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On August 17 2011 01:55 sickoota wrote:
I have nothing but respect for nazgul but with the sick results Liquid has been putting up lately its kinda disheartening they can't get more sponosors (razer is just an equipment sponsor afaik). The disconnect between results - money between EG and Liquid is really weird, obviously EG is 100 times more established but they keep grabbing NEW sponsors despite middling results, while Liquid tops everything and still only has one. Hopefully something is already worked out for the impending end of the TLAF contract.
EG has much more exposure for sponsors across multiple genres of gaming. Liquid is solely SC-centric.
If I were a company looking to sponsor a team, I'd choose the one with decent records across a wide array of games instead of just one game.
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I still think there is more to this.
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On August 17 2011 01:10 EGalex wrote:
For EG, this is a very big moment. We're adding an amazing player to our team in HuK, and we're looking forward to the amazing results that the combination of HuK, IdrA, and PuMa training together in Korea will undoubtedly produce.
Gonna see about that.
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On August 17 2011 01:58 VAGZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:51 Jinivus wrote:On August 17 2011 01:49 SafeAsCheese wrote:On August 17 2011 01:48 Jinivus wrote:On August 17 2011 01:47 Bobster wrote:
Sick team up.
Two of the three best non-Korean players now on one team. :o One of the three. stop overrating Idra guys, maybe if he gets alot better in Korea that will be true. Did you not watch any SC2 in 2010? Do you remember the two foreigners who actually did well in GSL? Did you miss the part where this isn't 2010 and idra is 0-15 against koreans and like 3-8 vs europeans in his recent games? Oh wait I forgot he beat tandangho in eg Masters Cup. 2-15. This. IdrA really has to improve much if he is to have any chance at getting code S to begin with. He probably was the best foreigner 2010 but now he's not even top 5 in my opinion.
Sadly, I agree. Well, Top 5 is probably close but #1 seems a stretch.
He'll get Code A from MLG so at least he's got a starting point, hopefully he can move up.
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On August 17 2011 01:56 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:53 Nutworth wrote:
I don't understand why there's such a large discrepancy between how people react to businesses and how people react to teams.
Nobody criticizes a programmer for taking a new job for more money, why are we criticizing a pro gamer for taking more money? People didn't like it when Lebron left Cleveland. People didn't like it when A-Rod went to New York. The community reaction shouldn't surprise anyone. It's not just business for a fan who's emotionally invested in a team or a player.
Well said. A big part of being a fan IS being emotionally invested and I actually love it how people can be so passionate about this scene that they will be upset. We're not machines who think only about business, we're fans. Our brains may understand the decision financially but that doesn't mean our hearts have to like it.
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On August 17 2011 01:57 Scribble wrote:
FXO buys out all of fOu...no hate
Liquid signs Hero formerly of oGs...no hate
EG signs Huk formerly of Liquid...thread full of hate.
Something is not quite right with this picture. It's less rational than all the NASL hate, and even that was well beyond ridiculous.
What site are you on? *takes a look* oh TEAM LIQUID! EG just signed Liquid's best and most beloved player, and you're not expecting this reaction right now?
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EG really needs to add another high level player or two and compete in the GSTL. Although I guess they almost definitely will...
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On August 17 2011 01:11 Shalaiyn wrote:
I personally wonder what motivated IdrA to return, he said he might return for Code S, but I doubt he's receiving a seed.
Probably the fact that he's losing a lot these days. I think he returned to USA in the first place because he thought he could just crush non koreans and win money at foreign events. Clearly, that hasn't happened, and HuK has shown it's still better to train in Korea and then fly to these other events.
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On August 17 2011 01:58 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:51 Ozcollo wrote:On August 17 2011 01:45 Talin wrote:On August 17 2011 01:40 Ozcollo wrote:On August 17 2011 01:38 Talin wrote:On August 17 2011 01:37 legaton wrote:
Liquid players at Blizzcon: 2
EG players at Blizzcon: 0
Liquid still number one It's only the beginning. The more money they dump like this, the more they fail. Karma is a bitch. How is one team having more money than another mean they have bad Karma. It seems like sales for Ben and Jerry's and Oprah viewership is going to raise. Kleenex will also make a killing from all the tears, lol. It's not about having the money, it's about how you use it. FXO could buy off EG ten times over, but look at how they're building a team. EG won't fail because of the abstract notion of "karma", they will fail because they're not capable to actually manage a team after buying off the players. They will fail for the same reason they have been failing so far, the only problem is that they keep dragging players with great potential down with them. Idra, Grubby (luckily he got away), Demuslim... Puma and sadly HuK are only the last in this line. Actually one can only hope they are the last. idrA is heading back to Korea with Huk and PuMa. I think they're using their money well, their team is only getting better. You're the one that mentioned Karma btw and I'd also like to see FXO try and buyout all of EG, lol. You just sound like another hater brah. Their players didn't win anything since MLG DC. Every single one of them has been getting progressively worse since they joined EG. Also, regarding being a hater, I don't really see a problem with that. When one organization is continuously, for about a year, acting in a way that goes against everything you like, value and/or believe in in the Starcraft community, what else is there to feel towards them? Obviously I'm not going to like them, and they made it really difficult to even be indifferent towards them. I'm literally looking forward to the day they disappear from the SC2 scene.
idrA won IPL. idrA has also placed highly in most tournaments behind the Koreans. I actually see them getting better now since they're actually practicing hard. I'm also looking forward to the day that irrational man-children disappear from the community that have no idea how the real world works.
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EG is pretty bad with either having an announcement that's either not worth the hype or an announcement that everyone figures out too easily.
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Good luck Huk. I doubt anyone is gonna blame you for taking the bigger payday. They just aint gonna like it.
EGHuK fighting!
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This news made me realize for the first time that I'm actually a fan of Team Liquid.
Sucks to see Huk go..especially to EG, hope he can continue to improve and have success but I don't see how leaving the oGs house can be good for anyone who wants to improve at SC2..
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On August 17 2011 02:00 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:56 MrBitter wrote:On August 17 2011 01:53 Nutworth wrote:
I don't understand why there's such a large discrepancy between how people react to businesses and how people react to teams.
Nobody criticizes a programmer for taking a new job for more money, why are we criticizing a pro gamer for taking more money? People didn't like it when Lebron left Cleveland. People didn't like it when A-Rod went to New York. The community reaction shouldn't surprise anyone. It's not just business for a fan who's emotionally invested in a team or a player. Well said. A big part of being a fan IS being emotionally invested and I actually love it how people can be so passionate about this scene that they will be upset. We're not machines who think only about business, we're fans. Our brains may understand the decision financially but that doesn't mean our hearts have to like it.
What's even more annoying, is that people say you're wrong for feeling that way. Like their way of thinking is the only right one lol and you have no choice on whether to dislike it or not.
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LOL at all the fanboys in here. Stop saying Liquid is what made Huk good and now he will suck. It is well known that Huk is one of the hardest workers in the game. The oGs connection obviously helped him a lot, but Jinro was the only real player on Liquid he could reliably practice with. Huk got good because he trained in Korea and worked his ass off. Nothing is changing in that regard. And he will still have the Korean practice partners he developed.
Also, stop whining that this doesn't match the hype. EG was asking for some hype, yes, but it was bored nerds f5'ing in a 600 page thread at 2 am that got this to the level of people actually expecting multiple Brood War pros signing on a new EG-IM partnership. Eg built a simple web page with a few mysterious audio clips and some fun cryptic tweets. Signing the current top foreigner away from the scenes most beloved team and sending the most popular sc2 player in the world back to Korea is huge news. I'm sure it may be a tad underwhelming for those who invested a lot of time in the speculation thread, but you only have yourselves to blame for that.
Lastly, stop giving EG shit for this. Signing a free agent(or a soon to be FA) is common place in every industry around. Furthermore, relations between the 2 teams(who have had some issues with each other not too long ago) seem to have been completely respectful and fair. Huk worked his ass off and deserves to be rewarded. You guys have to realize that investing full-time in Starcraft during a crucial period of your young-adulthood is a very risky move careerwise. These guys have relatively short careers and every dollar counts.
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i thought idra mooved to the US because he is happier living there in the first place - also i feel that Huk would get much better training with OGS living in Korea rather than 3 people
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On August 17 2011 01:54 busbarn wrote:
Cool move for EG. Bad move by HuK. I feel like he gets better training in the oGs house, but what do I know.
This contract was, and a I quote, "potentially life-changing" in it's magnitude. It's a bad move by HuK to cash in on all of his skill for a contracted amount of time? O_o Seems like a pretty god damn intelligent way to make a sizable amount of money while remaining in Korea to train. Besides, HuK still has a number of close relationships with oGs members that will allow him to train with them for specific match-ups when necessary. Additionally, once PuMa and Idra are in Korea, then he will have an amazing opportunity to work closely with some of the most talented players on any foreign team! Beyond that, there is no reason why EG will not partner with any number of Korean teams to create a hybrid team for the GSTL which would open up additional training opportunities!
Sometimes I swear, people just type without actually thinking about what they write.
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Well that Huks... Moving from his brotoss MC to bunk with Idra surely can't work out too well. Though HuK did say he'd bonded with idra over food at some point. Could be double the childish BM for the american kids to admire. Oh well here's hoping it at least provides some intergame dramas to talk about.
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On August 17 2011 01:49 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:48 Jinivus wrote:On August 17 2011 01:47 Bobster wrote:
Sick team up.
Two of the three best non-Korean players now on one team. :o One of the three. stop overrating Idra guys, maybe if he gets alot better in Korea that will be true. Did you not watch any SC2 in 2010? Do you remember the two foreigners who actually did well in GSL?
Of course we remember! Who could forget about Huk and Jinro?
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I wonder how the wage disparity is between the players in EG. Huk/IdrA probably have very similar salaries, Incontrol in second (mainly because of his exposure on SotG), Demuslim, then bam everyone else probably only being fed and accomated for travel costs with no real salaries.
Edit: Oops forgot about Puma. He's probably right behind IdrA/HuK.
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