still HuK, just EG.HuK instead of Liquid.HuK.
So long as he doesn't change his attitude towards practice, his general work ethic and his sense of humor, I'll always be a HuK fan 
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On August 17 2011 06:17 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:14 Megakenny wrote:
I dont think Idra should be given a Code A spot like that. Either he should earn one at the next MLG or have to go through the qualifiers like everyone else. Sheth didnt earn his code A spot either yet id say that his was quite deserving and I had no problem with it. In fact its a brilliant move on GOMs part. IdrA has also earned code A spots in the past 2 mlgs so he may do so again.
Idra made top-3 foreigner at MLG Anaheim anyhow so he has a spot to claim for the next code A qualifier anyhow? I figure the EG guys planned this well enough in advance to actually claim that spot.
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So... does this mean that Huk has to grow one of those awful Amish style beards that seem to be compulsory in EG these days?
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On August 17 2011 06:28 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:23 Devolved wrote:On August 17 2011 06:15 Corrik wrote:
I'm not sure. Idra was decent when Rainbow was finishing top 4 every GSL and Fruitdealer was considered good.
It's possible just a lot better players have risen up the ranks since then. Idra might not be Code S caliber now. Yeah, I agree. As a Zerg nowadays, you have to be on the level of Zenio or Nestea to be able to sustain in Code S. Idra is going to need to improve quite a bit to get to that level and I'm just not sure if he has the work ethic to be able to do that. Practicing 3 hours a day isn't going to cut it at that level...hell, it's not even cutting it in the foreign scene level. Although, I could easily see EG picking up some more Koreans once they have a permanent presence in Korea. Why do you keep saying this when he's been practicing for 8 hours a day and has practiced in a BW house before? He understands work ethic more than almost any other foreigner.
I don't "keep" saying this. It's the first time I've said that, but I'm just repeating what Idra himself said in an interview. I also recall him saying that he felt the practice regimen of Korean progamers was too much for him. It's possible I could be mis-remembering these things, so feel free to point me to where he says he practices 8 hours a day and I will stand corrected.
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On August 17 2011 06:31 Keikaku wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:19 Neroin wrote:
It's really hard for me to see Huk join EG because I hate EG so much. Especially since the only reason is money. I get told everywhere that money is the most important thing and that depresses me a lot. Soon I have to make a similar decision when I'm done with my studies and have to decide whether to work in a large company with lots of moniez or a small one where I can live a passion. To me the decision seems easy, but I try to understand Huk's decision. It's not easy though and when I read what Huk and the other Liquid guys wrote I get angry that Huk throws that all away, again, just for money. Of course, financial stability is a nice thing to have and I don't know the details of the contract, but I'd rather be poor with good friends than rich and lonely.
I'm sorry I come off bitter but Liquid always was a fortress against stupid corporations and this deal seems to show that corporations win in the end. I really wish Huk all the best but at the same time I wish EG all the worst..
I will still cheer for him though, but as Liquid`Huk and I refuse to use his new clantag.
I don't know how long this contract will last but maybe when it's over Huk can come back to Liquid, knowing that no money in the world can compensate for what Liquid has to offer.
As much as I hate it but maybe this should be a call for Nazgul to look for bigger investors. I guess it's hard to find people in the business that share your visions and I really appreciate that he won't compromise. But I would hate to see Liquid going down because of the various issues that come along with having less funds than other teams. I wish I'd be rich or would win the lottery so I could support Liquid and give them what they deserve. Two points: 1. You're going to be working what I assume to be some sort of 9-5 job. This is not something that will become harder the longer you work at it. You show up, don't screw up and will probably end up getting more rewards either in pay or responsibilities as you move up the job ladder. Being a successful progamer, outside of a few anomalies like Nestea, is not something that most people will be able to work at for the rest of their life as a means of supporting themselves (and their families). If HuK is treating what he does as not only his passion but also his career, then this seems like absolutely the right move to do. He gets paid a "life changing" amount and gets to practice in Korean with Idra and Puma. Seems like a good deal to me. 2. There is absolutely some amount of money that can compensate for what Liquid has to offer. It might depress you, but money is absolutely important. You're not yet done with your studies so I guess you're in college, right? Sorry to burst your bubble but that "large company with lots of moniez"? If they offer you a large enough pay bump over the smaller company you are, in all likelihood, going to take that offer. So would most people in that position. HuK is doing what's best for him and, honestly, as his fan that's something that makes me happy. I don't want him taking a significant cut in pay just to stay with a team that has more fans. He's still HuK, just EG.HuK instead of Liquid.HuK. So long as he doesn't change his attitude towards practice, his general work ethic and his sense of humor, I'll always be a HuK fan
To add to your wonderful response, we dont really know Huks financial situation either, so its hard for us to say "he only did it for the money." Every pro gamer strives for success both on a financial and competitive level, Huk has the wonderful opportunity to continue to do both.
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On August 17 2011 06:33 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:28 Serpico wrote:On August 17 2011 06:23 Devolved wrote:On August 17 2011 06:15 Corrik wrote:
I'm not sure. Idra was decent when Rainbow was finishing top 4 every GSL and Fruitdealer was considered good.
It's possible just a lot better players have risen up the ranks since then. Idra might not be Code S caliber now. Yeah, I agree. As a Zerg nowadays, you have to be on the level of Zenio or Nestea to be able to sustain in Code S. Idra is going to need to improve quite a bit to get to that level and I'm just not sure if he has the work ethic to be able to do that. Practicing 3 hours a day isn't going to cut it at that level...hell, it's not even cutting it in the foreign scene level. Although, I could easily see EG picking up some more Koreans once they have a permanent presence in Korea. Why do you keep saying this when he's been practicing for 8 hours a day and has practiced in a BW house before? He understands work ethic more than almost any other foreigner. I don't "keep" saying this. It's the first time I've said that, but I'm just repeating what Idra himself said in an interview. I also recall him saying that he felt the practice regimen of Korean progamers was too much for him. It's possible I could be mis-remembering these things, so feel free to point me to where he says he practices 8 hours a day and I will stand corrected.
If you don't make an effort to stay current, that's on you. They've been practicing 8 hours a day since they moved into a new house in Arizona. This isn't secret information. He was practicing 12+ hours a day in the BW days and that was overkill.
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On August 17 2011 06:12 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:11 Steamroller wrote:
GomTV needs to make resurrection video for Idra soon. They could and probably will totally cash in by giving him a code A spot and selling "the return of the gracken"
He will get a code a spot from his last MLG im pretty sure. How did he place again? it was fairly decent i think ,and huk and Naniwa dont need them, so im pretty sure greg will get a code a spot.
I think he realised that even while being in korea, with goms flexible schedule, he can still attend every tournament, and be a much better player because hes focused in korea.
Honestly im happy about Idra going back to korea, his performance has been so dissapointing in the west, and he surely isnt considered the best foreigner anymore (or really in the top 5 anymore IMO) hopefully he will redeem himself with some hard training in korea.
I still am unstoked about huk leaving TL though, i think that was a stupid move on his part, there is no way hes gonna get the same quality of training that he would in the OGS house. EG just cant provide that without buying a whole korean team.
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On August 17 2011 06:35 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:33 Devolved wrote:On August 17 2011 06:28 Serpico wrote:On August 17 2011 06:23 Devolved wrote:On August 17 2011 06:15 Corrik wrote:
I'm not sure. Idra was decent when Rainbow was finishing top 4 every GSL and Fruitdealer was considered good.
It's possible just a lot better players have risen up the ranks since then. Idra might not be Code S caliber now. Yeah, I agree. As a Zerg nowadays, you have to be on the level of Zenio or Nestea to be able to sustain in Code S. Idra is going to need to improve quite a bit to get to that level and I'm just not sure if he has the work ethic to be able to do that. Practicing 3 hours a day isn't going to cut it at that level...hell, it's not even cutting it in the foreign scene level. Although, I could easily see EG picking up some more Koreans once they have a permanent presence in Korea. Why do you keep saying this when he's been practicing for 8 hours a day and has practiced in a BW house before? He understands work ethic more than almost any other foreigner. I don't "keep" saying this. It's the first time I've said that, but I'm just repeating what Idra himself said in an interview. I also recall him saying that he felt the practice regimen of Korean progamers was too much for him. It's possible I could be mis-remembering these things, so feel free to point me to where he says he practices 8 hours a day and I will stand corrected. If you don't make an effort to stay current, that's on you. They've been practicing 8 hours a day since they moved into a new house in Arizona. This isn't secret information. He was practicing 12+ hours a day in the BW days and that was overkill.
Before that he had stated that he was only practicing 3 hours a day, it seems like he may be recommiting himself and that is good too hear.
I think he will get a code a spot, but i dunno there are some savage beasts in code a i could see him getting knocked out swiftly.
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Seriously? It's just those 3? What about the rest of the team...
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So i hear he he totally did this for the money. Props for that.
Still I`m sad that Liquid now doesn`t have the best foreigner of each race anymore :L
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On August 17 2011 06:33 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:28 Serpico wrote:On August 17 2011 06:23 Devolved wrote:On August 17 2011 06:15 Corrik wrote:
I'm not sure. Idra was decent when Rainbow was finishing top 4 every GSL and Fruitdealer was considered good.
It's possible just a lot better players have risen up the ranks since then. Idra might not be Code S caliber now. Yeah, I agree. As a Zerg nowadays, you have to be on the level of Zenio or Nestea to be able to sustain in Code S. Idra is going to need to improve quite a bit to get to that level and I'm just not sure if he has the work ethic to be able to do that. Practicing 3 hours a day isn't going to cut it at that level...hell, it's not even cutting it in the foreign scene level. Although, I could easily see EG picking up some more Koreans once they have a permanent presence in Korea. Why do you keep saying this when he's been practicing for 8 hours a day and has practiced in a BW house before? He understands work ethic more than almost any other foreigner. I don't "keep" saying this. It's the first time I've said that, but I'm just repeating what Idra himself said in an interview. I also recall him saying that he felt the practice regimen of Korean progamers was too much for him. It's possible I could be mis-remembering these things, so feel free to point me to where he says he practices 8 hours a day and I will stand corrected.
Incontrol has gone on record to say that they have mandatory 8 hour training periods split into 4 hours per session. Plus they spend the rest of their time discussing starcraft, and ofcousre, working out and watching movies =p
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