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On August 14 2011 16:25 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:01 FXOpen wrote:
EDIT: BELOW IS BASED ON ONE PERSON ACTING ON BEHALF OF SC2CON AND IS NOT A REPRESENTATION OF THE KOREAN MANAGERS OR PLAYERS. HOWEVER SINCE THE ACTION WAS TAKEN ON BEHALF OF SC2CON, I HAVE GENERALISED
After my initial post. I have receieved alot of communication with the Korean community, including the person with whom FXO have had a huge problem with.
Although the acts that I perceived as threats and blackmail are still being perceived as such I have been requested to give a chance to the organisation, until we meet in Korea in September.
Oh no, it sounds like sneaky-Asian* double-speak ... My mom does this shit all the time! She'll say something insane and rude and weeks later completely deny it and pretend I've misinterpreted or over-reacted. Watch your back! LOL *yes, this is racist.
my mom must be part asian without me knowing
btw, can anyone tell me wtf is going on, lol
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Hong Kong9154 Posts
On August 14 2011 16:29 TDN3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 15:30 Coldviolet wrote:
SlayerS is the only team that hasn't joined SC2con (yet, or never). I guess BoxeR and Jessica have foreseen what could go wrong, or at least have endless 'issues' with a group like this. I hereby hail the wisdom of the Emperor! I guess Slayers' players don't sleep in bunk beds. I guess sponsor revenue would be divided among players? I don't think so. Jessica is a business woman and she can decide if and how much she would share revenue if she owns the team. Guess what happens if she would not share revenue with players? Who's going to stand behind the players? No one. No SC2con. Jessica is the one that makes decision whether to give out salary. Players can leave or stay. I'm not saying Kespa or SC2con is bad or good. But, one thing I'm sure is that thanks to this organization that BW has been so big as an esport. It's not Boxer that created esport. It's an organization that created and organized esport. That's the reason foreign BW wasn't big; they weren't organized. I know a lot of you guys don't wanna hear it; but it's the truth that things need to be organized and rules must be enforced, either it's a country, company, or any organization. Things grow because of effective organization; and Kespa is an example of this. Every organization has a boss; and that boss is sometimes bossy. But, a bossy Kespa has helped grow esport more than all the loose foreign community combined. Now, imagine there's a foreign esport organization that has rules to be enforced that consists of all foreign teams; and this organization decides to pull all the teams together for a discussion and say: "we're gonna create an SC2 league based in Los Angeles and we hope participating teams to build team house around the LA area; we don't wanna have all the little online and weekend tournaments anymore; we want one big professional league with monthly tournament like Gomtv or protentially, like MLB, NBA,...".
Regimes such as Kespa and SC2con can only hope to be successful if, like in Brood War, they have a substantial say in the policies of how a sport is run because the great majority of it is being played within their jurisdiction and control.
SC2 is evolving in a wholly different way. While the best players reside within the state of Korea, the fanbase, sponsorship money, and tournament structure is being largely defined outside of Korea. SC2con's attempts to regulate FXO's internal structure based on the premise of simply having operations within Korea meaning Korea gets to define everything is fundamentally flawed. If this is current policy, and remains so for the foreseeable future, Korea will fall greatly behind the esports structure and culture being built up outside its borders.
Edit: this is not to say kespa did not have a significant role in keeping esports, and starcraft, alive for years. the culture just needs to move on and be more international because of its success, that's all.
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United States33388 Posts
so as of now, you are not a part of s2con, correct?
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On August 14 2011 15:41 sesmc wrote:
this is just absurd FXO would do some backstabbing like this, we have yet to have official words from SC2CON, and yet ppl already jumping on the band wagon.
ask yourself, is the drama good for e-sport? what will this bring to our blossoming dreams, what is the POINT????
flame on~
lol..band wagon has always been the norm of the forum. Are you new to the forum?
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On August 14 2011 16:34 Woizit wrote:
*All these are my speculations and opinion of what has been happening. Nothing more*
I suspect that the SC2CON is a lot weaker than what many people perceive it to be. After the Puma situation, a lot of people seem to start thinking it's a big governing body, which is strange since obviously most people has never even heard of them before.
What I think is that they are actually a simple get together, where the coaches can consult with each other ( discussions ), rather than coming together so that they will make all decisions collectively. In addition, it seems clear that they have no actual power, seeing SlayerS aren't in it and that TSL can easily pull out of it with just a disagreement.
I also think that the situation is exacerbated by the fact that quite a number of teams have the problem of low funding, meaning that priority of survival comes first for them. That can result in the broken "power hierarchy" where some people are simply more comfortable at making decisions without any actual authority, while others simply have much bigger issues on their minds.
This is my take on the situation as well. Rather than a KeSPA 2.0, we have a weak organization without much official power and without much oversight. Thus decisions are made by individuals that do not benefit the organization much less the teams and players.
Hope things come to an amicable resolution and that SC2Con becomes the organization it intended itself to be (protecting and promoting the interests of teams and players).
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It gets really tiring when corporations hide all sorts of details from the public eye and leave us to wonder what their motives are for acting in particular ways.
Thanks are in order to FXOBoSs for being very transparent with his management of FXO, I'm a big fan of your organization for this 
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On August 14 2011 16:34 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:27 FXOpen wrote:
I am understanding of business in Korea. Everyone deserves to be heard out. So I will do so on my own terms. There will be no booze or korean bbq involved, thats for sure. Korean guy: "Oh Josh, you SO serious; serious all the time! You eat more bulgoggi, make you happy! Everything A-OK, yeah!"
hahaha nice. I can see how some nice beer and bulgogi would make one much more likely to agree to something they would otherwise not :D
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Boss, I'm a huge fan of the way your run your team. Please continue to let the community know what's going on as this progresses! Best of luck dealing with the bullshit!
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On August 14 2011 16:35 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:25 Defacer wrote:On August 14 2011 14:01 FXOpen wrote:
EDIT: BELOW IS BASED ON ONE PERSON ACTING ON BEHALF OF SC2CON AND IS NOT A REPRESENTATION OF THE KOREAN MANAGERS OR PLAYERS. HOWEVER SINCE THE ACTION WAS TAKEN ON BEHALF OF SC2CON, I HAVE GENERALISED
After my initial post. I have receieved alot of communication with the Korean community, including the person with whom FXO have had a huge problem with.
Although the acts that I perceived as threats and blackmail are still being perceived as such I have been requested to give a chance to the organisation, until we meet in Korea in September.
Oh no, it sounds like sneaky-Asian* double-speak ... My mom does this shit all the time! She'll say something insane and rude and weeks later completely deny it and pretend I've misinterpreted or over-reacted. Watch your back! LOL *yes, this is racist. my mom must be part asian without me knowing btw, can anyone tell me wtf is going on, lol
FXO (including FXO Korea) has decided to leave SC2Con, the association of Korean SC2 teams intended to protect the interests of players and teams.
The primary reason was one obnoxious douche-bag was making outrageous demands, irrational threats and refused to deal with FXOBoss directly.
Because FXOBoss made a very public announcement, he will now have a face-to-face meeting with the SC2Con administrators in Seoul to see if this relationship can be salvaged.
It is important to emphasize FXO's problems with SC2Con stem from one person in particular, and FXO supports the concept and spirit of SC2Con and has no issues with the teams and players that are members.
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On August 14 2011 16:44 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:35 travis wrote:On August 14 2011 16:25 Defacer wrote:On August 14 2011 14:01 FXOpen wrote:
EDIT: BELOW IS BASED ON ONE PERSON ACTING ON BEHALF OF SC2CON AND IS NOT A REPRESENTATION OF THE KOREAN MANAGERS OR PLAYERS. HOWEVER SINCE THE ACTION WAS TAKEN ON BEHALF OF SC2CON, I HAVE GENERALISED
After my initial post. I have receieved alot of communication with the Korean community, including the person with whom FXO have had a huge problem with.
Although the acts that I perceived as threats and blackmail are still being perceived as such I have been requested to give a chance to the organisation, until we meet in Korea in September.
Oh no, it sounds like sneaky-Asian* double-speak ... My mom does this shit all the time! She'll say something insane and rude and weeks later completely deny it and pretend I've misinterpreted or over-reacted. Watch your back! LOL *yes, this is racist. my mom must be part asian without me knowing btw, can anyone tell me wtf is going on, lol FXO (including FXO Korea) has decided to leave SC2Con, the association of Korean SC2 teams intended to protect the interests of players and teams. The primary reason was one obnoxious douche-bag was making outrageous demands, irrational threats and refused to deal with FXOBoss directly. Because FXOBoss made a very public announcement, he will now have a face-to-face meeting with the SC2Con administrators in Seoul to see if this relationship can be salvaged. It is important to emphasize FXO's problems with SC2Con stem from one person in particular, and FXO supports the concept and spirit of SC2Con and has no issues with the teams and players that are members.
Nice summation counselor. 
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Please no Kespa2. 
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On August 14 2011 16:26 Milkis wrote:
fml
Yep, gonna be something huge posted that the community is gonna want translated
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Unfortunately it seems there was a lot of generalization in this topic. I'm glad to know that it's only one person causing trouble and not SC2Con as a whole.
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I fucking hate such groups that force you to action. Grow up already you dirty bastards, will you? It's fucking 21st century and democracy everywhere, don't act like restricting, threatening bunch of assholes.
Fucking KESPA's, and SCcons and other corrupt bastards. Done with them, acting like true shitheads.
Will be delighted when SC2 becomes really big everywhere and we don't have to even know what certain shitheads do or think.
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On August 14 2011 16:55 Orcasgt24 wrote:Yep, gonna be something huge posted that the community is gonna want translated
how od you know i haven't been translating something for the last 3 hours straight nonstop? -_-
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Considering sc2con is comprised of Korean teams I don't see the significance in fOu->FXO leaving it.
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On August 14 2011 16:27 FXOpen wrote:
I am understanding of business in Korea. Everyone deserves to be heard out. So I will do so on my own terms. There will be no booze or korean bbq involved, thats for sure.
damn it, just take out 2 computers and play a match on Zelnaga Caverns to determine who's right and who's wrong. The guy that is wrong will just have to buy Korean BBQ though.
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On August 14 2011 16:58 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:55 Orcasgt24 wrote:On August 14 2011 16:26 Milkis wrote:
fml Yep, gonna be something huge posted that the community is gonna want translated how od you know i haven't been translating something for the last 3 hours straight nonstop? -_-
Hey, we'd love to read it (even if it's out-dated).
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Also, not trying to be racist, because I enjoy watching Korean movies a lot and think their girls are cute, and SC players are beastly, but they really need to clean up their acts and country, don't they?
I am pretty sure many of them say the same about their own country. I watched South Korea vs Spain football match the other day, the blatant cheating of Koreans was embarrassing, fucking made my blood boil. Just how much cheating is enough? They had it in 2002, became an embarrassment, now again.
Keep it classy.
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