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Also, why is everyone acting like TSL couldn't just have said no and taken this to court if Puma does turn out to be contracted with wording that pertains to him having to only play for that team. Who's to even say his contract says anything more than while you play for TSL you will get this many bananas, thus being open ended and solely regarding the money involved between the two?
Why couldn't they have just said no, kept him under contract, and let him sit and accept that he is contracted to TSL according to what he signed (Carmelo Anthony situation) until TSL received the restitution they felt they deserved for letting a player like Puma go elsewhere (IE how teams trade players for players).
Again, you really don't want the SC2 pro scene to turn into a contract scene. Hopefully this can be deterred. But now, at this point, teams can legitimately be afraid of investing into guys who aren't contracted, without having the ability to enforce those contracts aside from going to court. That's why leagues have owners who govern the league, with a set of rules that lay out what is accepted, and not accepted, within the league.
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Here is my problem with TSL, its ok for FD and Trickster to leave and join a rival team as they wish but not ok for Puma to join EG? I bet that they were talking to ST long before they left TSL as they were making a good amount of money. Their problem is that EG is a foreign team and not a Korean which is sad to see such biased views coming from the Koreans.
This is business, no laws or rules were broken and EG paid Puma a good amount of money, wont you go if that was the case for you?
GJ EG, hope to see more Koreans join your team.
PS TSL: if you are going to get angry at your players leaving, solve your own problems as Puma is not the only player that left because of problems within TSL!
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On July 22 2011 01:26 rofa wrote:
I agree with everyone saying that this is a great move for EG. Sure, it sucks for the TSL team and management, having helped train and support Puma but the bottom line is that this will be awesome for the foreign scene. I hope that more foreign teams follow suit! EG FIGHTING!!!
Yeah who gives a shit about the TSL players and management. Who gives a shit about the Korean moral values; as long as the foreign scene benefits then everyone else can go to hell.
/sarcasm
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EG strikes again, what a shocker.
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Wouldn't be disrespectful to the player if you discuss his future with the manager who has no rights over him? Think about that.
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Can EG use one of it's existing player passes to put PUMA in the Open Bracket for MLG? I assume if they acquire him, they'll want him in the tournament. It will provide an opportunity to add rank points for the grand finals.
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That's one thing about E-Sports that really troubles me. If any professional sports team in this country even talked to a player contracted by another team while said player was still under contract it would be a major violation of both the teams contract with the league and the players contract with his team. Hell in baseball if you want to bring a player over from Japan, the team purchasing the player has to pay the Japanese team a certain cut just to get the rights to speak to him.
I'm assuming EG did not break any major rules by doing what they did to acquire Puma, so I'm not speaking ill of them.They saw an opportunity to bring a great player, and good on them for doing so. However, if Esports wants to truly be considered a global brand there are going to have to be some regulations put in place to keep teams from being able to even recruit a player that is still under contract with another team.
Of course if I am misunderstanding how contracts work in Korea let me know.
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On July 22 2011 01:27 Lankeer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 01:26 rofa wrote:
I agree with everyone saying that this is a great move for EG. Sure, it sucks for the TSL team and management, having helped train and support Puma but the bottom line is that this will be awesome for the foreign scene. I hope that more foreign teams follow suit! EG FIGHTING!!! Yeah who gives a shit about the TSL players and management. Who gives a shit about the Korean moral values; as long as the foreign scene benefits then everyone else can go to hell. /sarcasm
If the Koreans can't even sign contracts then yeah, they should have seen it coming. Puma has a salary now, does he not? He wasn't the property of TSL.
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Sir Scoots is one of the biggest clowns in e-sports. No surprise here.
User was warned for this post
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On July 22 2011 01:27 Lankeer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 01:26 rofa wrote:
I agree with everyone saying that this is a great move for EG. Sure, it sucks for the TSL team and management, having helped train and support Puma but the bottom line is that this will be awesome for the foreign scene. I hope that more foreign teams follow suit! EG FIGHTING!!! Yeah who gives a shit about the TSL players and management. Who gives a shit about the Korean moral values; as long as the foreign scene benefits then everyone else can go to hell. /sarcasm
you mean the korean "moral value" that you belong to your manager and without their consent you can't leave elsewhere when given a better opportunity?
wait what?
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On July 22 2011 01:26 murtas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 01:21 natey-nate wrote:On July 22 2011 01:19 murtas wrote:
Well i did not read the 170 page that already cover this, but If i'm understanding right, Puma hadn't a contract with TSL, which if it is true, is weird.
But otherwise he couldn't have signed a second contract because that would be illegal, if he was already contracted.
Which leads to the point, why wasn't he contracted with TSL and if that was because he was an "new" upcoming player.
Thats TSL fault for not binding their players sooner. Just like any other sports, when there is no contract everyone is free to go.
Dunno where all this morality thing is coming from. From TSL's tweet about "releasing" puma, it seems like he WAS contracted with TSL. Puma himself requested to be released before it expired so he could join EG. TSL conceded. If he was contracted and they released it, it is their fault too, if they weren't happy about EG handling of the process, then just don't release the player if EG wants him, they need to pay what TSL desired to transfer the player just like every other sport. Specially when this player is their ACE and letting him go for 0? Super weird in a financial perspective.
This is true and im sure TSL couldn't offer a competitive deal to EG's, but when your player basically tells you he wants out it puts you in a difficult position because you want to keep him, but obviously he will be unhappy if you don't let him out.
i.e. he might intentionally underperform and make things hell for you until you abide by his request.
This is why in other pro sports, teams are not allowed to make offers to currently contracted players on other teams even though they can offer more money.
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Next time you're offered a better job than you're working currently, be sure to turn it down out of loyalty 
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On July 22 2011 01:26 hyptonic wrote:
Just hope he doesnt have to train with EG lol. They are one of the worst NA teams!
I'm not a big IdrA fan but I certainly disagree with this, can you even name me two north american (not european) teams that they are worse than?
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Absolutely amazing for EG! Can't wait to see EGPuma fighting! Also, lfmao@all the drama queens here. This thread just goes to show that trolls creates mountains out of molehills from anything when there's no big tournaments to discuss.
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I can not change anything just buy answering people here adn trying to make my point like I have been doing in the past 5-6 pages.
most people are too delicate to change their minds.
Anyone who thinks about this and thinks about coach lee specifically without any bias would know.
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On July 22 2011 01:29 Ruccola wrote:
Sir Scoots is one of the biggest clowns in e-sports. No surprise here.
who has given far more to the scene than you ever will, and has likely done no wrong here.
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On July 22 2011 01:29 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 01:27 Lankeer wrote:On July 22 2011 01:26 rofa wrote:
I agree with everyone saying that this is a great move for EG. Sure, it sucks for the TSL team and management, having helped train and support Puma but the bottom line is that this will be awesome for the foreign scene. I hope that more foreign teams follow suit! EG FIGHTING!!! Yeah who gives a shit about the TSL players and management. Who gives a shit about the Korean moral values; as long as the foreign scene benefits then everyone else can go to hell. /sarcasm If the Koreans can't even sign contracts then yeah, they should have seen it coming. Puma has a salary now, does he not? He wasn't the property of TSL.
You don't understand >.<
Even if there was no contract, it doesn't give EG the right to go behind TSL's back and steal their most valuable player. It's basic ethics and respect.
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On July 22 2011 01:13 archangel2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 01:11 jiveturkey wrote:On July 22 2011 01:05 Luppy1 wrote:
I would agree with Milkis. Really no respect at all. I feel this is entirely about ethnics and values. Also, this isn't surprising for me that so many people in the west simply don't get what's so wrong about this. Some of you are just brought up differently and have a different set of values.
Some of you are saying it like there's absolutely nothing wrong with how it's done simply because there's no rule that disallows this from happening. I was going to give an example. But, I'm pretty sure someone will just intentionally look at the example from an extreme point of view just to say it's invalid. It's unethical from your point of view, and ethical from other people's perspective. That does not mean that it is unethical. It is what it is. The transaction took place, and two parties benefit and one party loses out. That is the fact of the matter, and all of your moral issues with it are completely opinion, and that is all. And I think it's obvious that law is completely irrelevant to morality, I don't think many people would disagree with that. Are you kidding? So much of law stems from morality. How would you write laws without a prior concept of what's right and wrong? Why is there a law against murder? Theft? Etc.
Oh. So slavery was ethical when it was legal but then because unethical when it was illegal? Are you saying that what is ethical and unethical changes over time? It has to since laws change all the time. No, legality in no way implies morality. It's extremely obvious.
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At least idra doesnt have to carry the team anymore. Does anyone know if he's going to eg team house or staying in korea? Sorry if it was answered but this thread is already at 170+ pages when i found it...
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On July 22 2011 01:29 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 01:27 Lankeer wrote:On July 22 2011 01:26 rofa wrote:
I agree with everyone saying that this is a great move for EG. Sure, it sucks for the TSL team and management, having helped train and support Puma but the bottom line is that this will be awesome for the foreign scene. I hope that more foreign teams follow suit! EG FIGHTING!!! Yeah who gives a shit about the TSL players and management. Who gives a shit about the Korean moral values; as long as the foreign scene benefits then everyone else can go to hell. /sarcasm If the Koreans can't even sign contracts then yeah, they should have seen it coming. Puma has a salary now, does he not? He wasn't the property of TSL.
Except he did have a salary when he was at TSL, and given that, i would assume a contract as well
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