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On August 14 2011 16:55 Xxavi wrote:
I fucking hate such groups that force you to action. Grow up already you dirty bastards, will you? It's fucking 21st century and democracy everywhere, don't act like restricting, threatening bunch of assholes.
Fucking KESPA's, and SCcons and other corrupt bastards. Done with them, acting like true shitheads.
Will be delighted when SC2 becomes really big everywhere and we don't have to even know what certain shitheads do or think.
Wait whaaaatt?? Are you even reading the stuff you're posting? Lol.
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On August 14 2011 16:58 IcedBacon wrote:
Considering sc2con is comprised of Korean teams I don't see the significance in fOu->FXO leaving it.
Because FXO Korea is a Korean team..... lol
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On August 14 2011 16:59 Xxavi wrote:
Also, not trying to be racist, because I enjoy watching Korean movies a lot and think their girls are cute, and SC players are beastly, but they really need to clean up their acts and country, don't they?
I am pretty sure many of them say the same about their own country. I watched South Korea vs Spain football match the other day, the blatant cheating of Koreans was embarrassing, fucking made my blood boil. Just how much cheating is enough? They had it in 2002, became an embarrassment, now again.
Keep it classy.
Does anybody else notice the irony of his last sentence....
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On August 14 2011 16:59 Xxavi wrote:
Also, not trying to be racist, because I enjoy watching Korean movies a lot and think their girls are cute, and SC players are beastly, but they really need to clean up their acts and country, don't they?
I am pretty sure many of them say the same about their own country. I watched South Korea vs Spain football match the other day, the blatant cheating of Koreans was embarrassing, fucking made my blood boil. Just how much cheating is enough? They had it in 2002, became an embarrassment, now again.
Keep it classy.
LOL. Okay, now we're veering off-topic.
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On August 14 2011 17:00 emythrel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:58 IcedBacon wrote:
Considering sc2con is comprised of Korean teams I don't see the significance in fOu->FXO leaving it. Because FXO Korea is a Korean team..... lol
there is no such things as FXO Korea
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On August 14 2011 16:58 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:55 Orcasgt24 wrote:On August 14 2011 16:26 Milkis wrote:
fml Yep, gonna be something huge posted that the community is gonna want translated how od you know i haven't been translating something for the last 3 hours straight nonstop? -_-
<3 we all appreciate all the work you do milkis! 
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Seems like I missed something big. What a shame. Oh well, I guess I'll wait patiently for Boss' next post. FXO fighting! :D
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On August 14 2011 16:59 Xxavi wrote:
Also, not trying to be racist, because I enjoy watching Korean movies a lot and think their girls are cute, and SC players are beastly, but they really need to clean up their acts and country, don't they?
I am pretty sure many of them say the same about their own country. I watched South Korea vs Spain football match the other day, the blatant cheating of Koreans was embarrassing, fucking made my blood boil. Just how much cheating is enough? They had it in 2002, became an embarrassment, now again.
Keep it classy.
You can't be serious?
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milkis is a beast... and I will make sure he eats and drinks when we meet!!!!! <3
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On August 14 2011 17:00 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:55 Xxavi wrote:
I fucking hate such groups that force you to action. Grow up already you dirty bastards, will you? It's fucking 21st century and democracy everywhere, don't act like restricting, threatening bunch of assholes.
Fucking KESPA's, and SCcons and other corrupt bastards. Done with them, acting like true shitheads.
Will be delighted when SC2 becomes really big everywhere and we don't have to even know what certain shitheads do or think. Wait whaaaatt?? Are you even reading the stuff you're posting? Lol.
What's wrong with it? I happen to support democracy, not a dictatorship style organization.
Everybody can decide what name to have and what jersey to wear. If they cannot accept it, SC2CON can suck my dick.
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On August 14 2011 17:00 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:55 Xxavi wrote:
I fucking hate such groups that force you to action. Grow up already you dirty bastards, will you? It's fucking 21st century and democracy everywhere, don't act like restricting, threatening bunch of assholes.
Fucking KESPA's, and SCcons and other corrupt bastards. Done with them, acting like true shitheads.
Will be delighted when SC2 becomes really big everywhere and we don't have to even know what certain shitheads do or think. Wait whaaaatt?? Are you even reading the stuff you're posting? Lol.
Gotta love how he's from the US too. Better worry about your own country first :p
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On August 14 2011 17:04 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:59 Xxavi wrote:
Also, not trying to be racist, because I enjoy watching Korean movies a lot and think their girls are cute, and SC players are beastly, but they really need to clean up their acts and country, don't they?
I am pretty sure many of them say the same about their own country. I watched South Korea vs Spain football match the other day, the blatant cheating of Koreans was embarrassing, fucking made my blood boil. Just how much cheating is enough? They had it in 2002, became an embarrassment, now again.
Keep it classy. You can't be serious?
I am serious. Did you watch the match? They were dropping like flies everywhere, and dragged the game to penalties, fooking cheaters.
And I am not even going to start with 2002 WC.
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On August 14 2011 16:59 Xxavi wrote:
Also, not trying to be racist, because I enjoy watching Korean movies a lot and think their girls are cute, and SC players are beastly, but they really need to clean up their acts and country, don't they?
I am pretty sure many of them say the same about their own country. I watched South Korea vs Spain football match the other day, the blatant cheating of Koreans was embarrassing, fucking made my blood boil. Just how much cheating is enough? They had it in 2002, became an embarrassment, now again.
Keep it classy.
Oh god.......... Did you just generalise one country based on the actions of a few men? I pity your ignorance. Oh, and funny you should mention football, when spanish players are notorious for their play acting and diving. Do you even watch football outside of world cups?
So, do you think people should start making judgements and assumptions about the US, based on people like Sarah Palin, Bernard Madoff, or even Xxavi? Please use your head before spouting nonsensical bullshit.
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South Korea.... or is it North Korea? DUH-DUHNNNNNNNNN!
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On August 14 2011 16:28 SecondChance wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:44 FXOpen wrote:On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote:
What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story?
Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con.
I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine.
I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo. 2 days ago, choya got a call at midnight with someone arguing with him about our team uniforms. That enough for you? I try not to release too many details incase legalities ensue, and by mentioning the above statement, I can no longer use it in court if necessary as its been tainted by public knowledge. But since that was the least of if, it is an example. When choya said "talk to Josh" i.e me. They wouldnt. Whilst, of course honesty is a very big thing in any announcement, you have to understand there are legalities involved and posting every single thing can taint any legal case against someone. Of course, I understand. Thanks. I would hate for this matter to escalate; and for FXO to be disadvantaged because they cannot use information due to releasing details publicly; I would never wish for that to happen. Cheers for explaining.
How information would be unusable if it has made public knowledge? It does not change its truthness at all.
FXOboss is wrong. He can still use that piece of information with no problems in court.
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On August 14 2011 17:06 Xxavi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 17:04 nam nam wrote:On August 14 2011 16:59 Xxavi wrote:
Also, not trying to be racist, because I enjoy watching Korean movies a lot and think their girls are cute, and SC players are beastly, but they really need to clean up their acts and country, don't they?
I am pretty sure many of them say the same about their own country. I watched South Korea vs Spain football match the other day, the blatant cheating of Koreans was embarrassing, fucking made my blood boil. Just how much cheating is enough? They had it in 2002, became an embarrassment, now again.
Keep it classy. You can't be serious? I am serious. Did you watch the match? They were dropping like flies everywhere, and dragged the game to penalties, fooking cheaters. And I am not even going to start with 2002 WC.
Please stop derailing the topic. We're really talking about one Korean guy here that single-handedly alienated one of the few Korea teams that has reliable financial support by refusing to deal with their owner.
Ah, the hilarity.
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On August 14 2011 16:33 FabledIntegral wrote:So apparently he's received a lot of feedback from the Korean community, I want to know what they said!!! Was it on Fomos (aka reactions) or just personal messaging? Spill the details sir! Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:29 TDN3 wrote:On August 14 2011 15:30 Coldviolet wrote:
SlayerS is the only team that hasn't joined SC2con (yet, or never). I guess BoxeR and Jessica have foreseen what could go wrong, or at least have endless 'issues' with a group like this. I hereby hail the wisdom of the Emperor! I guess Slayers' players don't sleep in bunk beds. I guess sponsor revenue would be divided among players? I don't think so. Jessica is a business woman and she can decide if and how much she would share revenue if she owns the team. Guess what happens if she would not share revenue with players? Who's going to stand behind the players? No one. No SC2con. Jessica is the one that makes decision whether to give out salary. Players can leave or stay. I'm not saying Kespa or SC2con is bad or good. But, one thing I'm sure is that thanks to this organization that BW has been so big as an esport. It's not Boxer that created esport. It's an organization that created and organized esport. That's the reason foreign BW wasn't big; they weren't organized. I know a lot of you guys don't wanna hear it; but it's the truth that things need to be organized and rules must be enforced, either it's a country, company, or any organization. Things grow because of effective organization; and Kespa is an example of this. Every organization has a boss; and that boss is sometimes bossy. But, a bossy Kespa has helped grow esport more than all the loose foreign community combined. Now, imagine there's a foreign esport organization that has rules to be enforced that consists of all foreign teams; and this organization decides to pull all the teams together for a discussion and say: "we're gonna create an SC2 league based in Los Angeles and we hope participating teams to build team house around the LA area; we don't wanna have all the little online and weekend tournaments anymore; we want one big professional league with monthly tournament like Gomtv or protentially, like MLB, NBA,...". Players sign contracts, so I have no idea why you're saying all this stuff. And it's usually yearly. Jessica can't just promise them something then say "fuckoff".
I don't think there is any contract in Korean SC2 at this point since the scene is still small (at least not between players and teams, with the exception of maybe Moon and Nada, and other big names). Slayers' players often move between the A-team (teamhouse) and B-team (staying at home like Slayers.Dragon). They get kicked out of the house whenever they don't perform enough. That's the way Slayers' team structure is right now. A lot of things is based on trust right now. Ordinary players usually get a place to stay and practice without worrying about the next meal. That's it. Most of them don't have salary.
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Lordwar, I presume you're not a lawyer and not qualified to provide legal advice in Korea or Australia. Neither am I, so let's leave it to FXOBoss to find his own legal counseling rather than pretending to know better.
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On August 14 2011 17:11 Lordwar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 16:28 SecondChance wrote:On August 14 2011 14:44 FXOpen wrote:On August 14 2011 14:41 SecondChance wrote:
What are we supposed to make of this? I'm certainly not calling you a liar by any means, or accusing you of making up stories; but for what reason can you not even provide an example of a phone call you received, or a threat or some experience that you can retell that would at least add some sustenance to your story?
Right now, your post consists of - Sc2con did this and this, it was very bad and we don't like it. Thus, we have decided to leave Sc2con.
I'm not one to pry for information, but if you can't give detailed examples, or give proof, or something your story is just a story. If there are legal reasons or for some other reason you can't disclose information, that's fine.
I also realise TL.net is an sc2 fan site. We can't and shouldn't expect you to tell us everything you know about your own personal issues; I understand that. However, a little more detail is necessary imo. 2 days ago, choya got a call at midnight with someone arguing with him about our team uniforms. That enough for you? I try not to release too many details incase legalities ensue, and by mentioning the above statement, I can no longer use it in court if necessary as its been tainted by public knowledge. But since that was the least of if, it is an example. When choya said "talk to Josh" i.e me. They wouldnt. Whilst, of course honesty is a very big thing in any announcement, you have to understand there are legalities involved and posting every single thing can taint any legal case against someone. Of course, I understand. Thanks. I would hate for this matter to escalate; and for FXO to be disadvantaged because they cannot use information due to releasing details publicly; I would never wish for that to happen. Cheers for explaining. How information would be unusable if it has made public knowledge? It does not change its truthness at all. FXOboss is wrong. He can still use that piece of information with no problems in court.
Even if it's true, the public can misinterpret it and the offended party can accuse you of defamation, or trying to discredit them.
It also distances both parties in a dispute and makes it more difficult for either to make compromises without looking weak (see the current state of the Republican party as reference).
We should all take a page from Sundance, who is an expert at concise, clear public statements -- sometimes the less said, the better. It's annoying, but the more words you give people, the more they have to use against you.
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On August 14 2011 17:14 Primadog wrote:
Lordwar, I presume you're not a lawyer and not qualified to provide legal advice in Korea or Australia. Neither am I, so let's leave it to FXOBoss to find his own legal counseling rather than pretending to know better.
I just know that FXOboss is wrong, and I have no idea where did he even pull out that claim. Announcing something publicly does not itself degrade the value of evidence.
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