EPTHehe, stupid TL-time. It's still 45mins to my birthday.
Of course, thank you anyways!
Designated Balance Discussion Thread - Page 1135
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Hehe, stupid TL-time. It's still 45mins to my birthday. Of course, thank you anyways! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27291 Posts
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Dwayn
Germany949 Posts
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HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
On October 10 2014 08:22 Dwayn wrote: That's not true, you need at least 20 ravens to autowin vs zerg else you might run out of energy.This mass raven bullshit is tilting me so much. There's nothing you can do once terran has a bunch of raven. NOTHING. Mined 10x more than him? Who cares. His army is invincible. They might as well add a 'make 10 ravens' win condition. | ||
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parkufarku
882 Posts
On October 10 2014 08:22 Dwayn wrote: This mass raven bullshit is tilting me so much. There's nothing you can do once terran has a bunch of raven. NOTHING. Mined 10x more than him? Who cares. His army is invincible. They might as well add a 'make 10 ravens' win condition. Watch Dwf come in here and tell you you can just "fungal" them and finish them off with mutas / corrupters....or better yet... "better make nydus worms" | ||
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duckk
United States622 Posts
On October 10 2014 08:52 parkufarku wrote: Watch Dwf come in here and tell you you can just "fungal" them and finish them off with mutas / corrupters....or better yet... "better make nydus worms" Actually I've started using nydus vs mech because if they hsm a infestor it automatically dies, and this way they can live. I do agree though once the terran starts making ravens he automatically wins if he is good. I don't see how blizzard could touch the sh or raven without making the other one too strong though. Fungal does not stop ravens unless the terran is... lol | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On October 10 2014 08:22 Dwayn wrote: This mass raven bullshit is tilting me so much. There's nothing you can do once terran has a bunch of raven. NOTHING. Mined 10x more than him? Who cares. His army is invincible. They might as well add a 'make 10 ravens' win condition. I refuse to build mass Raves, but i have similar feelings about mass SHs on some maps. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Mass Raven is easy to beat. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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Lexender
Mexico2661 Posts
On October 10 2014 08:52 parkufarku wrote: Watch Dwf come in here and tell you you can just "fungal" them and finish them off with mutas / corrupters....or better yet... "better make nydus worms" You mean like this? Altough I agree with you as I really hate mass raven, theres a reason is done is very few ocasions, if it was super imba everybody would do it but there's a reason is very rare, even the players that like meching prefer aggressive mech to mass raven, however I've seen times where even with aggressive mech you end up in a very lategame scenario, but you can't really nerf ravens without killing mech altogether because of relation between Ravens <-> Swarm Host. Altough seeing some of the comments on here I wouldn't be surprised if thats what the people in this want, is like if terran having options other than MMM would be something outrageous . Well, Protosses started going Templar because SCV pulls were so strong against "fast" 3rds with upgrades. That way you could still get upgrades and survive a possible SCV pull. Mine buff has killed HT opening. So now we're back to SCV pulls vs. colo. The only option is to delay the expansion/upgrades in favor of more units. So P now has to play with less economy and lower upgrades against an opponent hard countering their build (Marauder Viking vs. Stalker Colo). Yeah it sucks. Well Terrans started going bio becuase immortals were so strong against "fast" 3rds with mech. That way they could still get bases and survive a posible 2 base zealot/immorta/archon. Immortals has killed mech play. Now were back to bio 2 base colo vs bio. The only option is to delay the 3rd in favor of more vikings and bunkers. So now T has to play with 5 rax and only T1 units against and opponent hard countering their build (Colossus vs bio) Yeah we can do that too, don't talk like protosses suddenly are super weak because you have to get colossus when the protoss players ALWAYS knows that the terran is going reaper FE into bio, also marauder and vikings don't hard counter colossus builds, colossus builds have been around since WoL without any changes at all, making marauders is standard in TvP anyways, you wan't to get them no matter what the opponent is doing (unless some weird void ray bust or something like that). And SCV pulls have fallen of the meta hard, they get too easily stopped, and if they fall you're pretty much dead. Don't take this the harsh way I too want more variety in the match up and I'm in favor in getting HT openers back but don't talk like protoss is being super weak because of that when terrans have even less options than protoss. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
I think if Major plays with more tanks/ravens maybe 2 Thors and much less vikings (only like 20vikings all together), he should have that game. Snute burned through too much gas and I think Major would have had more gas in his 3-4 bases than Snute would have had left in those expansions that were still mining. I think what Terrans might eventuall explore on maps like Deadwing in these scenarios is to relocate their whole first 3-4bases, obviously rebuild the supply depots (which is only minerals so who cares; also a good part of the supply is covered by mass orbital too), rebuild the addons (Ok, that hurts a little but its still much less gas intense than occasionally losing tanks and rallied units that defend a dead area; not to mention how much more efficient you are if you concentrate all your forces, so you also lose less defending the other area). | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
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Lexender
Mexico2661 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 11 2014 00:25 DinoMight wrote: I think it was a major strategic error (LOL) to go mech on that map in those positions. Zerg can do whatever it wants. I choose to let the Terran do whatever he wants. Then, when he tries to take a 5th or 6th base, he finds mined out gases at those locations. Then he tries to expand to awkward locations or wear me down and dies after 1-2hours. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On October 10 2014 04:35 DinoMight wrote: Look at the final rounds of recent tournaments GSL, Terran won Innovation 3 - 0 DRG Innovation 4 - 2 soO Cure 3 - 1 Solar WCS EU, Terran won Yoda 3 - 0 Golden Golden 3 - 1 Happy Red Bull, Terran won Bomber 2 - 0 DRG Cure 2 - 1 Scarlett Polt 2 - 1 Scarlett Dreamhack stockholm, Zerg won soO 2 - 0 ForGG soO 2 - 0 Ryung Solar 2 -1 Bunny Dreamhack moscow, Terran won MMA 2- 0 Snute JJakji 2 - 0 TRUE Kespa Cup - no TvZs, Protoss won IEM Toronto, Terran won Taeja 3 - 1 Violet Flash 3 - 2 Snute If I counted correctly that's 11-4 in series and 31-17 in maps. Add to that ... WCS NA, Terran will win (TvT finals) Heart 3-0 Scarlett Heart 3-1 Hyun | ||
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Maniak_
France305 Posts
On October 13 2014 08:24 DinoMight wrote: Add to that ... WCS NA, Terran will win (TvT finals) Heart 3-0 Scarlett Heart 3-1 Hyun But Scarlett and Hyun played badly and Heart played perfectly, so it's normal. Besides, he was clearly favored. Also there haven't been enough games to have any idea or whether any comment should be made over this. A quick look at the Ro8 of the 3 WCS regions (with their 10 total terrans) is pretty funny though. Except for Bunny and Happy, the only non-korean terrans, the terrans won every single match (except TvTs of course). With only one 'close' at 3-2. However, it's pretty obvious that all their opponents played pretty badly. | ||
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olol
33 Posts
On October 13 2014 09:01 Maniak_ wrote: But Scarlett and Hyun played badly and Heart played perfectly, so it's normal. Besides, he was clearly favored. Also there haven't been enough games to have any idea or whether any comment should be made over this. A quick look at the Ro8 of the 3 WCS regions (with their 10 total terrans) is pretty funny though. Except for Bunny and Happy, the only non-korean terrans, the terrans won every single match (except TvTs of course). With only one 'close' at 3-2. However, it's pretty obvious that all their opponents played pretty badly. Yea what a coincidence that every non Terran is playing badly nowadays... | ||
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TokO
Norway577 Posts
I think many of the recent series with T does have some kind of out-of-balance aspect to them that would tip the scale in favour of the Terran. I mean, take Inno-soO, soO was probably going to take second regardless. | ||
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ZombieFrog
United States87 Posts
But Scarlett and Hyun played badly and Heart played perfectly, so it's normal. Besides, he was clearly favored. I think your confused. Hyun was supposed to be favored against heart. Heart has never won a tournament in his entire career, never even made finals, while hyun was currently sitting at #1 WCS points. Why in the world would Heart be favored over Hyun? Just the opposite in fact. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
Yeah we can argue that every single Zerg played badly or that the Terran was favored, but the numbers speak for themselves. Terran is 13-4 in series. | ||
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