Designated Balance Discussion Thread - Page 54

On August 23 2011 08:44 rdr wrote:
can someone explain why emp isn't researched like storm is and fungal to for that matter?

On August 23 2011 08:53 mousepad wrote:


So you're arguing they should start with Snipe and Spawn Infested Terran only (ie one ability)? Should Templars need form Archon to be researchable or Feedback?

Primary casting units have some fairly circumstantial abilities and are a fairly high investment in gas to produce. If you don't give them enough abiliites that are useful from the start, you end up weakening the army compostion severely against someone who invested in a pure core army (Roaches, Marine Maurader, etc).

On August 23 2011 06:29 tallbus1 wrote:
There's a pretty simple solution this. Reduce warpgate research time by 40 seconds.
Reduce warpgate cooldown by 1 second. Balance Protoss early game.

On August 23 2011 08:57 babjengi wrote:


Because... you know... feedback isn't a purely situational ability at all...

On August 23 2011 08:44 rdr wrote:
can someone explain why emp isn't researched like storm is and fungal to for that matter?

On August 23 2011 09:04 mousepad wrote:



Yes I know Feedback is powerful. (Lol, I came to this thread about to voice my concerns about it, but ended up rage posting at this guy). Besides the point, anyways, since this fellow (rdr)'s orginal post was complaining about fungal and EMP only.

On August 22 2011 23:58 Myrddraal wrote:
I have a few balance suggestions to get Protoss back into the game PvT, possibly help with PvZ and also make playing or watching Protoss generally more interesting.
I am not saying all of these should be done or if they would certainly improve the situation, just that they are possibilities that could be explored.

1. Remove the Templar Archives, and allow hts to be built after the Twilight Council. Storm would be upgraded in the Council.
- This would mean Toss could get the hts out earlier, hopefully in time for 1-1-1 allowing the Toss to feedback raven, banshees and possibly storm the marines
- May require significant change to storm damage (then if storm is weaker maybe make hts cheaper/faster)
- With HT's more accessable I think this would also allow Protoss to vary their compositions significantly (including compositions involving archons) as Protoss army comp always seems so similar and stale (or else they just don't quite work, ie Naniwa vs TSLHeart; zealot archon was interesting but with a few emps and good kiting they just evaporated)

2. Either make charge cheaper (is charge really worth twice as much as stim? as well as needing a cyber core and a twilight council as opposed to a tech lab)
Or split up Zealot speed and charge, put speed in the cyber core and charge in the council, even make charge require speed if need be.
- Would make zealots more useful and give the Protoss more options early on

3. Increase Stalkers rate of fire, reduce attack animation time and remove their bonus to armoured (In such a way that their dps to armoured is similar or slightly higher while their damage to light is increased) . I think this could help in a few ways.
- Increase the skill caps for Protoss players by allowing them to get more out of their stalkers via kiting
- Increase the reward for blink stalkers as a harassment unit against workers
- Give stalkers in low numbers a fighting chance against banshees
- Increase stalker effectiveness against large amounts of marines, hence reduce the need for aoe against large numbers of marines

4. Switch the raven abilities Hunter Seeker Missile and Point Defense Drone, meaning that pdd must be upgraded.
- Would make the 1-1-1 builds involving a Raven take a little bit longer and cost a little bit more, but would not severely affect other matchups because arguably pdd is better and the only other time Ravens are generally used is in TvT and not usually until two mech Terrans have decided to transition to air

On August 23 2011 09:25 SPQRGaius wrote:


Protoss already has an AOE unit in the colossus that is very good. And the fact that feedback is the counter to all the other abilities you were talking about didn't come to mind?
P.S. Zerg's caster is the only one that doesn't have a relevant ability against other casters. If Infestors spawned only being able to spit infested terran then the casters would be imba

On August 23 2011 09:32 H0i wrote:

EMP has 3 more range than feedback, and removes 100 shields and is AoE and removes energy. It basically counters the entire protoss race for a low amount of money and it takes minimal time to reach.

To feedback infestors you need to be in range. Having HT in front of your army is quite stupid. Infestors usually are moved to the front of the army to fungal and then quickly, with their much higher speed than HT, run away.

Explain to me how feedback really counters ghosts, infestors and all those other abilities? Hint: it doesn't if players actually micro.

On August 23 2011 09:32 H0i wrote:

To feedback infestors you need to be in range. Having HT in front of your army is quite stupid. Infestors usually are moved to the front of the army to fungal and then quickly, with their much higher speed than HT, run away.