• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:20
CET 11:20
KST 19:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
2026 KongFu Cup Announcement3BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains15Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block4GSL CK - New online series18
StarCraft 2
General
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Terran AddOns placement
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 KongFu Cup Announcement [GSL CK] Team Maru vs. Team herO
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 ASL21 General Discussion Are you ready for ASL 21? Hype VIDEO Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours IPSL Spring 2026 is here! ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread No Man's Sky (PS4 and PC)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Mexico's Drug War Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine NASA and the Private Sector
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread General nutrition recommendations Cricket [SPORT] TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2328 users

Puma leaves TSL for EG - Page 173

Forum Index > SC2 General
7189 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 171 172 173 174 175 360 Next
Grimsong
Profile Joined August 2010
United States252 Posts
July 21 2011 16:27 GMT
#3441
Also, why is everyone acting like TSL couldn't just have said no and taken this to court if Puma does turn out to be contracted with wording that pertains to him having to only play for that team. Who's to even say his contract says anything more than while you play for TSL you will get this many bananas, thus being open ended and solely regarding the money involved between the two?

Why couldn't they have just said no, kept him under contract, and let him sit and accept that he is contracted to TSL according to what he signed (Carmelo Anthony situation) until TSL received the restitution they felt they deserved for letting a player like Puma go elsewhere (IE how teams trade players for players).

Again, you really don't want the SC2 pro scene to turn into a contract scene. Hopefully this can be deterred. But now, at this point, teams can legitimately be afraid of investing into guys who aren't contracted, without having the ability to enforce those contracts aside from going to court. That's why leagues have owners who govern the league, with a set of rules that lay out what is accepted, and not accepted, within the league.
Abdool
Profile Joined March 2011
United States53 Posts
July 21 2011 16:27 GMT
#3442
Here is my problem with TSL, its ok for FD and Trickster to leave and join a rival team as they wish but not ok for Puma to join EG? I bet that they were talking to ST long before they left TSL as they were making a good amount of money. Their problem is that EG is a foreign team and not a Korean which is sad to see such biased views coming from the Koreans.

This is business, no laws or rules were broken and EG paid Puma a good amount of money, wont you go if that was the case for you?

GJ EG, hope to see more Koreans join your team.

PS TSL: if you are going to get angry at your players leaving, solve your own problems as Puma is not the only player that left because of problems within TSL!

non :(
Lankeer
Profile Joined July 2011
35 Posts
July 21 2011 16:27 GMT
#3443
On July 22 2011 01:26 rofa wrote:
I agree with everyone saying that this is a great move for EG. Sure, it sucks for the TSL team and management, having helped train and support Puma but the bottom line is that this will be awesome for the foreign scene. I hope that more foreign teams follow suit! EG FIGHTING!!!

Yeah who gives a shit about the TSL players and management. Who gives a shit about the Korean moral values; as long as the foreign scene benefits then everyone else can go to hell.

/sarcasm
smallerk
Profile Joined October 2010
897 Posts
July 21 2011 16:28 GMT
#3444
EG strikes again, what a shocker.
Never Regret anything because at one time it was exactly what you wanted.
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
July 21 2011 16:28 GMT
#3445
Wouldn't be disrespectful to the player if you discuss his future with the manager who has no rights over him? Think about that.
Jnai
Profile Joined September 2010
United States442 Posts
July 21 2011 16:28 GMT
#3446
Can EG use one of it's existing player passes to put PUMA in the Open Bracket for MLG? I assume if they acquire him, they'll want him in the tournament. It will provide an opportunity to add rank points for the grand finals.
SonicBoxer
Profile Joined February 2011
United States17 Posts
July 21 2011 16:29 GMT
#3447
That's one thing about E-Sports that really troubles me. If any professional sports team in this country even talked to a player contracted by another team while said player was still under contract it would be a major violation of both the teams contract with the league and the players contract with his team. Hell in baseball if you want to bring a player over from Japan, the team purchasing the player has to pay the Japanese team a certain cut just to get the rights to speak to him.

I'm assuming EG did not break any major rules by doing what they did to acquire Puma, so I'm not speaking ill of them.They saw an opportunity to bring a great player, and good on them for doing so. However, if Esports wants to truly be considered a global brand there are going to have to be some regulations put in place to keep teams from being able to even recruit a player that is still under contract with another team.

Of course if I am misunderstanding how contracts work in Korea let me know.
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
July 21 2011 16:29 GMT
#3448
On July 22 2011 01:27 Lankeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:26 rofa wrote:
I agree with everyone saying that this is a great move for EG. Sure, it sucks for the TSL team and management, having helped train and support Puma but the bottom line is that this will be awesome for the foreign scene. I hope that more foreign teams follow suit! EG FIGHTING!!!

Yeah who gives a shit about the TSL players and management. Who gives a shit about the Korean moral values; as long as the foreign scene benefits then everyone else can go to hell.

/sarcasm

If the Koreans can't even sign contracts then yeah, they should have seen it coming. Puma has a salary now, does he not? He wasn't the property of TSL.
Ruccola
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway81 Posts
July 21 2011 16:29 GMT
#3449
Sir Scoots is one of the biggest clowns in e-sports. No surprise here.

User was warned for this post
fush
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada563 Posts
July 21 2011 16:29 GMT
#3450
On July 22 2011 01:27 Lankeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:26 rofa wrote:
I agree with everyone saying that this is a great move for EG. Sure, it sucks for the TSL team and management, having helped train and support Puma but the bottom line is that this will be awesome for the foreign scene. I hope that more foreign teams follow suit! EG FIGHTING!!!

Yeah who gives a shit about the TSL players and management. Who gives a shit about the Korean moral values; as long as the foreign scene benefits then everyone else can go to hell.

/sarcasm


you mean the korean "moral value" that you belong to your manager and without their consent you can't leave elsewhere when given a better opportunity?

wait what?
natey-nate
Profile Joined June 2011
United States20 Posts
July 21 2011 16:29 GMT
#3451
On July 22 2011 01:26 murtas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:21 natey-nate wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:19 murtas wrote:
Well i did not read the 170 page that already cover this, but If i'm understanding right, Puma hadn't a contract with TSL, which if it is true, is weird.

But otherwise he couldn't have signed a second contract because that would be illegal, if he was already contracted.

Which leads to the point, why wasn't he contracted with TSL and if that was because he was an "new" upcoming player.
Thats TSL fault for not binding their players sooner. Just like any other sports, when there is no contract everyone is free to go.

Dunno where all this morality thing is coming from.


From TSL's tweet about "releasing" puma, it seems like he WAS contracted with TSL. Puma himself requested to be released before it expired so he could join EG. TSL conceded.


If he was contracted and they released it, it is their fault too, if they weren't happy about EG handling of the process, then just don't release the player if EG wants him, they need to pay what TSL desired to transfer the player just like every other sport.
Specially when this player is their ACE and letting him go for 0? Super weird in a financial perspective.


This is true and im sure TSL couldn't offer a competitive deal to EG's, but when your player basically tells you he wants out it puts you in a difficult position because you want to keep him, but obviously he will be unhappy if you don't let him out.
i.e. he might intentionally underperform and make things hell for you until you abide by his request.

This is why in other pro sports, teams are not allowed to make offers to currently contracted players on other teams even though they can offer more money.
flanksteak
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada246 Posts
July 21 2011 16:30 GMT
#3452
Next time you're offered a better job than you're working currently, be sure to turn it down out of loyalty
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
July 21 2011 16:30 GMT
#3453
On July 22 2011 01:26 hyptonic wrote:
Just hope he doesnt have to train with EG lol. They are one of the worst NA teams!


I'm not a big IdrA fan but I certainly disagree with this, can you even name me two north american (not european) teams that they are worse than?
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
July 21 2011 16:30 GMT
#3454
Absolutely amazing for EG! Can't wait to see EGPuma fighting! Also, lfmao@all the drama queens here. This thread just goes to show that trolls creates mountains out of molehills from anything when there's no big tournaments to discuss.
Walls
Profile Joined May 2011
United States172 Posts
July 21 2011 16:30 GMT
#3455
I can not change anything just buy answering people here adn trying to make my point like I have been doing in the past 5-6 pages.
most people are too delicate to change their minds.
Anyone who thinks about this and thinks about coach lee specifically without any bias would know.
SlayerS_Eve's third fan, in the time of hatred... very very proud of that.
fush
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada563 Posts
July 21 2011 16:30 GMT
#3456
On July 22 2011 01:29 Ruccola wrote:
Sir Scoots is one of the biggest clowns in e-sports. No surprise here.


who has given far more to the scene than you ever will, and has likely done no wrong here.

Lankeer
Profile Joined July 2011
35 Posts
July 21 2011 16:30 GMT
#3457
On July 22 2011 01:29 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:27 Lankeer wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:26 rofa wrote:
I agree with everyone saying that this is a great move for EG. Sure, it sucks for the TSL team and management, having helped train and support Puma but the bottom line is that this will be awesome for the foreign scene. I hope that more foreign teams follow suit! EG FIGHTING!!!

Yeah who gives a shit about the TSL players and management. Who gives a shit about the Korean moral values; as long as the foreign scene benefits then everyone else can go to hell.

/sarcasm

If the Koreans can't even sign contracts then yeah, they should have seen it coming. Puma has a salary now, does he not? He wasn't the property of TSL.

You don't understand >.<
Even if there was no contract, it doesn't give EG the right to go behind TSL's back and steal their most valuable player. It's basic ethics and respect.
jiveturkey
Profile Joined March 2011
United States18 Posts
July 21 2011 16:30 GMT
#3458
On July 22 2011 01:13 archangel2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:11 jiveturkey wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:05 Luppy1 wrote:
I would agree with Milkis. Really no respect at all. I feel this is entirely about ethnics and values. Also, this isn't surprising for me that so many people in the west simply don't get what's so wrong about this. Some of you are just brought up differently and have a different set of values.

Some of you are saying it like there's absolutely nothing wrong with how it's done simply because there's no rule that disallows this from happening. I was going to give an example. But, I'm pretty sure someone will just intentionally look at the example from an extreme point of view just to say it's invalid.
It's unethical from your point of view, and ethical from other people's perspective. That does not mean that it is unethical. It is what it is. The transaction took place, and two parties benefit and one party loses out. That is the fact of the matter, and all of your moral issues with it are completely opinion, and that is all. And I think it's obvious that law is completely irrelevant to morality, I don't think many people would disagree with that.




Are you kidding? So much of law stems from morality. How would you write laws without a prior concept of what's right and wrong? Why is there a law against murder? Theft? Etc.

Oh. So slavery was ethical when it was legal but then because unethical when it was illegal? Are you saying that what is ethical and unethical changes over time? It has to since laws change all the time. No, legality in no way implies morality. It's extremely obvious.
itsben
Profile Joined July 2010
435 Posts
July 21 2011 16:30 GMT
#3459
At least idra doesnt have to carry the team anymore. Does anyone know if he's going to eg team house or staying in korea? Sorry if it was answered but this thread is already at 170+ pages when i found it...
Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
July 21 2011 16:31 GMT
#3460
On July 22 2011 01:29 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:27 Lankeer wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:26 rofa wrote:
I agree with everyone saying that this is a great move for EG. Sure, it sucks for the TSL team and management, having helped train and support Puma but the bottom line is that this will be awesome for the foreign scene. I hope that more foreign teams follow suit! EG FIGHTING!!!

Yeah who gives a shit about the TSL players and management. Who gives a shit about the Korean moral values; as long as the foreign scene benefits then everyone else can go to hell.

/sarcasm

If the Koreans can't even sign contracts then yeah, they should have seen it coming. Puma has a salary now, does he not? He wasn't the property of TSL.


Except he did have a salary when he was at TSL, and given that, i would assume a contract as well
Prev 1 171 172 173 174 175 360 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
Season 4: Group D
ByuN vs SHIN
Maru vs Krystianer
Tasteless728
IndyStarCraft 71
Rex57
LiquipediaDiscussion
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #123
CranKy Ducklings39
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 728
IndyStarCraft 71
Rex 57
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 39415
Calm 13673
GuemChi 1521
Horang2 1141
BeSt 850
actioN 493
Jaedong 466
Soma 230
sorry 104
EffOrt 97
[ Show more ]
ToSsGirL 82
Mini 68
Last 64
Hm[arnc] 61
Rush 57
Barracks 46
Backho 45
NaDa 41
ZerO 41
JulyZerg 31
IntoTheRainbow 29
HiyA 24
GoRush 19
ivOry 13
Terrorterran 9
SilentControl 7
Dota 2
XaKoH 535
League of Legends
JimRising 508
Counter-Strike
zeus149
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King86
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor247
MindelVK17
Other Games
Fuzer 119
ZerO(Twitch)8
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream21823
Other Games
gamesdonequick758
ComeBackTV 308
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 18
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 55
• 3DClanTV 52
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1816
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Team League
1h 40m
Patches Events
6h 40m
BSL
9h 40m
GSL
21h 40m
Wardi Open
1d 1h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 6h
WardiTV Team League
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
OSC
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
WardiTV Team League
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-13
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
BSL Season 22
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
NationLESS Cup
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.