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Good luck to slayers team!! awesome initiative to hire a progamer that happens to be female.
imo having different male and female tournaments or events on every sport is a form of segregation. why have 100m women and 100m men? why have men's soccer and women's soccer world championship? are women (or men) a second class citizen that needs a different championship?
next thing you know we will have black man's basketball and white man's basketball. it is the exact same thing and if you disagree you dont understand what segregation means.
this is a new thing, that takes society centuries back. they should stop making gender specific events, it is an insult to the society and human rights.
*ofcourse if it is a private event they got every right, but for smth sanctioned by nations or international organizations like the women's world cup taking place now it is a big mistake and imo they are spitting on the face of their citizens)
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On July 15 2011 02:40 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 02:37 lizzard_warish wrote:
This is annoying to me, honestly. Not because "damn them girls!!1!" but because shes going to be bad. I dont think an attractive youthful girl is going to be the sort of personality which sits down for fourteen hours a day practicing. She also will likely not live in the house, may even suffer from a degree of isolation in practice. Shes basically another Tossgirl; a pretty face for the team who sticks around because shes getting money for being attractive and thats about it. Worst of all, a lot of people on this site are going to think contrarily [just as they oddly do about Tossgirl] and emphatically support her and decry her every loss. So without ever seeing any game of her, you come to the conclusion that she's gonna do poorly? Nice one Shes in diamond league and is an attractive female, I think its a fair assumption to make, especially given esports history and females relation to it. I.E there terrible players and are hired as eye candy.
Theres a reason the majority of sc2 progamers are socially awkward teenagers, because often that kind of isolation and the resulting mentality is necessary to actually sit down for the entire day every day for the conceivable future, all in the vague hopes of getting good enough to go somewhere. And even that somewhere is actually extremely low pay, only the very tops make good cash in Korea.
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On July 15 2011 02:40 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 02:37 lizzard_warish wrote:
This is annoying to me, honestly. Not because "damn them girls!!1!" but because shes going to be bad. I dont think an attractive youthful girl is going to be the sort of personality which sits down for fourteen hours a day practicing. She also will likely not live in the house, may even suffer from a degree of isolation in practice. Shes basically another Tossgirl; a pretty face for the team who sticks around because shes getting money for being attractive and thats about it. Worst of all, a lot of people on this site are going to think contrarily [just as they oddly do about Tossgirl] and emphatically support her and decry her every loss. So without ever seeing any game of her, you come to the conclusion that she's gonna do poorly? Nice one
I love how one out of the ten posts he's made on TL is basically wasted on bashing a progamer he's never seen play just because she's omfg, female and therefore she must be horrible. Oh, misogyny, how refreshing.
EDIT: Oh, sorry. Two out of eleven posts.
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Part of me is like:
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On the other hand...
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On July 15 2011 02:41 brokor wrote:
Good luck to slayers team!! awesome initiative to hire a progamer that happens to be female.
imo having different male and female tournaments or events on every sport is a form of segregation. why have 100m women and 100m men? why have men's soccer and women's soccer world championship? are women (or men) a second class citizen that needs a different championship?
next thing you know we will have black man's basketball and white man's basketball. it is the exact same thing and if you disagree you dont understand what segregation means.
this is a new thing, that takes society centuries back. they should stop making gender specific events, it is an insult to the society and human rights.
*ofcourse if it is a private event they got every right, but for smth sanctioned by nations or international organizations like the women's world cup taking place now it is a big mistake and imo they are spitting on the face of their citizens)
And here we have it. The most uneducated and completely nonsensical response to a NON ISSUE we have had in this thread so far. Also, you have slept through biology because you have no understanding of the fact that men and women ARE different when it comes to physical attributes.
Men are physically stronger, that's just biology. Human rights and society have nothing to do with out biology.
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On July 15 2011 02:42 lizzard_warish wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 02:40 Linwelin wrote:On July 15 2011 02:37 lizzard_warish wrote:
This is annoying to me, honestly. Not because "damn them girls!!1!" but because shes going to be bad. I dont think an attractive youthful girl is going to be the sort of personality which sits down for fourteen hours a day practicing. She also will likely not live in the house, may even suffer from a degree of isolation in practice. Shes basically another Tossgirl; a pretty face for the team who sticks around because shes getting money for being attractive and thats about it. Worst of all, a lot of people on this site are going to think contrarily [just as they oddly do about Tossgirl] and emphatically support her and decry her every loss. So without ever seeing any game of her, you come to the conclusion that she's gonna do poorly? Nice one Shes in diamond league and is an attractive female, I think its a fair assumption to make, especially given esports history and females relation to it. I.E there terrible players and are hired as eye candy. Theres a reason the majority of sc2 progamers are socially awkward teenagers, because often that kind of isolation and the resulting mentality is necessary to actually sit down for the entire day every day for the conceivable future, all in the vague hopes of getting good enough to go somewhere. And even that somewhere is actually extremely low pay, only the very tops make good cash in Korea.
I wasn't aware that being nervous on stage in front of hundreds if not thousands of people meant they were socially awkward.
Also, as others have pointed out, there was a certain BW player that was hired as eye candy and ended up doing pretty well for himself.
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On July 15 2011 02:41 brokor wrote:
Good luck to slayers team!! awesome initiative to hire a progamer that happens to be female.
imo having different male and female tournaments or events on every sport is a form of segregation. why have 100m women and 100m men? why have men's soccer and women's soccer world championship? are women (or men) a second class citizen that needs a different championship?
next thing you know we will have black man's basketball and white man's basketball. it is the exact same thing and if you disagree you dont understand what segregation means.
this is a new thing, that takes society centuries back. they should stop making gender specific events, it is an insult to the society and human rights.
*ofcourse if it is a private event they got every right, but for smth sanctioned by nations or international organizations like the women's world cup taking place now it is a big mistake and imo they are spitting on the face of their citizens)
They hired BECAUSE she is female. She didn't happen to be female, she is a terrible player who was pick because she is sexually attractive to males.
Also the following paragraph is just disgustingly ignorant.
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On July 15 2011 02:44 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 02:40 Linwelin wrote:On July 15 2011 02:37 lizzard_warish wrote:
This is annoying to me, honestly. Not because "damn them girls!!1!" but because shes going to be bad. I dont think an attractive youthful girl is going to be the sort of personality which sits down for fourteen hours a day practicing. She also will likely not live in the house, may even suffer from a degree of isolation in practice. Shes basically another Tossgirl; a pretty face for the team who sticks around because shes getting money for being attractive and thats about it. Worst of all, a lot of people on this site are going to think contrarily [just as they oddly do about Tossgirl] and emphatically support her and decry her every loss. So without ever seeing any game of her, you come to the conclusion that she's gonna do poorly? Nice one I love how one out of the ten posts he's made on TL is basically wasted on bashing a progamer he's never seen play just because she's omfg, female and therefore she must be horrible. Oh, misogyny, how refreshing. EDIT: Oh, sorry. Two out of eleven posts. The hell does my post count have relevance? If I had an account on the site longer would my opinion magically become a valid criticism to you?
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Oh well this is just how it goes, when people suggest Tossgirl retire [she makes no money and wins no games] there called sexist as well, I dont understand the ridiculous backlash but I do expect it.
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nobody can top rapidtransits post.
ps; shes a dime, gl to slayers
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From Milkis' Twitter:
OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee
She won a female only tournament held in YMBC in Afreeca... her opponents were said to be in silver league.
This makes me sad, but I think it explains a lot. QQ
[EDIT] Also, thanks to Caliber <3
On July 15 2011 02:47 Caliber wrote:
nobody can top rapidtransits post.
ps; shes a dime, gl to slayers
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interesting move for Slayers, but I hope they are doing more than just this to break out of their slump....
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jayoshoFOUG
@SlayerSMin slayers_Eve ur girlfriend?
39 minutes ago via web in reply to SlayerSMin
Retweeted by SlayerSMin
Min wtf are you doing retweeting that >.<
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On July 15 2011 01:56 Jonas  wrote:Respect to BoxeR for hiring the first Woman progamer. Diamond league in korea is like top 50 GM in NA ^__^ Are there any girls in Grandmaster league on ANY server? I haven't heard of any
FlawlessKalu was in NA GM league Terran. Saw her on ST Rainbow's stream, it was a 40 min TvT on Shakuras. She lost when Rainbow tech switched to battlecruiser.
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Here's an idea. Let's watch her play in GSTL BEFORE judging her by making assumptions on skill level based on gender. Not even white knighting; just saving people time.
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On July 15 2011 02:49 Lennon wrote:
Here's an idea. Let's watch her play in GSTL BEFORE judging her by making assumptions on skill level based on gender. Not even white knighting; just saving people time.
She won't EVER play, so your point is pretty moot.
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Some girl join a pro gaming team and get shit on, I totally see how this game will stay male dominance for a while.
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On July 15 2011 02:39 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 02:29 kedinik wrote:
Personally, it's just lame that their new player seems to be a gold leaguer sex appeal mascot who got onto the team by hooking up with MMA.
Would be 1,000,000x cooler if she, uh, was actually any good.
Will be happy to eat my words if she's secretly a GM or whatever. First off, she's diamond, not gold. Secondly, what's the big deal about her being an MMA fan? Damn near everyone likes MMA, and I doubt he had much of any influence at all in the team's decision. Thirdly, you have zero proof that she was brought on purely for sex appeal just because cosmetics are important to Korean culture. Finally, ladder rank =/= skill. The only known account she has has only 100 games played, and she's only played one incredibly minor tournament. You can't call whether she's good or bad simply because we've never fucking seen her play.
I'm comfortable saying she's bad if she's, at best, a diamond league player. Diamond leaguers are poop on a stick compared to 3rd tier pro gamers.
And the only evidence of any kind that I've seen pins her as a gold league player famous for beating a handful of silver leaguers in a girls-only tournament.
I'm not angry that she's a girl. I'm just pointing out that as far as any evidence we can find so far leads us to believe, she is insultingly bad at this game compared to what you would expect in a pro gamer.
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I wish her well and hope she doesn't end up tossgirl ... something tells me if Boxer recruited her then she has skills.
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On July 15 2011 02:45 SolHeiM wrote:And here we have it. The most uneducated and completely nonsensical response to a NON ISSUE we have had in this thread so far. Also, you have slept through biology because you have no understanding of the fact that men and women ARE different when it comes to physical attributes.
Men are physically stronger, that's just biology. Human rights and society have nothing to do with out biology.
"men and women ARE different"
so we should separate everyone that is different is your point???
i never said women are not different from men, believe me i know.
and by different what do you mean? they got a different genome? cause i am pretty sure there are women who can break all my bones with 1 hand. am i superior to them in physical attributes? make your case instead of just sounding stupid. specify where they are different and then we can see if it is ok to segregate different people.
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Women in esports is a good thing. I hope she does well and is well received by the community and fans of sc2
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