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On December 25 2015 18:31 sibs wrote:
The only statistic that really matters is GSL/SSL stats no?
DH & HSC was a bunch of foreigners, crazy skill mismatches.
Seems P>=Z>>>>T , PvT seems specially broken, ZvT seems pretty balanced actually.
Assuming only Korean statistics matter
GSL
PvT 54–45 (54.55%)
PvZ 50–75 (40.00%)
TvZ 41–52 (44.09%)
SSL
PvT 33–24 (57.89%)
PvZ 28–24 (53.85%)
TvZ 17–26 (39.53%)
Total
PvT 55,7%
PvZ 44.0%
TvZ 42,6%
How is 55,7% broken and 42,6% pretty balanced?
Also how is P>=Z ?
Also HSC was basically all best players from european scene from each race+ 1/2 average Koreans.
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Stuttering into the natural mineral line during photon overcharge has been a frequent play from 3rax after CC openings in HotS. And was quite game winning in some games.
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are those Korean statistics real keglu? legit numberrs?
I watch GSL every day and zerg often lose. Look at SOLAR yesterday ! He is best player in the world and lost to jjaki terran 
Yesterday was 3 games zerg and 2 zergs lost.
and herO (protoss) won GSL code S seed last time
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another Zerg out. I think the statistics might be super wrong
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@A_needle_jog
I wonder if you are a super troll or what not? You enjoyed a temp ban and didn't learn anything?
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On December 25 2015 20:13 Laserist wrote:
@A_needle_jog
I wonder if you are a super troll or what not? You enjoyed a temp ban and didn't learn anything?
Zergs not allowed to whine in the balance whine thread? :D
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On December 25 2015 19:59 A_needle_jog wrote:are those Korean statistics real keglu? legit numberrs? I watch GSL every day and zerg often lose. Look at SOLAR yesterday ! He is best player in the world and lost to jjaki terran Yesterday was 3 games zerg and 2 zergs lost. and herO (protoss) won GSL code S seed last time
I just copied them. Zerg lose more in in week 2 GSL but it was not the case during SSL qualifiers and GSL week 1.
"Best" terran in TvZ Byun lost yesterday to Losira. What im trying to say i would not call Solar/Byun best players currently because they played Lotv longer.
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On December 25 2015 20:13 Laserist wrote:
@A_needle_jog
I wonder if you are a super troll or what not? You enjoyed a temp ban and didn't learn anything?
I think you are wrong and my personal opinion of you is that I do not like you.
You are free to your opinion, but in my opinion you are wrong.
Have a nice day.
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On December 25 2015 20:17 keglu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2015 19:59 A_needle_jog wrote:are those Korean statistics real keglu? legit numberrs? I watch GSL every day and zerg often lose. Look at SOLAR yesterday ! He is best player in the world and lost to jjaki terran Yesterday was 3 games zerg and 2 zergs lost. and herO (protoss) won GSL code S seed last time I just copied them. Zerg lose more in in week 2 GSL but it was not the case during SSL qualifiers and GSL week 1. "Best" terran in TvZ Byun lost yesterday to Losira. What im trying to say i would not call Solar/Byun best players currently because they played Lotv longer.
Yes. we need bigger sample size  leets see numbers in 2-3 months !
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On December 25 2015 20:14 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2015 20:13 Laserist wrote:
@A_needle_jog
I wonder if you are a super troll or what not? You enjoyed a temp ban and didn't learn anything? Zergs not allowed to whine in the balance whine thread? :D
Rather I'd call it poor post history.
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France12907 Posts
This troll still active? I guess we'll have to wait more time.
So basically the fun thing is that people are so used to see terrans lose that they think it's a super imba race when it does not (or they say "see hahaha terran not weak you bloody noobs!") but I don't think winrates can go below a certain point in starcraft because there is always a way to circumvent imbalances, that will work a decent amount of times because of the lack of information / fog of war.
The GSL/SSL stats are interesting but I don't know if they use the same mappool (which is quite restricted with vetoes) and if the mappool allows for balanced series at all.
I'll try and see if the protoss playing in the SSL are better than the ones in the GSL which might explain the différence in.winrate.
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Some people seem to forget that balance is a thing concerning three races. Very sad to see Protoss and Terran players not accepting Zerg players are human being.
I hope that can change in the future. We are all humans and like starcraft. Please stop the hate guys. 
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On December 25 2015 20:49 Poopi wrote:
This troll still active? I guess we'll have to wait more time.
So basically the fun thing is that people are so used to see terrans lose that they think it's a super imba race when it does not (or they say "see hahaha terran not weak you bloody noobs!") but I don't think winrates can go below a certain point in starcraft because there is always a way to circumvent imbalances, that will work a decent amount of times because of the lack of information / fog of war.
The GSL/SSL stats are interesting but I don't know if they use the same mappool (which is quite restricted with vetoes) and if the mappool allows for balanced series at all.
I'll try and see if the protoss playing in the SSL are better than the ones in the GSL which might explain the différence in.winrate.
Why would you assume that the win rates would be similar with such a small sample pool?
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On December 25 2015 20:56 A_needle_jog wrote:Some people seem to forget that balance is a thing concerning three races. Very sad to see Protoss and Terran players not accepting Zerg players are human being. I hope that can change in the future. We are all humans and like starcraft. Please stop the hate guys.
wait, what?
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On December 25 2015 21:11 keglu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2015 20:56 A_needle_jog wrote:Some people seem to forget that balance is a thing concerning three races. Very sad to see Protoss and Terran players not accepting Zerg players are human being. I hope that can change in the future. We are all humans and like starcraft. Please stop the hate guys. wait, what?
Its christmas time and we should all be nice. People call me troll because sometimes my english is confusing 
It is hard to find the right words. Everyone is annoyed so fast when I speak, but I mean good.
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On December 25 2015 21:12 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2015 21:11 keglu wrote:On December 25 2015 20:56 A_needle_jog wrote:Some people seem to forget that balance is a thing concerning three races. Very sad to see Protoss and Terran players not accepting Zerg players are human being. I hope that can change in the future. We are all humans and like starcraft. Please stop the hate guys. wait, what? Its christmas time and we should all be nice. People call me troll because sometimes my english is confusing It is hard to find the right words. Everyone is annoyed so fast when I speak, but I mean good.
Your English wasn't confusing when you lashed out at other guy with a fuck you
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On December 25 2015 21:15 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2015 21:12 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 25 2015 21:11 keglu wrote:On December 25 2015 20:56 A_needle_jog wrote:Some people seem to forget that balance is a thing concerning three races. Very sad to see Protoss and Terran players not accepting Zerg players are human being. I hope that can change in the future. We are all humans and like starcraft. Please stop the hate guys. wait, what? Its christmas time and we should all be nice. People call me troll because sometimes my english is confusing It is hard to find the right words. Everyone is annoyed so fast when I speak, but I mean good. Your English wasn't confusing when you lashed out at other guy with a fuck you
Thank you for words of confidence. I am constantly improving watching british television
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On December 25 2015 19:56 keglu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2015 18:31 sibs wrote:
The only statistic that really matters is GSL/SSL stats no?
DH & HSC was a bunch of foreigners, crazy skill mismatches.
Seems P>=Z>>>>T , PvT seems specially broken, ZvT seems pretty balanced actually. Assuming only Korean statistics matter GSL PvT 54–45 (54.55%) PvZ 50–75 (40.00%) TvZ 41–52 (44.09%) SSL PvT 33–24 (57.89%) PvZ 28–24 (53.85%) TvZ 17–26 (39.53%) Total PvT 55,7% PvZ 44.0% TvZ 42,6% How is 55,7% broken and 42,6% pretty balanced? Also how is P>=Z ? Also HSC was basically all best players from european scene from each race+ 1/2 average Koreans.
Not arguing with your claims, just pointing out to anyone using these statistics that one Bo3 going the other way makes >1% difference on the final result. Variance is just too high to make conclusions. I'm pretty sure that if you took such a small sample from any period considered reasonably balanced, you'd get similar numbers more often than not.
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On December 25 2015 21:22 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2015 19:56 keglu wrote:On December 25 2015 18:31 sibs wrote:
The only statistic that really matters is GSL/SSL stats no?
DH & HSC was a bunch of foreigners, crazy skill mismatches.
Seems P>=Z>>>>T , PvT seems specially broken, ZvT seems pretty balanced actually. Assuming only Korean statistics matter GSL PvT 54–45 (54.55%) PvZ 50–75 (40.00%) TvZ 41–52 (44.09%) SSL PvT 33–24 (57.89%) PvZ 28–24 (53.85%) TvZ 17–26 (39.53%) Total PvT 55,7% PvZ 44.0% TvZ 42,6% How is 55,7% broken and 42,6% pretty balanced? Also how is P>=Z ? Also HSC was basically all best players from european scene from each race+ 1/2 average Koreans. Not arguing with your claims, just pointing out to anyone using these statistics that one Bo3 going the other way makes >1% difference on the final result. Variance is just too high to make conclusions. I'm pretty sure that if you took such a small sample from any period considered reasonably balanced, you'd get similar numbers more often than not.
Good post. Like I said we need more time. But it looks like David Kim gives in into pressure.
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On December 25 2015 21:17 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2015 21:15 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 25 2015 21:12 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 25 2015 21:11 keglu wrote:On December 25 2015 20:56 A_needle_jog wrote:Some people seem to forget that balance is a thing concerning three races. Very sad to see Protoss and Terran players not accepting Zerg players are human being. I hope that can change in the future. We are all humans and like starcraft. Please stop the hate guys. wait, what? Its christmas time and we should all be nice. People call me troll because sometimes my english is confusing It is hard to find the right words. Everyone is annoyed so fast when I speak, but I mean good. Your English wasn't confusing when you lashed out at other guy with a fuck you Thank you for words of confidence. I am constantly improving watching british television
I believe it is not because of English skills rather attitude:
For enjoyment : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/500607-this-weeks-balance-test-map?page=3#46
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