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logikly
United States329 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On August 11 2011 19:11 logikly wrote: I dont understand why people do not like him; will someone please explain to me why? is it his voice? lack of knowledge? his personality? Every time I see him cast he seems decent to me. This post from the Gom Forums Pretty much Sums up why many don't want Mole Trap Casting. + Show Spoiler + I'm just at a loss on why moletrap is casting again. He really drains the fun, excitement & enjoyment of watching GSL I'll explain a bit more. I've owned every single gsl and gstl premium ticket and managed to watch every game done at gom for sc2 so I've seen every caster for quite a while even kelly etc. Just watch yesterday and todays cast of code A He said "like" yesterday 97 times, and he's upto 53 today. He said like just then 13 times in the case of 1-2 minutes. This is a job where your voice, language, game knowledge and humour are all integral parts of making the cast good for paying customers and I feel moletrap brings none of the qualities required to be a good caster. I'll go into it a bit more indepth and this isn't meant to be offensive it's constructive critism towards him. Language - He says "like" at least once a sentence casting is meant to be about portraying information and funny jokes to the audience and I feel as if this is being casted by a girl in highschool who cannot stop saying like, he cannot get his point across in a conciese and timely manner he is clogging the cast up with his lack of language skills. He really needs to spend time sorting his words out and stop talking like a teenage girl it is absolutely ridiculous that he talks how he does on a high production tv show which people are paying for and I can't understand why you would allow moletrap to cast when he actually takes away from the production value of the show and brings down the whole quality of the GSL. Humour - I feel so bad for wolf because none of moletraps jokes are relevant or even funny anecdotes like other casters, he doesn't understand the demographic which is watching the show and what is considered funny, he also doesn't understand anyone elses humour and often corrects them or takes things seriously which were obviously a joke. He has no chemistry with other casters and this really affects how long someone can sit down and watch the gsl given that he makes non-funny jokes and destroys his co-casters attempt at being funny almost every single time. Voice - his voice is very high pitched and very grating to listen to a long period of a cast. Game knowledge - Moletrap doesn't understand the game at the depth of 'any' caster thats been on gomtv including kelly, he doesn't understand the current builds or what they are trying to accomplish. He honestly asked why is taeja at 2000 minerals when playing mech, and he has 50 gas then he wastes the viewers time by asking it as a legit question and is expecting an answer. He disagrees with wolf constantly when wolf is correct and moletrap is just wrong. Wolfs knowledge is that of a korea masters level and I feel moletrap hasn't even installed the game and that sounds like a dig but when he still uses starcraft 1 unit names this long after release it does make you wonder if he's even playing the game on a regular basis if at all. Interupting co-casters - moletrap notorious for this and it is a massive issue, he doesn't respect his co-caters and always thinks what he has to say is more important. Interupting for important information is fine, but interupting to disagree is completely rude and should be unacceptable in this position. I was so excited when doa came back to cast with wolf, they were starting to build some synergy and now you bring moletrap on and I can't really understand why, he takes away a lot of value for me personally and from the reaction on the forums, twitter, team liquid it takes away for a lot of people. I've bought every ticket and watched every game because it's been worth the money but if moletrap is employed as a regular caster I don't think the gsl is worth the same amount as your currently asking. I would pay an extra 10 dollars for every ticket if you didn't have moletrap casting that's how much I value good casters as they make the exceptional play from koreans, that much better. I don't even mind if the casters arn't enhancing the experience, the issue here is moletrap actually takes away value of your show and I worry about it. I messaged him on twitter multiple times about some things he can do to improve but he didn't reply and from todays cast hasn't taken anything into consideration. From a very worried GSL viewer. | ||
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FearTheReaperMan
154 Posts
On August 11 2011 19:11 XRaDiiX wrote: Because were allowed to have an opinion about what casters we like and don't like. And willfully post our dislike and/or dissapointment in the Hiring of Mole Trap by GomTV GSL Along with the Swath of others who have posted in distaste of him being Hired. Simply Speaking For the Silent majority. Yeah sure, but you opinion is trash because your posts are terrible. When one tries to contradict your statements, its the equivalent to arguing with a person that has no brain. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On August 11 2011 19:16 FearTheReaperMan wrote: Yeah sure, but you opinion is trash because your posts are terrible. When one tries to contradict your statements, its the equivalent to arguing with a person that has no brain. Coming from someone who's added nothing meaningful or intellectual to the thread other than bashing/trashing/bigotry. Sometimes you have to understand that some people will have a differing opinion to yours. I'm just trying to make the point that i've noticed a majority of people do not want Mole Trap as a Code A Caster or Caster of the GSL. There is nothing personal here. | ||
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kikimama
Korea (South)297 Posts
On August 11 2011 19:08 King of Kings wrote: OMG another "You have to be Grandmaster to be a good caster!"-Retard... User was temp banned for this post. What do all the good casters (tasteless, artosis, day9, wolf) have in common? They either played bw at a high level or play sc2 at a high level. Did you know aside from the female Korean caster, all of the Korean casters/commentators play sc2 at a high level? They know the game so they don't have to spill out random bull$hit that doesn't add to the viewing experience. Sure there are people like Doa and totalbiscuit who don't play the game at a high level but do add anything to the cast besides the obvious? Those guys are tolerable. Moletrap (who the hell picks an id like moletrap anyhow) makes my ears bleed by his terrible commentary. | ||
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RacerX
United States168 Posts
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AdelSC123
France362 Posts
On August 08 2011 22:40 karpo wrote: Why feel sorry over someone who posts one liners shitting on a caster with no constructive criticism? Trying out more casters only mean we won't get good synergy for even longer. Good synergy comes from getting to know eachother and learning from mistakes in my opinion. it's a short for: Moletrap is a nice guy and he works very hard. But he's not a very good caster for gomtv imho, I really like him as a human being tho. I didnt mean to piss on moletrap, but it was the fastest way to give my opinion. | ||
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Acnologia
Australia410 Posts
On August 11 2011 19:14 XRaDiiX wrote: This post from the Gom Forums Pretty much Sums up why many don't want Mole Trap Casting. + Show Spoiler + I'm just at a loss on why moletrap is casting again. He really drains the fun, excitement & enjoyment of watching GSL I'll explain a bit more. I've owned every single gsl and gstl premium ticket and managed to watch every game done at gom for sc2 so I've seen every caster for quite a while even kelly etc. Just watch yesterday and todays cast of code A He said "like" yesterday 97 times, and he's upto 53 today. He said like just then 13 times in the case of 1-2 minutes. This is a job where your voice, language, game knowledge and humour are all integral parts of making the cast good for paying customers and I feel moletrap brings none of the qualities required to be a good caster. I'll go into it a bit more indepth and this isn't meant to be offensive it's constructive critism towards him. Language - He says "like" at least once a sentence casting is meant to be about portraying information and funny jokes to the audience and I feel as if this is being casted by a girl in highschool who cannot stop saying like, he cannot get his point across in a conciese and timely manner he is clogging the cast up with his lack of language skills. He really needs to spend time sorting his words out and stop talking like a teenage girl it is absolutely ridiculous that he talks how he does on a high production tv show which people are paying for and I can't understand why you would allow moletrap to cast when he actually takes away from the production value of the show and brings down the whole quality of the GSL. Humour - I feel so bad for wolf because none of moletraps jokes are relevant or even funny anecdotes like other casters, he doesn't understand the demographic which is watching the show and what is considered funny, he also doesn't understand anyone elses humour and often corrects them or takes things seriously which were obviously a joke. He has no chemistry with other casters and this really affects how long someone can sit down and watch the gsl given that he makes non-funny jokes and destroys his co-casters attempt at being funny almost every single time. Voice - his voice is very high pitched and very grating to listen to a long period of a cast. Game knowledge - Moletrap doesn't understand the game at the depth of 'any' caster thats been on gomtv including kelly, he doesn't understand the current builds or what they are trying to accomplish. He honestly asked why is taeja at 2000 minerals when playing mech, and he has 50 gas then he wastes the viewers time by asking it as a legit question and is expecting an answer. He disagrees with wolf constantly when wolf is correct and moletrap is just wrong. Wolfs knowledge is that of a korea masters level and I feel moletrap hasn't even installed the game and that sounds like a dig but when he still uses starcraft 1 unit names this long after release it does make you wonder if he's even playing the game on a regular basis if at all. Interupting co-casters - moletrap notorious for this and it is a massive issue, he doesn't respect his co-caters and always thinks what he has to say is more important. Interupting for important information is fine, but interupting to disagree is completely rude and should be unacceptable in this position. I was so excited when doa came back to cast with wolf, they were starting to build some synergy and now you bring moletrap on and I can't really understand why, he takes away a lot of value for me personally and from the reaction on the forums, twitter, team liquid it takes away for a lot of people. I've bought every ticket and watched every game because it's been worth the money but if moletrap is employed as a regular caster I don't think the gsl is worth the same amount as your currently asking. I would pay an extra 10 dollars for every ticket if you didn't have moletrap casting that's how much I value good casters as they make the exceptional play from koreans, that much better. I don't even mind if the casters arn't enhancing the experience, the issue here is moletrap actually takes away value of your show and I worry about it. I messaged him on twitter multiple times about some things he can do to improve but he didn't reply and from todays cast hasn't taken anything into consideration. From a very worried GSL viewer. yep that pretty much sums it up | ||
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eburnsdaniel
United Kingdom69 Posts
Why arent any of those who support Moletrap addressing the issues raised in the gom forum post quoted above? Do you watch the casts? Very few in this thread are hating on Moletrap the person, only complaining that he doesnt meet the high standards set by the GSL. On August 11 2011 19:30 RacerX wrote: Moletrap is an extremely knowledgeable caster that was one of the only foreign brood war casters. The guy knows a ton about RTS in general and knows quite a lot about SC2, I don't understand why many of you claim he is not knowledgeable. So I'll take it that a lot of you would rather listen to someone yell about a game they know literally nothing about because their voice gives them a boner, than someone who is very passionate and knowledgeable about the game. Hearing him get confused by the DT expand opening in Sase's game yesterday was somewhat embarrassing. And it wasn't an exception. He betrays a lack of critical understanding many times throughout his casts. No one expects the casters to have exhaustative knowledge of all races, especially play-by-play but I expect paid professionals to understand the basic openers of each race and to appreciate the dynamics they create. I complain only because I think Gom can do better and I am beginning to resent paying for GSL. However if he sticks around I hope he does improve. If I were to give him advice (which im sure he'd never read) it would be as follows: Learn the various opening build orders for each race. There are obviously infinite variations but most people seem to stick to 4 or so. Also when you lack knowledge, don't be too proud to defer to your co-caster. Your audience would appreciate the analysis and it benefits the overall quality of the casting. Calm down! This isn't the shopping channel and you don't have to sell me anything. If a game isn't of the highest quality then you don't need to pretend it is. Save your excitement for when it matters. Talk less! Less quantity more quality. I understand play-by-play is hard and that filling dead air is difficult so pace yourself. In down time have relevant conversations with your co-caster. Even if they are contrived, they can benefit the listener and build chemistry. Dont force the funny. You don't need to be a standup comedian to be a good caster, this is an area I feel you have improved on. Code A caster trials were painful. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
I don't like moletrap. At all. The reasons why have already been posted (voice, volume control, he's a jerk to his cocasters, poor knowledge of the game, not funny, poor speaking skills. ) I don't care that he was a brood war caster. So was Klazart. Do you really want krackzart casting too? Actually, I would. He was too damned funny. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On August 11 2011 20:18 eburnsdaniel wrote: I wish XRaDiiX would stop trolling. I agree with you about Moletrap and also that many posting here probably don't watch the GSL, but spitting bile every other post isn't helping your cause. Also enough of the random capslocks! Make your point and move on. Why arent any of those who support Moletrap addressing the issues raised in the gom forum post quoted above? Do you watch the casts? Very few in this thread are hating on Moletrap the person, only complaining that he doesnt meet the high standards set by the GSL. Hearing him get confused by the DT expand opening in Sase's game yesterday was somewhat embarrassing. And it wasn't an exception. He betrays a lack of critical understanding many times throughout his casts. No one expects the casters to have exhaustative knowledge of all races, especially play-by-play but I expect paid professionals to understand the basic openers of each race and to appreciate the dynamics they create. I complain only because I think Gom can do better and I am beginning to resent paying for GSL. However if he sticks around I hope he does improve. If I were to give him advice (which im sure he'd never read) it would be as follows: Learn the various opening build orders for each race. There are obviously infinite variations but most people seem to stick to 4 or so. Also when you lack knowledge, don't be too proud to defer to your co-caster. Your audience would appreciate the analysis and it benefits the overall quality of the casting. Calm down! This isn't the shopping channel and you don't have to sell me anything. If a game isn't of the highest quality then you don't need to pretend it is. Save your excitement for when it matters. Talk less! Less quantity more quality. I understand play-by-play is hard and that filling dead air is difficult so pace yourself. In down time have relevant conversations with your co-caster. Even if they are contrived, they can benefit the listener and build chemistry. Dont force the funny. You don't need to be a standup comedian to be a good caster, this is an area I feel you have improved on. Code A caster trials were painful. This post is great. Constructive criticism that's actually worthwhile. I enjoy his casts, sometimes he's been wrong but i kinda feel like people dislike him and focus on the wrong predictions too much. Everyone does it but it seems like people only notice it when the caster is someone they don't really enjoy. Moletrap is already trying to avoid interrupting his cocaster and i think we'll see alot of improvements now that he's a sure hire at GOM. | ||
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UBavarice
Sweden358 Posts
For me, what's making his cast unbearable is his constantly squealing, high-pitched voice. You can't change your voice, sorry Moletrap. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On August 11 2011 19:01 nosquid wrote: I actually made an account on TeamLiquid just to discredit XRaDiiX. I am idling in the gomtv chat while watching the GSTL and RaDii is essentially spamming either 1) go to this post and say you hate moletrap or 2) throwing insults about moletrap (the majority of which refer to either his weight or looks). RaDii is a troll and should not be allowed to post here. I've been in the GOM live chat the last hour and here's a collection of quotes from XRaDiiX (spoilered because of size): + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i56.tinypic.com/bhku3n.jpg) Seems like he's actually trying when posting here compared to the GOM chat. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
If his voice somehow gets on your nerves, then fair enough since i can say the same about a few other casters. Different preferences, I guess. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On August 11 2011 21:40 karpo wrote: I've been in the GOM live chat the last hour and here's a collection of quotes from XRaDiiX (spoilered because of size): + Show Spoiler + Seems like he's actually trying when posting here compared to the GOM chat. Wow, good catch. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On August 11 2011 18:57 sluggaslamoo wrote: I blindly support Moletrap for all the years dedication he has put into Starcraft. He deserves it, he has a ton of history behind him. Most SC2 only players just wouldn't and could never understand. Boxer has put years of dedication into Broodwar, and deserves respect, but you wouldn't pick him as your ace in SPL against KT. You can respect someone for what he's done while still recognizing current status. | ||
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Exempt.
United States470 Posts
On August 10 2011 23:00 NASAmoose wrote: I wish I could pinpoint what it is about him that I don't like, but I agree he's just not a caster I enjoy. Seems like a nice guy though, maybe it's his voice? I watched a ton of Code A last night and just found myself much more interested in what Wolf had to say. I've thought about it myself and I think the reason why I personally don't like him is because of how harsh he is to the code A players. He acts like its the end of the world when a guy messes up on hellion micro, when obviously theres several things they're multitasking on. He's giving criticism where it isn't really necessary. Especially when code A has many of the best players in the world... Wolf used to do it too but I think he realized he was being a little bit too pessimistic in his attitude saying players were indecisive. Wolf's improved a lot and dealt with his faults. I think one reason why Artosis and Tasteless are so great is that while they're making it an enjoyable experience they can really explain when one of the players is doing something really cool and stylistic. Edit: I think given time Moletrap can learn too, he's probably just so used to the higher level play of BW since SC2 is still relatively new and will need to adapt. | ||
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disodi
Netherlands236 Posts
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On August 11 2011 23:01 Exempt. wrote: I've thought about it myself and I think the reason why I personally don't like him is because of how harsh he is to the code A players. He acts like its the end of the world when a guy messes up on hellion micro, when obviously theres several things they're multitasking on. He's gold / platinumish level giving criticism where it dont really it's necessary. Especially when code A has many of the best players in the world... Wolf used to do it too but I think he realized he was being a little bit too pessimistic in his attitude saying players were indecisive. Wolf's improved a lot and dealt with his faults. I think one reason why Artosis and Tasteless are so great is that while they're making it an enjoyable experience they can really explain when one of the players is doing something really cool and stylistic. I think given time Moletrap can learn too;. Wolf is just as harsh on mistakes as Moletrap is, even now. Tastosis have also always been brutally honest about certain players they don't like or bad plays. | ||
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