• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:49
CEST 15:49
KST 22:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202535RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams4Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 RSL Season 1 - Final Week The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams BW General Discussion ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 964 users

MLG Potential Prize Pool Increase - Page 30

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 28 29 30 31 32 48 Next All
zYwi3c
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland1811 Posts
July 30 2011 08:32 GMT
#581
On July 30 2011 03:10 Nausea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 03:09 Art_of_Kill wrote:
i just say so much: event time for europe 2am - 8am, i dont see why anyone would watch let alone buy hd stream


I'm in europe, i will watch and i've bought a pass.


Same, im in europe, bought Gold Membership like month ago.
If i cant watch, im just happy that i can support Esports in some way.
I'm getting the derection.
scatmango2
Profile Joined November 2010
United States408 Posts
July 30 2011 08:33 GMT
#582
On July 30 2011 17:31 denzelz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 17:28 iNcontroL wrote:
Wat lol


Go and actually try to win some games please instead of trolling TL forums.



Rofl pwnt. But turns out he has to spend his time trolling in between losses to occupy all of that time.
Tergeron
Profile Joined February 2010
United States66 Posts
July 30 2011 08:33 GMT
#583
On July 30 2011 17:31 denzelz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 17:28 iNcontroL wrote:
Wat lol


Go and actually try to win some games please instead of trolling TL forums.


welp
“Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.” -Confucius
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
July 30 2011 08:33 GMT
#584
On July 30 2011 17:32 zYwi3c wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 03:10 Nausea wrote:
On July 30 2011 03:09 Art_of_Kill wrote:
i just say so much: event time for europe 2am - 8am, i dont see why anyone would watch let alone buy hd stream


I'm in europe, i will watch and i've bought a pass.


Same, im in europe, bought Gold Membership like month ago.
If i cant watch, im just happy that i can support Esports in some way.


Sundance did mention an expansion to Europe, So you guys will be rewarded!
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
July 30 2011 08:33 GMT
#585
On July 30 2011 05:08 iNcontroL wrote:
Also threatening to lower the prizepool in response to a tweet was no good why take that route? Some random dude says 100k is too high so you say you might need ti lower the prizepool?

You think he's serious about lowering the prize pool if they don't get enough subscribers?

Sundance says dumb stuff all the time on his twitter, you of all people should know not to take it too literally.
nukeazerg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States168 Posts
July 30 2011 08:36 GMT
#586
Incontrol sold subscriptions based on a big prize. He is not a hypocrite. Sundance is selling subscriptions on the slight possibility of a big prize.
I have more respect for the person saying hey we are giving 400,000 for esports buy a ticket. Than the guy saying that the 50,000 dollars is too much to spend unless you get a ton more people to buy a ticket.
Caltu
Profile Joined May 2011
60 Posts
July 30 2011 08:42 GMT
#587
I just want to say that eSports needs to progress and prize pools do make eSports bigger, if the pool goes up or down the players dont ind for the most of their money comes from sponsorship and team salary's. The incentive for a bigger prize pool actually brings in more viewers!
I have been following some lower ranked SC2 tournys that have a grand prize of $75 and hardly anyone does because the pool is so low. However we all follow NASL, GSL ect all with the massive prize pools and we are all like OMG! ! ! Theres how much up for grabs! Im watching this. Sundance was right to add that incentive for viewers to up the subs, everyone is going to be telling eveyone they know OMG MLG COULD HAVE 100K PRIZE POOL!
Its all about making it bigger. Its not about the money its about getting 100k subs cos that is astronomical! The viewer base keeps getting bigger eSports gets bigger everything gets bigger.
Sundance simply dangled the carrot to help eSports and we need to follow and not QQ
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 09:07:51
July 30 2011 08:43 GMT
#588
On July 30 2011 17:28 iNcontroL wrote:
Wat lol

[image loading]

I don't see how you possibly think it's appropriate for you to criticize another business's advertising method, especially when that business has a proven track record.

GosuCoaching v.1
GosuCamp
GosuGuide
GosuBodyMassage

And you pleaded for NASL memberships before even having broadcasted a game, and throughout the entire season while you still continued to deliver a sub par product. And throughout all that time Sundance was supportive of you! You are the #1 snake oil salesman in the SC2 community, even more than Shokz.

MLG runs 3 (soon to be 4, possibly 5) different games, at 4+ events per year. For the current three games, their payout was close to $800,000. Sundance is trying to hype it to be more. Not only do more memberships (which aren't necessarily $30 - you become a member for free, you become a silver member for $10.) help them draw in sponsors, but it carries over to every other event in the next year. Sundance only mentioned the Grand Finals because that's the only one on this year's budget that's within a reasonable timeframe, and it's the most important one to hype in his 144 character limit.

Do you really think he's only talking about $25,000/$50,000 more for a single SC2 event? When they've got 4/5 games and multiple events throughout the year? In the grand scheme of MLG, where it came from and what it is, look how far SC2 has come from a year ago. They plan out these events and all the production that goes into them upwards to a year in advance, and we've only seen the beginning of what's in store for SC2.

You say it's underhanded to offer an incentive for giving money, but that's exactly what you did for NASL. The only difference is that Sundance was very specific about the numbers needed, and at least gave partial information about what the outcome would be. All you did was give a vague explanation about how it would help ESPORTS and how it could make NASL better in the future. And somehow that's better than what MLG did? Now Sundance has replied and clarified that he didn't just mean a single event, but that he means the entire SC2/MLG circuit can be revamped with such kind of support. Now this is where you say, "Oh, that sounds great, Sundance! Thanks for clarifying, I was wrong in my earlier remarks."
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Jago
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland390 Posts
July 30 2011 08:49 GMT
#589
I actually didn't realize that MLG 1 year gold membership is just 29,99$. That's just 20€, which is pretty much a joke. I am very tempted to put an order in, but to be fair, I am kinda put off at the idea of automatic renewal of subscription/billing unless cancelled.

If I order, pay and then cancel my subscription, will it continue to work normally for the entire duration of the "prepad" time?
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
July 30 2011 08:49 GMT
#590
Just wondering if we are unavailable to watch the games live for MLG, is there anyway to watch the VOD's later?

For example: I'm a nurse and always work when the NASL is on however when the VOD's come up the next day is when I watch all the games.

I work every time MLG is live unfortunately but would really like to purchase the gold package. Unfortunately there is no reason for me to purchase it if I'm never able to watch it live though.
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
Scotty2tuff
Profile Joined January 2011
United States15 Posts
July 30 2011 08:49 GMT
#591
I love how people want transparency, and as soon as someone is honest the community rips them to shreds haha. *I realize not everyone is being harsh, but some are* I feel like everyone is asking for one thing and expecting something different. At the end of the day, I don't see what the big deal is about what Sundance said. If you don't want to support him or his organization, don't. We shouldn't make this into more than it is.
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
July 30 2011 08:50 GMT
#592
On July 30 2011 17:36 nukeazerg wrote:
Incontrol sold subscriptions based on a big prize. He is not a hypocrite. Sundance is selling subscriptions on the slight possibility of a big prize.
I have more respect for the person saying hey we are giving 400,000 for esports buy a ticket. Than the guy saying that the 50,000 dollars is too much to spend unless you get a ton more people to buy a ticket.

50,000 dollars for ONE MLG. You are buying a year-long pass, for every MLG.
Are you human?
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 08:58:46
July 30 2011 08:53 GMT
#593
On July 30 2011 17:14 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!

It's certainly better than begging people to buy passes for an unaired, unrefined product for the sake of ESPORTS. MLG at least has a stated goal/incentive, and some history behind their work. Surely even you can't miss the irony of your statement.

You don't like losing arguments on the internet, we get it. But you really can't expect to carry this one through with any semblance of a viable argument. Ask IdrA or Tyler or any other logical forum addict you can think of. They'll tell you you're being hypocritical on this. Once upon a time you could criticize MLG for this or asking people to buy shirts. That time has long since passed.

Anyways, I ended up getting the Gold Membership. I'm mostly watching EVO all weekend so I want the VODs, plus I decided to buy something from MLG after how well Columbus went.



good post.

incontrol is turning into a community joke. I mean jesus christ does incontrol have a switch in his brain to govern his posting? Has he always been like this? It seems as though he has this sense of entitlement now because he played BW and hung around this scene a long time. I think his relative fame for being a comedian on a podcast and over charging derps for coaching has gone to his head. Comeback to reality incontrol or just burn out and go away, you aren't as important as you think you are.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Sd9
Profile Joined May 2011
United States26 Posts
July 30 2011 09:05 GMT
#594
Yeah, keep it up haters. Somehow I find it hard to believe that most of you can't see why the statement made by Sundance was a little ridiculous. iNcontroL made a fucking sarcastic comment and now he's a disgrace to SC2? Back off, it's not like he's trying to make you not buy the passes. Now thanks to all you he's laughing quietly to himself as he tries to figure out why he lost today's matches against professional gamers who've spent more time practicing than him because he was busy with NASL. It's almost like everything he does is legitimate and his reasons for doing them are obvious to anyone with the ability to critically think.

Keep hating haters. Keep hating.
nxiety
Profile Joined July 2011
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 09:08:54
July 30 2011 09:07 GMT
#595
On July 30 2011 17:36 nukeazerg wrote:
Incontrol sold subscriptions based on a big prize. He is not a hypocrite. Sundance is selling subscriptions on the slight possibility of a big prize.
I have more respect for the person saying hey we are giving 400,000 for esports buy a ticket. Than the guy saying that the 50,000 dollars is too much to spend unless you get a ton more people to buy a ticket.


Difference of opinion I suppose, but I personally respect the people portraying eSports in a positive light more than those that do not. Sundance is attempting to sell more content as well as bigger prize pools. More content, specifically more quality content helps eSports more than a bigger prize pool. They're slowly improving, more and more. Slow and steady wins the race.

A huge prize pool may attract players but more quality content will attract sponsors which in turn directly helps players receive better contracts. Better contracts directly influences the possibility of eSports players having viable careers. Look at all the previous tournaments with huge cash prizes up to $100,000 and let me know how well they survived. Whatever MLG is doing right, which is a lot, sponsors love it. And love it or hate it making the sponsors happy makes eSports possible.

Not to mention the fact that MLG has done more than the other organization you're implying for eSports and they have done so over the course of a longer period. They were founded in 2002 and disregarding that and only accounting their time involved in StarCraft 2 they've still done more. The fact they've been involved in eSports for 9 years coupled with the fact they started during a time many people considered eSports a joke or an impossibility I would wager they do it out of passion and not just attempting to get rich like many, many other organizations that came about and died shortly after they started over the last decade.

How about you give respect to people that have earned it rather than the people that were a mouthpiece for a hype machine that fell flat on many of its promises(not discrediting them but they didn't live up to their expectations and I hope they do in the future, sooner than later.)
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 09:37:32
July 30 2011 09:10 GMT
#596
On July 30 2011 02:41 SundanceMLG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!



Months ago you gave me shit about the prize pool and now I'm putting a simple and obtainable goal out there for the entire community and you give me shit again - and that's fine. I still respect you and appreciate what you've done and will continue to do for the scene. My question is this - if the number was 50,000 would you take an issue with my approach? How about 15,000? What if I didn't say a thing and just watched my spreadsheets populate with numbers and kept the community in the dark? Shouldn't the people who love this have some insight into what is needed for success?

You're either in or you're out. $30 a year from 100,000 people makes this company a real business and not just a passion project from a guy with a hippy name who refuses to quit. $30 a year from 10,000 people means that we're all wrong and there isn't enough fan support to sustain a business of scale.

Less than a dime a day from less than 10% of the people who visit our site over the course of an event weekend allows me to flip a switch and change next year to a structure that supports 24 live events & 28 meaningful ladders. 52 competitions with nearly 2 million dollars of prize money and stipends.

Again - I don't care if you think I'm an asshole or a money grubbing prick. I just want to find out if what we do is actually meaningful to enough of you to step up.



Id buy a second membership if i could to also get the replays of the events
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
July 30 2011 09:10 GMT
#597
Incontrol, the mother*****ing business major.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
marvin.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States469 Posts
July 30 2011 09:12 GMT
#598
incontrol fooled us all. this thread has gotten more people to buy passes. wp wp.
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
July 30 2011 09:16 GMT
#599
Personally, I think MLG is doing a great job. It seems they really care about the quality of their tourneys and do everything within their power to improve it. It is the biggest tourney with the largest international representation. Each one gets better. If I'm going to support any tourney it would be MLG. $30 is really not that much for a year subscription and I think people that dedicate their life to E-sports deserve to make a little money, whether it be the promoters/organizers like Sundance or the players that compete at the professional level. My measly $30 can help both parties involved so I see no reason not to support E-sports.
$♥$
cape
Profile Joined May 2010
United States142 Posts
July 30 2011 09:19 GMT
#600
On July 30 2011 18:12 marvin. wrote:
incontrol fooled us all. this thread has gotten more people to buy passes. wp wp.


Incontrol isn't that smart, he just likes to argue.
Prev 1 28 29 30 31 32 48 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Esports World Cup
10:00
2025 - Day 2
Reynor vs MaruLIVE!
herO vs Cure
Serral vs Classic
EWC_Arena8735
ComeBackTV 2557
TaKeTV 524
Hui .484
3DClanTV 309
Rex216
EnkiAlexander 191
CranKy Ducklings180
mcanning145
Reynor124
UpATreeSC96
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EWC_Arena9218
Hui .484
Rex 216
mcanning 145
Reynor 118
UpATreeSC 95
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 3856
Barracks 1938
Flash 1649
BeSt 1583
Jaedong 1523
EffOrt 1111
Stork 601
Mini 576
ggaemo 435
Snow 283
[ Show more ]
Soma 280
ZerO 259
Soulkey 258
ToSsGirL 255
GuemChi 250
Dewaltoss 128
Rush 124
Hyun 121
TY 60
soO 59
Sacsri 46
sorry 40
JulyZerg 38
scan(afreeca) 26
Yoon 11
ivOry 10
Movie 10
Bale 9
Terrorterran 9
Britney 0
Dota 2
Gorgc4603
XcaliburYe279
420jenkins218
syndereN135
Counter-Strike
sgares588
oskar230
edward36
Super Smash Bros
Westballz30
Other Games
singsing2118
hiko1358
B2W.Neo916
crisheroes417
Fuzer 166
ArmadaUGS71
QueenE39
ZerO(Twitch)16
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH296
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV564
League of Legends
• Nemesis3526
• TFBlade326
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
20h 11m
TBD vs Zoun
TBD vs SHIN
TBD vs ShoWTimE
TBD vs Rogue
Esports World Cup
1d 21h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.