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On July 15 2011 03:06 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 03:03 Ashworth wrote:On July 15 2011 03:02 babylon wrote:On July 15 2011 02:47 lizzard_warish wrote:On July 15 2011 02:44 babylon wrote:On July 15 2011 02:40 Linwelin wrote:On July 15 2011 02:37 lizzard_warish wrote:
This is annoying to me, honestly. Not because "damn them girls!!1!" but because shes going to be bad. I dont think an attractive youthful girl is going to be the sort of personality which sits down for fourteen hours a day practicing. She also will likely not live in the house, may even suffer from a degree of isolation in practice. Shes basically another Tossgirl; a pretty face for the team who sticks around because shes getting money for being attractive and thats about it. Worst of all, a lot of people on this site are going to think contrarily [just as they oddly do about Tossgirl] and emphatically support her and decry her every loss. So without ever seeing any game of her, you come to the conclusion that she's gonna do poorly? Nice one I love how one out of the ten posts he's made on TL is basically wasted on bashing a progamer he's never seen play just because she's omfg, female and therefore she must be horrible. Oh, misogyny, how refreshing. EDIT: Oh, sorry. Two out of eleven posts. The hell does my post count have relevance? If I had an account on the site longer would my opinion magically become a valid criticism to you? ---- Oh well this is just how it goes, when people suggest Tossgirl retire [she makes no money and wins no games] there called sexist as well, I dont understand the ridiculous backlash but I do expect it. a.) It's sad because a sizable portion of your posts are wasted on bashing someone because she is female. I don't care how long you've been on this site, sorry to say; I don't even care how many posts you make, but a decent fraction of your posts have been, in fact, filled with sexist vitriol. b.) It's sexist because you're assuming she's horrible based on the fact that she is a decently good-looking female. Her being female or good-looking has nothing to do with her skill. If you want to make a valid point about why she's bad, then say that she's, at best, a diamond-level player on the KR server, and that's clearly not progaming material. But bringing her gender into it is shit, and you know it. If this was a guy, people wouldn't be saying, "Oh, he's terrible, because he's a good-looking guy." They'd be saying, "He's only Diamond-level, but I trust Boxer to have scouted his hidden talent, and I'm sure he'll be good given some training." Do you see the double-standard at play here? What is sexist is that she has been invited to team because of her gender. That is the definition of sexism... Yes, that would be sexist, but according to Jessica she was recruited based on her skills (which don't have to do with her being female) and her looks (which also don't have anything to do with her being female, since apparently Bisu and presumably a number of other progamers were also scouted because of their looks). Do I think she was recruited with lower standards because she's female? Possibly, and that would be incredibly sexist. But I have no evidence for this, so I'm keeping my mouth shut.
Jesus christ, what is your fucking point?
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On July 15 2011 02:29 grush57 wrote:
She's only diamond in korea? Spades is gm in NA and top masters in KR. diamond doesn't equal grandmasters.
Not only that, there are girls who are master's league, kellymilkies and megumixbear to name 2.
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On July 15 2011 03:07 Ashworth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 03:06 babylon wrote:On July 15 2011 03:03 Ashworth wrote:On July 15 2011 03:02 babylon wrote:On July 15 2011 02:47 lizzard_warish wrote:On July 15 2011 02:44 babylon wrote:On July 15 2011 02:40 Linwelin wrote:On July 15 2011 02:37 lizzard_warish wrote:
This is annoying to me, honestly. Not because "damn them girls!!1!" but because shes going to be bad. I dont think an attractive youthful girl is going to be the sort of personality which sits down for fourteen hours a day practicing. She also will likely not live in the house, may even suffer from a degree of isolation in practice. Shes basically another Tossgirl; a pretty face for the team who sticks around because shes getting money for being attractive and thats about it. Worst of all, a lot of people on this site are going to think contrarily [just as they oddly do about Tossgirl] and emphatically support her and decry her every loss. So without ever seeing any game of her, you come to the conclusion that she's gonna do poorly? Nice one I love how one out of the ten posts he's made on TL is basically wasted on bashing a progamer he's never seen play just because she's omfg, female and therefore she must be horrible. Oh, misogyny, how refreshing. EDIT: Oh, sorry. Two out of eleven posts. The hell does my post count have relevance? If I had an account on the site longer would my opinion magically become a valid criticism to you? ---- Oh well this is just how it goes, when people suggest Tossgirl retire [she makes no money and wins no games] there called sexist as well, I dont understand the ridiculous backlash but I do expect it. a.) It's sad because a sizable portion of your posts are wasted on bashing someone because she is female. I don't care how long you've been on this site, sorry to say; I don't even care how many posts you make, but a decent fraction of your posts have been, in fact, filled with sexist vitriol. b.) It's sexist because you're assuming she's horrible based on the fact that she is a decently good-looking female. Her being female or good-looking has nothing to do with her skill. If you want to make a valid point about why she's bad, then say that she's, at best, a diamond-level player on the KR server, and that's clearly not progaming material. But bringing her gender into it is shit, and you know it. If this was a guy, people wouldn't be saying, "Oh, he's terrible, because he's a good-looking guy." They'd be saying, "He's only Diamond-level, but I trust Boxer to have scouted his hidden talent, and I'm sure he'll be good given some training." Do you see the double-standard at play here? What is sexist is that she has been invited to team because of her gender. That is the definition of sexism... Yes, that would be sexist, but according to Jessica she was recruited based on her skills (which don't have to do with her being female) and her looks (which also don't have anything to do with her being female, since apparently Bisu and presumably a number of other progamers were also scouted because of their looks). Do I think she was recruited with lower standards because she's female? Possibly, and that would be incredibly sexist. But I have no evidence for this, so I'm keeping my mouth shut. Jesus christ, what is your fucking point?
Reading comprehension, learn it.
Judge her based on her skills, not her gender.
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On July 15 2011 03:07 Sandro wrote:
LETS GROW ESPORTS GUYS AND MAKE IT MAINSTREAM
*alienates an entire gender and billions of people*
I hope you mean males, when you refer to an alienate an entire gender, because this girl is getting special treatment because she is female.
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On July 15 2011 02:51 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 02:49 Lennon wrote:
Here's an idea. Let's watch her play in GSTL BEFORE judging her by making assumptions on skill level based on gender. Not even white knighting; just saving people time. Not a chance. You have to form your opinions immediately based on jack shit then fight them to the death forever! It's like Highlander, but instead of swords we use ignorance.
It's not like we don't know anything, it's just that we knew very little about her skill level and what we know suggests... not good things. All we know is that she may be in gold league and was picked up after winning an amateur women's tournament and that pretty sums up what we know about the "skill" that Slayers_Jessica picked her up for, the other aspect being her "looks" which I don't much care to get into.
Even if you removed gender from the equation and this was an announcement about a team picking up a new player who happened to be in Gold league and just won an amateur tournament against people in silver, then you'd likely have a similar collective response of, "Huh? Why the fuck would they get picked up for that?". Since it happens to be a girl, the "Huh?" is replaced with "Oh, she got picked up because she was a girl, she's likely going to suck" which you could certainly say is a sexism assumption, but I think the first part is fairly apt, I do think it's obvious that she was picked up because she's a girl with decent looks and based on our knowledge of her skill level, it's likely that she's not that great right now.
I'm less interested in the now and more interested in seeing if she'll actually put in the hours with the rest of the team and end up becoming an asset as a player or end up simply sitting on the bench as a mascot.
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Scouted her based on LOOKS and skills. lol
I'm curious to see how good she is.
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On July 15 2011 03:08 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 03:07 Ashworth wrote:On July 15 2011 03:06 babylon wrote:On July 15 2011 03:03 Ashworth wrote:On July 15 2011 03:02 babylon wrote:On July 15 2011 02:47 lizzard_warish wrote:On July 15 2011 02:44 babylon wrote:On July 15 2011 02:40 Linwelin wrote:On July 15 2011 02:37 lizzard_warish wrote:
This is annoying to me, honestly. Not because "damn them girls!!1!" but because shes going to be bad. I dont think an attractive youthful girl is going to be the sort of personality which sits down for fourteen hours a day practicing. She also will likely not live in the house, may even suffer from a degree of isolation in practice. Shes basically another Tossgirl; a pretty face for the team who sticks around because shes getting money for being attractive and thats about it. Worst of all, a lot of people on this site are going to think contrarily [just as they oddly do about Tossgirl] and emphatically support her and decry her every loss. So without ever seeing any game of her, you come to the conclusion that she's gonna do poorly? Nice one I love how one out of the ten posts he's made on TL is basically wasted on bashing a progamer he's never seen play just because she's omfg, female and therefore she must be horrible. Oh, misogyny, how refreshing. EDIT: Oh, sorry. Two out of eleven posts. The hell does my post count have relevance? If I had an account on the site longer would my opinion magically become a valid criticism to you? ---- Oh well this is just how it goes, when people suggest Tossgirl retire [she makes no money and wins no games] there called sexist as well, I dont understand the ridiculous backlash but I do expect it. a.) It's sad because a sizable portion of your posts are wasted on bashing someone because she is female. I don't care how long you've been on this site, sorry to say; I don't even care how many posts you make, but a decent fraction of your posts have been, in fact, filled with sexist vitriol. b.) It's sexist because you're assuming she's horrible based on the fact that she is a decently good-looking female. Her being female or good-looking has nothing to do with her skill. If you want to make a valid point about why she's bad, then say that she's, at best, a diamond-level player on the KR server, and that's clearly not progaming material. But bringing her gender into it is shit, and you know it. If this was a guy, people wouldn't be saying, "Oh, he's terrible, because he's a good-looking guy." They'd be saying, "He's only Diamond-level, but I trust Boxer to have scouted his hidden talent, and I'm sure he'll be good given some training." Do you see the double-standard at play here? What is sexist is that she has been invited to team because of her gender. That is the definition of sexism... Yes, that would be sexist, but according to Jessica she was recruited based on her skills (which don't have to do with her being female) and her looks (which also don't have anything to do with her being female, since apparently Bisu and presumably a number of other progamers were also scouted because of their looks). Do I think she was recruited with lower standards because she's female? Possibly, and that would be incredibly sexist. But I have no evidence for this, so I'm keeping my mouth shut. Jesus christ, what is your fucking point? Reading comprehension, learn it. Judge her based on her skills, not her gender.
She is a diamond level player that won a tournament against silver level players. I judge her skills as horrible, absolutely terrible. She is on one of the top korean teams because she is female.
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This will be interesting if nothing else.
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On July 15 2011 02:47 lizzard_warish wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 15 2011 02:44 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 02:40 Linwelin wrote:On July 15 2011 02:37 lizzard_warish wrote:
This is annoying to me, honestly. Not because "damn them girls!!1!" but because shes going to be bad. I dont think an attractive youthful girl is going to be the sort of personality which sits down for fourteen hours a day practicing. She also will likely not live in the house, may even suffer from a degree of isolation in practice. Shes basically another Tossgirl; a pretty face for the team who sticks around because shes getting money for being attractive and thats about it. Worst of all, a lot of people on this site are going to think contrarily [just as they oddly do about Tossgirl] and emphatically support her and decry her every loss. So without ever seeing any game of her, you come to the conclusion that she's gonna do poorly? Nice one I love how one out of the ten posts he's made on TL is basically wasted on bashing a progamer he's never seen play just because she's omfg, female and therefore she must be horrible. Oh, misogyny, how refreshing. EDIT: Oh, sorry. Two out of eleven posts. The hell does my post count have relevance? If I had an account on the site longer would my opinion magically become a valid criticism to you? (...)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883#cmd06
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On July 14 2011 23:01 KentHenry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 22:58 Novalisk wrote:On July 14 2011 22:55 KentHenry wrote:On July 14 2011 22:50 Olinim wrote:On July 14 2011 22:49 KentHenry wrote:On July 14 2011 22:37 Olinim wrote:On July 14 2011 22:36 KentHenry wrote:
All I'm going to say is that men will always be superior to women at things they do, for example sports. I'm not saying women don't contribute anything to society, it's just that men tend to be more athletic and superior at almost everything. Good luck to her though, Eve fighting!!!
On a side note: I hope she pwns Idra, Destiny and any other cocky player. I ♥ Idra, even though he's cocky. ^^ ...Why so sexist? Just being honest. lol Well you are honestly stupid I'll grant you that. U mad??? Tossgirl didn't really do to well in Brood War, it's not common for girls to do well e sports. Also there's no need to insult me... There's no need for you to insult an entire gender based on the performance of a small percentage who tried. I wasn't insulting the female gender, I know women have contributed a lot when it comes to real life, such as calculus, medicine, science and house-hold products we use today. I was just stating that men are superior. ¯\ _(ツ) _/¯
You, sir, qualify for being a scumbag. No offense, just sayin'.
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a female progamer in Diamond league? hm... It's OK for me.
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Women invented Calculus and men are superior to women? First off, what's the argument there? Second off, both those things are completely fucking wrong.
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Again, nobody confirmed her being diamond, just some random guy in this thread who said "koreans are saying she is diamond" without even posting evidence.
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On July 15 2011 03:09 Ashworth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 03:07 Sandro wrote:
LETS GROW ESPORTS GUYS AND MAKE IT MAINSTREAM
*alienates an entire gender and billions of people* I hope you mean males, when you refer to an alienate an entire gender, because this girl is getting special treatment because she is female.
How is this hurting males in anyway? Do you think she took the spot of some other male pro gamer? Well tough fucking luck.
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On July 15 2011 03:12 namedplayer wrote:
a female progamer in Diamond league? hm... It's OK for me.
Why? If you want to masturbate, there is plenty of free porn sites on the internet. Why would this be ok for you?
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On July 15 2011 03:13 Sandro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 03:09 Ashworth wrote:On July 15 2011 03:07 Sandro wrote:
LETS GROW ESPORTS GUYS AND MAKE IT MAINSTREAM
*alienates an entire gender and billions of people* I hope you mean males, when you refer to an alienate an entire gender, because this girl is getting special treatment because she is female. How is this hurting males in anyway? Do you think she took the spot of some other male pro gamer? Well tough fucking luck.
It's not hurting males, it's not hurting females either. It's just undermining the scene by saying that the majority of the audience are brain-dead idiots who just want to look at a pair of tits.
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On July 15 2011 03:10 Ashworth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 03:08 babylon wrote:On July 15 2011 03:07 Ashworth wrote:On July 15 2011 03:06 babylon wrote:On July 15 2011 03:03 Ashworth wrote:On July 15 2011 03:02 babylon wrote:On July 15 2011 02:47 lizzard_warish wrote:On July 15 2011 02:44 babylon wrote:On July 15 2011 02:40 Linwelin wrote:On July 15 2011 02:37 lizzard_warish wrote:
This is annoying to me, honestly. Not because "damn them girls!!1!" but because shes going to be bad. I dont think an attractive youthful girl is going to be the sort of personality which sits down for fourteen hours a day practicing. She also will likely not live in the house, may even suffer from a degree of isolation in practice. Shes basically another Tossgirl; a pretty face for the team who sticks around because shes getting money for being attractive and thats about it. Worst of all, a lot of people on this site are going to think contrarily [just as they oddly do about Tossgirl] and emphatically support her and decry her every loss. So without ever seeing any game of her, you come to the conclusion that she's gonna do poorly? Nice one I love how one out of the ten posts he's made on TL is basically wasted on bashing a progamer he's never seen play just because she's omfg, female and therefore she must be horrible. Oh, misogyny, how refreshing. EDIT: Oh, sorry. Two out of eleven posts. The hell does my post count have relevance? If I had an account on the site longer would my opinion magically become a valid criticism to you? ---- Oh well this is just how it goes, when people suggest Tossgirl retire [she makes no money and wins no games] there called sexist as well, I dont understand the ridiculous backlash but I do expect it. a.) It's sad because a sizable portion of your posts are wasted on bashing someone because she is female. I don't care how long you've been on this site, sorry to say; I don't even care how many posts you make, but a decent fraction of your posts have been, in fact, filled with sexist vitriol. b.) It's sexist because you're assuming she's horrible based on the fact that she is a decently good-looking female. Her being female or good-looking has nothing to do with her skill. If you want to make a valid point about why she's bad, then say that she's, at best, a diamond-level player on the KR server, and that's clearly not progaming material. But bringing her gender into it is shit, and you know it. If this was a guy, people wouldn't be saying, "Oh, he's terrible, because he's a good-looking guy." They'd be saying, "He's only Diamond-level, but I trust Boxer to have scouted his hidden talent, and I'm sure he'll be good given some training." Do you see the double-standard at play here? What is sexist is that she has been invited to team because of her gender. That is the definition of sexism... Yes, that would be sexist, but according to Jessica she was recruited based on her skills (which don't have to do with her being female) and her looks (which also don't have anything to do with her being female, since apparently Bisu and presumably a number of other progamers were also scouted because of their looks). Do I think she was recruited with lower standards because she's female? Possibly, and that would be incredibly sexist. But I have no evidence for this, so I'm keeping my mouth shut. Jesus christ, what is your fucking point? Reading comprehension, learn it. Judge her based on her skills, not her gender. She is a diamond level player that won a tournament against silver level players. I judge her skills as horrible, absolutely terrible. She is on one of the top korean teams because she is female.
Bolded = I agree.
Italicized = I somewhat agree, but because I don't have evidence, I'm not going to rag on about it.
She has five weeks to clean her act up before she can play in the GSTL (since that's when the roster changes). I will withhold any serious judgment until then, and I hope she trains well and has a good showing. That is all.
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Even if she's meh for pro-gamer standards I think this is good, if she's worse than me than this is just stupid.
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On July 15 2011 03:14 Ashworth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 03:13 Sandro wrote:On July 15 2011 03:09 Ashworth wrote:On July 15 2011 03:07 Sandro wrote:
LETS GROW ESPORTS GUYS AND MAKE IT MAINSTREAM
*alienates an entire gender and billions of people* I hope you mean males, when you refer to an alienate an entire gender, because this girl is getting special treatment because she is female. How is this hurting males in anyway? Do you think she took the spot of some other male pro gamer? Well tough fucking luck. It's not hurting males, it's not hurting females either. It's just undermining the scene by saying that the majority of the audience are brain-dead idiots who just want to look at a pair of tits.
No, what the scene is full of is brain-dead idiots who kneejerkingly shit on any female who decides to participate in anyway, be it a commentator, interviewer or a player.
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