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On July 19 2011 19:37 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 19:30 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 19:25 Otolia wrote:On July 19 2011 19:20 hippocritical wrote:No she doesn't deserve the abuse, of course she shouldn't get abused for trying to play a game. But why people feel that they can justify the abuse is because she doesn't deserve her position, get better at you're job or don't expect a paycheck and adoring fans. Oh boy ! Oh boy ! You better take that mysogyny of yours in the backwards countryside where you were born. Such behavior shouldn't be allowed on TL. I am not sexist, or at least I try not to be as much as possible, but I believe if you're not properly qualified for something you shouldn't get paid for it. If SlayerS decided to recruit me to play for them, and paid me a salary and I wasn't any good at what I did, why would anyone, anywhere expect to take me seriously. Would you go to your doctor if you saw his most impressive qualification was finishing the second grade? No her being a girl isn't my point, her being crap is my point. I could care less if Eve was a guy and he was in gold league or whatever. If he got flamed on the internet for being bad at sc2 it's his problem, after all, he is getting PAID by SlayerS to represent them. You misunderstand my point entirely, and please if you're any better than the trolls on the internet you shouldn't tell me to GTFO basically. Who are you to say if she's qualified or not? Have you played her on ladder or in private? Have you seen her play on a stream before? I don't think anyone else has. Maybe you think SlayerS isn't good enough to decide themselves who should be on their team? Maybe you think you could do a better job judging a person you don't even know or have seen play?
True, I don't know if shes actually qualified, I can only judge by the evidence I've been presented with, she has 2 accounts on battle.net one in gold and one in diamond, I can only make my mind on these accomplishments. My judgements are based entirely on this. Maybe she will have a great showing in the GSTL and make a fan out of me, but I am allowed to be skeptical until then no?
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On July 19 2011 19:49 hippocritical wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 19:37 Baarn wrote:On July 19 2011 19:30 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 19:25 Otolia wrote:On July 19 2011 19:20 hippocritical wrote:No she doesn't deserve the abuse, of course she shouldn't get abused for trying to play a game. But why people feel that they can justify the abuse is because she doesn't deserve her position, get better at you're job or don't expect a paycheck and adoring fans. Oh boy ! Oh boy ! You better take that mysogyny of yours in the backwards countryside where you were born. Such behavior shouldn't be allowed on TL. I am not sexist, or at least I try not to be as much as possible, but I believe if you're not properly qualified for something you shouldn't get paid for it. If SlayerS decided to recruit me to play for them, and paid me a salary and I wasn't any good at what I did, why would anyone, anywhere expect to take me seriously. Would you go to your doctor if you saw his most impressive qualification was finishing the second grade? No her being a girl isn't my point, her being crap is my point. I could care less if Eve was a guy and he was in gold league or whatever. If he got flamed on the internet for being bad at sc2 it's his problem, after all, he is getting PAID by SlayerS to represent them. You misunderstand my point entirely, and please if you're any better than the trolls on the internet you shouldn't tell me to GTFO basically. Who are you to say if she's qualified or not? Have you played her on ladder or in private? Have you seen her play on a stream before? I don't think anyone else has. Maybe you think SlayerS isn't good enough to decide themselves who should be on their team? Maybe you think you could do a better job judging a person you don't even know or have seen play? True, I don't know if shes actually qualified, I can only judge by the evidence I've been presented with, she has 2 accounts on battle.net one in gold and one in diamond, I can only make my mind on these accomplishments. My judgements are based entirely on this. Maybe she will have a great showing in the GSTL and make a fan out of me, but I am allowed to be skeptical until then no?
Diamond on KR server are pretty much equivalent to NA high master.
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She might have overreacted a little bit but I don't think that it's necessarily bad. Maybe that will shut some idiots.
Being on the internet shouldn't mean being able to do anything and not be punished.
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Erm, @oniontaker posted this.
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ek
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If her league status is due to ladder lock then isn't that essentially a non issue (also considering the fact that this thread is about the abuse she's copped not her skill anyway).
Any pro can screw up a placement match if they get caught off guard or are thrown off (hell it's one game now afaik, the power could have gone out for all anyone knows) and if leagues are locked she has no opportunity (currently) to change that so no one should even give it a second thought.
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On July 19 2011 19:53 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 19:49 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 19:37 Baarn wrote:On July 19 2011 19:30 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 19:25 Otolia wrote:On July 19 2011 19:20 hippocritical wrote:No she doesn't deserve the abuse, of course she shouldn't get abused for trying to play a game. But why people feel that they can justify the abuse is because she doesn't deserve her position, get better at you're job or don't expect a paycheck and adoring fans. Oh boy ! Oh boy ! You better take that mysogyny of yours in the backwards countryside where you were born. Such behavior shouldn't be allowed on TL. I am not sexist, or at least I try not to be as much as possible, but I believe if you're not properly qualified for something you shouldn't get paid for it. If SlayerS decided to recruit me to play for them, and paid me a salary and I wasn't any good at what I did, why would anyone, anywhere expect to take me seriously. Would you go to your doctor if you saw his most impressive qualification was finishing the second grade? No her being a girl isn't my point, her being crap is my point. I could care less if Eve was a guy and he was in gold league or whatever. If he got flamed on the internet for being bad at sc2 it's his problem, after all, he is getting PAID by SlayerS to represent them. You misunderstand my point entirely, and please if you're any better than the trolls on the internet you shouldn't tell me to GTFO basically. Who are you to say if she's qualified or not? Have you played her on ladder or in private? Have you seen her play on a stream before? I don't think anyone else has. Maybe you think SlayerS isn't good enough to decide themselves who should be on their team? Maybe you think you could do a better job judging a person you don't even know or have seen play? True, I don't know if shes actually qualified, I can only judge by the evidence I've been presented with, she has 2 accounts on battle.net one in gold and one in diamond, I can only make my mind on these accomplishments. My judgements are based entirely on this. Maybe she will have a great showing in the GSTL and make a fan out of me, but I am allowed to be skeptical until then no? Diamond on KR server are pretty much equivalent to NA high master.
Can you provide evidence for this? My friend who is very high master on NA (top 400ish) has sustained top 25 in his master league in Korea......... If you can't provide evidence for this why do you state it as fact?
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Seriously, who the fuck cares about having sexual content photoshop'd with your face on it? what difference does it make to your life? nothing at all! Ignore that shit and be a mature person.
The hypocrisy is great considering all the hate 'Friday Friday' got from all communities on the internet, by your logic half of the Western world's population should be locked up because they posted hateful comments towards the video's creator. This is so freaking dumb that it is unbelievable, how can you seriously vouch for censorship on the internet, haven't you heard of freedom of speech, haven't you heard of democratic and western values?
I understand and acknowledge that it is different in Asia, but it is still total bullshit in the Western world, so it is simply not relevant in this discussion. What is relevant is that censorship is wrong and that it should in no way be acceptable in a modern society. Haven't you guys heard of the Westboro Baptist Church, we all wish we could lock them up in jail but human decency and maturity prevents us from doing this, why is this case any different? They ruin the gay's life as much as photoshopped pictures ruins Eve's life.
The kids who made the pictures or whatever sure are immature, but don't lock them up because of it.
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She has less emotional stability than Rebecca Black.
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On July 19 2011 19:57 TanX wrote:
Seriously, who the fuck cares about having sexual content photoshop'd with your face on it? what difference does it make to your life? nothing at all! Ignore that shit and be a mature person.
You want to give us your photo? Let us photoshop a bit and post it around the area you live and work, because you wouldn't mind right?
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On July 19 2011 19:57 TanX wrote:
Seriously, who the fuck cares about having sexual content photoshop'd with your face on it? what difference does it make to your life? nothing at all! Ignore that shit and be a mature person.
Maybe the immature guys who did this should mature a bit instead of Jessica?
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Go Jessica !
At least they will think about it next time they'll flame if she succeeds, that's all I wish to her and slayers team.
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My last post in this thread since I don't have much else to contribute
FYI ... even in SlayerS, Eve is no pushover at SC2
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On July 19 2011 19:57 TanX wrote:
Seriously, who the fuck cares about having sexual content photoshop'd with your face on it? what difference does it make to your life? nothing at all! Ignore that shit and be a mature person.
The hypocrisy is great considering all the hate 'Friday Friday' got from all communities on the internet, by your logic half of the Western world's population should be locked up because they sprouted hate towards the video's creator. This is so freaking dumb that it is unbelievable, how can you seriously vouch for censorship on the internet, haven't you heard of freedom of speech, haven't you heard of democratic and western values?
I understand and acknowledge that it is different in Asia, but it is still total bullshit in the Western world, so it is simply not relevant in this discussion. What is relevant is that censorship is wrong and that it should in no way be acceptable in a modern society. Haven't you guys heard of the Westboro Baptist Church, we all wish we could lock them up in jail but human decency and maturity prevents us from doing this, why is this case any different? They ruin the gay's life as much as photoshopped pictures ruins Eve's life.
The kids who made the pictures or whatever sure are immature, but don't lock them up because of it.
I completely agree, and also what about all those nude celebrity fake sites that none of the people they feature seem to care about.
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On July 19 2011 19:57 TanX wrote:
Seriously, who the fuck cares about having sexual content photoshop'd with your face on it? what difference does it make to your life? nothing at all! Ignore that shit and be a mature person.
The hypocrisy is great considering all the hate 'Friday Friday' got from all communities on the internet, by your logic half of the Western world's population should be locked up because they sprouted hate towards the video's creator. This is so freaking dumb that it is unbelievable, how can you seriously vouch for censorship on the internet, haven't you heard of freedom of speech, haven't you heard of democratic and western values?
I understand and acknowledge that it is different in Asia, but it is still total bullshit in the Western world, so it is simply not relevant in this discussion. What is relevant is that censorship is wrong and that it should in no way be acceptable in a modern society. Haven't you guys heard of the Westboro Baptist Church, we all wish we could lock them up in jail but human decency and maturity prevents us from doing this, why is this case any different? They ruin the gay's life as much as photoshopped pictures ruins Eve's life.
The kids who made the pictures or whatever sure are immature, but don't lock them up because of it.
I'm in the school that if they can go to jail for doing that then maybe they won't so you won't have to deal with it at all in the first place. Ever heard of dog poop girl and what happened to her because of netizens?
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On July 19 2011 19:59 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 19:57 TanX wrote:
Seriously, who the fuck cares about having sexual content photoshop'd with your face on it? what difference does it make to your life? nothing at all! Ignore that shit and be a mature person.
You want to give us your photo? Let us photoshop a bit and post it around the area you live and work, because you wouldn't mind right?
I thought they were posting on an message board called DCInside? If they did post photos of Eve around her home then that is definitely wrong.
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On July 19 2011 19:59 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 19:57 TanX wrote:
Seriously, who the fuck cares about having sexual content photoshop'd with your face on it? what difference does it make to your life? nothing at all! Ignore that shit and be a mature person.
Maybe the immature guys who did this should mature a bit instead of Jessica?
Totally agree, but kids will be kids, and they will face the consequences eventually. Very few adults are proud of what stupid stuff they did as a kid.
EDIT: but lock them up and ruin their life about it? are you serious?
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Korea's hardcore culture of respect for authority breeds situations like this, where after so much coddling people can't deal with something they find morally wrong without throwing a tantrum. You can't even launch the korean SC2 client without a friendly warnings reminding you to eat food so you don't die, courtesy of big brother. Arguably Korea needs this kind of internet accountability as they simply can't handle anything which they feel they can't control.
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I think she's had to put up with a lot of crap for a long time, ever since it was made public that her and Boxer were a couple. These recent happenings might have just been the tipping point and made her take action; make a point, if you will. It's nice to see someone who is so fiercely behind their team - but on the other hand it is kind of sad to see that things have had to go so far. I think the most we can do is offer support and kind words.
I personally think it's a bit of a over-reaction but then again I don't know how the Korean online environment is and how Korean culture is, so it's not like I have the most educated opinion.
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On July 19 2011 20:01 hippocritical wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 19:59 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 19:57 TanX wrote:
Seriously, who the fuck cares about having sexual content photoshop'd with your face on it? what difference does it make to your life? nothing at all! Ignore that shit and be a mature person.
You want to give us your photo? Let us photoshop a bit and post it around the area you live and work, because you wouldn't mind right? I thought they were posting on an message board called DCInside? If they did post photos of Eve around her home then that is definitely wrong.
So yeah you've determined where the line exists where it becomes OK and where it is unacceptable. What objective measures did you use to determine this?
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