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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On August 14 2011 15:51 babylon wrote: Oh, finally, some potential source of information. Who is this Juneo dude? The Koreans are saying that it is most likely Lee Jun-Ho, an ex-coach of Prime who now holds some sort of executive role in SC2Con. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On August 14 2011 16:16 Duravi wrote: Now if only we could get all the NASL players back on board -.- The players are interested I'm sure, it's their managers that are the problem. | ||
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FreedonNadd
Austria573 Posts
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On August 14 2011 16:08 TheRabidDeer wrote: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely? Is this a case of somebody gaining too much power and trying to abuse it? All who gain power are afraid to lose it. Even the chancellor... On August 14 2011 16:10 CoR wrote: how is the player accociation standing to sc2con ? that would be intresting for me atm it seems sc2con is on the KESPA trip and that cant be the way it should run ... They aren't even near the same... the latter is actually pretty good... but this new organization is not... | ||
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curlfry
Australia103 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:05 DarkDolphin wrote: You gotta do what you gotta do, Starcraft 2 is no longer "Just Korea" , if that was the case we would be run by the Evil Empire ( Kespa ) Good Job FXO. -SC2CON = Evil Empire. -FXO = Rebel Alliance :D - On a more serious note, i believe the International teams, FXO, TL;, EG dignitas etc etc, Should start thinking of creating an organization, SC2CON / KESPA are not acceptable SC2 is not just Korea, we are no longer in Broodwar , in the times where the Evil Empire ruled the Kuprulu Sector. -however something like SC2CON is needed but should not be exclusive or just Korea, such thing is unacceptable, GJ FXOBOSS. :D -PS. : I officially declare SC2CON "EVIL EMPIRE" from now on. so that makes Boss, Admiral Ackbar! Its a trap FXO style | ||
Slider954
United States342 Posts
On August 14 2011 16:16 Saraf wrote: Looks like sometimes to get payed attention to you just have to kick down the door, huh? Good luck with the meeting; no matter the outcome you've got a fan in me. FXO Fighting! Looks like it. Sometimes you have hold people's feet to the fire to get stuff started and resolved and that's what FXO did and I applaud them for it. Good luck with the meeting. | ||
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phi_dang[RB]
Australia8 Posts
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azr
Norway144 Posts
On August 14 2011 15:55 JerKy wrote: While you bring up a valid argument, you also have to realize FXO sorta did just walk into Korea and acquire a team without a deeper background understanding. A team which approached FXO, not the other way around. It is obvious that alot of SC2 teams are struggling in Korea right now, fOu were lucky to get picked up by a serious sponsor like FXO. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:01 FXOpen wrote: EDIT: BELOW IS BASED ON ONE PERSON ACTING ON BEHALF OF SC2CON AND IS NOT A REPRESENTATION OF THE KOREAN MANAGERS OR PLAYERS. HOWEVER SINCE THE ACTION WAS TAKEN ON BEHALF OF SC2CON, I HAVE GENERALISED After my initial post. I have receieved alot of communication with the Korean community, including the person with whom FXO have had a huge problem with. Although the acts that I perceived as threats and blackmail are still being perceived as such I have been requested to give a chance to the organisation, until we meet in Korea in September. Oh no, it sounds like sneaky-Asian* double-speak ... My mom does this shit all the time! She'll say something insane and rude and weeks later completely deny it and pretend I've misinterpreted or over-reacted. Watch your back! LOL *yes, this is racist. | ||
Milkis
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
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SecondChance
Australia603 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:44 FXOpen wrote: 2 days ago, choya got a call at midnight with someone arguing with him about our team uniforms. That enough for you? I try not to release too many details incase legalities ensue, and by mentioning the above statement, I can no longer use it in court if necessary as its been tainted by public knowledge. But since that was the least of if, it is an example. When choya said "talk to Josh" i.e me. They wouldnt. Whilst, of course honesty is a very big thing in any announcement, you have to understand there are legalities involved and posting every single thing can taint any legal case against someone. Of course, I understand. Thanks. I would hate for this matter to escalate; and for FXO to be disadvantaged because they cannot use information due to releasing details publicly; I would never wish for that to happen. Cheers for explaining. | ||
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On August 14 2011 16:26 Milkis wrote: fml Its ok, I will feed u with sojeer and bbq pork. | ||
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TDN3
United States81 Posts
On August 14 2011 15:30 Coldviolet wrote: SlayerS is the only team that hasn't joined SC2con (yet, or never). I guess BoxeR and Jessica have foreseen what could go wrong, or at least have endless 'issues' with a group like this. I hereby hail the wisdom of the Emperor! I guess Slayers' players don't sleep in bunk beds. I guess sponsor revenue would be divided among players? I don't think so. Jessica is a business woman and she can decide if and how much she would share revenue if she owns the team. Guess what happens if she would not share revenue with players? Who's going to stand behind the players? No one. No SC2con. Jessica is the one that makes decision whether to give out salary. Players can leave or stay. I'm not saying Kespa or SC2con is bad or good. But, one thing I'm sure is that thanks to this organization that BW has been so big as an esport. It's not Boxer that created esport. It's an organization that created and organized esport. That's the reason foreign BW wasn't big; they weren't organized. I know a lot of you guys don't wanna hear it; but it's the truth that things need to be organized and rules must be enforced, either it's a country, company, or any organization. Things grow because of effective organization; and Kespa is an example of this. Every organization has a boss; and that boss is sometimes bossy. But, a bossy Kespa has helped grow esport more than all the loose foreign community combined. Now, imagine there's a foreign esport organization that has rules to be enforced that consists of all foreign teams; and this organization decides to pull all the teams together for a discussion and say: "we're gonna create an SC2 league based in Los Angeles and we hope participating teams to build team house around the LA area; we don't wanna have all the little online and weekend tournaments anymore; we want one big professional league with monthly tournament like Gomtv or protentially, like MLB, NBA,...". | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 14 2011 16:29 TDN3 wrote: I guess Slayers' players don't sleep in bunk beds. I guess sponsor revenue would be divided among players? I don't think so. Jessica is a business woman and she can decide if and how much she would share revenue if she owns the team. Guess what happens if she would not share revenue with players? Who's going to stand behind the players? No one. No SC2con. Jessica is the one that makes decision whether to give out salary. Players can leave or stay. I'm not saying Kespa or SC2con is bad or good. But, one thing I'm sure is that thanks to this organization that BW has been so big as an esport. It's not Boxer that created esport. It's an organization that created and organized esport. That's the reason foreign BW wasn't big; they weren't organized. I know a lot of you guys don't wanna hear it; but it's the truth that things need to be organized and rules must be enforced, either it's a country, company, or any organization. Things grow because of effective organization; and Kespa is an example of this. Every organization has a boss; and that boss is sometimes bossy. But, a bossy Kespa has helped grow esport more than all the loose foreign community combined. Now, imagine there's a foreign esport organization that has rules to be enforced that consists of all foreign teams; and this organization decides to pull all the teams together for a discussion and say: "we're gonna create an SC2 league based in Los Angeles and we hope participating teams to build team house around the LA area; we don't wanna have all the little online and weekend tournaments anymore; we want one big professional league with monthly tournament like Gomtv or protentially, like MLB, NBA,...". Players sign contracts, so I have no idea why you're saying all this stuff. And it's usually yearly. Jessica can't just promise them something then say "fuckoff". | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On August 14 2011 16:27 FXOpen wrote: I am understanding of business in Korea. Everyone deserves to be heard out. So I will do so on my own terms. There will be no booze or korean bbq involved, thats for sure. Korean guy: "Oh Josh, you SO serious; serious all the time! You eat more bulgoggi, make you happy! Everything A-OK, yeah!" | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
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Woizit
801 Posts
I suspect that the SC2CON is a lot weaker than what many people perceive it to be. After the Puma situation, a lot of people seem to start thinking it's a big governing body, which is strange since obviously most people has never even heard of them before. What I think is that they are actually a simple get together, where the coaches can consult with each other ( discussions ), rather than coming together so that they will make all decisions collectively. In addition, it seems clear that they have no actual power, seeing SlayerS aren't in it and that TSL can easily pull out of it with just a disagreement. I also think that the situation is exacerbated by the fact that quite a number of teams have the problem of low funding, meaning that priority of survival comes first for them. That can result in the broken "power hierarchy" where some people are simply more comfortable at making decisions without any actual authority, while others simply have much bigger issues on their minds. | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10341 Posts
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